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captioning funded by cbs and ford. we go further, so you can. >> how do we know you're telling the truth? >> because i have no reason to lie. you know, i'm not getting paid to be here. >> and you had sex with him. >> yes. >> this is porn star stormy daniels' only television interview about her alleged relationship with president trump. what makes this more than just a tabloid scandal involving sex and threats? before the election, daniels was paid hush money by mr. trump's lawyer, and as you'll hear, that may have legal and political implications for the president. the president watches "60 minutes." he's watching tonight, what would you say to him? >> he knows i'm telling the truth. >> last month, madison square garden. bucks versus the knicks.
a stolen pass, a fast break. watch giannis on the right. it was so quick, most people missed what actually happened. you have to slow it down and watch carefully to notice that the greek freak leapt right over a flabbergasted six-foot-six- inch defender, while catching the ball and stuffing it through the hoop. >> giannis antetokounmpo! >> the unpronounceable has become the unstoppable. >> i'm steve kroft. >> i'm lesley stahl. >> i'm scott pelley. >> i'm anderson cooper. >> i'm bill whitaker. those stories, tonight, on "60 minutes."
>> cooper: a week and a half before the 2016 election, donald trump's personal attorney paid a porn star named stormy daniels to keep quiet about her alleged relationship with the republican candidate for president. today, that arrangement is well on its way to becoming the most talked-about "hush agreement" in history, with potential legal
and political implications for the president. through his spokesman, mr. trump has denied having an affair with stormy daniels, and his lawyers are now threatening her with financial ruin, saying she has to pay one million dollars every time she violates her agreement to stay silent. but that didn't stop her from coming on "60 minutes." for sitting here talking to me today you could be fined a million dollars i mean aren't you taking a big risk? >> stormy daniels: i am. >> cooper: i guess i'm not 100% sure on why you're doing this. >> daniels: because it was very important to me to be able to defend myself. >> cooper: is part of talking wanting to set the record straight? >> daniels: 100%. >> cooper: why does the record need to be set straight? >> daniels: because people are just saying whatever they wanted to say about me, i was perfectly fine saying nothing at all, but i'm not okay with being made out to be a liar, or people thinking that i did this for money and people are like, "oh, you're an opportunist. you're taking advantage of this. yes, i'm getting more job offers
now, but tell me one person who would turn down a job offer making more than they've been making, doing the same thing that they've always done? >> cooper: a lot of people are using you for a lot of different agendas. >> daniels: they're trying to. like, oh, you know, stormy daniels comes out #metoo. this is not a "me too." i was not a victim. i've never said i was a victim. i think trying to use me to further someone else's agenda, does horrible damage to people who are true victims. >> cooper: stormy daniels' real name is stephanie clifford. she's 39 years old, from baton rouge louisiana, and has been acting in, directing in, and writing adult films for nearly twenty years. she was one of the most popular actresses in the adult industry when she was introduced to mr. trump at a celebrity golf tournament in lake tahoe in july, 2006. she says he invited her to dinner, and she met him at his hotel suite. how was the conversation? >> daniels: ummm ( laugh ) it
started off-- all about him just talking about himself. and he's like-- "have you seen my new magazine? >> cooper: he was showing you his own picture on the cover a magazine. >> daniels: right, right. and so i was like, "does this-- does this normally work for you?" and he looked very taken-- taken back, like, he didn't really understand what i was saying. like, i was-- does, just, you know, talking about yourself normally work?" and i was like, "someone should take that magazine and spank you with it." ( laughs ) and i'll never forget the look on his face. he was like- >> cooper: what-- what was his look? >> daniels: just, i don't think anyone's ever spoken to him like that, especially, you know, a young woman who looked like me. and i said, you know, "give me that," and i just remember him going, "you wouldn't." "hand it over." and-- so he did, and i was like, "turn around, drop 'em." >> cooper: you-- you told donald trump to turn around and take off his pants. >> daniels: yes. >> cooper: and did he? >> daniels: yes. so he turned around and pulled his pants down a little-- you know had underwear on and stuff and i just gave him a couple swats. >> cooper: this was done in a joking manner. >> daniels: yes. and, from that moment on, he was
a completely different person. >> cooper: how so? >> daniels: he quit talking about himself and he asked me things and i asked him things and it just became like more appropriate. >> cooper: it became more comfortable. >> daniels: yeah. he was like, "wow, you-- you are special. you remind me of my daughter." you know-- he was like, "you're smart and beautiful, and a woman to be reckoned with, and i like you. i like you." >> cooper: at this point was he doing "the apprentice"? >> daniels: yes. and he goes, "got an idea, honeybunch." "would you ever consider going on and being a contestant?" and i laughed and i said nbc's never gonna let, you know, an adult film star be on." it's, you know, he goes, "no, no," he goes, "that's why i want you." "you're going to shock a lot of people, you're smart and they won't know what to expect." >> cooper: did you think he was serious, or did you think he was kind of dangling to get you to want to be involved him? >> daniels: both.
>> cooper: melania trump had recently given birth to-- to a son, just a few months before. did that-- did he mention his wife or child at all in this? >> daniels: i asked. and he brushed it aside, said, "oh yeah, yeah, you know, don't worry about that. we don't even-- we have separate rooms and stuff." >> cooper: did you two go out for dinner that night? >> daniels: no. >> cooper: you had dinner in the room? >> daniels: yes. >> cooper: what happened next? >> daniels: i asked him if i could use his restroom and he said, "yes, you know, it's through those-- through the bedroom, you'll see it." so i-- i excused myself and i went to the-- the restroom. you know, i was in there for a little bit and came out and he was sitting, you know, on the edge of the bed when i walked out-- perched. >> cooper: and when you saw that, what went through your mind? >> daniels: i realized exactly what i'd gotten myself into. and i was like, "ugh, here we go." and i just felt like maybe-- ( laughs ) it was sort of-- i had it coming for making a bad decision for going to someone's room alone and i just heard the voice in my head, "well, you put yourself in a bad situation and bad things happen, so you deserve this." >> cooper: and you had sex with him. >> daniels: yes. >> cooper: you were 27, he was 60. were you physically attracted to him? >> daniels: no. >> cooper: not at all? >> daniels: no.
>> cooper: did you want to have sex with him? >> daniels: no. but i didn't-- i didn't say, "no." i'm not a victim, i'm not- >> cooper: it was entirely consensual? >> daniels: oh, yes, yes. >> cooper: you work in an industry where condom use is-- is an issue. did-- did he use a condom? >> daniels: no. >> cooper: did you ask him to? >> daniels: no. i honestly didn't say anything. >> cooper: after you had sex, what happened? >> daniels: he said that it was great, he had-- a great evening, and it was nothing like he expected, that i really surprised him, that a lot of people must underestimate me-- that he hoped that i would be willing to see him again and that we would discuss the things we had talked about earlier in the evening. >> cooper: being on the apprentice. >> daniels: right. >> cooper: daniels says she and mr. trump stayed in touch. she says he invited her to a trump vodka launch party in california, as well as to his office in trump tower in new york. so he definitely wanted to continue to see you. >> daniels: oh, for sure. yes. and this was not a secret. he never asked me not to tell anyone. he called several times when i
was in front of many people and i would be like, "oh my god, he's calling." they were like, "shut up, the donald?" and i'd put him on speakerphone, and he wanted to know what i was up to and "when can we get together again? i just wanted to give you a quick update, we had a meeting, it went great. there's-- it's gonna be spectacular, they're totally into the idea," and i was like mhmm that part i never believed. >> cooper: did you still get the sense that he was kind of dangling it in front of you- >> daniels: oh, for sure, oh yeah. >> cooper: to keep you interested, to keep you coming back. >> daniels: of course, of course. i mean, i'm not blind, but at the same time, maybe it'll work out, you know? >> cooper: did you view it as this as a potential opportunity. i'm going to see where it goes? >> daniels: i thought of it as a business deal. >> cooper: in july 2007, a year after they met, daniels says mr. trump asked to meet with her privately at his bungalow at the beverly hills hotel in los angeles to discuss a development regarding her possible appearance on "celebrity apprentice." >> daniels: i remember arriving, and he was watching "shark week." he made me sit and watch an entire documentary about shark
attacks. >> cooper: it wasn't at that point a business meeting, it was just watching "shark week." >> daniels: yeah. >> cooper: did you have sex with him again? >> daniels: no. >> cooper: did he want to? >> daniels: yes. >> cooper: how do you know he wanted to? >> daniels: because he came and sat next to me and, you know, touched my hair, and put his hand on my leg, and referenced back to how great it was the last time. >> cooper: how did you get out of it? >> daniels: well, i'd been there for, like, four hours. and so i then was like, "well, before, you know, can we talk about what's the development?" and he was like, "i'm almost there. i'll have an answer for you next week." and i was like, "okay, cool. well-- i guess call me next week." and i just took my purse and left. >> cooper: according to daniels, mr. trump called her the following month to say he'd not been able to get her a spot on "celebrity apprentice." she says they never met again and only had sex in that first meeting in 2006. in may 2011, daniels agreed to tell her story to a sister publication of "in touch"
magazine for $15,000. two former employees of the magazine told us the story never ran because after the magazine called mr. trump seeking comment, his attorney michael cohen threatened to sue. daniels says she was never paid, and says a few weeks later, she was threatened by a man who approached her in las vegas. >> daniels: i was in a parking lot, going to a fitness class with my infant daughter. taking, you know, the seats facing backwards in the backseat, diaper bag, you know, getting all the stuff out. and a guy walked up on me and said to me, "leave trump alone. forget the story." and then he leaned around and looked at my daughter and said, "that's a beautiful little girl. it'd be a shame if something happened to her mom." and then he was gone. >> cooper: you took it as a direct threat? >> daniels: absolutely. i was rattled. i remember going into the workout class. and my hands are shaking so much, i was afraid i was going to drop her. >> cooper: did you ever see that person again? >> daniels: no. but i-- if i did, i would know it right away. >> cooper: you'd be able to--
you'd be able to recognize that person? >> daniels: 100%. even now, all these years later. if he walked in this door right now, i would instantly know. >> cooper: did you go to the police? >> daniels: no. >> cooper: why? >> daniels: because i was scared. >> cooper: when a gossip web site reported a few months later that she'd had an affair with mr. trump, stormy daniels publicly denied it. five years later, donald trump won the republican nomination for president. >> daniels: suddenly people are reaching out to me again, offering me money. large amounts of money. was i tempted? yes-- i struggle with it. and then i get the call. "i think i have the best deal for you." >> cooper: from your lawyer? >> daniels: yeah. >> cooper: the deal was an offer not to tell her story. it came from mr. trump's attorney michael cohen. in return for signing this non- disclosure agreement, cohen would pay her $130,000 through a delaware-based limited liability corporation he had established in mid-october 2016 called essential consultants. daniels says the agreement was appealing because it meant she would receive some money but also not have to worry about the
affect the revelation of the affair would have on her child who was now old enough to watch the news. she signed the agreement 11 days before the election. was it hush money to stay silent? >> daniels: yes. the story was coming out again. i was concerned for my family and their safety. >> cooper: i think some people watching this are going to doubt that you entered into this negotiation because you feared for your safety. they're going to think that you saw an opportunity. >> daniels: i think the fact that i didn't even negotiate, i just quickly said, "yes" to this very, you know, strict contract. and what most people will agree with me extremely low number. it's all the proof i need. >> cooper: you feel like if you had wanted to go public, you could have gotten paid a lot of money to go public. >> daniels: without a doubt. i know for a fact. i believe, without a shadow of a doubt, in my heart, and some people argue that i don't have one of those, but whatever, that i was doing the right thing.
i turned down a large payday multiple times because one, i didn't want to kiss and tell and be labeled all the things that i'm being labeled now. i didn't want to take away from the legitimate and legal, i'd like to point out, career that i've worked very hard to establish. and most importantly, i did not want my family and my child exposed to all the things that she's being exposed to right now. because everything that i was afraid of coming out has come out anyway, and guess what? i don't have a million dollars. you didn't even buy me breakfast. >> cooper: 15 months after she signed the non-disclosure agreement, in january 2018, the "wall street journal" published this story, quoting anonymous sources, saying that mr. trump's attorney michael cohen had paid her for her silence. daniels says she was not the source of the story. but once it was published, she says she was pressured by her former attorney and former business manager to sign statements that michael cohen released publicly, denying she'd
had an affair with mr. trump. so you signed
and released a statement that said, "i am not denying this affair because i was paid in hush money i'm denying it because it never happened." that's a lie? >> daniels: yes. >> cooper: if it was untruthful, why did you sign it? >> daniels: because they made it sound like i had no choice. >> cooper: i mean, no one was putting a gun to your head? >> daniels: not physical violence, no. >> cooper: you thought that there would be some sort of legal repercussion if you didn't sign it? >> daniels: correct. as a matter of fact, the exact sentence used was, "they can make your life hell in many different ways." >> cooper: they being-- >> daniels: i'm not exactly sure who they were. i believe it to be michael cohen. >> cooper: president trump's attorney michael cohen has denied ever threatening stormy daniels. the payment cohen made to her is now the subject of complaints to the justice department and the federal election commission, alleging that it was an illegal campaign contribution. that part of the story and more
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eleven days before the presidential election, which may run afoul of campaign finance laws. the president's long-time lawyer michael cohen says he used $130,000 of his own money to pay stormy daniels. cohen has said the money was not a campaign contribution. but trevor potter, a former chairman of the federal election commission appointed by president george h.w. bush, told us he doesn't agree. >> potter: the payment of the money just creates an enormous legal mess for, i think, trump, for cohen, and anyone else who was involved in this in the campaign. >> cooper: are you saying that can be seen as a contribution to benefit a campaign? >> potter: i am. it's a $130,000 in kind contribution by cohen to the trump campaign, which is about $126,500 above what he's allowed to give. and if he does this on behalf of his client, the candidate, that
is a coordinated, illegal, in kind contribution by cohen for the purpose of influencing the election, of benefiting the candidate by keeping this secret. the payment stormy daniels received is the subject of complaints by watchdog groups to the department of justice and the federal election commission, which trevor potter used to be chairman of. he's now president of the non- partisan campaign legal center, which supports the enforcement of campaign finance laws. >> cooper: if the president paid michael cohen back, is that an in kind campaign contribution that the president should've then reported? >> potter: it is. if he was then reimbursed by the president, that doesn't remove the fact that the initial payment violated cohen's contribution limits. i guess it mitigates it if he's paid back by the candidate because the candidate could have paid for it without limit. >> cooper: what if the president never reimbursed michael cohen? >> potter: then he is still out on the line, having made a
illegal in kind contribution to the campaign. >> cooper: you're saying this is more serious for michael cohen if the president did not pay him back? >> potter: yes, i think that's correct. we wanted to speak with mr. trump's attorney michael cohen about this, but he did not respond to our calls and written request for comment. cohen told "the new york times" last month he used his own personal funds to facilitate a payment of $130,000 to stormy daniels and said, "neither the trump organization nor the trump campaign... reimbursed me for the payment." this past week, cohen told "vanity fair" magazine, "what i did defensively for my personal client, and my friend, is what attorneys do for their high- profile clients. i would have done it in 2006. i would have done it in 2011. i truly care about him and the family-- more than just as an employee and an attorney." >> avenatti: it's laughable. it's ludicrous. it's preposterous. >> cooper: lawyers don't do that, you're saying. >> avenatti: ever. >> cooper: michael avenatti is stormy daniels' attorney.
he's a los angeles trial lawyer who is suing the president in a california court, seeking to have stormy daniels' nondisclosure agreement-- or n.d.a.-- declared invalid, in part because the president never signed it on the lines provided for his alias-- "d.d.," david dennison. >> cooper: michael cohen has said, "look, this had nothing to do with the election." he would've made this agreement months before. >> avenatti: so why didn't he? it just slipped his mind? it's just a coincidence that, in the waning days of the campaign, he thought to himself, "oh, you know, i know i've been thinkin' about this for years. perhaps now is a good time to get that n.d.a. executed with stormy daniels." >> cooper: avenatti disputes the notion that cohen was working in a purely personal capacity when he arranged the hush money for stormy daniles. he's found documents that show michael cohen used his trump organization email address in setting up the payment. he also says the nondisclosure agreement stormy daniels signed in 2016, when she was represented by a different lawyer, was fed-exed to cohen at his trump organization office in trump tower in new york.
>> avenatti: that is a copy of the federal express confirmation >> cooper: the cover letter from daniels' previous attorney also identifies who he thought michael cohen was working for-- to mr. cohen as executive vice president and special counsel to donald j. trump, the trump organization, again-- listing the 5th avenue address. this idea that there's a separation now between mr. cohen, individually, and the trump organization or mr. cohen, individually, and donald trump, it's nonsense. >> cooper: there are people who argue that this is much ado about nothing, that if this was not a story about, an adult film actress and the president of the united states, no one would pay attention. >> avenatti: this is about the cover-up. this is about the extent that mr. cohen and the president have gone to intimidate this woman, to silence her, to threaten her, and to put her under their thumb. it is thuggish behavior from people in power.
and it has no place in american democracy. avenatti points to this recent court filing in which the president's lawyers claim daniels is already liable for damages "in excess of twenty million dollars" for unspecified violations of her non-disclosure agreement. and in that article in "vanity fair" this past week, michael cohen said that when he wins damages from stormy daniels, "i might even take an extended vacation on her dime." >> cooper: you're saying they're trying to intimidate her. >> avenatti: there's no question. you threaten someone with a $20 million lawsuit, it's a thuggish tactic. it's no different than what happened in the parking lot in las vegas. >> cooper: people make threats in lawsuits all the time. people, you know, say, "you're gonna have to pay a lot of money when you lose this-- this case." >> avenatti: people don't threaten people with $20 million lawsuits, that they're gonna take their home, and take an extended vacation on the money they receive. people don't conduct themselves like this. they don't. and they shouldn't. >> cooper: stormy daniels did sign the agreement.
she got $130,000. isn't she welching on a deal? >> avenatti: no, she's not welching on a deal, 'cause there never was a deal. >> cooper: but she still took the money. >> avenatti: she took the money. but the fact of the matter is mr. trump never signed the agreement. he was obligated to sign the agreement in order for the agreement to spring into effect. >> this is michael cohen: >> cooper: that's not true, according to michael cohen, who has said only his signature was required. what was also required under the non-disclosure agreement was for stormy daniels to turn over all" video images, still images, email messages, and text messages," she had regarding mr. trump. >> cooper: did you do that? >> daniels: i can't answer that right now. >> cooper: you don't want to say one way or the other if you have text messages or other items? >> daniels: my attorney has recommended that i don't discuss those things. >> cooper: you seem to be saying that she has some sort of text message, or video, or-- or photographs. or you could just be bluffing. >> avenatti: you should ask some of the other people in my career
when they've bet on me bluffing. >> cooper: in college and law school, you did opposition research for democratic political operative rahm emanuel. some people looking at that would say you're politically motivated. >> avenatti: i haven't done anything in politics in over 20 years. >> cooper: but this is not the usual case you take on. you were a former democratic operative. and you're talking about deposing the president. that sounds political. >> avenatti: no, it sounds righteous. >> cooper: how so? >> avenatti: because my client is credible. she's telling the truth. >> cooper: trevor potter, the former chairman of the federal election commission, says the agency's investigations often take a long time and usually result only in monetary penalties. but there is another scenario that could present a problem for the president: special counsel robert mueller's inquiry into russian interference in the 2016 election. in march, "the washington post" reported that the "special counsel has examined episodes involving michael cohen," including his efforts to launch a trump-branded project in moscow in the fall of 2015 when
mr. trump was seeking the republican nomination. >> cooper: is there any way that special counsel robert mueller could investigate the stormy daniels payment? >> potter: ya that's the wildcard here. >> cooper: as a prosecutor, you want to get leverage over somebody that you could then use to get them to give you other information on which-- >> potter: correct. >> cooper: --you're really interested in. >> potter: correct. that's what special counsel mueller appears to be doing with paul manafort, mr. trump's former campaign chairman, who faces multiple charges including tax and bank fraud. >> cooper: paul manafort has been charged with crimes that don't have anything to do with russia in some cases. >> potter: well, and that certainly preceded the campaign. and so-- clearly, the justice department, the deputy attorney general who is ultimately in charge of this, has determined that looking at what manafort did in other contexts-- is relevant to the investigation. and i think you can say exactly the same thing about cohen.
he was involved indisputably with trump organization activities with russia and negotiations with the russians. mr. cohen is in the middle of a place that's of great interest to the special counsel. >> cooper: is there a recent precedent for prosecuting somebody for an undisclosed campaign contribution? >> potter: as it happens, there is. there's sort of a pretty spectacular one. >> i did an awful, awful lot that was wrong. >> cooper: former senator john edwards was prosecuted, but never convicted, for payments that a supporter and his campaign finance chairman made a year before the 2008 election to a woman who'd had edwards' child. >> potter: i think the edwards' case is not as strong as the facts we have so far in the trump case. >> cooper: why do you think the potential case against cohen or trump is a stronger case than the edwards' case? >> potter: the timing of it. it wasn't the year before the election. it's right in the middle of the run up to election day.
when trump's conduct with women was a prime campaign issue. in fact, it was what everyone was focused on. >> cooper: white house press secretary sarah sanders did not respond to our request for comment from the president. but we did receive a letter from mr. trump's attorney charles harder, who asked that we show on camera and read on air one of the statements stormy daniels signed in january, denying reports she'd had an affair with mr. trump. it says, in part: "my involvement with donald trump was limited to a few public appearances and nothing more." >> cooper: if stormy daniels denied the affair in 2011, which you say is a lie, denied the affair in early january 2018, denied the affair in late january of 2018, doesn't that hurt her credibility? i mean, she's lying, she's lying, she's lying. >> avenatti: i think there's no question that it calls into question her credibility. i also think that there's no question that when the american people take all of the facts and evidence into consideration, that they are going to conclude that this woman is telling the truth.
and anderson, to the extent that mr. cohen and the president have an alternative version of the facts let them come forward and state it unequivocally. >> cooper: but come on. you would not sign statements one, two, three times about something which you knew to be a lie. >> avenatti: if the president of the united states' fixer made it clear to me, either directly or indirectly, that i needed to sign it, and i was in the position of stormy daniels, i might sign those statements. >> daniels: i felt intimidated and-- honestly bullied and i didn't know what to do. and so i signed it. even though i had repeatedly expressed that i wouldn't break the agreement, but i was not comfortable lying. >> cooper: how do we know you're telling the truth? >> daniels: 'cause i have no reason to lie. i'm opening myself up for, you know, possible danger and definitely a whole lot of ( bleep ). >> cooper: but, you know, there
is a potential ups-- a financial upside, maybe somebody will want you to write a book. maybe, you know, you can go on a bigger tour and make more money dancing? >> daniels: that's a lot of "if"s. i could also get shunned. i mean, i could automatically be alienating half of my fanbase right at this very moment. >> cooper: jenna jameson-- another well known adult film actress said recently about you, "the left looks at her as a whore and just uses her to try to discredit the president. the right looks at her like a treacherous rat. it's a lose-lose. should've kept her trap shut." >> daniels: i think that she has a lot of wisdom in those words. >> cooper: the president watches "60 minutes," if he's watching tonight, what would you say to him? >> daniels: he knows i'm telling the truth. >> more details from stormy daniels and the conversation with anderson cooper. >> i think there's more to come on this story. >> at 60minutesovertime.com.
>> kroft: even casual sports fans know the names of the superstars in pro basketball. there is lebron, steph curry, kevin durant, russell westbrook, james harden. but there is one name you may not have heard, mainly because it takes courage and concentration to pronounce it. i'm talking about giannis antetokounmpo of the n.b.a.'s milwaukee bucks. he is 23 years old, a hair under seven feet tall, and there are 13 letters in his last name, most of them consonants, so he is usually referred to as giannis, or "the greek freak." he's called that because he is
greek and is doing things on a basketball court that people have never seen before. and even if you aren't a basketball fan, you have to admire his athleticism, and a personal story that is one of the most interesting in all of sports. if that sounds like hype, we offer into evidence, exhibit number one. last month, madison square garden. bucks versus the knicks. a stolen pass, a fast break. watch giannis on the right. >> giannis dunks over tim hardaway! >> kroft: it was so quick, most people missed what actually happened. >> yowza! >> kroft: you have to slow it down and watch carefully to notice that the greek freak leapt right over a flabbergasted six-foot-six-inch defender, while catching the ball and stuffing it through the hoop. >> giannis antetokounmpo! >> kroft: the unpronounceable has become the unstoppable. how many steps does it take you to get down the court? >> giannis antetokounmpo: full level of the court? >> kroft: yeah. >> giannis antetokounmpo: six. >> kroft: how many from the foul line? >> giannis antetokounmpo: from
the foul, one. ( laughs ) just one. maybe none. i can just jump from the foul line, i think. >> kroft: you're watching highlights that have gone viral on six continents. already a two-time all-star, he's listed in the program as a forward, but he plays every position, from point guard to center, and leads the bucks in points, rebounds, and assists. this one surprised even giannis. >> giannis antetokounmpo: the hike pass that i did between my legs. that was one of the most i was like, wow, i, oh, wow, i just did that. >> kroft: had you ever done it before? >> giannis antetokounmpo: no. >> kroft: it just came to you? >> giannis antetokounmpo: it just came. >> kroft: it was a pretty good pass. >> giannis antetokounmpo: yeah. it was a really good pass. >> kroft: but it's his size and his coordination that intimidate. he has a wing span of seven feet, three inches. i've heard a lot about your hands. can i-- and his hands, which are a foot long, are thought to be the largest in the league. >> giannis antetokounmpo: they're huge.
>> kroft: wow. they allow him to palm or cradle the basketball, as if it were an orange. john henson, giannis's teammate, has watched it all. >> john henson: he can jump over you, go around you, or go through you. >> kroft: and he's only 23. >> henson: he's only 23. phew! he's only 23. >> kroft: if you go back five years, henson was on the bucks when giannis joined as a rookie. playing in milwaukee was a much different experience then. the team was lousy and half the seats were empty. >> henson: it was like a scrimmage out there, you know what i mean? it was a few people in the stands. we could hear our family. mom could give you advice, you know what i mean? it was one of those things. but, now, it, you know, it's loud, it's rowdy in there. ( cheers and applause ) ( crowd roars ) >> yes! >> kroft: on most nights now, the bradley center is hopping. giannis's presence has put the bucks and milwaukee back in the national conversation. the breweries that made it famous during the last century are mostly gone. now, it's antetokounmpo. >> peter feigin: he's an icon in a small city with a global appeal. >> kroft: peter feigin is president of the bucks.
he says milwaukee may be a small city by n.b.a. standards, but giannis has put it on the world map, giving it a marketing foothold in the global basketball business. >> feigin: he's one of the great five, ten players in the n.b.a. at this time. and he's-- he's an international icon. so it transcends markets. >> kroft: so how big is the market outside the united states and outside of milwaukee? >> feigin: more than 50% of our digital traffic is from out of the u.s. you know, more of our video views are outside of the u.s. and it's growing. >> kroft: and giannis has a following like no other player in the n.b.a. often after road games, he meets with large contingents of greek americans. >> giannis antetokounmpo: there is no way, you guys, you're all greek, no way. ( cheers ) >> kroft: on this night after a game in cleveland, an hour after a tough loss, 200 were waiting for him. ♪ ♪ he joined them in singing the greek national anthem... ♪ ♪ ...and hung around to take a selfie with his people.
it brings back memories. ♪ ♪ he was born in athens in 1994, into poverty on the lowest rung of greek society. his parents had come here from nigeria and raised their family. they had no papers, lived in tiny two-room apartments, sleeping three or four to a bed. there was rarely enough food. >> giannis antetokounmpo: you know, it was tough. we didn't have a lot of money. but we had a lot of happiness. so we wasn't broke happiness wise. when we were struggling back in the day, we were all together in one room, same room. we were having fun. we were smiling. there was some tough times. >> kroft: you think it made you stronger? >> giannis antetokounmpo: oh yeah, definitely. >> kroft: they subsisted in the shadows of the economy, peddling goods on the streets, just like these african migrants, hoping to make $25 or $30, always one step ahead of the law. >> kroft: what were you selling? >> giannis antetokounmpo: we used to sell glasses, watches. then, we used to sell cds, dvds. >> kroft: you must be a pretty good salesman. >> giannis antetokounmpo: i was the best.
>> kroft: the best? >> giannis antetokounmpo: yeah, i was really good at it. >> kroft: what was your secret? >> giannis antetokounmpo: i didn't give up. i was like, i always keep asking them questions. and i was cute, too. i was young. >> kroft: you pestered them until they bought something. >> giannis antetokounmpo: yeah. >> kroft: are you still like that? >> giannis antetokounmpo: persistent in life? i think, yes, i am. like, i'm going to do something until i get it right. >> kroft: it was giannis's father who encouraged him, and his older brother thanasis, to pursue basketball as a possible career. he had given them greek first names to help them assimilate, but it was basketball that helped them fit in, and the brothers began playing on this neighborhood court. we met thanasis in athens where he is a member of the greek national team and plays in a top european league. so this is the gym? he took us to the tiny, dingy gym which was their home court until five years ago. this is where you and giannis were playing when he got drafted? >> thanasis antetokounmpo: yeah. this is our gym. i mean, you can see the photos up there. >> kroft: the memories are still here. so are the leaky showers, and
the stale air, in a locker room barely large enough to accommodate the starting five. so were you two of the youngest people on the team? >> thanasis antetokounmpo: yeah, almost every year. almost every year, yes. >> kroft: they were both making less than $500 a month playing in the greek second division, more than they could make hawking sunglasses but not enough to afford multiple pairs of sneakers. what did you do for basketball shoes? >> thanasis antetokounmpo: depends. i remember one game, we played with the same pair. one game. >> kroft: you would come out of the game and you would give your shoes to him? >> thanasis antetokounmpo: yeah. >> kroft: then in early 2013, something weird happened. an international talent scout posted this grainy video of giannis online. he was a raw, 18-year-old beanpole averaging just nine points a game. were you the best player in the league? >> giannis antetokounmpo: no. i wasn't. i wasn't. there was a lot of players better than me. but i had a lot of potential to be better than them. >> kroft: one of the first to spot it was alex saratsis, a chicago agent, born in greece, who had already watched giannis play during a trip to athens.
who was he playing against? >> alex saratsis: it's like the equivalent of the-- the y.m.c.a., i would say. you have guys who have normal jobs, who work 9:00 to 5:00. guys who would be smoking cigarettes before games. but that would be who he'd be playing against. >> kroft: saratsis signed giannis up as a client, and over the next few months, watched virtually every n.b.a. team make the pilgrimage to the tiny gym in athens to appraise what they thought might be an uncut diamond. >> saratsis: you look up in the stands, in the gym that holds maybe 40 people, and 20 of them are n.b.a. people. >> kroft: that's crazy. >> saratsis: yeah. >> kroft: in june of 2013, he was invited to attend the n.b.a. draft, and with a new passport in hand, giannis and his brother boarded a plane to america. so what was he like when he got off the plane? >> saratsis: he had no idea what was going on.
i asked him, i said, "what color's your suit?" and he said, "what suit?" i said, "the suit for the draft?" he's like "i didn't know i needed to wear a suit." he said, "where would i buy a suit?" >> kroft: they managed to get one in time for giannis to hear his name called as the 15th pick of the first round. >> david stern: the milwaukee bucks select giannis antetokounmpo. >> giannis antetokounmpo: i was so excited. i was like, you guys got to go get my brother. thanasis came, gave me a hug. we started crying. we just knew our life changed at that moment. from now on, our family's going to have a better future. >> kroft: how'd you celebrate? >> giannis antetokounmpo: how we celebrate-- we didn't do nothing. there was a lot of other players going out to the clubs, getting drunk and stuff. me and thanasis just went back to the room excited. >> kroft: did you jump on the bed? >> giannis antetokounmpo: yeah, we started jumping on the bed, too. >> kroft: he was still wearing his new suit the next day, when he flew to milwaukee for his formal introduction. >> giannis antetokounmpo: i'm going to give 100%. >> kroft: did you know anything about milwaukee? >> giannis antetokounmpo: at the time, no.
nothing. >> kroft: did you know where it was? >> giannis antetokounmpo: no. >> kroft: didn't know what the weather was? >> giannis antetokounmpo: no. >> kroft: didn't know how big the arena was? >> giannis antetokounmpo: nothing. >> kroft: how good they were? >> giannis antetokounmpo: i didn't know the players. i didn't know nothing about milwaukee. i didn't know nothing about the n.b.a., period. >> kroft: that's not all the 18-year-old didn't know. his english was sketchy. he didn't know how to drive, or use a bank account. after trying his first smoothie, he sent out a tweet. >> giannis antetokounmpo: "man, i just had my first smoothie. man, god bless america." that's what i said. oh, man. >> kroft: giannis lived in a hotel and was alone for five months, until his parents and brothers got their visas to join him. and there was the very steep learning curve of adapting to the n.b.a. he averaged just six points and three rebounds in his rookie year. but there were moments of brilliance, like this defensive sequence that kept everyone's hopes up. watch the guy in red coming up from behind
>> henson: he blocked a shot, fell, blocked another shot, and i think that was probably the start of what he could become, in kind of a flash of his potential. >> kroft: what do you make of his progression? >> henson: i think from the third year on, it, it went from kind of a slight slope to straight up. >> kroft: this year, antetokounmpo finished second in the all-star balloting and first in votes cast by his fellow players. right now he is averaging 27 points and ten rebounds a game against the best competition in the world, and his brilliance is now taken for granted. >> feigin: we knew there was a prospect of him being very special, but we didn't know it was going to be like this. the interesting thing about giannis is there's not a game that something extraordinary doesn't happen. >> kroft: bucks' president peter feigin and his team's marketing department seem to be making the most of it. >> feigin: and the second he started holding the ball? ( clapping ) a little bit more. >> kroft: what's going on? >> feigin: this is part of the giannis effect. >> kroft: oh, yeah? >> feigin: this is called sales. >> kroft: what have you just sold? >> feigin: we've sold a season ticket.
>> kroft: how many of those do you sell? >> feigin: well, we've sold a few thousand, and we hope to sell a little bit over 10,000 before the new arena opens. >> kroft: the new $500 million facility, the house that giannis helped build, is pumping huge amounts of money into milwaukee's economy, and is supposed to be ready for next season. giannis got a private tour in january. >> antetokounmpo: come on, giannis, make a shot! come on! >> kroft: in the rafters, construction workers began a chant he's hearing more often. >> m.v.p.! m.v.p.! >> kroft: m.v.p., m.v.p. >> giannis antetokounmpo: my man! my man! >> action! >> kroft: the kid who once had to share his sneakers with his brother will soon have his own signature shoe from nike, the first foreign-born player to receive that tribute. in athens, on the playground where the greek freak made his first baskets, an artist has painted a fresco on asphalt in his honor. and when the largest airline in his native country needed someone to symbolize the glory of greece in its commercials, it
chose a young man who had once been an outcast here. what's it like when you go back to greece now? >> giannis antetokounmpo: the people go crazy now. and it's absolutely unbelievable, it's absolutely unbelievable. >> kroft: you're a big deal. >> giannis antetokounmpo: they think i'm a big deal. i don't know if i'm actually a big deal. >> kroft: to date, giannis antetokounmpo professes no love for bright lights and big cities. he's made milwaukee his home, and he's content being a big presence in a small city. >> giannis antetokounmpo: i think for a guy like me, low- profile guy, it's better being in milwaukee. >> kroft: you think you're low profile? >> giannis antetokounmpo: yeah. >> kroft: you want to be low profile? >> giannis antetokounmpo: always. ( laughter ) >> kroft: he'll make $22 million this year, yet he lives in a two-bedroom rental apartment with his mother, his girlfriend and his youngest brother. when he's not on the road, he is usually in the bucks' practice facility, working on his jump shot or just working out. as he said earlier, he likes to do something until he gets it right. how good do you think you can be? you think you're going to keep getting better? >> giannis antetokounmpo: oh yeah.
yeah. i have to. there's not a choice. >> kroft: what do you mean? >> giannis antetokounmpo: i'm really scared of failing. so i've got to get better. ( buzzer ) >> kroft: for the rest of the n.b.a., the idea the greek freak might even get better is a very scary thought. >> this cbs sports update is brought to you by the lincoln motor company i'm greg gumbel in new york. in the men's east regional final in new york, villanova going to its second final four in the last three years. in the midwest regional final, kansas beat duke the advance to its 15th final four. so saturday it will be loyola-chicago and michigan in game one, kansas versus villanova in game two. for 24/7sports highlights, visit
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