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captioning sponsored by macneil/lehrer productions >> woodruff: the diplomatic push to find a solution to syria's chemical weapons could expand to a resolution to that country's bloody civil war. then, margaret warner reports from egypt on the uncertain future of the muslim brotherhood after the government's crackdown. thousands of artists spend months creating intricate sculptures on a massive scale and none of them is for sale at the nevada gathering called "burning man." >> it is like the greatest museum ever. you have your piece there, you don't see any other pieces around it and you see this vastness of the desert. >> woodruff: and it's friday. mark shields and david brooks are here, to analyze the week's news.
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>> woodruff: u.s. and russian negotiators worked into the night in geneva, on putting syria's chemical weapons under international control. one u.s. official reported the two sides were at a pivotal point. secretary of state john kerry said the meetings with his russian counterpart, sergei lavrov, were constructive. he said the outcome may determine if there's any hope for actual peace talks. >> we are committed to try to work together, beginning with this initiative on the chemical weapons in hopes that those efforts could pay off and bring peace and stability to a war- torn part of the world. >> woodruff: in washington, president obama said he will insist any chemical weapons deal is verifiable and enforceable. also today, u.n. secretary general ban ki-moon said he expects an overwhelming report that chemical weapons were used in syria last month.
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his chief inspector said the report is finished, but he declined to discuss the findings. thousands of people in colorado faced a flooded landscape today, after days of heavy rain that triggered flash floods. the casualty count stood at three dead and 17 others still unaccounted for. we get a report from "newshour" producer mary jo brooks. >> reporter: walls of muddy brown water poured down mountainsides today. that added to floods that have already inundated towns along colorado's front range. >> we've lived in this area for 32 years. never has the creek gone. it's gone over, but it's never flooded. this i would consider a 100-year flood for us. >> a foot and a half or two feet of water doesn't look like it's life threatening, but it is. it's different than normal water. >> reporter: governor john hickenlooper had those words of warning this morning for residents of his drenched state,
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where roads are washed out, communities are cut off and thousands are being urged to leave. >> you've got to recognize this water is filled with debris and sand, it is almost like liquid cement and just a foot and a half of water can knock people over and you can be swept away. >> reporter: the entire town of lyons was being evacuated by national guard troops after u.s. route 36 was washed out. it stranded the 2,000 people who live there. there were evacuations overnight in boulder too, as warning alarms blared, urging people who lived along boulder creek to head for higher ground. >> i'm feeling horrible and >> reporter: jeremy barnes lives halfway between boulder and lyons. he wasn't under official evacuation orders, but as the water rose higher, he decided to leave. by then, though, it was too late-- his car and house were engulfed by water.
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and he and his wife had to be rescued by firefighters. >> we had no idea anything like this was going to happen and it probably would have been okay but once this wall of water came down the canyon, there was just no getting away from it >> reporter: the skies over colorado were clear today, but forecasters warned the next round of rain could come this evening and with it, new flooding. >> woodruff: new violence erupted today across iraq, and afghanistan. in baqouba, northeast of baghdad, a bomb exploded at a sunni mosque, killing 33 people and wounding at least 45 others. the attack continued almost non- stop bloodshed that began in april. the u.n. estimates more than 4,000 iraqis have died since then. and in afghanistan, a u.s. consulate came under taliban attack. it happened in the western city of herat which had been considered one of the safer areas of the country. the militants triggered multiple car bombs, touching off a
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firefight with security forces. no americans were hurt, but at least four afghans died and 17 people were wounded. later, u.s. officials said all consulate personnel have been temporarily moved to kabul. the government of iran announced today it's converting its supply of 20% enriched uranium to reactor fuel. the u.s. had feared the uranium might be enriched to the 90% level that's needed for a nuclear bomb. also today, president hasan rouhani said he wants to end the standoff over his country's nuclear program, so long as iran retains its right to enrich uranium. in india a judge has sentenced four men to be hanged for a gang rape and murder that became a symbol of widespread sexual violence. we have a report narrated by nina nannar of "independent television news." >> reporter: as they were driven to court today to hear their sentences save us brothers the
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"save us brothers the men called from inside the bus, but their crime had caused revulsion and disbelief around the world act and there were shouts and cheers outside as the death sentences were passed. the men's brutal rape and murder of a 23-year-old student said the judge that had shocked the collective conscience of india. it has been an anguished wait for the victims family today. said her brother, "they got justice." fruit seller pawan gupta, mukesh singh who was unemployed, akshay thakur a bus cleaner and vinay sharma a gym instructor launched their vicious attack on a bus bring driven around delhi-- the students friend was beaten up, she was raped and assaulted so brutally she died in hospital two weeks later.
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the case horrified millions in india. the country's appalling record on sexual violence against women bringing many onto the streets to protest calling for the government to take such crimes more seriously. the result was tougher anti rape laws, but campaigners say after today's result the fight for other victims of sexual crime must continue. >> woodruff: the death sentences handed down today are still subject to review by higher courts. two major immigration measures are close to becoming law in california. governor jerry brown announced today he will sign a bill authorizing illegal immigrants to obtain driver's licenses. california would be the tenth state to take that step. the state assembly also passed a bill last night that allows undocumented immigrants to become practicing lawyers. wall street finished this friday on an up note. the dow jones industrial average gained 75 points to close at 15,376. the nasdaq rose six points to
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close at 3,722. for the week, the dow gained 3%, for its best five-day showing since january. the nasdaq rose more than 1.5% still ahead on the "newshour": the latest from geneva on the syria talks; the uncertain future for egypt's muslim brotherhood; the history of latinos in america; shields and brooks and massive sculptures in the desert. now back to syria and prospects for a deal in geneva. jeffrey brown has more. >> even as secretary of state john kerry and russian foreign minister sergei lavrov resumed talks today. the wall street journal reported that a syrian military unit was scattering the country's chemical weapons stockpile. for the latest on that and on the talks, i'm joined by new york times diplomatic correspondent michael gordon in geneva.
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and "wall street journal" military reporter julian barnes. michael gordon, let me start with you. let's talk first about the progress there. where is there general agreement so far, regarding syria's weapons and what should be done about them? >> well, secretary john kerry has been meeting with his russian counter-part sergei lavrov, they have really been getting in nitty-gritty of this. the general expectation is they're going to announce some sort of diplomatic understanding between the two sides tomorrow on how to approach syria's chemical weapons stocks, how to control them, how to destroy them. and there was progress on at least agreeing how much syria has by way of chemical weapons, which was an important point of contention between russia and america. that said, i think it's going to be very important to see the fine print of this agreement tomorrow because the task of dismantling syria's chemical
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weapons is really highly problematic, especially in the context of a civil war. >> brown: when you say "nitty-gritty" earlier this week i talked to former weapons inspector john duelfer, and he talked about the importance of such things as who decideses which sites can be inspected and whether the inspectors can talk to anybody-- scientists over there soo or whether weather those are withheld. do you think they're at that level of negotiation at this point? >> i don't think so. they've been here two days, and it's difficult to elaborate basically a year's worth of arms control agreement in two days. but what i expect is they'll enunciate some general principles. for example, secretary kerry wants the syrians to turn over data on their chemical weapons stock right away instead of waiting up to 60 days under the terms of the treaty. i think there will be some important principles laid down. but it would also be my expectation that there would be
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a lot of this additional work to be done. and as you just pointed out, cheating by the assad regime is going to be a major concern. i mean, how can the west really know that he's declared all of his stocks and he hasn't hidden any of it? that was a big challenge in iraq, and it's going to be a big challenge in syria. >> brown: speaking of that, julian barnes, today you reported a special syrian unit has been moving the weapons around bhap do we know so far? >> this unit is called unit 450. it's an elite, small group, within syria, all of the alawite sect, all very loyal to assad. and within receipt weeks, as the threat of u.s. military force mounted, they started of dispersing chemical weapons around country. >> brown: let's bring up a map we can show our audience. this is from a year ago which shows very few facilities. and what's been happening since then? >> that's right, so we've seen
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quite an evolution since that time. so from, say, seven major sites to about 24 major sites now, and another two dozen smaller sites. they are almost all parts of the country. they're in the north, the south, and even a couple in the east, where there's much less solid regime control. >> brown: and how much is u.s. intelligence able to keep track of what's going on? >> this is a great debate. i mean, the u.s. has been saying we have a good idea where most of this is. but that's starting to shift. in recent days, as this chemical weapons have been pushed out, there's a lot more doubt that they know exactly where all the stocks are. and that's going going to be important to this verification process. >> brown: are there any signs even in the last day or two as the geneva talks are under way, whether that's having an impact either in making more movement or freezing things? >> what u.s. officials have told me is that this week, as the
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diplomatic process got going, as the threat of military force was reduced, that movement stopped. they saw it last week. they did not see it this week. and the theory is either assad moved the chemical weapons where he wanted them, or without the threat of an imminent attack there was no more need to move them. >> brown: now michael gordon, back to you. there had been reports -- you had been reporting about a potential largerdale here of a peace conference that goes even beyond the chemical weapons issue. where does that stand now? >> well, this is a very interesting question that you have. i mean, there are really two things going on. one is trying to figure out how to control assad's stock of chemical weapons so that he doesn't use it again, and i think the evidence that he did tiewz is persuasive, and, also, eventually get rid of it. the other question is how to solve and resolve and come up with a political settlement that stops the civil war in sir yoo because virtually everyone has
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been killed in syria, like 99% of them have died at the hands of conventional weapons, not chemical arms. there was a meeting at a taid, a three-way meeting between secretary kerry; mr. laf roz, and the u.n. representative. they agreed there is going to be another meeting in new york toward the end of september, but secretary kerry made the point if there is going to be a geneva peace conference, resolution or progress on the chemical weapons issue is an essential prerequisite for making headway on a peace conference. now, that said, i think the chances that a peace conference is going to achieve a wraek through at this point is extremely slim because assad is in control and he's not about to yield power, and i also think the syrian opposition feels a bit, i would say, betrayed by the fact that the united states has pulled back on its military threat, and is seek a deal with the russians, which after all, is the major power that's been arming assad.
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i'm not justifying the opposition's position. i'm not taking a stance on that. i'm just representing how they feel. getting them to the talks i think is going to be a difficult undertaking. >> brown: julian barnes you've been reporting from the pentagon all these last days and weeks. given all that we're talking tag about right now, what is the posture there is that what are they saying about the readiness or the sense of whether strikes may or may not happen? >> the readiness is still there. they still have all the ships, four ships in the med, an aircraft carrier in the red sea. they were extended this week to stay there longer, but the feeling is we are much less likely to see a military strike now. the mood is just skepticism that it's going to come to that glowr all right, julian barnes here, michael jordan in geneva, thanks so much for joining us. >> thank you. >> woodruff: as we reported
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yesterday, the egyptian government has extended its state of emergency in the country for another two months. the move comes amid an ongoing crackdown on the muslim brotherhood, and stepped-up jihadi attacks in egypt's sinai region. in her latest report from cairo, chief foreign affairs correspondent margaret warner reports on the future of the brotherhood and political islam in the new egypt. >> patients flown in yesterday were seeking low-cost care and andidized medicines. it's one of two dozen hospitals in egypt, built and long supported by the muslim brotherhood. when we visited this one two years ago, patients spoke proudly of its brotherhood ties and high standards. but now, the hospital's director is keeping his distance from the group. who operates this hospital? >> we are a branch of the medical association.
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we don't receive any help from the muslim brotherhood. >> warner: signs of the hospital's brotherhood benefactor are nowhere to be seen here, and that's true of the many vital services the group once ran or funded. indeed, it's a drug drus time in egypt to be associated with the brotherhood, must less a member. many are under arrest. a few are free but many are on the run. we're talking have a skype, why is that? >> it's a wanted man for standing in opposition to the cue. >> warner: the cue was the removal the president, mohammed morsi. the army said it was responding to tens of millions of egyptians who filled the streets june 30, demanding moralesy resign. then on august 14, police forcibly cleared two large pro-morsi sit-ins in cairo,
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killing hundreds and wounding many more. since then, the security services' crackdown has intensified, forcing al-haddad into hiding. >> i haven't seen my family in over a month or my kids. i can't communicate with them because they're as well-being followed. it's a police state with everything that comes with it. >> the police state never really went away in egypt. >> she is the human right director, and sees the logic behind the sit-in clearing, the arrest of the brotherhood leaders, the detention of an estimated 2,000 more members without charge charges and suggs about banning the group. >> all of that means that somebody in the egyptian government, within the security agencies in particular, or the military, has decided that they want to exclude the muslim brotherhood from political space. >> warner: the brotherhood should be cut out of politic for now, says a politician and writer, part of the 2011 revolution that toamed longtime ruler hosni mubarak.
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>> the first chant of this revolution was about freedom. it was definitely not about some fanatic religious cult coming and telling you what, what you can write, which sports you can play, what your children will study at school. morsi was trying to change egypt from being egyptian, from being islam. islam is a part of the egyptian composition, but it's one part. >> warner: even the brghthood's one-time ally supported morsi's removal. its media strategist says the brotherhood cut itself off from too many egyptians. >> we are not a family. we are part of this egyptian people, even we have our own ideas. >> warner: and you think the muslim brotherhood is a family in the sense to feeling exclusive? >> oh, yes. they excluded themselves from the egyptian people, and this is
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one of the fatal mistakes. >> still, he is actually the first and the only democratically elected president. >> warner: we posed that criticism, that the brotherhood tried to ram through an islamist agenda, to a leermd of the brotherhood's political arm, the freedom and justice parent. he admitted it made mistakes but sidestepped the deeper question. >> in any democratic country, you utilize the military to overthrow the government or use the democratic means to do that? >> warner: he said the party would try to keep up pressure to restore morsi with street protests. one month after the sit-ins came to a bloody end, this is what the muslim brotherhood has come to-- modest demonstrations at scattered times and locations around this country convened at the very last moment through social media to evade security forces. at this one on a highway in nasar city, we found a woman
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whose husband was killed at a sit-in. >> they took him by motorcycle tie hospital. somebody called me and said he was in this specific hospital and he is dead. >> warner: was he shot? >> yes, the hospital wanted to put it in the report as a suicide. >> warner: a fellow protester and brotherhood member said he fears for his safety. >> can you imagine, you killed-- your government killed 3,000 people in one day, one day. some of them were my relatives, my students, my brothers, my friend. sphwhrarg there is no official count, and the department prime minister couldn't give us one. but there was violence from both sides, he said. >> there was the police action to disperse the sit-ins,
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which,ob, and sadly, took more of a toll than anybody would like. there was, on the same day, widespread attacks on police stations across egypt and on churches south of egypt. >> warner: what about the number of muslim brotherhood members, morsi supporters who are in detention without charges? >> we are under a state of emergency, and that, by definition, gives the police more powers than under normal circumstances. it is an exceptional situation. it is not one they like. >> warner: a human rights watch member who investigated the incidents says some brotherhood members did incite violence but not in numbers to justify the widespread crackdown. >> there are brotherhood members who should be held accountable, but what the government is doing is to use these individual incidents of violence to then collectively hold every brotherhood member responsible.
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>> warner: for now al-haddad says the military has pushed the 85-year-old group back into its comfort zone in opposition. >> they're trial to wipe the existent, decapitate the muslim brotherhood. and you can't do that. it's an idea. you can't kill an idea. >> warner: do you think some will turn to violence, we'll see a rebirth of some sort of insurgency, that took place here in the 90s? >> nonviolence is central to the culture of the muslim brotherhood, so i don't think any time sooner or later the muslim brotherhood will turn to a violent means of change. i can't say the same by the other groups in egypt. >> reporter: the noor party is making a bid to stay a player, participating in the military-designed road map to fashion a new constitution and elections. the aims, is to keep the islamist ideas center of what cmeds next. lawyer
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>> warner: that's a sellout this man says. >> even they invited us, this is a body stemming out of a coup of a military coup. that's why i say that it is absolutely important for us and for all the protesters out on the streets right now to stick to the democratic process. >> warner: so if the train is leaving the station, you just won't be on board? >> we are on board, but maybe on another train you know. we are going our own path. >> warner: a path for the country's most enduring islamist organization leads it an uncertain future.
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>> woodruff: now back to the u.s. for a significant, but often untold piece of our nation's history. how latino americans have shaped the country. our own ray suarez has written a book on the topic, and he sat down recently with gwen ifill. here's their conversation. >> ifill: from the first spanish settlers who arrived in america decades before plymouth rock or jamestown, to the 53 million hispanic americans living here today, latinos have helped form what is now the united states in ways we were often never taught in school. from the wild west to the civil rights movement to the current fight over comprehensive immigration reform, it has been a five-century journey, one that our own ray suarez chronicles in "latino americans: the 500-year legacy that shaped a nation." ray, it's fun tow have you on the other side of the table. >> suarez: it is strange, but i think we're going to get through it it. >> ifill: i think it's
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worthwhile. you as a puerto rican, brooklyn-raised american knew a lot about your heritage before you started doing this book, but you learned a lot more, didn't you? >> suarez: and that's the thing that i think is really distilled by this book. latinos who read it may go into it thinking, "oh,, you know, i know about the alamo. i know about the war between the united states and mexico." but you will constantly be saying, "hey, i didn't know that," when learning about other national origins, like why and when the dominicans started to come. details about the cuban refugee crisis that accompanied the mariel boat plift. there are going to be things you didn't know before, but also, all other americans will say, this meshes with the american history i already know in all kind of unexpected ways. >> ifill: you know, even in the introduction i referred to spanish americans, latino americans, it's a kind of a catch-all but it doesn't really catch it all, does it?
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>> suarez: i keep coming back in the book to the idea of people who came from what was the spanish-speaking empire in the western hemisphere. and that catches everybody, and it catches all the different times in american history that they've come for all different reasons. you know, latinos are a unique group inside this country because they were already here. they weren't immigrants. and they have been immigrants for a century and-- >> ifill: and they keep coming even today. some immigrant groups came and basically stopped. >> most immigrant groups. there's a run-up, a big spike in their arrivals, and then a tapering off, historically. the italians, the irish, the polish, the jews of eastern europe. there was a big time of arrival, and then it tapers off to nothing. latinos have been coming for every century since the spaniard came to what is now the united states. >> ifill: the other thing you write about which we spent a lot of time on in this year, 2013, the 50th anniversary of all
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the events of 1963, talking about the civil rights movement, the march on washington. but there was a hispanic civil rights movement, a very distinctive one, that paralleled the african american civil rights movement but which you hear a lot less about. >> paralleled it, was inspired by the civil rights movement, cross-polinated and cross-fertilized with it. martin luther king was in contact with hugo chavez. we forget sometimes just what a ructious time the 1960s were. but it wasn't just the struggle for full black citizenship and full black civil rights. mendez versus westminster was a precursor case to "brown versus the boferred education" that led to the diseg dpaigz of schools in the united states. mexican schools was a phrase that people used easily in the southwest to talk about the inferior and less-well-financed set of schools that they had for mexican kids to go to. >> ifill: you had one
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illustration in the book of a no spanish speakers, no mexican here signs, that looked exactly to me like the calendars versus whites only in the south. >> and similarly there were problems getting served in restaurants. there were problems getting realtors to show you homes that you could afford but they had decided you weren't going to live in that neighborhood. >> ifill: you talked to some folks in want southwest who talked about how we didn't cross the border. the border crossed us. talk about that. >> you know, people as prominent as the former senator and secretary of the interior, sanasar, people as well known as eva longoria, their families have been in the united states since long before there was a united states. there are land grant maps from the spanish going back to the 17th century that shows how its first big encounter in that part of the world between the spanish empire and the american indian nations of that part of the world was really a huge,
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huge struggle that shaped that area, but it was long settled by the time americans-- english-speaking americans-- started to arrival from back east and changed the political calculus in that part of the world. >> ifill: like other immigrants, african americans among them, hispanic americans were patriots. they fought for their country even when their country wasn't fighting for them. >> suarez: if there's one thing i want people to take away from the act of reading this book it's to even remember or learn for the first time how much the people i write about loved this country and all they wanted was to be accepted like anybody else in return, and they kept that love, kept that affection, and kept that struggle going, even when they were getting nothing but the back of the hand from america. it's a remarkable story. instead of become alienated and angry and removed and creating a separate society inside the country, they kept fighting for acceptance. >> ifill: one of the latino
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americans you write in the book is someone i bet most of our viewers-- in fact many latino americans-- never heard her name. isabel gonzales. >> suarez: isabel gonzales is a beautiful story because it illustrates that pushing, pushing for acceptance at a time when port reekans were of indetermine nationality. after the united states took that island in the spanish american war, it wasn't clear whether they were citizens of the island but not citizens of the united states, whether they were immigrants if they came to america or people who were moving like somebody moving from new jersey to massachusetts. she arrives at ellis island-- she arrives in new york harbor, and they tell her she has to go to ellis island like an immigrant. she said, "hey, i'm from puerto rico. the american flag flies over san juan, flies over the government buildings. i'm not an immigrant." and even after it was established that she could legally move-- she married someone who was legally resident-- so the case was moot. she fought it all the way to the
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supreme court, famous case, and established the right of puerto ricans to be considered people who were part of these united states. in some ways she's puerto rican immigrant number one by establishing that in law. puerto ricans were not to become citizens until many years later, but her case set the press department. we had laws for sacks of coffee and sugar cane and coconuts and bananas and everything else but we hadn't really thought about the people. what are we going to do with them? and isabel gonzales solved that problem. >> ifill: ray, your book say real contribution to our understanding of who we as americans. thanks so much for writing it. "the latino americans: the 500-year legacy that shaped a nation." thanks. >> woodruff: ray's book was released in conjunction with a pbs special three-part, six-hour documentary series of the same name. "latino americans" chronicles five centuries of history, and debuts next tuesday at 8:00 p.m.
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eastern. >> woodruff: and to the analysis of shields and brooks. that's syndicated columnist mark shields and "new york times" columnist david brooks. so, welcome to the new format, gentlemen. >> thank you. >> at scary. >> woodruff: scary! what a difference a week makes, a proposal to get-- >> priewfl for a military strike, david, turns into an effort to get a peace deal. what do you expect is going to come out of these talks in geneva? >> i'm a lil worried that we're entering a little diplomatic morass here. that's in part because the arms response seems to be off the table. the congress clearly is in no need mood to approve this thing, and i think without congressional approval, even that leverage you have in the background of diplomatic talks is pretty much gone. the u.s. leverage is severely diminished, i think, and i think everybody knows that, especially in the region. when you get to the talks, there
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are preliminary agreements to sit down, but there are a whole series of things that i think are trouble sell. one is assad is beginning to make a few demands-- if i give up my weapons you have to give me something-- he wantaise reward for using the weapons. there's a possibility-- and maybe they'll surprise me-- but there's a possibility that th thing will just drag on and on and on, and we'll effectively have no answer. >> woodruff: drag omark? >> i don't think it can, judy. i think there have to be timetables, drop-dead dates, and that is the only way it's going to work for secretary kerry, for the president. the two positions this week in town that one should not listen to it, a, this was part of the master plan on the part of the administration it'se it'sed is t at the improv.
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they may have been luck wethe putin. the other is the thet of military force was not determinant. it was. the threat of the united states using military force, and i don't think that can be removed from the equation. and that's what brought-- i was encouraged by putin's editorial in the "new york times," his op-ed page piece. i think it shows he's invested in this now, some of his own stature and status and self-importance is involved in this being resolved. >> woodruff: and does that matter? meanwhile, david, there's talk that the president's stature is diminished? >> i think both those things are true. i think putin is loving this. that op-ed piece in the "times" was a bit of an end zone dance. he was enjoying it. and the president is diminished. this has not been a good week for the president, a good couple of weeks for the president. it's an issue-- in my view, once the red line was crossed he should have done something, people would have explained complaind and we would have been done with it. now it is central to his
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presidency and a no-win situation. i have to disagree with mark. i think the armed response is off the table. you can set a dead line or else but there is nowhere else. >> there's an old rule in town, judy, that an ideologue believes what is right works and a pragmatist believes what works is right. if this turns out well, and i think the biggest shortcoming and defect is that assad remains in office, and that is a problem. but if it does lead to a negotiated settlement of the syrian civil war, i mean, remember this-- there are 21 million people in syria. seven million of them are refugees, or dislocated. imagine 100 million people in the united states being refugees out of our population or dislocated. it is a crise, a humanitarian crisis of historic dimensions. >> woodruff: does it matter, though, who is up and who is down if there can be some kind of solution, positive solution
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thats out of this, either on the weapons or-- >> if thams, then i say, barack obama will get another nobel peace prize, maybe three or four more. i'm just a little skeptical. assad is winning this war. he's winning the international war. i'm not sure he's going to be in a mood to start compromising with the opposition, especially given the furious hatreds that are already there. one of the interesting dynamics that is also out there is the emergence of john kerry as a bit of an independent player. this has been a very centralized foreign policy process in this white house. >> no! >> like everything else in the white house. >> woodruff: you mean independent of the white house. >> i'd say he has more independence already than hillary did, for all her strength of personality and strength of character, he's sort of carved out a little course for himself in the midst of this. and, you know, maybe he can lead in a slightly different direction, in part because the reputation of the president, frankly, in foreign policy is in a little dip. >> there is a great advantage john kerry has. this is his last stand.
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unlike hillary, who at least is prospectively a presidential candidate. this is it for john kerry. john kerry's career will be written and defined not simply by having bye-bye a presidential scnd and senator for massachusetts for some 30 years, but basically what he did as secretary of state, and i think the commitment and passion he has brought to it speaks for itself already. >> woodruff: we hear he is going to israel this weekend, following up the talks with the russians, and he's been involved in trying bring peace to the middle east, between the israelis and the palmieris. >> another likely prospect. >> woodruff: let's turn to something we've never discussed before, and that is the capitol hill and the failure to come to some kind of an agreement, david, on the budget. this week, the republicans in the house tried it's leadership tried to bring a vote to the floor. it was the conservatives in their own party that said no. why wheredo things stand right now? >> if i was irrationalally
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pessimistic about the middle east, i'm irrationally optimistic about the budget thing. somehow i think we will not have a budget shutdown-- >> woodruff: you mean government shutdown. >> what's going on in the house, and a bit in the senate, too, is what you might call the rise of ted cruz-ism. and the senator from canada through texas, is basically not a legislator in the normal sense, does not have an idea he's going to congress, create coalitions, make alliances and is going to pass a lot of legislation. he's going in more as a media protest person, and a lot of the house republicans are in the same mode. they're not normal members of congress. they're not legislators. they want to stop things. and so they're just-- they just want to obstruct. and the second thing they're doing which is alarming a lot of republicans, they're running against their own party. ted cruz is running against republicans in the senate, the house republican tea party types are running against the republican establishment. that's how they're raising money. that's where they're spending their money on ads and they're
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having a very instructive role going on this week and i think it will make john boehner's life even more difficult. >> if john boehner wanted to pass a damage he could do it. there are enough democrats and republicans in his own caucus. the problem is he's terrorized by the-- these people david's talking about, the tea party people. the rule or ruin people-- mostly ruin because they're not really interested in ruling-- and what they're facing, judy, is the worst of all-- these are people who live in a fantasy world. they wanted to repeal obamacare. obamacare will never be repealed. now they want to defund obamacare. and there is not a single vote on the democratic side in the senate nobring it to the floor if it even passed the house. i mean, harry reid said yesterday-- i think he likes john boehner-- he said very candidly, i feel sorry for john boehner. there was probably nothing worse you could say to the a speaker of the house. john boehner i think has to face, can he lead-- leadership means getting people to do that which they really don't want to
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do. and i don't know if these people-- if in fact it does shut down-- and i think there's a lot better chance of it than david does. >> woodruff: you do? >> these are people not living in reality. it is going to be on the republican hands and it's the one thing, that the one thing that could change the equation for the 2014 house wages. right now is looks like the deck is stacked for the republicans the way the districts are drawn. this could reshuffle the deck if they bring it down. people like mike simpson from idaho, respected house member, are warning-- shaef said we can't do this. we can't pass it. we can't close down government. we're one-sixth of the government the house republicans are. >> woodruff: you're saying it's not a side show. it's something that could turn everything upside down. >> i think they will reach a last-minute deal but i have no evidence. what mark says is persuasive. in both bodies, the leaderships'
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inability to force any discipline. that's partly because a lot of these people are not interested in the committee assignments, the normal leverage of leadership has, in part because the earmarks are gone-- >> woodruff: you're talking in both parties now? >> it's more evident right now in the republican party, i would say. >> yes, it is. >> so the leadership can't impose any discipline on a ted cruz. what ted cruz and some of the tea party people, their object is not to win obamacare. their object is to take over the republican party and for ted cruz to potentially get the nomination. to mobilize enough republicans and take over the party and really transform the party, then that becomes the object. one little straw in the wind, the heritage foundation, a prominent conservative think tank, is running against exprns that's part of the change going on. >> woodruff: jim demanipulate. >> take over an anti-health care, anti-immigration party that has the affection and loyalty of a diminishing number of american veert-- voters.
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that's why i say they're living in a fantasy. >> there are three or four counties in mississippi that would care. >> woodruff: this weekend is the anniversary, the fifth anniversary of the financial collapse which we be what it did to this country, to the economy. what's the legacy of that, mark, five years later? >> the legacy, judy, is 100% of the economic growth-- of the income growth, 100%, more than, has gone to the top 5%. 95% of the income growth in this country has gone to the top 1%. if more than 100% has gone to the top, 95% has fallen back. there is a populist revolt waiting to be led. there is only one candidate who has tapped into it and that was elizabeth warren and she in 20 telph got support and financial support from all around the country. i'll make a prediction-- a wise person who has been through several presidential campaigns said to me today, that as iraq
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was the defining issue between democratic candidates in 2008, income inequality will be the defining and galvanizing issue among democratic presidential candidates in 2016. the obama administration has really not responded to it in any way. and it's there. there's an anger and fury, and it spills across party lines. but it's particularly keenly felt among democrats. >> i'm sort of interested in this. if you had told me there would be a financial crise centered on wall street, an oil spill by a big oil company, wage stagnations over decades and widening inequality, i would say we would be in an era of liberal progressive renaissance, the left would be on the march. there is elizabeth warren, but ooum not sure i see the left on the march and that's i think because it's still true people distrust government so they see the problems but they don't see solutions because they don't think government is a viable offering for the problem. so i think there will be a populist movement in the
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democratic party but i'm not sure it will be as big as maybe mark feels. >> debecauseio swept across every demgraphic group by not running for the poor-- he did graes the poor-- the income gap, it was against the rich. the democratic primary in new york city is not representative of country but i think there's nothing more imitative than american politics. if it works you'll see other people following. >> woodruff: we may want to talk about this some more in the future. mark shields, david brooks, thank you both. >> thank you, judy. >> woodruff: finally, we take a look at the nation's largest outdoor art festival-- burning man. and how it's massive sculptures are popping up beyond their annual desert home. our report is by thuy vu of kqed public television in san francisco. >> reporter: every year
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thousands of artists make the trek to nevada to display their work in one of the most extreme environments imaginable. for one week, five square miles of the black rock desert is transformed into a more than 300 piece exhibition of radical self-expression. >> it is like the greatest museum ever. you have your piece there, you don't see any other pieces around it and you see this vastness of the desert. being able to see the change in scale, from something from a distance and then being able to get right up to it and climb on top of it and actually touch it is amazing. >> reporter: core to burning man culture is its non-commercial nature. nothing's for sale here. it's purely art for art's sake. many of the desert playas most awe-inspiring pieces are no temporal flights of fancy. structures like these require months of painstaking and carefully planned design. most of which happens in the place where burning man got its start, the san francisco bay area.
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>> there's definitely a community of artists that i'm not sure would exist at least not in this form without burning man. and it's become a mecca for people to come here and be part of this scene. >> reporter: a prime example: the boxshop artists collective in san francisco, a hub of creative innovation year-round. tell me what were looking at here. >> this is all steel, it's disassembled at the moment but all these pieces fit together on the structure. >> reporter: it's main tenants are a female-driven group who collaborate on jaw-dropping kinetic sculptures for burning man. >> flaming lotus girls is a group of 200 individuals. and we make art together. we teach people, particularly women, how to do all parts of the art making process through this one big group sculpture. if you can get into it you can never leave, it's addictive. >> reporter: part of that addiction, a decade-long fascination with fire and designs that push the limits of interactive mechanical art.
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>> one thing that we believe in is making immersive environments. you actually walk into and become part of the art. >> reporter: this year they're crafting one of their most ambitious pieces yet, xylophage is a giant tree stump with enormous mushrooms that spout fire and sound effects. it takes hundreds of hours of volunteer labor to bring such an intricate design alive. jackie britton flew all the way from london to be a flaming lotus girl. >> what am i helping you with? >> we are making bark for big stumpy, so you start with a bit of metal, you flatten it like this, and then you smack it with a hammer. it's not massively dangerous. >> okay, that's good to know that it's not massively dangerous! >> reporter: jackie's what the group affectionately calls a minion, ready to take on any task that's needed. >> well that's suitably barky. >> hey, you know what, two down, 100,000 more to go. >> reporter: one week later, xylophage makes its debut at
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burning man. >> you kind of have an idea of what it's going to look like but it always turns out different and its really the road there and creating something a lot of other people are going to enjoy. >> reporter: like the burning man himself, much of the art here goes up in smoke at the end of the week. but over the past decade the influence of burning man has spread, as an increasing number of these sculptures are finding new homes in urban settings. as executive director of the black rock arts foundation tomas mccabe helps fund community- based interactive art projects all with a burning man aesthetic, like futures past by kate raudenbush. >> future's past is obviously like a mayan temple, this is all modeled after circuit board, circuitry. >> reporter: the foundation's first project was a david best temple in hayes valley. >> we set up the temple and people started writing on it and in the beginning police would stop people from vandalizing. we had to like actually
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acculturate the police and the local residents. well that's what it's for. >> reporter: over the past eight years the black rock arts foundation has supported more than 30 civic arts projects in the bay area and beyond. one of the best known is bliss dance on treasure island. >> there is an iphone app where you have a photo of the sculpture on your phone and you can slide your finger up and down the sculpture and the lights will change according to which colors you select. marco cochrane has been working for years with life size bronzes, and he's taken this classical art form to a whole other level of scale and technology. >> reporter: palo alto will soon be home to artist charlie gadekan's aurora, a piece he's shown at multiple festivals across the country and is readying to install outside city hall. >> this will have technology that the city can use to change lights according to energy usage or the weather or whatever the city wants to do. >> reporter: the black rock arts foundation is not the sole champion of burning man artists. >> i think the biggest example of burning man art making itself
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into the mainstream art culture is leo villareal's bay lights. so he took a bridge that was nearly two miles long and created an entire l.e.d. art piece on that bridge. >> reporter: the installation was privately financed to the tune of $8 million. donors included yahoo c.e.o. marissa mayer, among a new crop of silicon valley patrons of technology-based interactive art. and soon, pending final approval by the city, the san francisco waterfront will boast yet another former burning man creation. this one courtesy of the flaming lotus girls. >> well, we've made so many pieces where we will make the piece for burning man, we'll break it at burning man, and then bring it back and work on it and make it perfect. but definitely burning man for flaming lotus girls at least is where we were born, where we begin and so that is a special place for us.
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>> woodruff: again, the major developments of the day: u.s. and russian negotiators worked into the night in geneva, on putting syria's chemical weapons under international control. one u.s. official reported the two sides were at a pivotal point. and thousands of people in colorado faced a flooded landscape and the prospect of more rain. online, the least-known, best retirement deal on the market today. one of our guest columnists breaks down annuities. that's on making sense. and, how ocean acidification poses a threat to crabs in the north pacific. that's on our science page. all that and more is on our website >> woodruff: and a preview of a story coming up tomorrow on the "pbs newshour" weekend. almost 10,000 americans die each year in accidents involving drunk drivers. the national transportation safety board has said lives would be saved if the legally permitted blood alcohol level
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was lowered from the current .08 to .05. the canadian province of british columbia has done just that with startling results. here's an excerpt from correspondent william brangham's report. >> in 2010, the provincial government not only stiffened penalties driving at .08 but targeted drivers who fall below that level, to .05, drivers who are not legally drunk. the rationale-- 99 a few drinks, as few as two for a woman and three fair man, can impair your ability to drive. the big change was that if you are now caught driving with a .05 blood alcohol level, the police were authorized, on the spot to fine you, suspend your driver's license, and immediately impound your car for at least three days. they would get you out of the vehicle and a tow truck would haul it away. >> woodruff: "pbs newshour weekend" airs on most pbs stations saturday and sunday.
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