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about things like health savings accounts and we look forward to presenting more details to the american public soon. >> dickerson: i want to ask you about raids to bring in people that have broken the law, criminals, and also in those raids there have been some people whose only breaking of the law is being here illegally when the president was asked about this recently in an interview, he said about those who are here illegally and that's the only law they have broken they shouldn't be very worried. i do have a big heart, we are going to take care of everybody. where you have great people here that have done a good job, they should feel far less worried, that was in an interview with abc, so should people feel less worried still? >> well, there is, is there a specific case you are referring to? >> dickerson: just in general the president said you should feel less worried. >> whe when you are talkable abt particular deportation cases that you feel -- >> there has been an up tick in activity. >> the cases i am familiar with, the reason i ask that have to do with removing criminal aliens, individuals who have criminal charges or convictions against
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them and that's what has been taking place all across the country, and the effect of that is going to be saving many american lives, american property and american safety. >> dickerson: but in terms of -- but people who are -- who have not committed any crime other than being here illegally should still feel less worried? that is still in operation? >> it is not for me to tell people how to feel or not to feel. we are in the process of removing criminal aliens from the country and enforcing immigration laws and keeping the public safe and the bottom line is this. in the calculation between open borders and saving american lives it is easiest choice we will ever have to make. >> dickerson: all right. we will have to leave it there. steven miller thanks so much for being with us and we will be right back. >> once only in doctors' offices. for deep penetrating relief at the source. aleve direct therapy.
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nordstrom -- [ cheers and applause ] and okay. and this nordstrom loss, because these are high, high quality products, in fact, i am wearing one of her bankables right now, it is beautiful, it is chimmering and $9 '99 and unbelievably affordable. okay? and don't even get me started on her shoes. because these babies, a real head turner. >> dickerson: and that was actress melissa mccarthy playing the role of white house press secretary sean spicer on last
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night's saturday night live spoofing one of the many stories this week in washington that of kellyanne conway promoting of ivanka trump's fashion line on television so to talk about that and just a few other things now, susan page of, she is the washington bureau chief of u.s. a today, peter baker is the white house correspondent for "the new york times". rio de janeiro is the executive editor of, reihan salam is the executive editor of the "national review" and ron brownstein from atlantic media. we are seeing they lisa mccarthy's flexibility. >> dickerson: peter, let me start with you, mr. miller suggested everything is going fine, perfect, not just that but an understatement to say that this has been super productive, so five us your assessment of the way things now stand at the white house after this very busy several weeks. >> the thing, the under control, if what you want is control then that is true. we are talking about different realities here. the reality for a lot of americans who do support
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president trump is that things are going well. they do want him to take on illegal immigration and the borders and terrorisms and so forth and they see an establishment standing against him, he needs to battle against it is not enough to be polite, you have to go to war with them. but for the rest of washington, including the republicans like jeff flake like who came on earlier this is a real problem and a they don't see a white house that seems to have a ship heading in a clear direction. >> dickerson: susan we are used to getting spin on sunday mornings and so steven miller was in one sense doing what they are supposed to do, talk about how well everything is doing but what i hear on the hill and do you hear the same thing which is they need to see some signal that they get it inside of the white house of where things have gone poorly and where they have gone well. is that a risk for them if they are just saying everything is great, that they are not in touch with maybe some of the worries their allies have. >> we heard them say to you there have been more accomplishments from president trump in the first three weeks
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than in an entire tenure, i think it is an extraordinary same, it is true president trump had a lot of active. one thing we have seen happen mostly in the last week he is now colliding with the constraints of his office. presidency has a lot of power, but it is one with both constitutional constraints, like the oversight of the courts, you saw steve miller say the courts are not extreme, actually when it comes to an executive order is constitutional and whether it can be stayed the courts role will be supreme on that kind of decision and in running into the realities of things like foreign capitals, like for instance in this past week the president acknowledged that he believed in the support o of the one china policy, that sat change on his part and it reflects the bower of foreign capitals t to reflect what a president can and cannot say. i think the question for some congressional republicans and others is, are they learning a, this is a learning curve where they will learn some of these 11 and operate in a more skill manner in this new kind of leadership role. >> dickerson: i will get back to china a naah moment but obviously that gets into north
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korea as senator schumer said. what is your assessment of the activist trump presidency as it hits the constraints of the office that are natural? >> well one of the funny things you see under any president is that public opinion often moves in the opposite direction of a president, so for example, under barack obama suddenly the public moved no the right on a number of different issues but donald trump has had saturation coverage for a very long time, and it seems the net effect on public opinion, on some of this core issues has actually been to move the public in the opposite direction from him. so for example, if you look at opinion on immigration policy, the public was actually closer to mitt romney's position than baron's position. if you look at the past year and a half, as donald trump has moved very visible talking about immigration, actually opinion on immigration has moved in the opposite direction towards a more generous stance on unauthorized immigrants and the like. so the thing is that if i am stephen miller or donald dond trump i need to think
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strategically how do you change the dynamic and how do you grow? donald trump frankly is pretty constrained coalition and the problem is that he has been doing things that are the opposite of what you would want to do. if you are a disciplined political operation, what you would go is you would deny sympathetic plaintiffs to your opponent, if there is a perception that you are not entire he competent, what you to is move very slowly and cautiously to demonstrate in the early phases of your administration, no, i am reassuring you. i am showing you a different side of my personal that you did not see during the campaign and then you move systematically to expand your agenda, to become more ambitious overtime. so donald trump has done the opposite of that, and that is going to be a problem if you believe in the kind of trump miller agenda of doing something that is actually quite distinct from prior republican candidates. there is no question that movement since he has been in office has been to accentuate what we saw in the campaign. we, in the 2016 campaign what he did is it accelerated and intensified all
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of the divides that have been building focus the past two decades in american politics, the class divides, the racial divides, the generational divides, and as president trump moved that even more forward, you look at his numbers as he has been president and it is true a lot of people are excited what about he is doing and like his idea of coming to washington and breaking all of the windows in the capitol but he is facing more resistant in pane than any president ever, a public approval rating of 50 percent in gallup eight days into his presidency, that is kind of a long-term measure of, this it took 600 days for president obama to reach 50 percent disapproval, ronald reagan -- w. bush, 1,200 days into their presidency, so we are in a very different situation where, yes, there is an excited pool of what he is doing but facing more mobilized resistance and while that may not have much influence on him or even congressional republicans it is unquestionably changed the way congressional democrats are reacting to his presidency as you saw in an
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interview with chuck schumer he doesn't have the maneuverability to work here and fight here he is facing unrelenting pressure from a democratic base, where the trump approval is over 80 percent, like, to have a much more forceful resistance, in fact donald trump did more to galvanize the opposition to him than galvanize the support for him and still has a core support that is probably below the 46 participant level that he got in the election, but he has done enormous benefits and created some risks for democrats in getting them united, and it ginned up so much that it is hard fortuning schumer, move into the areas we can, for, chuck schumer, you do not hear that a kind of talk from chuck schumer. >> dickerson: the democrats will penalize the democratic base, the democratic base will punish them for normalizing donald trump. what do you think the president is going to do on the executive order? we don't know. all options are open, but what
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is the wise course in your view? >> well, the difficult thing is that a lot of the real challenge is relating to green card holders. the executive order that is being, you know, fought over right now department actually make it clear that green card holders are not a part of this, and if you have another executive action that explicitly takes them out of it then you could have a smoother ride in the courts. as to what the wisest course of action, i do think that is starting anew would be the best way to go, beach i even if grew to supreme court if you have eight supreme court it is kicked back no the circuit court, so i actually do think they are on pretty strong ground. the problem is, do you just evaluate this executive order within the four corners of the executive order itself or do you take into account statements made by various political advisors, people like rude difficult giuliani and what have you to say the intent of this was something entirely different? and, you know, that is really up to the courts. so my sense is that starting afresh and also
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having a larger messaging around it that shows that this is limited and specific would be very helpful. >> dickerson: that goes back to that question of having a strategic approach. peter let me ask you a question about national security advisor michael flynn. explain what has happened with him and his negotiations or nonnegotiations with the russian ambassador before the election. >> >> dickerson: before the inauguration. >> before the inauguration when thethey were not yet in power, michael flynn who is now the national security vis sorry had discussions with the russian ambassador and the question is did they talk about sanctions? and michael flynn initially said no we didn't talk about that but now we have seen reports in the "washington post" that he did and michael flynn backed off and saying well he doesn't necessarily remember it is not what a he recalls. the important part is he told vice president mike pence that and mike pence went out and basically defended him and, on "face the nation", what will -- >> so now he is hanging out there and we saw -- in the past
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administration when scott mcclelland defended karl rove that was a permanent fissure in the white house over that moment and can michael flynn sur survie does he have the credibility and trust of the president and the disrespect of the united states and a lot of talk this weekend about he is in a precarious position. >> there is significant obviously the national security advisor, i think it is significant it clearly signals the broader investigation is the context between the trump campaign and russian sources is ongoing. i mean, the most important point in the story last week in the "washington post" was nine, nine former intelligence officials confirming this account, and. >> that the contact took place about sanctions. >> and there had been reports now this week by cnn and i believe cbs as well that some aspects of the dossier, not necessarily the most explosive aspects of the dossier assembled on candidate trump have been
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verified by u.s. intelligence, so all of that sort of suggests that while all of these other explosions are going on, all of these -- in the background, this investigation is kind of marching on and there are people engaged in the investigation who want to have parts of it out in the public, perhaps -- >> dickerson: we will have to take a short break there but a lot more to talk about so we will be back. stay with us. >> ,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,
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>> dickerson: and we are back with more from our politics panel, susan i want to pick up with you with michael flynn. the challenge for him because of the key role he plays in dictating foreign policy for president trump. >> no question. and one problem with his defense whether he discussed sanctions with the russian official is that even the defense is not much of a defense, either he talked about it and lied about it or he doesn't remember talking about it which is also i think not the actual strongest defense you can make. in addition, there were questions raised about his role as national security advisor last night when donald trump came out with the japanese prime minister to talk about north korea and then didn't say the words north korea, all he said is we stand 100 percent behind our friends in japan. that is one role of a national security advisor to be insured to give the president the words he needs to say in a crucial situation
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like that. >> dickerson: hugely condemn north korea. >> at least say the words north korea. >> dickerson: peter, do you see, just add on to whatever you were about to say, senator schumer talked about china. >> yes. >> and this week the president reaffirmed the one china policy, a bit of a climb down from the signals being sent early in the administration they were going to talk about taiwan or be a little bit tougher on china. what did you make of that? is there a north korean connection there or -- >> well there is and i think you are seeing a rather striking set of developments in the last week or so in which he is kind of tempering his foreign policy. he is being bellicose and you would expect a tweet this morning about north korea, i can't you are on notice, stop that. you would expect to that, he did have a call with china, he said to an israeli paper he said settlements are not helpful and he didn't say he is actually going to move the embassy to jerusalem help. he hasn't yet lifted sanctions on russia. there are a number of signs, and as you point out, rex tillerson told the secretary of state told
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the eu they are going to leave the "rap deal for a moment in place so there are signs on foreign policy there are shifts and evolutions and in fact it is kind of tempering his normal instincts. >> dickerson:. >> but israel one thing that is worthy of note, for netanyahu, this week, his domestic political situation is such he has used the united states in order to make the domestic case to the settler movement, hey, guys, i can't be completely with you because the united states is holding me back so donald trump now you could argue is, in fact, working closely with netanyahu by providing that countervailing pressure. you could see this across the variety of other domains as well. it seeps as though with, what donald trump is trying to do is something similar to let's say the nixon doctrine, the idea we are not always going to be out front but stand behind our ally japan -- we are going to empathize the partnership and that is still compatible with what he said in the campaign, but we are going to have a different kind of relationship in which we are going to share the burden, so we are going to be a cooperative, constructive partner, but you cannot expect
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us to bear the entire burden which i think is -- >> dickerson: in the campaign, he seemed to believe in the idea of kind of regional strong men as it were and the idea of the overarching u.s. guarantee being the underpin okay the international system is what he was moving back from. >> now quickly we have about two minutes left, on the affordable care act and the replacement from it, donald trump did say he would have a replacement. it is taking a hot longer for everybody. what is behind that? >> , you know, in the campaign he promised to immediately repeal and replace it. it is taking much longer. i think is this is another sign of the reality of washington politics imposing itself. it is not so easy. congressional republicans are divided on what to replace it with and a lot of republicans, especially in the senate are really nervous about the idea of repealing it and delaying the repeal before you tell people what you are going to replace it with, and the big protests you are seeing at congressional town hauls is a sign of that. >> i believe it is a more fundamental problem is that the republican alternatives to the obamacare would lower costs for
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younger and healthier people who mostly vote democratic at the price of raising costs and diminishing access for older people with greater health, who mostly vote republican. go through the ideas, interstate sale of insurance, health safely accounts, repealing the individual mandate repealing the individual mandate, all of these may mean less costs for young people who have been asked under obamacare to buy more insurance than they want to reduce the price for older people and now if you unwind that, essentially, you have the risk that at a time when a majority of trump's votes came from whites over 45, when 60 percent of the republicans represent districts older than the national average that is the group, 45 to 65 working age adults right before medicare are the biggest losers potentially in a republican remains and they are the core of the republican coalition. >> dickerson: 20 seconds left. >> the obamacare election was in 2012, that's when this went into place and that permanently changed the politics, ron johnson, the pea father senator there wisconsin first selected in 2010 staunchly anti-obama --
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reelected this time now says we want to fix obamacare and it is an over simplification to say we will repeal and replace. the politics are permanently different and you could, i believe, get a deal with senate democrats the question is will donald trump push in that direction. >> noncollege white sox are the principal benefits -- >> dickerson: that's it. we will have to end there. thanks to all of you for joining us and we will be right back.
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>> dickerson: that is it for us today. until next week, i am john dickerson. ,,,,,,,,,,
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scientists foe 'tissed th't noticed the annual migration of swans has taken a dive. jonathan vigliotti reports. >> reporter: europe's majestic swans have an unlikely new co-pilot. 41-year-old sasha dench with the help of a motorized paraglider, is enjoying their seasonal migration south. it's a 4,000 mile journey that begins in russia's arctic north and ends all the way in england. the mechanical wings are part of an effort to save the endangered species from the growing threat before.
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hundreds are illegally shot out of the sky each year. we spoke with sasha via skype during the first leg of her expedition in the russian tundra. >> did it ever occur to carry out this research on foot or a car? >> it's not possible. >> reporter: and it's those reindeer breeders with fishermen and farmers she's come this way to meet, to speak with and share the story of the swan's decline. >> i'm able to tell them all the data where we know the swans are declining and they're really interested in that. >> reporter: at 35 miles an hour, sasha can fly just as fast as her feathered subjects. but at that rate, the trip will take three months. when the birds rest, so does she, often stays with locals. >> i have to sleep on reindeer skins, and i woke up with a
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massive, puffy face. >> reporter: if her flight sounds familiar, that's because it is. in the 1996 movie "fly away home" inspired by a true story, a young lady takes to the sky to save an abandoned flock of geese. dench's flight is not based on the movie, but in is way she is the mother goose. >> this is just a conservation problem we're causing and we can ex it. if you share the right information with the right people and ask the right questions, we have a really good chance of solving it. >> reporter: it's a mandate problem one woman is taking to the skies to end. jonathan vigliotti, london. that's the "overnight news" for this monday. for some of you the news continues. for others, check back with us a little later for the morning news and "overnight news." from the broadcast center in new
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york city, i'm elaine quijano. captioning funded by cbs captioning funded by cbs it's monday, february 13th, 2017. this is the "cbs morning news." breaking overnight, california officials urge more than 180,000 people to evacuate as water from a damaged dam could creep closer to their homes. this morning a break in flow could be good news for inspectors. ♪ so hello from the other side ♪ and, hello, adele. it was a big night for the brits


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