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already might be called "a stroke of genius." susan spencer will explain why. >> at just 39 years old, aaron ulland became a stroke victim. now at 41, he has become something else: patient one in a groundbreaking study. so they're telling you we're going to put electrodes in your son's brain? >> yep. >> reporter: and your reaction to this was? >> honestly, i was terrified. >> reporter: a potential game-changer for stroke victims ahead on "sunday morning." >> very good. that was very good. >> lady day was the nickname of a celebrated jazz singer, billie holiday, who is portrayed by another singer by the name of day. we'll be hearing about that from tracy smith. ♪ ♪ if i could take the notion ♪ >> reporter: in the new film "the united states

versus billie holiday," andra day is mesmerizing in the title role. but she was almost too afraid to take it. >> there is probably no better way to say this, i didn't want to suck. i was certain i was going to be terrible. >> reporter: later this "sunday morning," the return of lady day. ♪ why not take all of me ♪ >> and then it is on to a legend of stage and screen, comedy and drama. his name was mike nichols, and this morning you'll learn more about his remarkable life. >> that's it, mom. >> i will send you a postage stamp. >> tell me how you are? >> how are you? >> i'm sick. >> reporter: mike nichols was already a famous comedian when he discovered that directing was his true calling. >> he always said he walked in and sat down with the actors to read the play, and said, "this is what i'm meant to do."

>> report >> and, boy, was it ever. coming up, the improbable life of mike nichols. faith salie has the inside scoop on pockets, martha teichner tells us the tale of when harry met minnie. holly williams is in conversation with actor stanley tucci. jim gaffigan is back with us this morning, along with steve hartman and more, on this sunday morning for the 31st of january 2021. we'll be right back. ♪

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>> rocca: a stroke can strike at almost any age with no advanced warning. so no wonder some are calling a new experimental treatment for its victims a stroke of genius. susan spencer tells us all about it. >> reporter: retired new jersey school teacher holly ulland and her son, aaron, always have been exceptionally close. what sort of personality does he have? >> very compassionate, loves animals, has always been a tinkerer. >> reporter: young and capable, aaron seemed perfectly healthy until one january morning in

2019. >> i woke up to use the bathroom, and i couldn't get out of my bed. i had to grab something to get out of bed. and then i got my two feet on the floor, and i walked a couple of feet and i fell down. >> i went to go down the hallway past his bedroom, found him on the floor, but he could not get up. >> reporter: you couldn't get up off the floor? >> no. >> reporter: this must have been terrifying? >> yeah. >> reporter: at just 39 years old, aaron had suffered a stroke, paralyzing his left side. >> he tried to talk to me, but his words were all gargled. and i was terrified that he would never speak again. >> reporter: after four days in the i.c.u., he had regained his speech, but not much else. >> stand up again. >> reporter: he then spent two months in rehab. >> we had one neurologist tell us that aaron would never move his arm again. and when we got in the parking lot, i literally

put his face in my handshands,and i said, don't yon buy into that. >> reporter: how would you define a stroke? >> a stroke occurs whenever there is any problem with blood flow to the brain. >> reporter: dr. diana tzeng is a neurology professor at at thomas jefferson university in philanthropy. in general, people assume strokes happen to mostly older people. is that the case? >> anyone can have a stroke. and there is a disturbing trend where there are more young adults suffering from strokes. >> reporter: astoundingly, one american has a stroke every 40 seconds, and 10% to 15% of stroke victims are 18 to 49 years old. as to why this happens... >> about 50% of the time, when a young person has a

stroke, we can't figure out the cause. >> reporter: the cause of aaron's stroke is still a mystery. but the consequences are devastatingly clear. >> there is no regeneration of brain cells. once you've had a stroke, the brain cells that have been affected are dead. for some patients we offer intensive physical therapy, occupational therapy, speech therapy. but in terms of direct interventions that we can provide to patients, still none to help them regain what they've lost. >> reporter: but aaron is determined to regain what's lost, which is why he mastered a three-wheeler when he couldn't ride a regular bike, and it's why he said yes to be patient one in a revolutionary study at thomas jefferson university. his mother wasn't so sure. so they're telling you we're going to put electrodes in your son's

brain? >> yep. >> reporter: and your reaction to this was? >> honestly, i was terrified, but i also knew it was aaron's decision. >> reporter: and he did not hesitate? >> no. he just kept saying, i want my arm back. >> reporter: so last october, with cameras rolling, doctors implanted multiple electrodes in aaron's brain. it took nine hours. >> we rehearsed this hundreds of times prior to surgery to know how we were going to do it, to know precisely where we were going to put it. >> reporter: jefferson's health neurosurgeon is one of two lead doctors on the study. >> the bright white spots are where there was the stroke. >> reporter: and dr. mijail serruya is the other doctor. what are the electrodes like? >> the electrodes in the study are incredibly small. they're about the size of

a baby aspirin or a regular m&m, and they just go into the surface of the cort tex, the outside of the brain. it is a bundle of wires that comes out. you can see actually one, two, three, four. >> reporter: in a nutshell, the role of these electrodes is? >> the role of the electrodes is to record the electrical signals from his existing brain cells, take those electrical signals and convert them into the movement that he desires to do, move his fingers, move his hands, move his arms. >> reporter: in other words, aaron's stroke damaged the connection between his brain and his arm. >> each one of those is going to connect to a different electrode. >> reporter: these electrodes repair it, sending signals from his brain to a motorized brace, and voilaá, aaron can move his arm again. >> very good. that was very good.

>> he has shown us that someone almost two years now, after a pretty significant stroke, can recover function. >> reporter: and it is just the beginning. there are so many things that we do that we just completely take for granted. for example, pick up a cup or -- he said he has trouble zipping anything because he can't use that hand. how far do you think this technology can go in terms of people actually regaining fine motor skills? >> well, i'm not sure i'll be on this earth to see it, but i think we'll have people playing the piano and being concert violinists. >> reporter: seriously? >> seriously. >> reporter: that is amazing. aaron's electrodes were put in for only a three-month trial. but doctors see the day when, like a pacemaker, this technology will be wireless and implantable, eliminating the arm brace all together. >> i think that is the goal, that in the coming five, 10, 15, 20 years, we

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>> rocca: on wall street this past week, plenty of chaos. david pogue explains why. >> reporter: last week you might have seen the headlines about something truly whacked outgoing on in the stock market. something to do with gamestop, this alien chain of retail stores that sell video games. for no discernible business reason, its stock shot up hundreds of dollars in a matter of days. allow me to present the explanation. you know the formula for making money in the stock market, right: buy low, sell high. but it is also possible to make money when the stock goes down. it is called shorting the stock, you're betting that the company's stock will fall. the basics goes something like this: when the stock is high, you borrow shares from your brokerage and then you sell them.

now, of course, technically you still owe those shares to your brokerage, so you wait for the price of the stock to go down, and then you buy them back for much less money. you return the shares to your brokerage, and you just made money. unless, of course, the price of the stock went up in the meantime. in that case, you're in trouble. wall street doesn't like gamestop much. after all, who is buying video games in a physical store anymore? so the hedge funds had shorted gamestop, bet against it. and then last week they met their match. >> if you look at reddit, the foreign wall street bets, which has more than two million subscribers, there are dozens encouraging each other to push shares higher. >> reporter: jamie rogozinski started wall street bets in 2020. they tend to be stark key,

funny, a little reckless. >> they're not looking at it as i'm going to lose my money. they figure it as i'm purchasing the possibility of making money, with a nononrefundable ticket. >> reporter: last week, a funny thing happened, these amateur investors got to buy up gamestop's stop, driving the price up. >> it went bananas, more than 130% on a single day. we don't see things like that on wall street. >> reporter: jill schlesinger should know. she is my colleague at cbs. she has written about how the big brokerage houses prefer mom and pop retail investors. >> they call retail investors the dumb money, and they call the institutions the hedge funds. the private equity peoople, thatat is the smamart money. the intereresting parart of this stotory is thahat the cost of trading is so low, executing a trade is so

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>> rocca: it's a mystery right at your fingertips, the puzzle that is pockets. faith salie helps us get to the bottom of it. ♪ >> reporter: if you're a man, you probably take pockets for granted. if you're a woman, they can make you feel like a queen. why? well, they store more than just our hands and possessions. if you dig deep enough, pockets also hold a fascinating history. >> as a whole, i think pockets tell us a lot about the human condition. >> reporter: hannah carlson is senior critic at rhode island school of design in providence. >> the sense of, are you prepared for the world is indicated by what you have in your pockets. so pockets become a

metaphor for our thinking and anxieties, and beliefs. >> reporter: it is hard to imagine, carlson says, but there was a time before pockets, when women and men alike wore, well, a med evil fannypack. until... >> pocket comes from anglo-norman word, and tailors began to put them into men's hose. that's the first pocket. >> reporter: for men only. but women eventually get theirs. >> by the 17th century they get what are called tie-on pockets, and they are pockets that are flat to the hip, which you would wear under your skirt. and you would reach your pocket through a slit, so that you could access them. oh, my gosh, how does it feel? >> it feels so roomy. >> reporter: and pockets could contain secrets. there are stories of pockets being banned during the french revolution, a time that ushered in a fashion

revolution. women began to dawn neoclassical dresses, unwelcome to pockets. fashion designers thus began to sew the begins of 200 years of sartorial inequality. and it denied women some potent body language. >> that gesture, that cool gesture, you can trace to when men first get suits and can put their hands in their pockets. >> reporter: images like these were seen as scandalous in their time. poet walt whitman posing defiantly. and this portrait, called "the thinker," was deemed vulgar for thrusting both hands into this pocket. >> your hands are right near your genitals, and it was increased absolutely bad manners. >> reporter: hands in pockets may have been seen

as rude, but they also signaled self-possession. and women wanted to get their hands on that. >> when women get pants, that's when they really get to explore that gesture. >> reporter: coco chanel started creating her version of menswear with pockets. >> it is the height of chic for evening wear. >> she has the cigarette and the hand in the pocket, like, okay, i can do it, too. >> reporter: but for all that swagger, women's fashion has more often left women out of pockets, which sends the same message it has for centuries: that women don't need to move as freely as men, and they don't have the same power of purchase. recent studies depict the pocket disparity.

>> we have had this debate for over a century. for a century and a half we've been really upset that women don't have pockets. and it still hasn't been addressed until now. >> reporter: look. >> oh, my gosh, there is no pocket. >> reporter: meet julie sygiel, founder of the pockets project. >> i decided i'm on a quest to deepen women's pockets. >> reporter: she decided to conduct an experiment of her own. >> this is a pair of women's pants, not even four inches deep the men's pants, right next to it, is eight inches deep. on average, men's pockets were three inches deeper. >> reporter: check out what passes today as pants for girls and for boys. and when girls grow up, sygiel points out, it can create challenges in the workplace. >> when their work clothes don't have pockets, they

can either shop up with a mess of things in their hands, or they can bring a bag with them, which is this visible signal that you're a woman in the room. >> reporter: which is why every dress she designs has at least eight and a half inch pockets with reinforced seams for work and life. >> you never know when you might want to carry a bottle of wine around with you. >> reporter: the pockets project predicts progress. >> women are valuable. women have valuables, and we deserve deep pockets. we've earned them. ♪ ♪ i've got my hand in my pocket ♪ >> reporter: and so for 500 years humble pockets have carried our secrets and desires. they've empowered us. the history of the pocket, it turns out, is more than deep. it's profound.

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over 50 years those words became something of a promise that we were about to see ourselves at our best -- >> what do you need speech class for? you talk fine. >> reporter: -- at our worst. >> touch that phone and i'll bite, and i've got rabies. >> reporter: and all of those complicated, all too human places in between. >> i bled on my wig, my clothes, and all of my makeup has come off. do i have any eyebrows left? >> mike's approach as a director was: make it real, make it recognizable, and go towards the people, the talent, the actors, the writers that you love. >> reporter: his own tale began improbably, says mike harris, the author of a new biography about nichols. >> mike nichols' life story is the story of someone who started with the odds pretty well stacked against him. >> reporter: as he explained to lesley stahl

tal on 60 minutes, when he was born in berlin in 1931, nichols wasn't even his name. >> it was michael igor peschkowsky, and my father was a doctor. and he was russian. and when we came to this country, he said that by the time he spelled his name, the patient was in the hospital. >> reporter: nichols' jewish family fled nazi germany just before world war ii. mike was just seven and spoke barely any english. not only that -- >> mike was hairless. he had a childhood reaction to a vaccine that resulted in the loss of all of his hair. >> reporter: he was bald for his whole life? >> he was bald since he was four years old. >> reporter: so a refugee, english as a second language, being bald from a young age, he must have felt like an outsider? >> yes. mike later credited his style of comedy with how much he had to learn how to be a kid and learn how

to be an american by watching other kids. ♪ >> reporter: at the university of chicago, he began coming into his own, performing in plays and struck a near instant connection with fellow student elaine may. >> mike saw elaine at a train station. he sat down and he pretended that he was a secret agent and she was a secret agent, and she picked right up on it. it was like two people discovering they spoke the same secret language. and they were really inseparable after that. >> reporter: it was an improvisation? >> an improvisation before people would even use the word "improvisation." >> reporter: their brand of observational comedy made them famous. >> they were only in their mid-to-late 20s when they kind of took off overnight. >> it is suicidally beautiful tonight. [laughter] >> reporter: their

sketches, like this one about the awkward negotiations of teens on a first date, became classics. they performed on broadway, grew weary of the grind and decided to part ways for a time. nichols needed a new gig. playwright neil simon needed help with his new comedy. >> mike realizes he is a director and this is what he is meant to be on day one of rehearsals for the first play he ever directed, "barefoot in the park." >> reporter: nichols directed elizabeth ashley and a young robert redfield, not to play it for laughs, but to play it as tru truthfully as possible. >> he wanted you to believe that you were watching two people, almost spying on them, in the privacy of their own sixth floor studio apartment. >> reporter: the play was a hit, and nichols won a tony, and the other for

"the odd couple." and at the ripe old age of 33, he headed west. for his film directing debut, he is directing two actors who are sort of famous? >> right. the first time behind the camera, mike nichols takes on "who is afraid of virginia woolf." >> what a dump. >> with indisputablely the most famous couple, elizabeth taylor and richard burton. >> reporter: how did he know what the hecking to heck t? >> mike would say he didn't know what to do. >> reporter: an but he wasn't shy about his demands. but his bedside manner, with his super-star couple, ensured that the studio said yes. it was a critical and box office triumph. >> oh, gosh!

>> reporter: for his next film, "the graduate," nichols cast an unknown, dustin hoffman, about an english college grad having an affair with an older woman. >> mrs. robinson, do you think we can say a few words to each other this time? >> i don't think we have much to say. >> reporter: it awakened a whole new group of movie-goers. >> it was, by far, the most important friendship that i think i ever had. he was sort of the arts and of whit and of generosity. >> how about it, susan? what are you so afraid of? >> not you. >> reporter: for 1971's "carnal knowledge," nichols cast his long-time friend,

candice bergen. >> i was so young when i did "carnal knowledge" i didn't even know what it was about until i saw it at mike's house 10 years later, and i went, oh, my gosh! >> reporter: nichols was accustomed to living large by then. >> caviar and fois gras, he loved luxury and affluence. >> reporter: and arabian horses. >> i think he felt insulated by money. >> reporter: mike nichols had flops, more than a few. but the theater always welcomed him back. >> i have an education. i have a ph.d. i can't do (bleep) with. i stay high so i don't get mad. >> reporter: he brought a little known whoopi goldberg to broadway. nichols went back stage to meet her and burst into tears. >> sometimes people ask me

what makes mike different than other directors? and loving talent so much that you burst into tears is a mike thing. it is not a director thing. [bells ringing] >> reporter: with 1983's "silkwood," he became a long-time collaboration with meryl streep. he said meryl streep woke me up, what did he mean? >> when he started to work with meryl streep, i think he met an actor completely naturally in sync with his approach as a director. how do i make this real? >> reporter: when he was 56, mike nichols married, for the fourth time, journalist diane sawyer. >> there was the mike before diane and the mike after diane. she brought out the best in him, which was great. ♪ everyone can see we're together ♪ >> reporter: and just when most careers begin

slowing, his, once again, flourished. >> you do fosse, fosse, fosse. >> reporter: "the bird cage" was one of his biggest hits. and in 2012, he won a tony, his tenth, for directing "death of a salesman." >> a salesman has to dream. it goes with the territory. >> reporter: by the time of his death, two years later at 83, the outsider who mimed real life was the embodiment of the hollywood "a" list, and, says candice bergen, a cherished friend. >> a few of us had a dinner after he died. a celebration of mike. it was hard to keep it to 300 people. and everyone of the people at the party, he had been instrumental in helping them in their career or

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left, harry on the right. they really did cuddle like that. but the story isn't just about a romance between two bull terriers. it's a kind of only in new york fairytale that i found myself part of. because it is true, the happily ever after part is messy. ♪ >> but it does start as so many fairytales do, with a magical bit of serendipity. here, early on a saturday morning, in the summer of 2016, at new york city's largest farmers' market. [barking] >> a little rambunctious, this is roxy. >> we're certain dogs and their people show up at the same time every week, including another bull terrier. >> he really put a big, big joy in my heart.

>> suddenly i spotted an old dog-walking acquaintance i hadn't seen in a year of two, and had never seen at the farmers' market, stephen miller siegel, with his dog. >> i said, hi, martha, how are you? where is your other dog. >> a few months before, goose, minnie's companion for most of her life, died. >> and you said, i'm looking for an older male because minnie is lonely. it is almost like the heavens had opened up. >> why, because carol, his friend for 30 years, was dying of liver cancer. the result of living practically next door to 9/11. nobody wanted her 11 and a half-year-old dog, harry. >> she had made me promise if we couldn't find a home for harry, that i would put him down, which was an

extremely difficult conversation to have with her. >> if i had been standing somewhere else, if i had been there at 8:45 instead of 8:30, if it had been raining and minnie and i had stayed home, steven would not have seen us, and none of this would ever have happened. i googled carol fertig, her apartment was featured in elle decor magazine. she was a big-league designer of many things. >> when carol walked down the street, people noticed her. she was bigger than life. >> carol took this picture of the dogs on their first date. but sadly, there are no pictures of us with harry and minnie. looking through my phone, there are glimpses of carol. as the dogs' courtship heated up, and visits to my apartment became frequent.

we were like mothers, playing match maker, and long after harry and minnie actually fell in love, we kept on playing bay carol and i quickly became close friends. she designed a special coat of arms for sir harry fertig, and made one for minnie, too, because minnie thought she was a glamorous movie star and maybe a princess. one night carol came to dinner fairly early on, when she was feeling pretty well, and she pulled out her mary poppins huge carrier bag, this. it had belonged to carol's first bull terrier. carol said harry wanted minnie to have it. and i said, does it upset you to give away your treasuries? and she said, no, it gives me pleasure. >> the gift of her friendship was the greatest of the treasures

carol gave away. to, among others, the woman from her apartment building who used their games as an excuse to dress up, all of them eager for news from carol about the dogs. >> we all wanted it to happen, and if it were a movie, we were glued to our screens. any time she would get an e-mail from you, she would be giddy, like a child. >> as carol got sicker, lis huh-lissa hussian and two others picked up the thankless job of caring for carol. >> carol made us these, that we all wore. carol has told us that she was dying, and that's why we all held on to these, because i think that is when you know that it's not going to be forever. >> it was over so soon. i had harry for 16 months,

and then he was gone, too. when i took minnie to the farmers' market in october, she hadn't been up to going for a long time. ever the actress, she rose to the occasion as if she knew it would be her last great performance. less than three weeks later, she was dead. i didn't want my new york fairytale about puppy love and unexpected friendship to end, so i wrote about it. and now, thanks to one more uncanny coincidence, i have girlie, but that's another story.

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friendship are front and center. >> every week, andy gullahorn goes for a walk, and every week, about a mile and a half away, his friend, gabe scott, does the same thing at the same time. they walk towards each other, and when they meet, it is the weirdest thing. you see that? clap, snap, high-five. and then often they simply walk home. the whole exercise is their way of saying hi. you realize people have telephones and you can just call your buddy. >> we should have been doing that this whole time. [laughter] >> and picking up the phone is great, but i have friends who literally would walk through the rain and snow just to give me a high-five. i wish everybody would feel that feeling. >> reporter: andy and gabe are musicians in nashville, they met at a concert in 2000 and became friends. they got together on occasion, but not as often as they would have liked. so they invented this bit of silliness a year and a

half ago. andy has a log of every encounter, including the one that was nearly there last. >> it was high-five number 312. >> gabe was hospitalized with a severe form of encephalitis. it caused his brain to swell and robbed him of his past. >> i pretty much forgot my life. >> you're whole life? >> yeah. >> and that's when his buddy, andy, now a virtual stranger, came to visit. >> he said, gabe, this is going to sound really weird, but i need you to do something for me, give me a high-five. and he was like, okay. >> and when the moment happened, my body did what it had been doing for years, snap, high-five. >> that was in september, and since then a lot of his memories have returned, but few more cherished than this silly tradition, which doesn't seem so silly anymore. >> it is really special to

have something so special, a memory, that means so much. >> andy even wrote a song about their ritual. ♪ take a walk with me on monday morning ♪ >> it is a reminder that going out of your way for someone is still the straightest path to an ever-lasting friendship. ♪ going small feels better ♪ ♪ there is really no small thing ♪ [a[applause] >> thahank you verery much. ♪♪ ♪♪ sfx:x: [sounds o of fedex plps anand vehicles engines]] ♪ sfx: [sosounds of chchildren laughing and runningng,

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christmas. he is that actor who you've seen everywhere. often stealing scenes. sometimes entire movies. >> all right, everyone, curb your loins. >> reporter: it has earned him a cult following, though he claims he doesn't understand it. >> yeah, people are saying that now. i don't know what that is. >> reporter: i think it means you have people who watch your films for you, even if you're not in the starring role. >> i guess that people really like the variety of the performances. and that's what i'm sort of reveling in. i love that. >> reporter: from an ideal husband to meryl streep to julia child to a

deranged serial killer in "the lovely bones." >> i want to get a second opinion. >> reporter: a role that won tucci an oscar nomination, and now supernova, in which he and colin firth play a middle-aged gay couple. >> i told you no matter what happens, i did not want to lose control of my life. >> reporter: tucci's character is suffering from early onset dementia. >> i'm losing control. >> reporter: one of the things that is interesting is that the sexuality of the two men characters is not a theme in the film at all. it is a universal love story. >> yeah. people are starting to come around and understand that love is just love. >> if you had one wish in the world, what would it be? >> i wish this holiday wouldn't end. >> reporter: tucci helped get the film made, including sending the script to his friend, colin firth. >> i'm on the edge, no more on the edge. [laughter]

>> i haven't played a number of gay characters, you want to do it so that in a relationship with any character, you want to play it truthfully. >> reporter: it has been said that gay roles should be played by gay actors. what do you make of that? >> i have difficulty with that. i think that acting is all about not being yourself. if we were to use that as a template, then we would only ever play ourselves. i think what we need to do, we need to give more gay actors opportunities. people who are gay have only recently, in the last few years, really, have been able to say i'm gay and i'm an actor, and i can play straight roles -- they always had to hide their sexuality so they could play the leading man or the leading woman. >> reporter: tucci was born in a suburb north of new york city to an

italian-american family. he started his career on the stage, but was hungry for roles in film and television. what he didn't want, he told us, were the parts playing violent mafiosos, normally offered to italian-americans. >> i didn't want to play that person all the time. there are brilliant movies made about the mafia, but how often do they come along? most of just cheap ripoffs of the brilliant movies. >> reporter: in frustration, he says, he co-wrote, co-directed and starred in "big night," a very different type of story about italian-americans. >> it is what the costumers ask for. make the pasta. make it, make it, make it. >> reporter: two immigrant brothers struggling to survive in the new jersey restaurant business in the 1950s. the film also starred some

of tucci's family recipes. >> what is that? >> reporter: the film helped get tucci noticed and was also just the beginning of his very public obsession with food. >> i grew up in a family that put great importance on food. it was everything. it seemed it was just about the only thing we talked about. >> reporter: tucci has offered two cookbooks, has a food memoir on the way, and recently filmed a series on cnn about italian food in italy.[speakingn language] >> reporter: how good a cook are you out of 10? >> with certain dishes, 11, but with a lot of stuff, i'm okay. i'm an okay cook, maybe a five. >> reporter: at 60, tucci seems to be savoring

his success, but he has also experienced horrendous loss. his wife, kate, the mother of their three children, succumbed to cancer at the age of 47. >> you never stop grieving. you never stop grieving. and it is still hard, after 11 years, still hard, and it will always be hard. but you can't let it -- and she would never want any of us to sort of wallow in that grief and let it take over our lives. she would never want that. she wasn't like that. >> reporter: in recent years, he has found love again with felicity blunt, a british literary agent, who is also the sister of emily blunt, tucci's co-star in "the devil wears prada". and his very british wife and their two young children is how this quintessential new yorker ended up living here in london, where he is

enjoying yet another cult moment. he posted ann graham video of himself during lockdown, which quickly went viral. followed by more cocktails, garnering millions of views. why do so many people want to watch you mixing cocktails? >> i have no idea. >> reporter: do you really have no idea? >> honestly, i don't. i don't. why do you think? >> reporter: i don't want to be inappropriate, but they're quite sultry. >> really? >> reporter: yeah. the role >> the role has a lot f sexual comments. i'm incredibly flattered. you are incredibly flattered when people are sort of going gaga over you. asasking for s science, nonot .

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>> rocca: some 60 years after her death, the voice of billie holiday, also known as lady day, has lost none of its power to move an audience. now a singer of our own time, also by the name of day, is portraying the fabled jazz singer and a new movie. here is tracy smith. ♪ >> reporter: in 1957, the cbs program "the sound of jazz" captured billie holiday at her best. ♪ my man don't love me ♪ ♪ he treats me oh, so

mean ♪ >> reporter: singing about love and heartbreak as only she could. ♪ my man, he don't love me ♪ ♪ he treats me awful mean ♪ >> reporter: but the song lady day made most famous had nothing to do with love. ♪ the trees, they're a strange fruit ♪ >> reporter: "strange fruit," first recorded in 1939, was a protest song about the lynching of african-americans in the south. ♪ in the southern breeze ♪ ♪ strange fruit hanging from the topless tree ♪ >> reporter: the song rankeld some elements of

and she was told to stop singing that song. and the feds communicated this to her, stop singing the song. >> stop singing the song. >> reporter: and she said? >> okay, bye. see you in church. >> reporter: lee daniels is the force behind "the united states versus billie holiday." >> she is starting people to think the wrong things. >> you all got a plan? >> she is a drug addict. >> reporter: a new film about lady day's prosecution by what was then the federal bureau of narcotics. >> they se sent her to jail, planted drugs on her, they gave her boyfriend and manager drugs to plant on her. they were after her. >> they won't let me sing, no money, no nothing. >> reporter: the lead role of billie holiday is practically inhabited by

singer/songwriter andra day. she picked the name years ago as an homage to lady day. and this is her first acting job, ever. so when you first heard about this role playing billie holiday, did you think, i have to do this? >> no. i thought i definitely have to get out of this somehow. i have to not do this. there is probably no better way to say this, i didn't want to suck. >> reporter: and you thought you might suck? >> i was certain that i was going to be terrible. >> reporter: and director lee daniels wasn't exactly keen on her, either. >> everyone was telling me i had to meet with her. so i bi begrudgingly met with her. >> reporter: so it was reluctant? >> yeah. i had met some incredible acteds, and i don't like being told what to do.

>> reporter: but daniels says his heart melted once he met her, and she got the part. >> reporter: to make up fr her lack of acting experience, andra became kind of a billie holiday expert. she read just about everything ever printed about her, and carried it in this overstuffed shopping bag. when do you think you're going to throw this away? >> probably never. >> reporter: until now, andra was best known for this song, "rise up." ♪ and i'll rise up ♪ ♪ i'll rise like the day ♪ >> reporter: it might have been the soundtrack of her own upbringing in san diego, california. >> we didn't have much money. oftentimes we didn't have any money. you know, i look back at memories sometimes, things like sleeping in our van, but it is like i don't remember any of that.

as kids, none of that touched us because as kids, our parents made is sure we had a lot of love and sports. >> reporter: her big break came in 2010 when stevie wonder heard her sing, which led to her first album, a pair of grammy nominations, and eventually the role of a lifetime. ♪ them that's got shall get ♪ >> reporter: you may remember the first pic about billie holiday, 1972s "lady sings the blues," with diana ross and billy dewilliams. >> i saw lady sings the blues when i was 13 years old in philadelphia. that movie inspired me to become a director. i had never seen anything like it. it was two black people in love. diana ross, billy dee

williams. fashion and music. it felt like the world i knew, and i had never seen that before. >> reporter: but daniels says the story he wanted to tell was how billie holiday risked her career and her freedom for civil rights. >> why is the government always after you? >> my song, "strange fruit." it reminds them that they're killing us. >> reporter: do you hope that this changes how people see billie holiday? >> yeah. yeah. they see her as a badass. they see her as a hero, a civil rights hero. >> you've got to understand. >> reporter: but the film doesn't pull any punches in showing the

reality of billie holiday's life, a woman who endured decades of abuse and drug abuse until her untimely death at just 44. with when spoke to andra day recently, it was clear that the ride hasn't quite ended. it is life-changing totally? >> completely life, changing. life-changing, and i get very, very emotional speaking about it because i'm very grateful to everybody onset. >> reporter: what gets to you? >> i'm not ready to let her go. >> reporter: why do you think that is, you're not ready to let her go? >> there were places of freedom that i feel like i was able to go to as her that i was never comfortable going in mip my own personal life. i'm sorry. >> reporter: that's okay. but andra told us that the torment was worth it, and

right now her name is part of just about every conversation about awards. and this is always an awkward question, but i'm going to ask you anyway. >> okay. >> reporter: you know there is oscar buzz? >> i've been hearing little birdies here and there. >> reporter: billie holiday knew that if you risk nothing, you gain nothing. and it seems the woman who plays her knows that, too. >> she trusted me, and i trusted her. and she was willing to jump off the ledge with me. that's rare, when you can find an actor to jump off the ledge with you, you end up with billie holiday. ♪ nobody's business if i do ♪ [applause and cheering] community y looks likeke. ♪♪

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