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the late show with stephen colbert is up next. our next newscast is in the morning at 4:30. we w captioning sponsored by cbs >> republicans are ignoring much of what the witnesses have told congress, but they're also ignoring some of the language in that presidential summary of the call between zelensky and donald trump. >> are you a member of the g.o.p.? tired of all the damning testimony you don't want to hear? introducing bose fact-cancelling headphones: state-of-the-art, ergonomically designed, and perfect for any g.o.p. member who wants to ignore highly corroborated truths from highly credible witnesses. simply place the fact-cancelling headphones on a primary digit, insert them, and activate the sound-cancelling feature. blaaa-blaaa-blaaa! bose fact-cancelling headphones:
if you can't hear it, it didn't happen. blaaaa-blaaaa-blaaaa >> it's "the late show with stephen colbert." tonight: mission impeachable! plus, stephen welcomes tim robbins. and journalist nicolle wallace. featuring jon batiste and stay human. and now, live on tape from the ed sullivan theater in new york city, it's stephen colbert! ( cheers and applause ) >> stephen: hello! thanks, everybody. thank you so much. wonderful to have you all here. welcome to "the late show." i'm your host, stephen colbert. well--
( applause ) it's finally arrived, the first day of live impeachment hearings. ( cheers and applause ) it's what we've been praying for since the beginning of the trump presidency: the end of the trump presidency. ( laughter ) now, let's not get ahead of ourselves here. washington being what it is, who knows what's going to happen. but i'll tell you all about it in tonight's very special edition of "don and the giant impeach." >> oh, please! >> stephen: i like that one. i like that one a lot. today's live testimony was as dramatic as it was historic. it was the biggest ratings hit for c-span 3 since "drunk history starring brett kavanaugh." ( laughter ) ( applause ) i like it. two solids right there.
the star witness was acting ambassador to ukraine and grandpa telling you whippersnappers to knock off the horseplay, bill taylor. taylor had testified behind closed doors that he was very concerned about the withholding of military aid from ukraine. but the bombshell today was something he hadn't testified to before. here's a little background on it. republicans say, survival strategy will be to try to distance president trump from any ukraine quid pro quo, with rudy giuliani potentially going under the bus. you cannot throw rudy giuliani under the bus. he already lives under the bridge. how do you get the bus down there? off-ramp? i don't know. so here's the deal-- trump didn't know nothing about the pressure to investigate biden. but today, taylor said this
>> last friday, a member of my staff told me of events that occurred on july 26. in the presence of my staff, at a restaurant, ambassador sondland called president trump and told him of his meetings in kiev. the member of my staff could hear president trump on the phone asking ambassador sondland about the investigations. >> stephen: so, this staffer overheard trump asking about a foreign nation investigating his political opponent. that's like if they had a picture of nixon breaking into the watergate. ( laughter ) taylor continued: >> following the call with president trump, the member of my staff asked ambassador sondland what president trump thought about ukraine. mr. sondland responded that. president trump cares more about the investigations of biden, which giuliani was pressing for. >> stephen (as taylor): "he also emphasized that president trump cared more the investigations of biden than he did about his son eric, who the president described as 'the teeth one.'" ( laughter )
shen, schiff followed up on the overheard phone call. >> and as your staff related the event to you, your staff member could overhear mr. sondland on the phone-- could overhear the president on the phone with mr. sondland. is that right? >> that's correct. >> so the president must have been speaking loud enough on the phone. this was a cell phone, i take it? >> it was a cell phone. >> the president must have been speaking loud enough for your staff member to be able to overhear this? >> it was. >> stephen (as trump yelling): "ok, this is very sensitive information. i want ukraine to investigate my political opponent! wait. am i-- am i on speaker phone? why not? i want the waiter to hear this! i would like dirt on joe biden and fully loaded nachos!" ( cheers and applause ) "oh, i forgot the garlic knots."
taylor's testimony was damning when it came to trump's insistence on getting a public announcement about investigating the bidens. >> everything was dependent on the public announcement of investigations, including security assistance. president trump wanted president zelensky "in a public box." >> stephen (as trump): "would you, could you in a box? would you, could you live on fox? ( laughter ) will you give me dirt on joe? will you do the quid pro quo." ( cheers and applause ) taylor testified that there were two groups running foreign policy in ukraine-- a regular channel and an irregular
channel led by rudy giuliani. and over time, he grew concerned. >> i began to sense that the two decision-making channels-- the regular and irregular-- were separate and at odds. later that day, i received text messages on a three-way whatsapp. >> stephen: it's weird to hear that guy say "whatsapp." ( as taylor ) "i received a text message on whatsapp. it was a gif of a tiktok of a toddler dancing to iggy azalea. it was so extra. have you heard the new king princess album? it's lit. hundo p." taylor also gave some insight into the way trump justified his own actions. >> president trump told ambassador sondland he was not asking for a quid pro quo. but president trump did insist that president zelensky go to a microphone and say he is opening investigations of biden and 2016 election interference, and that president zelensky should want to do this himself. >> stephen: trump's kind of sounding like a needy girlfriend
right there. ( as trump ) "no, i don't want to meet your parents. i want you to want me to meet your parents. also, do your parents have any dirt on joe biden?" taylor went on: >> ambassador sondland tried to explain to me that president trump is a businessman. when a businessman is about to sign a check to someone who owes him something, the businessman asks that person to pay up before signing the check. ambassador volker used the same language several days later. i argued to both that the explanation made no sense. >> stephen: yeah. it makes no sense. there's only one thing trump cuts a check for. oh, my god, did he have sex with ukraine? did he get spanked by ukraine? ( cheers and applause ) taylor wasn't the only witness. he was joined by senior state department official george kent, who watched taylor's impassioned testimony like this.
here's my advice, young people: find someone who looks at you the way george kent looks at william taylor. ( laughter ) kent made it clear just who was calling the shots in our ukraine policy. >> it became clear to me that giuliani's efforts to gin up politically motivated investigations were now affecting u.s. engagement with ukraine. >> stephen: and if there's anything rudy giuliani knows how to do, it's gin up. also, vodka up. ( laughter ) after 45 minutes of questioning, adam schiff asked kent and taylor the one question we were all dying to hear: >> would you gentleman like a brief recess? >> stephen: "ah-- ah-- sure? oops. jinx! owe me a coke! i got the monkey bars!" when it was the republicans' turn, devin nunes hammered home
one message: this was all a big show being directed by the democrats. >> the witnesses deemed suitable for television by the democrats were put through a closed door audition process. ( as nunes ) "they required these witnesses to sing both a ballad and an up-tempo number. i nailed 'surrey with the fringe on top.' how come i'm not testifying?" ♪ ♪ thank you. then ♪ ♪ ( applause ) >> jon: that was good. i liked that you did that. >> stephen: then it came time for questions from g.o.p. staff attorney and guy at the gym judging how much you can squat, steve castor. castor seemed to have a clear strategy-- keep bringing up a bunch of insane debunked republican conspiracy theories. >> in the information published by sergey luschenko about the manafot black ledgers in august
of 2016, i mean, the very day that was published, mr. manafort resigned from the campaign, correct? >> i don't know, mr. castor. >> but certainly that gives rise to some concerns that the ukraine establishment were out to get the president, and that is a very reasonable belief of his, correct? >> i-- i don't know. i don't know, sir. mr. castor, i don't know. >> stephen (as lawyer): "mr. taylor, can you verify where barack obama was born? is hillary clinton her own stunt double? was hunter biden paid $50,000 a month by burisma to spray the chem trails that are turning my dog gay? why else is my dog humping my leg, sir!" correct? ( laughter ) in a follow-up question, castor tried to clarify-- kind of. it wasn't really clear. >> the runup to the 2016 election, there's many facts that remain unresolved, agreed?
>> i am sorry. what's the question? ( laughter ) >> stephen: "the question is, is it not true that there are still unknown things in this world? is there-- is there a loch ness monster? where did they bury jimma hoffa? why did i say jima hoffa instead of jimmy hoffa? why do men have nipples?" jima hoffa. jima hoffa. ( applause ) according to castor, the president of ukraine was really into meeting with giuliani. >> but the way zelensky states it here, it sounds like he is very much looking forward to speaking with america's mayor. >> stephen: oh, everyone looks forward to meeting pete buttigieg. he's delightful. ( cheers and applause ) just so nice. >> jon: that's a good guy! >> stephen: after, that representatives were given five minutes of questioning each, and
g.o.p. representative mike turner had a novel approach to his questioning. >> ambassador you testified about a number of things that you heard. isn't it possible that the things that you heard were not true? you could be wrong, correct? and they could be wrong, or they could be mistaken? right? so you could be wrong. >> stephen: so that's their best argument? "maybe there is no reality. uh, maybe everything is just an illusion created by an evil genius to deceive us about the nature of the universe. maybe we're all stardust where there is no up or down or right or wrong or high crimes or misdemeanors. thin, then, republican-- nothing can be known! nothing can be known. then representative representative john ratcliffe shared this ironclad defense of trump's ukraine call. >> what did president zelensky actually do to get the aid? the answer is nothing.
he did nothing. he didn't open any he didn't call attorney general bill barr. he didn't do any of the things that house democrats say that he was being forced and coerced and threatened to do. >> stephen: so trump got caught before he could force zelensky to do it. he failed, but the fact that he's a bad criminal doesn't make it not a crime. because if being bad at something makes you not that thing, then trump is not a business owner or a husband. then-- ( cheers and applause ) then-- all over the place. just black ice. then democrat eric swalwell had some technical difficulties when he tried to play a clip of mick mulvaney. >> ambassador taylor, i would like you to listen to what he said. i'll read it for you.
( laughter ) >> stephen: that's embarrassing. jim, can we see that clip again? ( laughter ) let's just move on. let's just move on. the real republican attack dog was ohio congressman and america's assistant wrestling coach, jim jordan. jordan kept calling for the whistleblower to testify, because he said he wanted to talk to the guy who started it all. but he was shut down by vermont's peter welch. >> i say to my colleague, i would be glad to have the person who started it all come in and testify. president trump is welcome to take a seat right there. ( laughter ) ( cheers and applause ) >> jon: ooooooooooon h! >> stephen: is this on? thank you, i'll be here all week, seriously. this is never going to end.
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tim robbins is here tonight. >> jon: is in the house. >> stephen: very exciting. so, folks here's the question: what was donald trump doing while congress debated the end of his presidency? meeting with bastion of liberty: turkish strongman recep erdogan, seen here failing to raise the roof. you all may remember that a few weeks ago, trump agreed to allow the turkish army to attack our kurdish allies in syria after talking to erdogan on the phone-- or as trump calls it "perfect phone call 2: 2 perfect 2 phone." well, today, trump invited erdogan to join him for an official squat in front of reporters in a brand-new episode of: >> chair chat. >> stephen: right off the bean, trump got to what mattered most. >> first lady, thank you very much. and i know you are going to >> stephen (as trump):
"now let's get to the real issues: what are you gonna order? are you getting apps for the whole table? because if so, order twice as much calamari as you think you need." the president was asked about the impeachment hearings. >> i did not watch it. i'm too busy to watch it. it's a witch hunt. it's a hoax. i'm too busy to watch it. >> stephen: no, you're not! ( laughter ) for pete's sake, you live tweeted sean spicer on "dancing with the stars." you didn't even skip the commercials! later, trump and president erdogan held a joint press conference. trump got things off to a great start by mispronouncing president erdogan's name. >> last month, i sent vice president pence, secretary of state pompeo is with us. national security advisor o'brien, thank you-- to meet with pre( laughr ) >> stephen (as trump): "yes, we're so excited to meet with mr. erdogahn, president of tofurkey.
( laughter ) it's my honor to have you here at white castle." ( laughter ) he seems tired. when it was question time, trump was asked for his thoughts on today's impeachment hearings. >> do you feel that democrats made their case? and how did you feel about the republicans' performance? >> are you talking about the witch hunt? is that what you mean? is that what you're talking about? i hear that it is a joke. >> stephen: it's actually a knock-knock joke. ready? knock, knock. >> audience: who's there! >> stephen: whistleblower. >> audience: whistleblower who? >> stephen: it doesn't matter who! all the testimony says you're guilty! ( applause ) trump may not have watched the testimony, but he got a report from his friends in the room. >> but i heard just a report. they said it's all third-hand information. nothing direct at all. it can't be direct, because i
never said it. >> stephen (as trump): it was all third-hand. it was all hearsay. it was like a big game of telephone, because i used a telephone to ask ukraine to investigate joe biden." trump was also asked about that bombshell revelation from today's testimony, where bill taylor's aide overheard a phone call of trump asking about the ukraine investigation. >> i know nothing about that. first time i have heard it. i have never heard this. i have never heard it. i don't recall. no, not at all, not even a little bit. >> stephen: (as trump): "not even a little bit. i don't recall a thing. my brain is as empty as a theme park in january. just old popcorn bags and broken stroller wheels rolling around up there." we'll be right back with tim robbins. ( applause ) ♪ ♪ at complex balances skin's microbiome. so skin looks like this and you feel like this.
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( cheers and applause ) >> stephen: hey, everybody, welcome back to the show already in pgress he at the ed sullivan theater. folks, my first guest is an academy award winner redemption" "mystic river" and "castle rock." he now stars in the new film "dark waters." please welcome to "the late show," tim robbins! ♪ ♪ ( cheers and applause ) >> it's been so long! >> stephen: how long has it been? i know i interviewed you on the old gig. >> the old gig. the colbert report. do you remember the first question you asked me when i was on your show? >> stephen: nope. >> let me remind you. >> stephen: there were a lot of guests. i'm sorry. what was the first question? >> you said, "what is it like to work with clint eastwood and why
do you hate our troops?" >> stephen: i remember that one. i think i modeled every actor i talked to after that based on you. because i admire you as an ajtor, but, obviously, you're part of the problem because you're one of the hollywood liberal elite. >> right, yeah. >> stephen: corrupting our minds, warping our spines, losing the war for the allies. >> i know, right? but you've evolved. >> stephen: have i? i don't know. i've aged. i've aged, i know that. >> so have i! >> stephen: no! >> no way! so the second time i was on the showue know-- i don't know if you're all familiar with that show, whenever stephen would come out, make his entrance, he would high-five the audience. >> stephen: the guests would be seated and i would injury because i was the guest. >> after you introduced the guest. i thought well, you know, what? why is he the only one who gets to do that? soy-- jim, do you have a clip of what happened that night? stephen: woooo!
>> woooo! >> stephen: woooo! woooo! >> woooo! >> stephen: woooo! woooo! ( applause ) ( cheers and applause ) >> stephen: nicely done. i had forgotten. about that. i forgot about that. that's nice. what did we talk about? that took, like, two minutes. we only talked six minutes. >> we didn't have time to talk after that. >> stephen: now that i can talk to you in my own voice, not my character voice, i do mean it, i do admire you as an artist. but i have to confess, i have never seen "the shawshank
redemption." it's a major hole in my cultural milieu. but i don't eye don't know. there's, like, you're in the rain at one point. and then-- ( laughter ) i know that part. there's rain and rita hayworth or something lake that there nthere. >> yeah. >> stephen: i want to watch it with you. >> okay, we will. >> stephen:iment to watch it with you and morgan freeman. >> oh, wow. you're getting demanding now. >> stephen: i am. i want to do a reaction video of me watching it with you guys. that would be fun. >> so i had heard a rumor about this. >> stephen: that i hadn't seen it. >> that you hadn't seen it. >> stephen: are you mad? >> no, not at all. i came prepared with some questions. actually, a quiz. >> stephen: "the shawshank redemption" quiz. is this like a quiz, which prisoner am i from "the shawshank redemption." >> necessary a prison. the quiz is i'm going to read some lines from movies, and you have to tell me whether they are
lines from "shawshank redemption" or not. >> stephen: okay. i promise you, i promise you i have not heard one line from "the shawshank redemption." >> okay, good. >> stephen: i've seen pictures and that's it. >> this will be good then. >> stephen: it looks good. >> here we go: "hope is like the sun. if you only believe it when you see it, you'll never make it through the night." "shawshank or no "shawshank?" >> stephen: "shawshank." >> actually, that's princess leah. >> stephen: keep going. >> in just a few hours, you'll be sitting around a campfire with andy, making delicious hot schmos." ( laughter ) >> stephen: is that from "toy story?" >> yes. >> stephen: okay. okay. ( applause ) >>is""--
>> stephen: that i've seen. i've seen that one. >> "i guess i just miss my friend." >> stephen: "shawshank." >> very good! ( applause ) "all we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us." >> stephen: come on, that's gandolf. >> okay, all right. >> stephen: now you're in my 'hood. >> "running ain't freedom." >> stephen: "shawshank." >> actually vin diesel in "fast five." ( laughter ) ( applause ) >> stephen: it's a fine line. it's a fine line, sure, sure. >> "i guess it comes down to a simple choice, really-- get busy living or get busy dying." >> stephen: is that "toy story," too? what's that. >> that's "shawshank." >> stephen: "that's "shawshank." >> you got three. >> stephen: i got 50%. >> you win. >> stephen: i win? >> you win a screening with morgan freeman and tim robbins.
>> stephen: it's a deal. it's a deal. ( applause ) now the new film "dark waters," what is it based on? >> so it's based on the work of-- what i feel is a genuine american hero, a lawyer named rob bell on the who was working for a law firm tawld taft in cincinnati. and this law firm, it was-- it's-- what they do is they represent corporate climate clients-- chemical companies. and rob was approached by a family friend, a farmer, whose land had been polluted by dupont. and he asked rob to take on his case. and it was completely against the culture of that law firm for rob to do it. i play the-- one of the managing partners of the firm. and i agree with rob that we should do this. and i provide the resources of the firm for him to investigate. and what we find out is that in fact dupont was negligent and in fact knew for years that they were polluting the west virginia
area around where their plant was. and in fact, this-- i think some of you may remember it. it was teflon, which many years ago, they had a lawsuit and realized that teflon was actually poisoning us, and so they got rid of teflon. but what they defense they actually reinvented it, and it went back into the stores under a different brand name. so this is the story of rob blott's struggle for 20 years to get justice for this farmer in west virginia. >> stephen: we have a clip here. it looks like it's in the board room or the law office? >> yes, it's where-- i've gone to the partners of the firm, and i've presented rob's case, and we're agreeing-- we're discussing whether or not we should take on this massive lawsuit against di dupont. >> stephen: jim. >> has anyone even read the evidence this man has collected, the willfulling willful negligee
corruption? read it, and then tell me we should be sitting on our asses. that's the reason why americans hate lawyers. it's the crap that fuels the ralph naders of the world. we should want to nail dupont. all of us should! american business is better than this, gentlemen. and when it's not, we should hold them to it. that's how you build faith in the system! ( cheers and applause ) >> stephen: did that guy really say that? now, here's the thing-- >> that guy's name is tom terp. he really exists. i met him via skype. this is the kind of-- this is what we need this in this country. we need people that possess the power to change things, to look to themselves and to decide for themselves what is moral and what is not. and-- to risk at times their
livelihood, their income to do what is right in this country. ( applause ) ( cheers ). >> stephen: thank you so much for being here. it was great to see you. thanks for bringing the quiz. "dark waters" is in theaters next friday. tim robbins, everybody! we'll be right back with msnbc's nicolle wallace. electric ygienist said gg could lead to way cleaner teeth. she said, get the one inspired by dentists, with a round brush head. go pro with oral-b. oral-b's gentle rounded brush head removes more plaque along the gum line. for cleaner teeth and healthier gums. and unlike sonicare, oral-b is the first electric toothbrush brand accepted by the ada for its effectiveness and safety. what an amazing clean! i'll only use an oral-b! oral-b. brush like a pro.
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>> stephen: hey, everybody, welcome back! folks, my next guest served as communications director for president george w. bush and was senior advisor to the 2008 mccain campaign. she's currently the host of msnbc's "deadline: white house." please welcome nicolle wallace! ♪ ♪ ( applause ) it's a. thankou havg me.ay of impeachmt hearings. you've been on the air since 9:00 a.m. this morning, right? >> yes, yes. >> stephen: did you carbo-load to get through the day. >> a day of candy and coffee. >> stephen: it's like running a marathon all day long. >> without moving. >> stephen: and somehow my
nipples are bleeding. >> something like that. >> stephen: now the sondland trump call, that's-- that's one-- >> that's the bombshell they had. >> stephen: that's one i hadn't heard before. that's the ultimate significance of that story? >> sondland is the most centering character in all this. i worked in republican politics. you know that. >> stephen: i used to make fun of your boss a lot. >> i know. i saw it a lot, threw things at the tv. >> stephen: you're welcome! >> we usually don't-- we usually don't get to these parts of the city so thank you for having me, inside, inside. but the sondland story is so interesting, because, you know, donald trump talked about human carnage in his inaugural address. >> stephen: sure, sure. >> sondland epitomizes that to me. he was a republican fund-raiser for the bushes and he was on jeb bush's team before he flamed out in the primaries. high finally gets what he seems to have sought for so long-- a plumb ambassadorship -- >> stephen: a million dollars to the inaugural campaign. >> he gave money to other politicians. trump is the first one who gives
him an ambassadorship. he ends up in the middle of this messy scandal. he may or may not have perjured himself. i'm sure he has huge legal bills. and he's sort of in the eye of the storm. and there are real questions now about whether he is the smoking gun that leads this whole thing right to donald trump. , who unlike other scandals that you sort of work your way up and you try to figure out what the president knew and when we knew it. this was directed and run by donald trump. >> stephen: right, the very first piece of evidence we got was him on the phone call saying, "you can have your military aid if you give us-- if you give me some investigation." >> right. and it didn't leak out. it didn't get, you know, handed to some deep-state guy who handed it to a deep-state girl who handed it to a russian. he released it. ( laughter ). >> stephen: yeah. kind of like junior releasing all the emails. >> right. >> stephen: yeah. stupid does not fall from the tree. you-- you were upset over laura ingraham's questioning the
patriotism of vind man, who was one of the national security officials listening in on the call, and testified that this was not good. it was definitely a quid pro quo. this is what they said on laura ingraham's show, and this is what you said in response. jim. >> here we have a u.s. national security official who is advising ukraine while working inside the white house, apparently against the president's interests, and usually they spoke in english. isn't that kind of an interesting angle on this story? >> i find that astounding, and, you know, some people might call that espionage. >> except those people aren't chicken ( bleep ) like the three of you, and they know that he passed a background check that the president's daughter and son-in-law didn't. ( applause ). >> stephen: ta it. you said it. ( cheers and applause )
♪ ♪ now, you're doing this, you're doing this. are you doing this because you regret having said it? >> so i got the swear jar in my house. and my seven-year-old is like, "$20, mom." "can i see you say chicken ( bleep )?" oh, god. instead of watching -- >> stephen: what do you think has happened to your former republican-- >> side. >> stephen: colleagues? what has happened to your side? because the republicans-- you know, i don't always agree with what their policies might be, but they have made a very good run at acting on what they considered principle. where is the principle now? >> look, my problem with that specifically and just the galling nature of that exchange was that, one, laura ingraham knows better. she's a lot of things. stupid isn't one of them? >> stephen: eh. >> what she teed up there with john yu-- who you know very well.
you were very aware of it at the same time. >> stephen: sure. he's the torture memo guy. >> correct. he knows better. he worked at the highest levels of the justice department. he knows colonel vindman isn't a spy. so just to leave it out there like, "oh, i don't know. isn't it weird they speak in another language. maybe a spy, next question," is so reckless, so scary, representing the debasement not just of the right but the debasement of what happens on that program. >> stephen: why did it happen? >> i don't know. >> stephen: why is this happening? >> i don't have the answer to that. >> stephen: you say they have been kidnapped. their souls have been kidnapped by donald trump. did you say that? >> probably, it's been a long day. >> stephen: i have a slight problem with your analogy because kidnappers don't cooperate. >> right. >> stephen: people who are kidnapped don't cooperate with their kidnappers. >> that's a fair employment of point. >> stephen: these people have volunteered to be kidnapped. >> if you watched the testimony today they had seven different ways to have their souls
hijacked. oh, that didn't work, try this. calling vindman a spy didn't get trump out of the trouble he was in, let's try this. just ludicrous excuse after ludicrous excuse. yesterday's talking points went out to the republicans. and, like, before they hit "send" donald trump had undermined them. if i had any capacity for sympathy for my old party it would be so sad, it would be embarrassing. but i don't. >> stephen: so you say your "old party." so you're no longer a republican? >> i'm still a registered republican because i can barely renew my driver's license let alone go down and reregister. but i'm not a practicing republican. ( cheers and applause ) >> stephen: we have to take a little bit of a break. please don't go away, you either, because we'll be right back with more nicolle wallace. ♪ ♪ ( applause ) too shabby! too much! i can rent this? for that price? absolutely.
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you're a former white house communications director. what do you make of the fact that there doesn't seem to be at least a visible communications director. stephanie grisham, who is in the witness relocation program, evidently. what does it mean? what does it mean to not have sort of a functioning communications team? >> look, we should be careful not to deride some of the structural changes he's made because he did become president without a press secretary, without a pollster, without a-- all the normal stuff, right. >> stephen: without the popular vote. >> correct. ( cheers and applause ) yeah. >> stephen: been there, done that, though. >> yeah, i mean, so i-- i don't want to be judgey about org charts and stuff. it seems fussing about -- >> stephen: but if somebody has a job you want to see them exercising it on some level. >> i think the bigger point is they don't care. those jobs existed because mike mccurry would take to the
podium and make profound announcements about war and peace and legislation and health care and taxes. and the white house podium used to mean something. now it's the place where sean spicer stood and lied about the size of donald trump's inauguration crowds. i mean, it's just-- it's-- it's really almost like a symptom, not the cause. but it is another symptom of the fact that they don't care about the government serving anybody, informing anybody. george conway was on our network's coverage today, and he said what the ukraine scandal shows is the presidency exists to serve donald trump. >> stephen: i saw that george conway was on your show today. and i know that neither he nor kellyanne are willing to answer any questions about their relationship or how they keep it going when she is 100% in lockstep with the exprt he is 100% for the president's rimove from office. what do you think is going on there? you don't know. >> i have no idea. my parents think donald trump belongs on mount rushmore.
i live this sort of need to understand and understand the people who have different views about donald trump, so i've got no judgment on that. i think if transparency is the disinfectant, they're both sort of living their political views out loud. >> stephen: do you need someplace to go on thanksgiving. my place, in case it gets too tense. nicolle, thank you so much for being here. >> thank you. >> stephen: "deadline: white house" airs weekdays on msnbc. nicolle wallace, everybody! we'll be right back. thanks so much for being you shouldn't have to live with pain.
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