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captioning funded by cbs and ford. >> how frequently are these attacks on medical infrastructure happening? >> daily. and that's worrisome. >> in fact, attacking health care workers and health care facilities is literally the original war crime... >> yes. >> ...from the geneva convention in 1864. >> exactly. >> this is a hospital in mykolaiv, another hospital in mariupol, the luhansk children's hospital, a hospital in volnovakha, and the maternity hospital in mariupol. ( ticking )
♪ ♪ ♪ >> why do so many russian oligarchs live in the united kingdom? we traveled to london, or londongrad as it's sometimes called, to find out. was this all a strategy for the oligarchs to build influence here in the u.k? >> i think the evidence is pretty clear that in some cases it was. ( ticking ) >> these are beautiful. laurie anderson's largest-ever u.s. exhibition is currently on display at the smithsonian's hirshhorn museum on the national mall in washington, d.c. it's an odyssey through her singular creative life. this seems very ominous to me. >> good. >> wow! in one room she's painted words and images that seem to explode onto the walls and floor. it's a kind of multi-dimensional sketchbook of her thoughts, dreams, and stories. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> i'm lesley stahl. >> i'm bill whitaker.
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>> pelley: tonight, the russian army has abandoned its attempt to take ukraine's capital city. kyiv is still under air assault but russian ground troops are retreating from the suburbs after suffering grievous losses. new images of liberated neighborhoods are scenes of ruin with evidence of many civilian
deaths. a pentagon source tells us the greatest battle now is for the coastal city of mariupol. more than 100,000 civilians are trapped there. also, russian missiles have exploded in the major port city of odessa. russia expected ukraine to fall in a matter of days. but now, after six weeks, the russian military has failed to seize even one of its strategic objectives. eight days ago, russian missiles exploded in lviv, the western ukrainian city nearest to poland and nato. the attack was perhaps a message to president biden, who was speaking in poland that same hour. the name lviv means "city of lions." and this past week, we traveled there to find a defiant people
braving air strikes, rushing in medical supplies, and sheltering the innocent. this is the attack on lviv. march 26, as ukraine fought this inferno, mr. biden came to the end of a precisely crafted speech, then adlibbed his disgust for vladimir putin. >> president biden: for god's sake, this man cannot remain in power. >> pelley: among diplomats, it was heresy. but in the bomb shelters of lviv, it was a prayer. the region, centered on this nearly 800-year-old city, has barricaded its monuments and opened its heart with shelter for half a million homeless ukrainians. ( larysa speaking ukrainian ) "we want to go home. we want to go home now. but they're shooting there." larysa, her son, and daughter fled the city of kharkiv on a 19-hour train with no food or water.
( larysa speaking ukrainian ) "bombing, bombing, bombing, she told us. )"it's lirmagdon," et." >> pelley: ten miloned- four mir in "the city of lions," you can spot the evacuation shelters by the cargo pallets outside. they're foundations for new homes. this is a basketball court, blanketed in donated bedding. the homeless, wrapped in compassion, rest on the lattice of the wooden pallets. the only place they have in the world measures ten feet by three and-a-half. the shelters are dank, with the faint, acrid smell of too many people in too small a space. the rules are implied--
keep quiet, mind your pallet, do not show fear to the children. food and medicine are in short supply. their only wealth is time-- endless hours of worry broken only by the sight of a new arrival or the wail of a siren. ( siren wailing ) air raid warnings break up the day and send ukrainians tapping for a new app they can't live without. called "air alarm," it sets off the phone in an air raid and pinpoints where the bombs are on this evacuation, we ran into iryna, a woman who'd heard one siren too many. ( iryna speaking ukrainian )
"why? why are they wreaking this destruction? what did we do to them?" she said of the russians. ( iryna speaking ukrainian ) "when you look down at a curb and you see a little child lying there, dead, what did she do? hundreds of our little children are being killed-- little children, do you see?" we did see, in an image from the city of mariupol. a blood-stained baby blanket wrapped an 18-month-old boy. the mother follows her partner into a hospital. her child, named kirill, did not survive. we want to warn you that what you're about to see of this family is hard to watch, but this is russia's war on civilians in ukraine.
su russia targets them in a criminal campaign. this is a hospital in mykolaiv, another hospital in mariupol, the luhansk children's hospital, a hospital in volnovakha, and the maternity hospital in mariupol. >> dr. jarno habicht: we have seen, as of today, 72 attacks on health. >> pelley: dr. jarno habicht totals the atrocities as the head of the u.n.'s world health organization in ukraine. >> habicht: many doctors in the hospitals are also under attack. and it's not only hospitals. it could be hospitals. it could be the primary care centers. we have seen many attacks to the ambulances. we have 71 deaths and a number
of injuries also through those attacks. >> pelley: 71 dead? those include health care professionals and their patients? >> habicht: these are the health care workers, patients, those who have been in the facilities. >> pelley: how frequently are these attacks on medical infrastructure happening? >> habicht: daily. and that's worrisome. > pelley: in fact, attacking health care workers and health care facilities is literally the original war crime... >> habicht: yes. >> pelley: ...from the geneva convention in 1864. >> habicht: exactly. >> pelley: when a hospital is attacked, what is lost? >> habicht: you lose hope, because many people go to hospital because they want to get the care, and when hospitals are attacked, you don't have those places where you can actually get healed and be treated. >> pelley: and that is the loss of hope?
>> abicht: yes. >> pelley: in ukraine today, hope must be imported. we found it in an abandoned factory where an american charity, the international medical corps, is distributing medical supplies. >> dr. john roberts: everything is broken down exactly how you'd see it, you know, in a pharmacy. for instance, amoxicillin, an antibiotic that's really, really useful. >> pelley: the i.m.c.'s dr. john roberts told us these boxes hold emergency supplies called an "i.h.k." or interagency health kit. and this would treat how many patients for how long? >> roberts: so the i.h.k. as a total kit can treat 10,000 people for three months. we have brought in tons, and tons, and tons of medical supplies, surgical equipment, medications, bandages, everything that you would need to not only do primary health care, but also to do surgery, to birth babies, to take care of pregnant women. >> pelley: with a country at war, how are the needs
different? >> roberts: people think "war," they think it's all gunshot wounds and bombs. but when you don't have the health care system there, everything else that's not normally a problem all of a sudden becomes a problem. so, for instance, something as simple as blood pressure medication, or medication for heart failure, or diabetes, getting your insulin, that goes away. >> pelley: in the warehouse, we met two international medical corps co-workers who recently fled this. these are burned-out apartment buildings in mariupol. the russians couldn't seize this southern port city, so they bombed the 450,000 residents back to the middle ages. violetta voloshkina and oleksandr lapaiev escaped with the truth. ( oleksandr lapaiev speaking ukrainian and russian ) "suddenly there was no gas at the gas stations," he told us. "so, we couldn't go anywhere. then, food started disappearing
from the stores. and real hell broke loose-- power was out, we couldn't charge our phones, the heat was gone. the worst thing was the explosions getting closer. the school was burning, some shops were on fire. next to our apartment building there was an abandoned home. and that building really saved us, because we could go there, break the door frames and window frames, and use that to start fires." what happened to the people you were with, in the bomb shelter? ( oleksandr lapaiev speaking ukrainian and russian ) "there were about 50 of us in the basement-- no room to lie down, myself with my wife and daughter. there was no bathroom, no water, no light. one elderly lady suffered for two days, she shouted, she moaned. and imagine, it's 11:00 at night, it's dark, and she passes away." he told us four days later they escaped the basement.
the body of the elderly woman was still by the door. ( violetta voloshkina speaking russian ) "when we were in the basement," violetta told us, "we thought that only our place was being shelled, because planes were flying over us and dropping bombs. when we left the city, we saw the whole city was destroyed." you gave us a picture of the basement shelter you were in. what was that like? ( violetta voloshkina speaking russian ) "we had to cook on a fire. we didn't wash for two weeks because the water was only for drinking. we collected branches, made a fire and all cooked together. all the people brought everything they had. naturally, we cooked all the meat first because it would spoil." your daughter turned 17 years old during this invasion and i wonder if you think she has a future in ukraine? ( oleksandr lapaiev speaking ukrainian and russian ) "everything i own fits in a single suitcase," oleksander
told us. "i don't know, honestly, how a child is supposed to carry on." the russians claim they are liberating the ukrainian people. ( violetta voloshkina speaking russian ) "we didn't ask anyone to liberate us. we lived peacefully in our city. we lived our lives. we went to work, and everything was fine, we had a happy life. someone started a war, and someone ruined our lives." lviv has known many invasions over eight centuries. here, just going about the day is an act of defiance. on the coffee shop door, we couldn't help but notice the sign that keeps a daily tally of russian soldiers killed and planes and tanks and ships destroyed. the numbers are frothy but,
inside, where i.d.s are checked to keep russians out, they're serving up courage. >> roberts: can you tell me a little bit about how you're feeling and the problems you are having? >> pelley: in the shelters, dr. john roberts is looking at the long haul, counting up the shortages. >> roberts: we try and formulate exactly what they need, and fill that need in the best way possible. so we bring in tons of medications... ( air raid siren blares ) >> pelley: you know, i think that's the air raid siren. >> roberts: yes, it is. >> pelley: once again, lviv took cover. during our visit, the united nations appointed a commission to investigate war crimes. that will be for the future. for now, in the shelters of "the city of lions," they pray their light endures the darkness. >>see 0 s" reported from inside ukraine,
oligarchs who have lived abroad in luxury for decades. and while europe has seized mansions and super-yachts, and the u.s. has frozen bank accounts and banned travel, the u.k. is lagging behind. for years, britain actively courted russian billionaires, ignoring reports that some of their wealth was suspect. today, there's so much russian cash in britain, the capital has been nicknamed “londongrad.” british intelligence has warned that oligarchs' money is propping up putin's regime, and helping to fund the war in ukraine. now, the u.k. is under pressure to show its western allies it can stop the flood of corrupt money. >> dominic grieve: money has been flowing into the united kingdom, absolutely no doubt about this, which often has had what i can only describe as a tainted source. but then, russia is a mafia state. >> whitaker: dominic grieve is a former conservative member of parliament, who served as attorney general and chaired
britain's intelligence committee. his 2019 report on russian interference in u.k. politics, found britain was awash in russian oligarchs' money, much of it from untraceable sources. >> grieve: so, one has to face up to the fact that if you're going to live in russia or do business in russia, you have to dance to the tune of the mafia boss. and the mafia boss is president putin. >> whitaker: you don't become aa wealthy businessman in russia without dancing to the tune of putin? >> grieve: a lot of russian businessmen have very close links to the kremlin. others don't. but as long as you have a connection to russia, then the risk is that if you don't conform to the requirements of the russian state you will come unstuck. >> whitaker: since the collapse of the soviet union, the united kingdom has welcomed the oligarchs with few questions asked about their fortunes.
instead, a two-million-pound investment got special visas and a fast track to citizenship for hundreds of oligarchs. billions of pounds poured in, and russian tycoons went on a buying spree. andrey guryev, an oil billionaire, bought witanhurst. in london, only buckingham palace is larger.ocub there was so much money, dominic grieve says, it was hard to tell legitimate investors from crooked ones. the 2019 report found it was so easy to wash dirty cash in britain, the visa program was known as the laundromat. it sounds quite alarming, what you found in this report. >> grieve: everybody on it was in complete agreement that the united kingdom was in danger of being complacent about the threat that russia posed in the round, one aspect of which was
the fact that we had opened the door to allowing large quantities of russian money to come into our country and to be invested here. >> whitaker: was this all a strategy for the oligarchs to, sort of, build influence here in the u.k.? >> grieve: i think the evidence is pretty clear that in some cases it was. it's a question of whether the influence is being used to try to soften up the responses of western democracies towards the actions of the russian state. fortunes to vladimir putin. putin can make them do practically anything, says mikhail khodorkovsky, once the richest billionaire in russia, he's now just a millionaire in exile in london. khodorkovsky told us many of the oligarchs thrive and survive at
the indulgence of the kremlin. "there's no doubt about it," he told us, "putin will give the order to recruit mercenaries, transfer money, or spread fake news on social media." he told us putin uses oligarch money to help fund the war in ukraine. and the oligarchs, putin's foot soldiers he calls them, simply comply. "i think because they feel a noose around their neck tied by putin," he told us. "i can only explain it this way." in 2003 khodorkovsky, an oil titan, dared to publicly criticize putin. d. was arrested and charged with the lion of industry was tried and convicted in a courtroom cage and spent ten years in prison. is that why more people don't speak out against putin?
"yes," he told us, "putin wanted to send a message that no one was allowed to criticize him. if you don't do what the kremlin wants, you can easily be imprisoned." khodorkovsky told us the oligarchs' links te kremn should have set off alarms. instead, the infusion of money ignited a london real estate boom. a government report found one of the easiest ways to turn dirty money into a legitimate asset is to buy a house. >> oliver bullough: incredibly grand stairways. >> whitaker: oliver bullough worked as a journalist in russia, and now writes books on financial crimes. he showed us around to explain how the laundromat works. this is the neighborhood of choice for the russian oligarchs? this is belgravia. these neighborhoods around eaton square are some of the most expensive on earth, once the exclusive preserve of dukes and.
calle"red se" becau there are so many ssliir nameviousl because red re associated with communism. >> whitaker: the anti-corruption group, transparency international, estimates russian worth of property in london. so, if an oligarch were to buy in here, he could clean his money and his reputation? >> bullough: yeah. if you're the kind of person who can own a house on eaton square, you're slipping in, seamlessly slipping into a tradition of aristocracy and nobility. >> whitaker: it's powerful >> bullough it's powerful. right? you are someone who has stolen a company in russia. you are only rich because you're friends with vladimir putin. but look, look what you've got, look where you are. this is london's core industry. this is what we do: transforming thugs into aristocrats 24 hours a day. >> whitaker: oligarch care in london is worth an estimated $350 million a year.
real estate agents, tax advisors, bankers have become rich serving them. high-powered lawyers deploy the british legal system to protect them. all the while, bullough told us, most british politicians turned a blind eye. >> bullough: there was a general feelng that if the money was coming here and paying taxes that was building schools and building roads and building hospitals, then we didn't care where it came from. but it seems extraordinary now, looking back, that the murder of alexander litvinenko in 2006 did not occasion a national conversation at least about what we were doing. >> whitaker: a former k.g.b. spy, alexander litvinenko was working with british police to expose the russian mafia when kremlin assassins put a radioactive toxin in his teacup. in 2018, russian double agent sergei skripal and his daughter, survived an attack with a soviet-era nerve agent on british soil.
still, bullough told us, the laundromat churned on. only now with russian missiles raining death on ukraine is britain seriously questioning the money oligarchs have been showering down on them for years. >> bullough: it was pretty obvious what russia was like by 2018. and yet, it was still- you find prime ministers saying “it's time we finally got rid of the dirty money in this country." so, it's time now? how was it not time, you know, a decade previously? we have become very dependent certainly, in london on the fees that this money generates. >> we nomee leader of the opposition, the right honorable keir starmer. >> keir starmer: for too long britain has been a safe haven for stolen money. putin thinks that we're too corrupted to do the right thing and put an end to it. does the prime minister agree now is the time to sanction every oligarch and crack open every shell company so we can prove putin wrong?
>> prime minister. >> boris johnson: yes mr. speaker, and that is why this government has brought forward the unprecedented measures that we have. >> whitaker: the government of boris johnson canceled the visa program when russia invaded ukraine. it banned travel and froze the assets of 19 oligarchs. it will soon launch an anti- corruption police unit. both political parties, labor and conservative, have courted russian money, but conservatives have gotten the lion's share—- at least $4 million in political donations since 2012, including almost a million dollars from alexander temerko, a former russian arms tycoon, now a british citizen. he's not on the sanctions list. >> ian blackford: how can our allies trust this prime minister to clean up dirty russian money in the u.k. when he won't even clean up his own political party? >> johnson: mr. speaker, i just think it is very important that as you understand, we do not raise money from russian
oligarchs. people who give money to this—- to this—- to this-- we raise money from people who are registered to vote on the u.k. register of interests, and that is, that-- that is how we do it. >> whitaker: but nothing inflamed johnson's critics more than his 2020 appointment of media mogul evgeny lebedev, a dual citizen, to the house of lords. >> our trustee and well beloved evgeny alexandrovich lebedev. >> whitaker: despite warnings from british security services that the son of an ex-k.g.b. agent posed a security risk, lord lebedev of hampton and siberia put on his ermine robes. now from his seat, he can watch other british lords race to resign from boards of russian companies. >> grieve: you may have noticed in the last two weeks there's been the most massive bailout of people leaving the boards of russian companies because it's
become socially, quite apart from politically, unacceptable for them to be on it. but in the past, there were plenty of such facilitators around. >> whitaker: what made it acceptable before? i mean, there have been one incident after another that should have set up alarm bells. >> grieve: well, that's certainly my view, because we were concerned about those things and about the threat, the potential threat, that russia poses to our national security. >> whitaker: former oligarch mikhail khodorkovsky told us he thought the sanctions were essential but not enough. "what drives me crazy," he told us, "is the cowardice of western leaders who say we can't do this, we can't do that because putin might retaliate. that appeasement is exactly the tactic the west used against hitler and that led to millions of lives being lost." >> stop putin! stop the war! >> whitaker: pressure is building on the oligarchs of britain.
anti-war demonstrators now call them out. close putin ally roman abramovich, who is selling his soccer club, poisoned himself in kyiv. induis oliver bullough tolds london's dirty secret. >> bullough: it's amoral. it doesn't care. >> whitaker: what's at stake here if this continues? >> bullough: i think the really important point to understand is that an oligarch doesn't stop being an oligarch if they fly to the u.k. they want the same things in the u.k. as they want at home, which is, you know, they want rigged access to government auctions. they want preferential access to politicians. and i think we need to be very, very risk-averse about allowing that to happen here. because once you set off down that path, it's very hard to come back. ( ticking ) the lows of bipolar depression
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her work isn't sold in galleries, it's experienced by audiences who come to see her perform: singing, telling stories, and playing strange violins of her own invention. she won a grammy for a chamber music album about hurricane sandy, and remains one of america's most unusual and visionary artists. a major exhibition of her work is on display at the smithsonian's hirshhorn museum in washington, d.c. ladies and gentlemen, laurie anderson. she's played electronic drums on her body, and electric violins that sing and howl. for nearly five decades now she's blended the beautiful and the bizarre, challenging audiences with homilies and humor. >> laurie anderson: welcome to difficult listening hour.
>> cooper: she blurs boundaries across music, theater, dance, and film. it's not just audiences that have a hard time defining her work, laurie anderson sometimes does as well. >> anderson: i used to say multimedia artist. and that was ridiculous. multimedia artist. it's so clumsy. with a gun to my head, i say i tell stories. and those look like paintings sometimes. they look like, you know, songs. they look like films. they're just stories. what is a story? what is its function? how does it work? who's telling it? to who? o superman. >> cooper: if you've heard of laurie anderson at all, it may be because of this eight-minute- long song she recorded back in 1980. it's eerie and somewhat unsettling and to her surprise, it became a hit. >> anderson: this was a song
about how basically technology cannot save you. >> cooper: i first heard it when i was 14. i just was, like, what is this? and i still listen to it. >> anderson: it's about a lot of things. justice. safety. pwer. >> cooper: she recorded "o superman" herself in her apartment in downtown manhattan. >> anderson: i had a lot of equipment that would loop things. so, i was making a lot of vocal loops. actually, you have to hit it right in the right spot, so they hock it and do this. >> cooper: you say, "because when love is gone there's always justice.” >> anderson: here, here you go. you can, you can use a vocoder. here we go. here we go. go ahead. >> cooper: "and when justice is gone, there's always force. and when force is gone, there's
always mom. hi, mom.” i love that. >> anderson: you do that very well. >> cooper: i've been listening to it for-- >> anderson: you got the job. >> cooper: the song led to her groundbreaking first album, "big science." >> anderson: well, you don't know me. >> cooper: "pitchfork" said, "listening to laurie anderson's first album is like sitting down with a strange form of life that has been studying us for a long time." >> anderson: i'd like to meet that writer. i mean, everything is, is when you actually break it down, bizarre. and unlikely. that's my lens, i think. unlikely. >> cooper: laurie anderson grew up in glen ellyn, illinois, where she was one of eight children. every weekend she played violin with the chicago youth symphony, and then walked across the street to the art institute to study painting. >> anderson: and it didn't seem different to me to go like this or go like this. >> cooper: it was the same thing. >> anderson: same thing. i would just, is that? or is that?
is it-- >> cooper: playing the violin or painting was-- >> anderson: colorful enough? is it cool enough? is it adventurous enough? is it right enough? is it-- it's all-- it's just the same exact thing. all the same questions. and it was just what a hand was doing and what is, it's making sound over here. it's making color over here. >> cooper: she came to new york in 1966 and began experimenting with music and short films, but after a while she thought her work might be better received in europe. you wanted to tour in europe. >> anderson: i did, yeah. i wrote to about maybe 500, let's say, art centers, saying, "i'm planning a tour in the hapahat? >> cooper: with a couple responses, she took off for italy. that's her in 1975, playing a violin with a tape recorder inside playing loops so she could duet with herself. >> anderson: but then when is the concert over?
there's no end to a loop. so, i thought, "i need a timing mechanism." so, i wore some ice skates with their blades frozen into blocks of ice. so when i'd play until the ice started melting and cracking. and then when i began to lose my balance, i would just stop. that was it. that was the clock. >> cooper: and you were doing this on the street? >> anderson: yeah. usually in the hottest part of town, because it could take a long time to have these things, the cubes melt. >> cooper: for years she was a traveling troubadour, experimenting with sound, light and stories. >> anderson: and i've been around the block, but i don't care, i'm on a roll, i'm on a wild ride. >> cooper: after the unlikely success of "o superman," she got an eight record deal with warner bros. suddenly, the avant-garde artist was playing on mtv. that must've been strange. to have that kind of commercial success dangled before you. >> anderson: i knew enough about the pop world to know it was extremely fickle. so, i said, "okay.
i'm not gonna be tricked by this.” >> cooper: a chance meeting with a rock and roll legend she'd vaguely heard of changed her life. his name was lou reed, and he asked her out. >> anderson: and we went over to the a.e.s. convention at the javitz center. super geeky thing to do. we were looking at tube microphones. >> cooper: so, for your first date, you went to the acoustical society engineering convention. it doesn't sound very romantic. >> anderson: i didn't think of it as romantic. >> cooper: you didn't know it was a date? >> anderson: no, i did not. he said, "let's go get, let's go get a coffee." i said, "okay." and, and i was like, "i kind of like this guy.” we weren't really apart for 21 years after that. >> cooper: wow. >> anderson: yeah. he's my best friend. ♪ a thousand times you'd better hang on ♪ to your emotions hang on to your emotions ♪ >> cooper: they shared buddhism,
tai chi, and boundless creativity, and finally got married in 2008. five years later, lou reed died after a long battle with liver cancer. you wrote about his death, "i've never seen an expression as full of wonder as lou's as he died. he wasn't afraid. i had gotten to walk with him to the end of the world. life, so beautiful, painful, and dazzling, does not get better than that." >> anderson: yeah, lou was a person who had thought about this and had, had prepared himself for it and, and was 100% there. in staneveryday walks dit still e on r shedhe's had was rehearsing with cellist rubin kodheli. >> anderson: can you play? >> cooper: it's an opera she
wrote about amelia earhart's doomed attempt to circumnavigate the globe. >> anderson: she's on this crackly radio, and she's going, like, "i can see you, but i can't hear you." and they're going, "i can hear you, but i can't see you." >> cooper: she's in perpetual motion, playing with technology and images, fascinated by language and sound. >> anderson: what was really fun about this-- oop. >> cooper: she's working with an australian university on an artificial intelligence program loaded with everything she's ever written, said, or sung. you can ask it a question or give it a photograph, and the algorithm creates an original poem in the words and speech pattern of laurie anderson. >> anderson: half of it is really terrible poetry. a quarter of it is kind of interesting, and a quarter of it is really kind of great. >> cooper: to see how it works we uploaded a photograph of my newborn son, sebastian. wow. >> anderson: the mouth, the eye, the hand, the face. there's nowhere to go, no place to hide it. it's everywhere now that i'm here. i can't believe it's me. who did this? who are these people? why are you here? >> cooper: i'm like, i'm cr--
like crying. i find-- >> anderson: i know, it's-- >> cooper: this really emotional-- >> anderson: i know. see, the thing is, it really shows us more that how much of ourselves we put into language. >> cooper: yeah. last year, anderson delivered six virtual lectures as the norton professor of poetry at harvard. >> anderson: you know the best way to see the city is at night from the air. >> cooper: following in the footsteps of robert frost, leonard bernstein, and toni morrison. not surprisingly, anderson's lectures were very different. >> anderson: neeyaa-- whoa. that's it! oh, you're in the congo room. >> cooper: perhaps the closest anyone can get inside laurie anderson's mind is this virtual reality world she created with a collaborator in taiwan. >> anderson: it's a world that looks spatial, but it's made of words and drawings. it feels as though you're flying inside a work of art. >> cooper: you've been working with technology for 40 years now. does it still fascinate you? >> anderson: yeah.
it-- it does. i-- i'm still a geek, you know? i like it. i don't think i worship it. >> cooper: it's not the savior that some hope? >> anderson: oh, no. no. no. and this was said to me by a cryptologist: "if you think technology is going to solve your problems, you don't understand technology and you don't understand your problems." and i liked that very much because, you know, people just go, "oh, yeah. that's gonna fix it." really? >> cooper: laurie anderson's largest-ever u.s. exhibition is currently on display at the smithsonian's hirshhorn museum on the national mall in washington, d.c. it's an odyssey through her singular creative life. this seems very ominous to me. >> andermeand i rise of fascism around the world, frankly. >> cooper: in one room she's
painted words and images that seem to explode onto the walls and floor. it's a kind of multi-dimensional sketchbook of her thoughts, dreams, and stories. did you map this out before you did it? >> anderson: no, i should have. >> cooper: new ideas are built on older works. she first came up with this concept in the 1970s. >> anderson: this is called "citizens." >> cooper: i've never seen anything like this. miniature clay figures with video of people projected onto them. and i feel like they all want to kill me. >> anderson: this one does. >> cooper: they're all sharpening knives. >> anderson: because i think it's, like, people like elves, right, you know? >> cooper: uh-huh. >> anderson: and fairies. >> cooper: yeah. >> anderson: so, i think that's, for me, is the fascination of-- >> cooper: these are some badass fairies. from miniatures to monuments. >> mohammed el gharani: we didn't see the sun; we didn't see the fresh air for weeks. >> cooper: in another room, another story. this one told by a giant video projection of mohammad el gharani, held for seven years in
guantanamo as a teenager without charge, until a judge released him. >> anderson: for me, i gave this person a megaphone to say, "it's your turn. what do you have to say?" this is not about my opinions of what happened here. this is mohammed el gharani's story. >> cooper: laurie anderson is 74 now, and still conjuring up new stories, and new ways to tell them. >> anderson: i'm not an artist to make the world a better place. this is not my goal, you know, at all, except like secretly. >> cooper: just, very quietly, that's your goal. >> anderson: quietly. because i really love beautiful things. because it's thrilling to, to put your mind somewhere else and be somewhere that you could never have imagined. and then suddenly you're imagining it. and then you're there. it's magic. ( ticking )
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