tv Face the Nation CBS June 27, 2022 3:00am-3:30am PDT
(male announcer) join dr. david jeremiah in his new series, "where do we go from here?" on the next episode of "turning point." right here on this station. sunday morning. until then, enjoy the rest of your week. captioning sponsored by cbs >> brennan: good morning. and welcome to "face the nation." i'm margaret brennan. last week we saw several seismic developments here in washington that will impact americans and our democracy for years to come. we are living in the thick of unprecedented upheaval around the country and the world, and we are all feeling its impact. just this morning our cbs news poll puts the number of americans feeling that our democracy is under threat at 72%. for the first time in nearly 50 years, tens of
millions of american women begin the week without the protection of a constitutional right to an abortion. it is a significant victory for the anti-abortion rights movement. but friday's supreme court decision to direct states to regulate abortion on their own terms has resulted in chaos and confusion as the to ruling's practical impact, and not surprisingly, enormous anger and fear sparked by rhetoric of those who think laws should be more restrictive. on guns, the supreme court cleared the way for nearly all american adults to carry concealed weapons in public. meanwhile, just a few hundred yards away, congress, who had been crippled by inaction on significant g gun-control legislation for decades, responded to the recent massacres in uvalde and buffalo by passing a bipartisan law expanding gun checks for gun buyers
under 21, and providing states with funding for mental health and school safety. in the january 6 committee hearings, we heard testimony that president trump repeatedly pressed some state election officials and justice deputy officials to interfere in the election with the knowledge that his actions were illegal. these fishers in our three branches of government and the test of our democracy come as president biden joins world leaders in germany to discuss ways to keep the global economy afloat and to counter russian aggression. the challenges facing the president and our country are nothing short of enormous. these challenges are taking their toll on americans' view on how mr. biden is handing his job. only 41% of americans approve of his job. that's the lowest we've recorded for his presidency. we begin today with cbs news senior national
correspondent mark strassmann in atlantic. [yelling] >> reporter: chaos in the carolinas, protestors squaring off in greenville, south carolina, one of many weekend flashpoints. in iowa, this pickup truck driver went right through abortion rights protestors. from noisy crowds in new york to los angeles, where a country convulsed by the supreme court's dobbs' decision. this constitutional milestone cast a half century by conservative activists. >> a motto that my mom taught me in her ministry is that our job is not to make abortion illegal, but make it unthinkable. >> reporter: it roshes robs women of a fundamental frefreedom, and gives state lawmakers, mostly men,
control over their bodies. >> it was accepted by the supreme court by the constitution of the united states, and to have that being threatened now and other things threatened because of this casing in caving inis very, very scary. >> reporter: within months, abortion could be illegal by almost half of the country. these 13 states will activate what is called trigger bans. in this group of states, the dobbs' decision could see anti-abortion legislation unblocked by lower courts or resurrect pre-roe abortion bans. abortion's future is uncertain in parts of america. and in 20 states, abortion rights remain solidly in place for now. georgia is one of a dozen states to pass a so-called ffetal heartbeat bill. the dobbs decision could
clear the way for them to become law and end legal abortions at six weeks. america's high fever over abortion makes a dialect impossible. we'rnwe're not going to talk this one out. abortion rights opponents want more restrictions. >> brennan: mark strassmann reporting from atlantic. one of the states fighting a restrictive abortion ban is michigan. its governor, gretchen whitmer joins us this morning. >> good morning, margaret. >> brennan: it was a 1931 law already on your books, that would outlaw it with no exceptions for rape or incest. i know there is confusion in your state.
what exactly is the status of your appeal to the state's supreme court. >> this is precisely why i filed my lawsuit a few months ago. a lot of people questioned if it was timely or even necessarily. and it became clear it is timely and absolutely necessary. there is a lot of confusion about what this means for i.v.f., for practitioners, and some hospitals are interpret interprg it. and that's why our supreme court needs to act. i teed up this lawsuit asking them to recognize a fundamental due process right to privacy and bodily autonomy and reproductive health care. it is time for them to weigh in and recognize this right under our state constitution. >> brennan: so what happens if you lose? >> well, we've got -- we're going at it. we're pulling out all of the stops. this is a fight like hell moment. so our partners filed this other lawsuit. they have the injunction which is on appeal.
and there is an effort to collect signatures and amend our constitution. so we're using every tool we have to fight for reproductive rights for michigan women and ohio women and women who come here for their health care. >> brennan: in every state now state capitals are going to make the decision. roe v. wade guaranteed abortion up to roughly 24 weeks of pregnancy. if the court strikes down this ban you are fighting, and you have to craft a new law here, is there a compromise that is possible here? can you settle on 20 weeks? 15 weeks? anything less than roe? >> what i'm trying to fight for is the status quo in michigan. and there are reasonable restrictions on that. with the current legislature that i have, there is no common ground, which is the sad thing. they've already introduced legislation to criminalize and throw nurses and doctors in jail.
they have endorsed the 1931 law, which has all of the republican people running for governor. they want abortion to be a felony, no exceptions for rape or incest. that's what kind of legislature i'm working with. and that's why this is such a scary moment for michigan women and our families. >> brennan: according to the cbs news polling, most americans feel abortion should be legal within the first tri-mester. a third say it should be legal after that as well. if you're saying you can't talk this out with your state legislature, can you at least put it on the ballot? does the public get to decide here? how do you move forward? >> so 70% of the people in our state do support a woman being able to make that choice herself. whether that is a choice they would make or not. i am horrified, as are so many women who are 50
jeyears old or in my generation, with the thought that my daughters will have fewer rights that i've had virtually my whole life. but i take heart in the fact that the vast majority in this state support that right for a woman to choose. there are independents out here and we need them to join this fight. >> brennan: but if you put it out there to the public, they have to pick and make a specific statement here. is anything less than roe possible? is compromise possible? >> i think compromise is possible. we have already seen michigan enact some restrictions on abortion. we have a waiting period. there is beyond viability. it is not accessible except for the life of the mother, the woman. but this is a moment where we're seeing how extreme the michigan g.o.p. has gotten. this radical agenda to deprive women of their
ability to make the most important economic decision they'll make in their lifetime, when or whether or not to have a child. >> brennan: how much do you think that the democratic party or democratic leadership soon tegraphed for should the federal government do more? >> i have been urging democratic leaders to use every tool at their disposable to protect women's rights to make health care decisions. we all have different sets. this is now being pushed down to the states. and that's why i'm fighting so hard to protect this right in michigan. >> brennan: but you aren't looking for more from the federal government at this time? >> as i said, i'm urging every -- every pro-choice leader to use every tool in their toolbox. so i'm hopeful and believe that the biden administration is going to do that. i can just tell you what i am doing here on the ground in michigan. >> brennan: i want to ask you about this
homeland security warning that domestic violent extremists may incite violence. it mentioned a pro abortion rights group in michigan. how concerned are you about violence? what are you seeing on the ground? >> i'm concerned about a lot of things happening in the united states right now. and the last couple of decisions that came out of the united states supreme court make america more dangerous, more guns, fewer rights, less health care. it is scary. as a lawyer, it crushes me to say that even i am losing faith that these important institutions that are supposed to be above the politics of the day are now being corrupted. that's what we're seeing out of our united states supreme court. and i'm very concerned about our long-term prosperity, our homeland security, and our safety. >> brennan: this warning about threats to federal, state government officials, including judges, are you concerned about active threats in
michigan? >> of course i am. margaret, i have been the recipient of so much ugliness and hate, often stoked by the former president, and this is a very scary moment. with the proliferation of the ugly rhetoric, the scary proliferation of guns and fewer and fury stfewerrestrictions, so any policy-maker that makes a hard decision, we have to be much more fearful on a whole new level. >> brennan: i'm assuming you can't get your state to establish a red flag law, despite the federal incentive? >> i'm still pushing, with the legislature i have to work with. it is,it is -- that's part of this radicalized republican party in michigan. >> brennan: governor whitmer, we'll be watching
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>> brennan: south dakota is one of 13 states with so-called trigger laws that locked new abortion restrictions into place after roe v. wade was overturned. kristi noem has a new memoir out entitled "not my first rodeo." good morning, governor noem. >> brennan: the only exception is if it is necessary to preserve the right of a pregnant female. you're calling a special session. what exactly do you want to change or implement here? >> well, what happened with the supreme court decision this week is that abortions in the state of south dakota immediately became illegal unless it was to save the life of the mother. that was in place. as soon as that decision was made. and what i believe will happen if we go into a special session, there will be debate around how
we can support these mothers. i've already launched a website called life.sd.gov. and it is to get help to those in a crisis situation, it will coordinate people who will come alongside them during this time. and also ensure they get health care and access they need. it lists all of the non-profits and organizations that work with them. and it can extend to families that may want to adopt their baby should they give their baby up for adoption. it is an incredible resource that does more to support these women that are in a situation that was unplanned and leaves them in a situation when they're not prepared for the news they're expecting a baby. >> brennan: on that, though, america has the worst mortality rate of any country. what specifically are are doing for these women not just when they the baby, but during their
pregnancy? are you giving them more health care? what exactly are you doing to keep them alive during their pregnancy? >> i think that will be a lot of debate that will go on in all of the different states, now that the supreme court has made this decision. the power to make these decisions goes to each individual state. we have already talked about that in south dakota. what is the state's role and what can we do for the individuals to give them the health care they need to help their baby be born healthy and help them be parents, or help them choose a loving family to raise that child. >> brennan: so you're still forgiving out the specifics? >> this trigger law was put into place once the supreme court made the decision that they did. that's the debate and discussion that we're having. what is incredible and what is going on is that the people will decide. elected officials at the state level is who they'll be talking to to decide
what t their state laws look like. south dakota over the past several years has stood for life and defending life, and i think we'll continue to have those debates on how we can support those mothers and what it means to make sure we're not prosecuting mothers ever in a situation like this, when it comes to abortion, that it will always be focused towards those doctors who knowingly break the law to perform abortions in our state. >> brennan: south dakota is one of 30 states that will limit access to telemedicine abortions, which allow patients to receive pills in the mail that would allow them to end their pregnancy. the president has said he is going to use the justice department to intervene if there is an attempt to stop women from receiving these pills. are you actually going to seize mail? how would you stop women from receiving this federally approved medication? >> i brought a bill that
would ban telemedicine abortions, which means a doctor over the internet or over the phone could prescribe an abortion -- these are very dangerous procedures. a woman is five times more likely to end up in an ad it is sething that should be under the supervision of a medical doctor, and it is something in south dakota -- >> brennan: but that what i'm asking you. because at the state level -- >> at the state level -- >> brennan: right, but this is a federally approved drug. are you saying that the state of south dakota is going to overrule the f.d.a. and decide which drugs will be available to its residents? >> many of those decisions are made at the state level. >> brennan: if it is centersent in the mail, will you
stop it -- 350e >> the rest of the items are left to the states. the 10th amendment guarantees us. the supreme court said the constitution does not give the woman a right to have an abortion. that means in each state they will make the decision. in south dakota, we already had a bill passed about telemedicine abortion, that we don't believe it should be available because it is a dangerous situation for those individuals without being medically supervised by a physician -- >> brennan: it sounds like you're ready to fight the justice department on that one. the president also said his administration will oppose any state governments that try to block the mail, search a person's medicine cabinet, by tracking data by apps she uses. is south dakota going to adopt laws like oklahoma and texas has that incentivize women to support on their neighbors? 350e>> margaret, that has
never been the conversation in south dakota. we protect our freedoms and our liberties here. we will make sure that the mothers have the resources and medical care they need, and we're being aggressive on that. and we will make sure that the federal government only does its jobs. this administration has been overstepping its authority and they have been punishing the american people, and we've seen increased energy costs, supply-chain challenges, and freedoms taken away. it is incredible the amount of problems this country is having because of the policies out the biden administration. my job at governor is to my job, and that is to protect people from these bad policies. >> brennan: how will you handle operations in your state that say they will provide health care and financial help for those who want to travel o out of state for health care? >> those aren't the
conversations we're having. >> brennan: so you won't sue wal-mart or amazon who said they will do for their families. they will not face litigation from the state of south dakota? >> we're going to continue to support these mothers, to make sure they're protected from any prosecution that would happen. make sure these babies are recognized and that every single life is pressure and we support our laws. i'll continue to make sure the people of the state know they can speak to their elected representatives who can make those decisions closer to home -- >> brennan: i think you were saying you're not going to go after corporations there. >> no intention to do that, margaret. >> brennan: a fellow republican, congresswoman nancy mace of south carsouthcarolina was on the program a few weeks ago. listen to her. >> i'm a rape victim myself.
and when you realize what happened, the trauma, the emotional and mental and physical trauma in a woman's life, she should make that decision with her doctor, between her and her god. >> brennan: how do you respond to her? are you open to exceptions for rape and incest? >> my heart goes out to her and every woman has had to go through that situation. what i would say is i believe ever life is pressure. our trigger law says if it is to save the life of the mother -- we know so much more even 10, 15 years ago about what these babies go through, the pain they feel in the womb. i have never believed that having a tragedy or a tragic situation happen to someone is a reason to have another tragedy occur. >> brennan: so no exception for rape or incest -- >> we will continue to go forward and that we're
putting resources in front of these women and walking alongside them, getting them the health care, the mental health counseling and services they should need to make sure we continue to support them and build stronger families far into the future as well? >> brennan: so no exceptions? >> this is a debate that will continue to happen from state to state, margaret. i think that's what unique about the united states of america. we have a very limited federal government. the supreme court did its job. it fixed a wrong decision it made many years ago and returned this power back to the states, which is how the constitution and our founders intended it. so the fear tactics i hear coming out of so many people from so many pundits and those in the media, scaring women, saying they're going to have a bigger risk of death because of this decision, what this is going to do is give them the ability to weigh in with their local elected officials to make sure their state statutes reflect what they need to
have their health care and their options and babies protected into the future. >> brennan: exactly. we'll track it as you figure it out. we'll be right back with a lot more "face the nation." stay with us. inancial consultan. hm... i know how difficult these calls can be. not with schwab. nina made it easier to set up our financial plan. we can check in on it anytime. it changes when our goals change. planning can't be that easy. actually, it can be, carl. look forward to planning with schwab. schwab! ♪♪
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this is the "cbs overnight news." advocates on both sides of the abortion battle say their fight is not done. antiabortion rights forces are vowing to use friday's supreme court ruling reversing 50 years of federal protection of abortion to push for near total bans in everyroup ptaromise s to harness anger into the streets turning into action at the ballot box this november. a new cbs news poll taken after the court's decision finds most people disapprove of the decision to overturn roe. a majority call it, quote, a step backward for america. cbs's chrna