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the stuff of nightmares, which it turns out might not be such a bad thing after all. as tracy smith will explain. >> reporter: for people in the horror business, nightmares are a badge of honor. do people come up to you and say, you gave me nightmares? >> yeah. the highest compliment is, you gave me nightmares. you don't make horror movies so people can go, you make me feel so good. >> reporter: so can bad dreams be a good thing? coming up on sunday morning. nightmares, nothing to be afraid of. >> pauley: they're one of the most successful bands in pop history music, and now abba is back. our seth doane paid them a visit. ♪♪ >> reporter: as band reunions go, it is one for the ages. ♪ friday night ♪ >> reporter: the guys behind abba say it didn't feel like 40 years.

>> we went into the studio, and there was that distinctive abba sound immediately. ♪ i believe it would be fair to say ♪ >> reporter: a comeback, later this "sunday morning." >> pauley: hillary clinton aide huma abedin's life was turned upside down when her husband's political career exploded in shame. norah o'donnell speaks with a very private person about surviving a very public scandal. >> this is your first television interview? >> yes. >> o'donnell: for 25 years, she has been mostly invisible as a top aide to hillary clinton, but she became painfully visible when her husband, congressman anthony weiner, began secting with other women again and again. huma abedin on her marriage, life in the public eye, and her fears

that if not for her, hillary clinton would have been president. ahead this "sunday morning." >> pauley: lee cowan introduces us to a photographer who turned super kids into super heros. martha teichner gets the inside story on spooky houses. luke burbank talks with actor kal penn about his journey from hollywood to the white house. and david pogue wows us withea young man who has some of our greatest magicians asking, how did he do that? plus steve hartman and thoughts on being prepared for the afterlife. all this sunday morning of halloween, october 31st, 2021. we'll be back in a moment.

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nights to sweet dreams. >> reporter: as if the real world wasn't scary enough, we celebrate our fears every october. on halloween, the creepy costumes come out. and every year it seems hollywood trots out a new movie with a familiar plotline. hollywood kills is the 12th, yep, the 12th installment since 1978. and you probably remember your first halloween mout bvi difid it givference. >> let's start with a definition, what is a nightmare? >> most people think nightmares are just about fear, but they can be really any negative emotion. >> reporter: dream expert leslie ellis. >> for a lot of people, it is really bad dreams that

wake you up and they're very vivid and easy to recall. >> reporter: in fact, nightmares, like some movies, can be hard to forget. at least some of these films, like the one with freddie krueger here, were actually inspired by nightmares. >> if i have a nightmare, i'm so excited, the first thing i want to do is write it down because it is this gold mine of imagery you would never get otherwise. >> reporter: director eli roth knows, as a kid growing up in boston, he was obsessed with horror films. his early drawings were filled with scary movie scenes. and he had himself sawed in half at his bar mitzvah, much to the dismay of his relatives. >> i was just a weird, weird kid. >> reporter: and that weird kid grew up to host el reli roth's history of horror. it is a show about the

kind of movies that you'll see in your sleep. >> none of us like having nightmares, but they're actually very healthy to have because you're acknowledging something you're afraid of and you're letting it out and expressing it. i take it a step further and i write it down and film it and share it with everybody else. >> reporter: roth even played a character who tried to give nazis nightmares. a jewish-american soldier with a baseball bat. of course, you don't always need a bat to knock an audience out. ♪♪ >> good morning. >> reporter: sometimes the image of pure evil is enough to keep people up at night. >> the census taker once tried to test me. reporter: talk about

nightmares. this is the actual set that was used in the filming of 1991's the "silence of the lambs", the only horror movie to win a best picture oscar. how many of us have been told you shouldn't watch horror movies because it will give you nightmares. well, it turns out nightmares can actually be a good thing. some experts say there is really no such thing as a bad dream. >> that's kind of a controversial statement, but, yes, i believe that all dreams are trying to help us sort through our emotional lives. sometimes they represent physical illness that the dreaming sort of picks up on early warning signs. >> reporter: in other words, our brains help sort out the day's events and anxieties, big and small, while we're asleep. when our dreams scare us, we like to figure out what

they mean, but it is not that simple. >> really, we don't put a lot of stock in, like, trying to understand the meaning of nightmares or anything like that. that is also kind of older fraudian psychology, and it is not very scientific. >> reporter: back up. so all of this dream interpretation that we've done, okay, if my teeth are falling out, what does it mean? you guys don't really rely on that? >> we don't. 100 years ago they did, but there is no scientific evidence to suggest that any of that stuff is valid, so we really don't worry about that anymore. >> reporter: psychology professor jon abramowitz says dreams shouldn't be taken literally. what matters more is what is causing them in the first place. he runs an anxiety research clinic at the university of north carolina, chapel hill, and says we can contain our nightmares in real life by confronting them. that is what leah here is doing. she is the person on the right, and she wanted to get over her deathly fear

of spiders. >> awesome. >> reporter: she allowed the clinic to record her session with a tarantula. >> he's moving towards me. >> reporter: at first, she tried to stay as far away from it as possible, even crawling under the desk. >> oh, my gosh. >> reporter: but after about three hours, she realized that the spider wasn't going to bite her. >> where is your anxiety from one to 10? >> i don't know. i can't think. >> reporter: and she was able to manage her anxiety enough to let the spider take a walk on her arm. >> aahh! >> reporter: so in the same way that you encourage people with anxiety to lean into their fears, if we're concernt about ouro them? >> we should. and an affective treatment involves having the person recount their nightmares, writing them out, engaging with them in a healthy way, rather than trying to

push them away. lots of research suggests that when we try to push away our private experiences, thoughts, emotions, that just makes them worse because then we become reoccupied with trying to push them away. and those experiences endn-up js around, bossing us around, more than they need to. >> reporter: so embrace your nightmares? absolutely says director eli roth. there is clearly something beneficial in facing these fears, facing our nightmares head-on. what do you think it is? >> i think there is a human need to confront our fears so that we realize that it is not nearly as bad as we thought, and that is stopping us from being our highest self. >> reporter: and the take-away here may be as cliche as the car that won't start in a horror movie: follow your dreams, even the ones that scare you.

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>> pauley: lee cowan this morning focuses on the real super heros among us. >> this is a total movie poster right there. >> reporter: josh rossi, he may not look like a caped crusader, but he has a side kick: a camera. >> usually i take about 500 to 1,000 per kid. >> reporter: and he has a super power, too: his

eye. [laughter] >> reporter: he can focus it with super human accuracy to turn this... >> are you batman? >> reporter: ...to this. all in a flash. >> yeah! >> i thought it was just going to be the photos that were cool, but they put on the costumes and totally transformed. >> reporter: by day, he is a commercial photographer in salt lake city. a few years back, he and his wife, roxanna, turned their daughter into super woman for fun. >> we sent it to a friend and he wasn't supposed to post it. >> reporter: but he did. >> and the next morning we got a call from "people magazine." >> reporter: they started asking the

rossis to turn their kids into heros, too. one request stood out. >> one said my daughter has cancer. she is a real wonder woman. we would love if you did a photo shoot of her. >> reporter: and so you did? >> yes. >> you know when you feel like you have a calling, like i was meant to do this. >> how are you doing? >> good. >> reporter: ever since, they've been turning tiny people battling huge challenges into the super heros they are. >> perfect. >> reporter: chloe mccarty, for example, is living with a severe cognitive impairment, but yet as wonder woman, she looked ferociously focused. >> for her to have the experience of being the hero and being the one out in front is pretty cool. >> yeah. yeah. it is a gift. >> reporter: 8-year-old bridger penney can't walk

or talk. >> work it. work it! >> reporter: but as superman, he seemed to fly. >> he is superman through and through. he is super hero in every sense of the word. >> reporter: superman is a pretty popular c 2017,gan peit became the man of steel, just one member of the justice league kids. >> you're going to be, like, floating in the air. [laughter] >> reporter: when he was born, his parents, ryan and britain, were told he had to options: he could fight or... >> and the other option was to go ahead and take him home and he would pass away in weekend. and, you know, when you're faced with all of those options and decisions and you just barely had a baby, it is pretty overwhelming. >> reporter: teagan fought through countless procedures. [yelling] >> reporter: justice league kids went viral. >> superman!

[applause and cheering] >> reporter: teagan was just nine then. he is 13 now. and he still has that suit as a reminder of a time when he stopped looking at his heart as his kryptonite and instead saw a difference, as power. >> after that, i was, like, owe yeah, it's cool. so instead of making me different in a bad way, after the superman thing, it made me different in a cool way. >> we're missing the eyes. wait. wait. wait. >> reporter: all of this comes out of the rossi's own pockets. the costumes alone can cust up to $1500 a piece. they're all custom made for each kid. their kindness isn't just for those suffering disabilities, either. in 2018, this shoot, featuring 15 kids as the

avengers, was all about asin bulli a >> rorter: bennere, wow that's crazy, we're sorry and they left me alone. >> reporter: they really apologized? wow. yep, lives changed by re-imagining the way they see themselves. costumes don't always have to mask our real selves. >> look at you. that's you. >> reporter: sometimes, as the rossi's have shown, they can bring out our hearts, too. >> people see the photos, what do the photos do? they're just t photos, but they have a deep emotional impact. >> if we can help them forget about their disease, their illness, for a few hours, it is all worth it.

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living, yes, photographing abandoned houses. >> if there was going to be a haunted house, it would probably be this one, i'll say that. >> reporter: halloween is his kind of holiday. >> i love horror movies. i love horror, and i love old architecture. >> reporter: this grand old wreck in eastern connecticut was irresistible, because it was in the 1971 horror horrorflick "let's scare jessica to death." sanssansivero has ground rules, no entering unless doors or windows are wide open. no taking anything out, or for that matter, bring anything in to stage his pictures. no need for that. just look at what he has found: eerie, mysterious

time capsules, rooms that look as if their occupants just up and left, taking nothing with them decades ago. a new book of bryan sansivero's photographs is out, of course, today, halloween. >> you see stuff online, google maps, you'll find stuff from above, satellite view, in rural areas mostly. i'll look at the roof, i'll look for dead trees, and then you go into street view, and you can see these houses from the front and you can say, oh, that's definitely abandoned. >> reporter: the best ones, he thinks, are on the east coast, especially in the south. he has photographed over 500. some he has found on his own. others, through friends. >> there is definitely a big community of urban explorers established online through instagram, facebook, lots of

different websites where you can meet people, talk to people about houses, locations. >> reporter: but out of respect for the houses, he is careful. >> so i try to keep to myself at a lot of the locations because, you know, you've got to trust the people that you give locations to because you don't know who they're going there with, what the intentions are. this is a rollieflex from 1959, so the pictures will have a nice vintage look to it. that is just something that i love. >> reporter: this house, also in eastern connecticut, probably dates back to the 1700s. it looks like family photographs. >> yeah. >> reporter: here is a calendar. may 1963. >> you definitely feel a sense of sadness, almost like a sense of loss, because you're seeing all of these things left behind. and you realize that a family used to live here. >> reporter: strange because it looks like somebody got out of bed and disappeared. >> yep. >> reporter: often

someone who has died and no one is left to live in the home. ooh, it smells really funky. or maintain it. this is clearly the way somebody left it. >> there are spider webs on the vines. >> reporter: that looks like halloween. >> and look at the bird's nest up in the corner there. >> reporter: oh, look at that. bryan sansivero has photographed houses and then come back and found them gone, which makes what he does feel important. >> i feel like my pictures are part of the legacy in the fact that they are preserving how it once look or how it may have looked the last time someone lived there. so in a way, my pictures are art but also it is preserving the history. >> reporter: and where does he live? next to an abandoned orphanage, a spooky hoke

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interview? >> yes. >> o'donnell: you've never done an interview like this before. >> that's correct. >> o'donnell: why are you speaking out now? >> i think for most of my adult life, certainly the last 25 years that i've been in public service or in the public eye, i have been the invisible person behind the primary people in my life, but what i realize is that if you don't tell your story, somebody else is writing your history. >> o'donnell: huma abedin's story is as unlikely as it is extraordinary. from the pinnacles of power as a top aide to hillary clinton to the depths of public scandal, as the wife of disgraced former congressman anthony weiner. you were born in america and raised in saudi arabia? >> yes. >> o'donnell: her new book is called "both/and," published by viacomcbs. she writes about a life lived in many words. a young girl raised in a sheltered muslim

environment, who traveled the globe. her mother from pakistan; her father from india. both professor, both fullbright scholars. >> we spent our entire childhood traveling to different countries and cultures and languages. and my father's entire perspective on the world was exploring the other. >> o'donnell: she studied at the george washington university. you're an intern your senior year, and three weeks before you graduate, they offer you a job. >> they offered me a job. >> o'donnell: that internship and the job was for the clinton administration. >> i would walk through the gates and think, i can't believe i'm here. >> reporter: she become an aide to hillary clinton, and eventually her chief-of-staff, and it turned into a 25-year career. abedin was by hillary clinton's side when she was a senator, secretary of state, and presidential candidate. if hillary clinton were here and i would ask her what does she most value about huma abedin, what do

you thun think she would say? >> i think she would say her loyalty, and i think that about her. i have tes-- >> o'donnehow? >> i made her life difficult with things that happened in my personal life. when you first met anthony weiner, what did you know about him? >> i knew he was on the new york congressional delegation, he was this outspoken, outgoing eligible batc bachelor, but i knew actually very little. >> o'donnell: she wrote after their first kiss, her head started spinning and didn't stop. it was her first serious relationship, and they began discussing marriage, and he made a starting confession, and she made a startling discovery. you pick up his blackberry? >> yes. >> o'donnell: and what did you find? >> a text from a woman, a

very flirtacious text, and i was shocked. and i said, what is this? can you explain this to me? and he did. he was a public personality, and that people communicated with him all of the time. >> o'donnell: but you write in h hindsight it was a warning sign? >> in hindsight it was a warning. >> o'donnell: still, that married. anthony is jewish, and bill clinton makes a joke and says what? [laughter] >> if every wedding is a wonder, then this one is a miracle. >> o'donnell: less than a year later, abedin was pregnant and then the first of many shocks. that same month, may of 2011, weiner's twitter feed showed a picture that he apparently posted of him in his underwear. and he lies to you about it? >> he does. >> did i send the photograph. i did not. it was a prank, a hoax.

>> o'donnell: and then he tells you the truth. >> yes. >> o'donnell: the truth is he meant to send the photograph to a woman but mistakenly sent it to thousands of followers. >> i'm going to try to be a better husband, too. >> o'donnell: weiner resigned and entered therapy. sometimes with abedin. their son was born. you go from being behind behind the scenes to someone who is on the front pages of newspapers here in new york city. what did it mean losing your anonimity? >> i liked my anonimity a lot. i don't read anything about myself. >> i've also learned some tough lessons. >> o'donnell: he decided to run for mayor of new york and got off to a good start. he was in the lead. >> he was in the lead. >> o'donnell: anthony weiner could have been the mayor of new york city. >> i have many things to say about anthony, but i always believed he is somebody who loves his

city and has brilliant ideas. >> o'donnell: just when you think that the surprises are over, it comes out that your husband is texting again? >> yes. >> o'donnell: using the alias carlos danger with a woman whose name is sydney leathers, sending her explicit photos. what happens to your world? >> well, my world exploded again. in the most unexpected, shocking, humiliating, horrible way. we crossed a threshold. it was just surviving at that point. >> o'donnell: while rarely appearing on the campaign trail, abedin did speak at a press conference. >> i have forgiven him. i believe in him. >> o'donnell: the now infamous press conference, and you're by his side -- >> i made the decision -- that was a decision i made for me, for our son, and for our family.

>> o'donnell: were you okay? >> yes. everyone was calling me and saying -- people who loved me were calling me and saying don't do this. >> o'donnell: hillary didn't want you to do it. >> i think if i talked to hillary or my mother, they would have advised me against doing it. >> o'donnell: you purposely didn't take their calls? >> i didn't take their calls. >> o'donnell: there was a campaign videographer, and it later became a documentary. >> can we get a clip of huma stan standing alongside. there is a victim of spousal abuse. >> o'donnell: you looked miserable throughout that campaign. >> i have not watched that documentary. i don't think i ever will. >> o'donnell: you look sad, almost in shock. >> in hindsight, i was a tremendous amount of trauma. >> o'donnell: weiner was trounced, coming in last

place. >> we were two severely broken people. i could see he was completely disintegrating. and we just went into our corners. >> o'donnell: i want you to explain that because i think that context is important because you're abusyou just said you crossed a threshold. >> yeah. >> o'donnell: but you stayed with him, why? >> i think in part it was a financial decision. we moved into a duplex, and anthony took one floor and i took another. we were very concerned about our son and having a stable routine for him. >> o'donnell: it really took a toll on your mental health? >> it did. >> o'donnell: you write that for a brief second you contemplated walking off of subway platform? >> one of the best things i've had in my life is faith, and the belief there is always a way through. >> o'donnell: she later found evidence that weiner's affairs were not just apparently online.

>> i found communications with women, and it was quite devastating. >> o'donnell: i know it is hard for you to say it, but you found he was having physical relationships in your apartment? >> yes. >> o'donnell: it seems like betrayal after betrayal after betrayal. >> it was that moment that i realized the way i had been handling my response to him was not working. >> o'donnell: by 2016, anthony weiner and huma abedin were officially separated. a month after hillary clinton became the democratic nominee for president, yet another bombshell. this picture of weiner in bed with their young son was leaked. that triggered an investigation by child protective services. their showing up at your apartment all of the time, checking on the well-being of your son. were you worried you would lose your son? >> yes. ask any parent what it

feels like that somebody is judging whether you're a fit parent and whether you can keep your child. it is hard to put in words. >> o'donnell: a few weeks later, her two lives truly came crashing together. weiner was caught sexting with an underaged girl, and there were e-mails involving hillary clinton on his laptop. just 11 days before the election, f.b.i. director james comey announced he was reopening an investigation into clinton's e-mails. he would finally close the probe two days before election day, but many consider the damage has been done. you write: "this man weiner was going to ruin me, and now he was going to jeopardize hillary clinton's chances of winning the presidency." you called him and said what? >> anthony, i said, if she loses this election it will be because of you and me. that night i wrote one line in my notebook: "i do not know how i am going to

survive this. help me, god." >> i just received a call from secretary clinton. >> o'donnell: it all ended, of course, with hillary clinton losing to donald trump. the debate over what caused her defeat, h however, has never ended. >> o'donnell: climated hillaryclinton could be in her second term at president right now. >> that is something that crosses my mind probably more than it does her. i think i'll take that to my grave. >> o'donnell: when you say take it to your grave, do you mean because you think about something you could have done to help fix the situation, make it better, because you're kind of in that fix-it role? >> i have reconciled -- it took me a while to reconcile it is not all my fault. i lived with that, i did. i don't believe that anymore. it is more a sense of an ache in the heart, that it didn't have to be. she uld hae n anexesent.

she really would have. and what it meant for women and girls not jus. >> o'donnell: five years later, huma abedin is still at hillary clinton's side. anthony weiner served 18 months in prison after pleading guilty to transferring obscene materials to a minor. abedin and weiner are finally finalizing their divorce. they still see each other as they raise their son, who is now nine years old. what is your relationship now with anthony weiner? >> we're good. he is my co-parent, and i learned the full truth, i processed it and moved on, and i wish him well. and he, i hope, wishes me well. i think he does. >> o'donnell: you're not angry with him? >> i can't live in that space anymore. i tried that and it almost killed me.

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nuts. and i was just like, that feeling was interesting. >> reporter: interesting because it gave penn, born kalpen suresh modi, a way to navigate his world. going from a self-described skinny brown kid from new hampshire to a movie star. >> prepared to get blazed because i expect both of us to be blitzed out of our skulls. got it? >> got it. >> reporter: and tv shows like "sunnyside." >> when i come back, i'll probably be a little drunk. >> reporter: born in montclair, the child of parents who moved to the u.s. from india, penn didn't see many people who looked like him on american film and tv growing up. >> if you've always grown up seeing people who looked like you on screen, i totally understand people are like, what's the big deal. but to be invisible, it makes you feel like your possibilities might be limited. >> thanks for letting us

take over the classroom. >> reporter: but he found an early champion in high school drama teacher ststephen kazakoff. >> kal had a wonderful way of approaching something. he never quite li looked like he was acting, it looked like he slipped in here and blop belonged in that scene. >> reporter: he honed his skills everywhere, including in front of the metropolitan museum of art. >> we would put on a little hat between the stairs and the fountain and do monologues for tourists. the goal was only to make bus fare back to new jersey. >> reporter: eventually, he earned a spot in ucla's prestigious acting school. >> there was a woman who spoke loudly and slowly: this is the sign-in sheet.

and then in conversation saying something like, well, where is your turbin? and i said, i don't wear a turbin, i'm not sikh. and he said, can you go home and put a bedsheet on your head or something. >> reporter: early on, he faced the impossible choice of trying to avoid stereotypical ro roles while still advancing up the hollywood matter. >> let's do this again. >> reporter: then came harold and kumar, and the features two leads, both asian-american men who speak without accents and have simple goals: to get very high and to visit a white castle. >> i was really happy that this movie was going to be made, whether i had the chance to play him or not. but i needed to figure out how to play him. >> reporter: the movie changed the course of our career, leading to serious roles, like "the

namesake," and a lucrative job on the hit tv show, * * * *"house." >> try moving your finger. your brain needs to get used to doing its job again. try harder. >> reporter: and that's when penn decided to do something highly unexpected: he walked away from acting to campaign for and eventually join the white house staff of barack obama. >> i remember my manager being very perplexed. are you sure you want to do this? i said, sure, it is not a career shift. i'm not going to do it forever. >> reporter: penn worked for two years in the office of public engagement, with a focus on connecting with asian americans and pacific islanders. he details it in his new memoir: "you can't be serious." published by simon & schuster. >> i like public service. that goes back to my grandparents who marched

with gandhi, and those were the dinner table conversations we had. >> reporter: one more thing penn writes about in his new memoir, his partner, josh. it was fairly matter of fact. >> yeah. >> reporter: what was it loolike for you to put that in a book for the world to look at? >> josh and i have been together for 11 years. for me, writing about it -- the tricky thing is it is very matter of fact in our lives. when you're the son of indian immigrants who says you want to be an actor, the chaos that concretes in your family and community will trump everything else always. >> reporter: after leaving the white house, he picked up right where he left off and has been working steadily in tv and film. these days, when kal penn walks around the steps of the met, he gets a somewhat different response than when he was

16. did you always sort of think this was going to happen? >> i really feel incredibly blessed when i have a chance to be part of a project that i'm really passionate about for the same reason i was passionate about "the wiz" in eighth grade. to just make somebody laugh or feel some happiness with other humans in another space and time is a magic to this that i hope never gets old.

>> if anyone has earned a coffee breaks, it is 63-year-old mike mason of midlothian, virginia. he served his country, first as a captain in the marines, and later as the number four man at the f.b.i. >> good afternoon. >> mike left the bureau in 2007, went on to work as an executive at a fortune

500 company, and then th chief operating off but mike says retirement did not sit well with him. >> i still had a mind and istill had things i thought it was capable of doing. >> but if mike was going to start a chapter knew it would have to be something really important, a job with a big payout, worthy of this time. so in the end, the choice was clear. >> how you doing? >> from top of the f.b.i. to head of the b.u. s.. mike mason may be the most overqualified school bus driver in america. >> when i gave them my resume, i got called by a very senior person in the county, and he said, just checking, why do you want to be a bus driver. and i told him. >> he had heard the chesterfield public school district was down 125 drivers, part of a national crisis. in fact, more than half the school districts in

america are reporting severe driver shortages. so mike went all in. he actually waxes his bus. why? >> because that's just how i roll. >> this is the marines coming back? >> it is. but i think this is important work. >> do you sincerely believe that what you're doing today is as important as what you were doing at the f.b.i.? >> i do. i think in our society, we need to get next to the idea there are no unimportant jobs. what can be more important than the attention we pay to our education system. >> so you continue to advance in your career? >> that's exactly right. i'm paid a lot less, but i continue to advance in my career, yes, indeed. >> as for the salary, mike says he already donated all of what he expects to make this year, more than $30,000 to various charities. but, of course, the much bigger gift is far less tangible. mike mason had climbed to the highest level, but by stepping into this job, he has shown true leadership,

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♪ mamma mia ♪ s ♪>> pauley: the music, the costumes, the hair, there is only one abba. and after decades of going their own way, the swedish super group is back. and talking with our seth doane for the record. ♪♪ >> reporter: did you ever really think you'd be back producing and releasing an album again? >> no. >> reporter: and that's coming from abba. ♪ there was something in the air that night ♪ >> reporter: their faces may not be immediately recognizable four decades on, but their music certainly is. ♪ there was something there for you and me ♪ ♪ for liberty, fernando ♪ >> reporter: the swedish

band sold nearly 400 million records. claiming some of the biggest hits, well, ever. ♪ friday night and the lights are low ♪ looking out for a place to go ♪ >> reporter: benny andersson composes the melody -- ♪ you can dance ♪ ♪ having the time of your life ♪ >> that's how it begins. ♪ see that girl, watch that scene ♪ ♪ she's the dancing queen ♪ >> reporter: what are the ingredients for a good pop song? >> i think a pop song should have something that you don't expect it to have. ♪♪ >> you recognize it when you hear it. simple yet very innocent. you ♪wing me, knowing >> rter:joörn ulvaeus writes the lyrics. prest

tense. because abba has a new album, "voyage," coming out this week. ♪ i believe it would be fair to say you look bewildered ♪ >> reporter: it is their first since the group took a break in 1982. >> the years after, it was very quiet. i thought that was the end of it. i honestly did. ♪ i still have faith in you ♪ >> reporter: but these pop stars who defined the '70s and who are now in their 70s reassembled to record in this stockholm studio, where we met. >> bringing the ladies in, we didn't really know what to expect because, i mean, they're not 30 anymore. they're 70 plus. ♪ there was... ♪ >> they came in and they started to sing and it was, like, man

♪♪ >> reporter: you write: memories we share, we need one another. i believe it is still in there. this is a sort of theme song for getting back together? >> yes, it is. it is about us. it is about where we are at this point in life. ♪♪ >> reporter: it was not just music that originally drew these four together. >> it all started with us being two couples who were going on vacations and singing together, but not having the idea to form a group. >> reporter: they took the first letters of their first names and called themselves by that now famous acronym, but sweden was not exactly a music industry springboard. >> it is hard to understand for someone from america or england, that to come out of sweden

at that time was absolutely impossible. you know, guys from sweden? ♪♪ >> reporter: but then those guys from sweden entered the 1974 eurovision song contest. ♪♪ ♪ waterloo ♪ >> reporter: waterloo was the hit that followed that put the swedish band on the global stage. ♪♪ >> reporter: what do you expect when you're on stage playing to an american audience for the first time? >> i had no idea. > it was truly different. >> we needed to create that atmosphere, and then it is going to be good, i think. ♪♪ ♪ you and i know ♪ >> reporter: fans loved it. critics, less so. rolling stone oncm at "muzak"

with rapid lyrics. >> they were harsh, those critics. >> and we had the wrong clothes. >> i had to say, i didn't care much. >> no. no. >> because we had this huge audience that liked our records. >> reporter: the two couples had married but both divorced while the band was still together. how difficult was that? >> not professionally, no. not in the studio, not when we were working. >> reporter: this is the global broadcast exclusive, sitting down with you, but you were the two "b"s in abba. do you wish that the two "a"s were here? >> that would have been wonderful, yes. >> but it was in the deal. >> it is easier to say no to things when you're 74, 75. >> exactly. ♪ knowing me and knowing you ♪ >> reporter: they did say yes to a tour, but one

with a twist: the idea is to recreate abba in the form of digital avatars that will perform with a live band in a specially built arena in london. >> there is something irresistible in this, being able to replicate yourself in zeros and ones and on huge screens with 3,000 people in the audience. it's going to be something spectacular. >> reporter: during a five sq-week recording session with 160 cameras, they had to wear special suits with digital devices to capture every movement. the performances today will be edited with their faces of yesterday. >> it hasn't been done before. that's the intriguing part of this. that's what is tempting. >> reporter: it is a lot on the line, a lot of money and reputation. >> it's only money. ♪ money, money, money ♪ pier>> the avatars are goingevea

lot more high-tech than these wax models, which showcases the band's colorful history. >> they came with ideas and i would adjust them with my tastes. >> reporter: you would say a few more feathers? >> yes, things like that. >> reporter: this is quite a nice place to write a song. >> it is, indeed. >> reporter: away from the glitz, he often writes on his private island outside stockholm. >> i find it is so soothing and inspiring. >> reporter: his process begins with the music benny andersson has exposed. >> take a song like "take a chance on me." ♪ if you change your mind ♪ >> i was out running, but i had the sound of the words -- not the words themselves. chi, chi, chi, chi, chi. >> reporter: i guess that was a worthwhile run on that day.

>> yes, it was (laughing). >> reporter: how does music come to you? >> play rubbish for hours and hours, and all of a sudden i can hear myself playing something i haven't heard before that i like. >> reporter: can you show me what you mean? you'll sit and play absolutely nothing. >> if i just go... ♪♪ >> reporter: that's not a song? >> it's just something i played now. >> reporter: that you just made up right now? >> i don't know if i made it up, i just played. >> reporter: so many of your songs you recognize in the first few bars. >> yeah, that's good. you go... ♪♪ ♪ i think you no when ♪ >> reporter: "mamma mia" introduced abba to a new generation.

♪ mamma mia, here i go again ♪ >> it was an experiment, to let the lyric and the spoken dialogue become one and tell the story. nobody had done that before. >> reporter: it is an experiment that certainly worked well financially? >> yes, it did, and artistically, i would say. ♪♪ >> reporter: artistically, they have proven their staying power. and are experimenting once again. >> there will be more abba in the world in the last 20 years than the last 20 years. ♪♪ >> it's kind of weird. i'm happy and grateful. ♪♪

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the guy is a genuine wizard. >> no. >> reporter: would you go on national tv and say there is a trick to everything i do. >> there is a method to everything. >> reporter: so there is no real magic on this stage? >> no. then i'd be lying. >> reporter: but don't tell that to the audiences at his new los angeles show at the mirage. ♪♪ >> reporter: now, shin lim's first career goal was to become a concert pianist, but half way through music school, carp carpal tunnel forced him to drop out. when he was 16, his holder brother showed him a card trick. and because he was 16, his first thought was -- >> this is amazing. i can finally get a girlfriend. >> reporter: did it work? >> no. >> reporter: what? >> because it turns out you have to talk to girls after you do the trick, and i was still so shy.

i'm still very bad at talking. >> reporter: he spent years watching tutorial videos on youtube, and practicing in his bedroom. at his first international magic competition -- >> i had lost. yeah. i didn't even place at all. i said, you know what, we're going to cut the talking. i'm going to try music. >> reporter: performing silently to music changed everything. suddenly he began winning competitions. he appeared on a show where the performers attempt to stump veteran magicians and penn & teller. he fooled them all right. >> you, sir, fooled them. >> he does card magic. he does it better than anyone else and he does it differently than other people. it is supposed to be amazing and beautiful, and ict taent ing and

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