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captioning sponsored by newshour productions, llc >> to the people of baltimore and demonstrators nationwide, i have heard your calls for "no justice, no peace" >> woodruff: six police officers are charged in the death of freddie gray, now being called a homicide. good evening, i'm judy woodruff. also ahead: >> you can buy potato chips and cigarettes and soda, but no real food. >> woodruff: food deserts grow after rioters destroy baltimore stores and corner shops. hard-hit neighborhoods hunger for food and peace on the streets. >> i know there's a lot of attention here on freddie gray, but don't forget what we living. and what we must continue to
fight to decrease. >> woodruff: plus, addiction, infection, and what a small town can do to combat both. austin, indiana searches for solutions to a drug problem that is decimating its citizens. >> woodruff: and it's friday mark shields and david brooks are here to analyze the week's news. those are some of the stories we're covering on tonight's "pbs newshour." >> major funding for the pbs newshour has been provided by:
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being arrested last month, and died a week later. now, the city's chief prosecutor has formally charged police with murder, manslaughter and assault. >> woodruff: state's attorney marilyn mosby was grim-faced as she emerged from baltimore's landmark "war memorial" building. >> the findings of our comprehensive, thorough and independent investigation coupled with the medical examiners determination that mr. gray's death was a homicide, which we received today has led us to believe that we have probable cause to file criminal charges. >> woodruff: in all, she said, six police officers will have to answer for their actions in the death of freddie gray. >> i assured his family that no one is above the law and that i would pursue justice on their behalf. >> woodruff: mosby said there was no justification for gray's arrest in the first place-- and that his knife was not an illegal switchblade, as police
had claimed. she laid out a detailed time- line of the events of april 12th. according to mosby, gray first ran from police at the intersection of baltimore's north avenue and mount street. a few blocks away, he surrendered and was handcuffed, his complaints he could not breathe, ignored. next he was loaded into a transport van, where mosby said officers did nothing to keep him from being thrown around. >> at no point was he secured by the seatbelt while the wagon contrary to a bdp general order. >> woodruff: at the first stop, officers put gray in so-called "flex cuffs" and leg shackles, but again, no seat belt. mosby said that's when the crucial moment came. >> following transport from baker's street, mr. gray suffered a severe and critical neck injury as a result of being handcuffed, shackled by his feet and unrestrained inside of the b.p.d. police wagon. >> woodruff: then, at mosher
street and fremont avenue, mosby said, the van's driver checked on gray, but ignored his pleas for medical aid. again, at dolphin st and druid hill avenue, two officers did nothing for gray-- according to investigators-- even though he kept saying he could not breathe. >> despite mr gray's appeals for a medic, both officers assessed mr. gray's condition and at no point did either of them restrain mr. gray per p.b.d. general order, nor did they render or request medical assistance. >> woodruff: the van was then called to pick up a second prisoner. by that point, gray was unresponsive, but the prosecutor said: >> despite mr gray's seriously deteriorating medical condition, no medical assistance was rendered or summoned for mr. gray at that time by any officer. >> woodruff: when the van finally arrived at baltimore's western district police station, gray's condition had worsened significantly.
>> mr. gray was no longer breathing at all. a medic was finally called to the scene where upon arrival a medic determined that mr. gray was now in cardiac arrest and was critically and severely injured. >> woodruff: gray was rushed to a local hospital for surgery. he died one week later. the case touched off days of protests demanding the officers be prosecuted. mosby's response today followed an investigation by police-- and a separate probe by her own office. alone among the six, the driver of the van-- officer ceasar goodson-- was charged with second degree murder. he's also accused of manslaughter and other crimes. lieutenant brian rice is accused of manslaughter, along with assault, misconduct and false imprisonment. officer william porter and sergeant alicia white face similar counts, as do officers edward nero and garret miller--
involved in gray's initial arrest. but they escaped manslaughter >> these charges are an important step for getting justice. >> woodruff: the police union said the six officers charged were not responsible for gray's death. >> we believe that the actions taken today by the state's attorney are an egregious rush to judgment and we have grave concerns about the fairness and integrity of the prosecution of our officers. >> woodruff: while baltimore mayor stephanie rawlings-blake said she was sickened by the findings. >> to those of you who wish to engage in brutality in conduct, racism and corruption, let me be clear, there is no place in the baltimore city police department for you. >> woodruff: at the white
house, president obama called for justice to be served. >> it is absolutely vital that the truth comes out on what happened to mr. freddie gray. >> woodruff: on the street, most people welcomed the announcement of charges, in the wake of monday's riots and the deployment of the national guard. >> oh i'm feeling amazing, today is a vast differences from what we saw on monday. today's there's celebrating the news that came down from marilyn mosby and we're really proud of her. but i'm relieved that some justice had come out of this situation because it was going to get crazy because we're tired. >> woodruff: mosby addressed those hopes and fears in her statement today, and called for the city to stay calm. >> i urge you to channel the energy peacefully as we prosecute this case. i have heard your calls for "no justice, no peace." however, your peace is sincerely
needed as i work to deliver justice on behalf of freddie gray. >> woodruff: meanwhile, baltimore police lined again this afternoon as new demonstrations geared up. more protests are planned for this weekend. we'll take a closer look at the charges brought today, after the news summary. in new jersey, a former port authority official pleaded guilty to conspiracy today in a scandal over closing lanes on a major bridge. david wildstein was an ally of republican governor chris christie. wildstein said the closings were aimed at a mayor who refused to endorse christie. two former aides to christie are also under indictment, but the governor was not implicated today. he's a potential presidential candidate next year. rescuers in nepal spent another day searching for earthquake survivors, but found only bodies, as the death toll neared 6,300. meanwhile, much-needed humanitarian aid trickled into some of the hardest-hit areas. jonathan miller of independent television news reports. >> reporter: relief agencies are
being asked to move mountains to get aid to remote quake struck villages. but today we found the mountain villagers themselves moving aid. they've come from four communities, several hours walkaway in a region called manka which has been almost totally devastated. the bereaved, the destitute, the injured and the hungry have converged on this local relief hub. six days have gone by since the quake and this is the first aid delivery in the small town of khadichaur. we're about 2.5 hours up the road from kathmandu. all the surrounding villages in these hills have been flattened and more than 70 people killed. and today for the first time villagers have come down to khadichaur to pick up these sacks of rice. they've all been donated by three local businessmen. there is no foreign aid here at all.
relief agencies are accused of a sluggish response but kathmandu's small airport has been so swamped that aid cargo planes have been denied landing slots. the backlog is now being cleared. the u.n.'s put up huge tented warehouses but there's only one forklift in action so things here move slowly. logistics personnel are exasperated-- and all this before logistics coordinators confront nepal's geographical challenges. >> when you look at nepal as a country, i mean it's mountains. we're surrounded by mountains. you can't swing a dead cat without hitting a mountain here. access, getting to the field is a huge problem. >> reporter: local nepali aid groups are meanwhile bogged down in bureaucracy, trying to get supplies out of the airport. at the vanguard of this mission impossible, nepal's limited number of helicopters are working flat out rescuing remote villagers and delivering food. but there are hundreds and hundreds of villages and not
enough helicopters. >> woodruff: the united nations estimates some two million people in nepal will need shelter, food, water and medicine over the next few months. this was may day, and leftist groups and unions marked it as "international workers day" around the world. demonstrations were largely peaceful in places like madrid and athens, where thousands of people turned out. but in turkey, crowds defied a government ban and tried to march to istanbul's main square. that sparked clashes with police, who used tear gas and water cannon to disperse the protesters. in central africa, some 500 students camped out in front of the u.s. embassy in burundi today, fearing government retaliation for a week of protests. demonstrations broke out last weekend, after the president announced he'll seek a new five-year term. he's already ruled for ten years. the protesters say his decision violates the country's constitution. back in this country, u.s. and canadian officials announced sweeping new safety rules for trains carrying oil.
new tanker cars would have to be built to stronger standards to prevent fires, and thousands of older cars would be phased out in three to ten years. transportation secretary anthony foxx spoke in washington. >> the truth is that 99.9% of these shipments reach their destination safely. the accidents involving crude and ethanol that have occurred though, have shown us that 99.9% isn't enough. we have to strive for perfection. >> woodruff: the rules follow a series of fiery oil train crashes in the u.s. and canada including four this year. incidents of sexual assault in the u.s. military declined more than 25% over the past two years. the pentagon reported the drop today, but said the problem still remains far too common. it also said well over half of female victims said they've faced retaliation for reporting assaults. wall street bounced back today
from yesterday's losses. the dow jones industrial average gained 180 points to close back above 18,000. the nasdaq rose 64 points, and the s-and-p 500 added 22. for the week, the dow and the s-and-p lost a fraction of a percent. the nasdaq was down 1.7%. and rock 'n roll hall of famer ben e. king has died. he passed away thursday in teaneck, new jersey, his home of many years. king was lead singer for "the drifters" in the late 1950's and early '60's, then became a solo star. his hits included "stand by me," an enduring classic that he performed at the kennedy center in washington in 2008. >> ♪ when the night has come and the land is dark and the moon is ♪ the only light we'll see and
no i won't be afraid ♪ oh i won't be afraid just as long as you stand ♪ stand by me ♪ >> woodruff: ben e. king was 76 years old. still to come on the newshour: we examine the charges against the six police officers in the death of freddie gray; plus, how baltimore struggles to end crime and hunger in hard-hit neighborhoods after riots; an h.i.v. outbreak of historic proportion in indiana; mark shields and david brooks on the week's news; and boxing's fight of the century. >> woodruff: we return now to the events in baltimore and the decision by the top prosecutor there to charge six police
officers in the death of freddie gray. joining me to discuss those charges are david harris a professor of law at the university of pittsburgh school of law and author of the book "profiles in justice: why racial profiling cannot work." and debbie hines is a former baltimore prosecutor who today practices law in washington, d.c. we welcome you both. debbie hines, let me start with you as someone who was a prosecutor formerly in baltimore. what was your reaction when you heard about these charges today? >> well, i think my reaction was the same as everyone's reaction. it was total shock and surprise. i'm pleasantly pleased prosecutor mosby did her own investigation and came to the conclusion she came to. >> woodruff: let me ask you the same question, david harris. what was your reaction when you heard, and how unusual is it to see police officers charged this way by a prosecutor without a
grand jury? >> well it's unusual to see police officers charged at all. to be charged without a grand jury, that's a common thing, actually, in the jurisdiction of maryland. prosecutors can swear out an information and that allows them to charge based simply on their own sworn statements. i was surprised, too, by the swiftness with which the whole process moved and i think that is really one of the big takeaways here. no longer are we seeing prosecutors and police departments wait and wait and sit on their findings for long periods of time. we are see ago swiftness and a sureness that i think we would not have seen a year ago and i attribute that all pretty much to the post-ferguson change in atmosphere. >> woodruff: debbie hines are you seeing the same sort of change david harris talks about? >> i'm hoping we're seeing a change. i think it might be a little premature to see that we are
seeing a change. i think that in baltimore, the circumstances are such because of the prosecutor herself who is new, she hasn't been entrenched into the system, and i think she did what was the right and the fair thing but i'm just hoping this will be the trend to start, but i think it's a little too soon to actually say that. >> >> woodruff: david harris, how strong would you say the case is based on what we heard today from the prosecutor marilyn mosby? she laid out very specific details in the description of what happened on the day freddie gray was arrested. >> yes. a lot of charges against all six police officers including two homicide charges of depraved heart second-degree murder and some manslaughter charges. it is going to be a difficult case to prove, i think. any case against a police officer is a difficult one to make. the jury comes into the jury room with the idea that the
police are given the benefit of the doubt that they're the good guys, and that has to be overcome in any case. here we've got substantial questions about the mechanism of the injury -- how did it happen, who was responsible for it? because you notice the prosecutor said he suffered a neck injury, a very severe injury. she did not say somebody did that to his neck. that indicates to me that the mechanism of the injury how it was caused, that will be a central sort of core part of the proof she'll need to bring, and i expect this will be a tough one. it won't be easy and i have to say that the people who are celebrating this as a victory, they may be celebrating. these are all tough cases. >> woodruff: we should clarify there is only one charge of second-degree murder against the officer driving the van. debbie hines what about you, do you agree this is a tough case
to prove or does it look like the prosecutor has made a strong case here? of course, the attorney for the police union is saying the police are not responsible for freddie gray's death. he called it an egregious rush to judgment. >> well, i think the only charge that i've seen from what she's laid out that might be difficult is second-degree murder, particularly the charge that it's coming under depraved heart standard, because it's a little different, it's not necessarily that you have to prove that someone did something, as opposed to they didn't do something that put someone in a position of endangerment of their life. so i think that charge is going to be a little difficult to prove. but as to the voluntary manslaughter charges, i think it fits within the textbook definition of manslaughter. not that it's an intentional killing but not so much that you didn't intend what you've done.
in this case, they criminally neglected freddie gray. i think those charges may be easier to prove than the second degree murder charges and of course the ode ones are just assault charges. >> woodruff: to clarify the depraved heart part of the second-degree murder charge, you're saying that's a different standard? >> oh yes, the second-degree murder charge is a much higher standard. it's not first degree where first degree is the highest form and requires premeditation. it requires no premeditation but does require that you did something that you consciously knew would seriously and recklessly endanger someone's life. so the facts she is showing to come out is actually the driving getting out of the van, seeing the condition that freddie gray was in at that time and doing nothing. that's the fact that she -- at least the alleged fact she's going with on that charge. >> woodruff: david harris as
someone who's looked at police charged with misconduct in many different kinds of circumstances, how do you expect this to unfold? >> well, we're going to learn a lot more in the coming days than we actually know now. what we know now is there were charges and we have an outline of the facts according to the prosecutor. it's important to remember we've only heard this side of the story and we always hear more than one side when a case gets to court. so we'll learn a lot more. we'll learn the content of the medical examiner's report and more about the police investigation and that will tell us how difficult a case it will be. i agree the second edegree depraved heart charge will be a tough one. it requires proof not of intentional killing but extreme recklessness. throwing there's a big risk to somebody's life and taking the risk anyway. when we know more about what the
case looks like in its details we'll have a better idea of how likely it is that the prosecutor can prove that. right now she says she has probable cause to proceed. that's the right standard for this time in the case and she's going forward. so what will happen is we'll get a fuller picture, both sides and eventually the case will come to court. >> woodruff: we thank you both, david harris and debbie hines. >> thank you. become a too common post-riot >> woodruff: the rifts in baltimore exposed by the freddie gray case go far beyond just police and justice. hari sreenivasan brings us the story from a neighborhood that was struggling before the unrest with gang violence and hunger. >> sreenivasan: on this thursday, schoolchildren at matthew henson elementary helped unload boxes of donated food from local food banks, and grocery stores. the kids, stacked them, carted them and stored them in what has become a too common post-riot ritual in this baltimore
community: food distribution. the fist-bumping orioles fan is dr. marvin cheatham, a retired civil rights leader and current head of the matthew henson neighborhood association. >> you can't point fingers at anyone specifically but for 25 years at least this community has been neglected. >> sreenivasan: since the rioters destroyed at least four convenience stores in the neighborhood, it has been that much harder for people here to get the basics. >> no meats, no vegetables, no fruits, no poultry, no fish none of that. you can buy potato chips and cigarettes and soda, but no real food. >> sreenivasan: that's because convenience stores are the only stores nearby. these streets are already part of what the department of agriculture calls a food desert- a place with low income populations that have little access to fresh foods and a grocery store. one in five people in baltimore lives in a food desert. >> we have 15 liquor stores in our area. >> sreenivasan: and not one grocery store? >> not one grocery store
>> sreenivasan: at nearby st. peter claver church, pastor ray bomberger is feeling the surge of need from his neighbors, they are hungry. >> there's always need in this neighborhood, there's always need, but now its like everybody. >> sreenivasan: the supply of donations and the demand for food has ebbed and flowed since the monday riots. >> most people here live day to day. you know, they can't afford to stockpile food, and they have no place to go, they need somewhere. >> sreenivasan: the pastor knows the handouts are a short term solution. >> what this needs to drive is to is to really seek out those basic fundamental needs that underlie all the difficulties. >> sreenivasan: he sees the deeper issues that underlie the recent unrest, issues that these men are trying to address head on. >> i know there's a lot of attention here on freddie gray, but don't forget what we living. and what we must continue to fight to decrease. >> sreenivasan: this is the
weekly gathering of the 300 men march group; a two year old men's organization focused on stopping gun violence in baltimore. >> men need to get off the couch and step outside and be more accountable for what's going on in the neighborhood. women have a role too, but historically in baltimore men have been neglectful in their roles, in my opinion. >> sreenivasan: we caught up with munir bahar at the abandoned building he converted to a fitness and health center for kids and adults alike, to find out how they plan to tackle these underlying problems. >> we canvas high crime neighborhoods, we call them street engagement operations. we go out every friday night june through october, every friday night to engage all the young guys that we see outside, and we deliver that primary message, we gotta stop killin' each other. >> sreenivasan: they say their focused approach already brought crime down for a summer in the belair edison neighborhood, and the goal is to scale up and go citywide to reduce killings.
>> what happened to freddie gray, its paramount that we get to the bottom of it, that's one issue but we have nine other issues that are equally as important. >> sreenivasan: since tuesday there have already been fourteen shootings and homicides are up 25% this year. bahar says the focus on police on black crime misses a larger fact. >> i can tell you as a young black man i know, as most young black men know, the chances of you getting killed by another black man far outnumber the chances of you getting killed by a police. >> sreenivasan: in the wake of the riots, 300 men took on a new role, standing between protesters and police. >> we want to see peace between everybody, so that's an effort to sort of protect the protester. from getting themselves hurt and possibly getting themselves killed. >> sreenivasan: bahar says regardless of whether the baltimore police officers are found guilty or innocent of freddie gray's death, his organization does not stand with the protestors or the police.
they stand for, and are trying to create, a peaceful community, and hopefully a less hungry one. >> sreenivasan: hari sreenivasan pbs newshour baltimore. >> woodruff: in a first for indiana, the state's legislature this week passed a bill allowing drug users in areas with health outbreaks to trade used needles for clean ones. it's in response to an h.i.v. outbreak of historic proportions. sarah varney has our report from austin, near the kentucky border. this story was produced in collaboration with our partner kaiser health news. >> reporter: local churches in austin, indiana have taken to the streets to reclaim their neighborhoods from a drug-fueled h.i.v. epidemic that has decimated this all-american town. over the last month, this prayer walk has grown from a handful to hundreds.
austin is a largely white town of some 4,000 people, proud of its country roots and manufacturing plants that have held on despite hard times and growing poverty. it's a place where everyone knows everyone else but few families have escaped drug addiction. h.i.v. cases had been few and far between in this rural patch of southern indiana. but in january, the number of confirmed cases jumped to 11, then to 40, and now more than 140 people are infected. it's the largest h.i.v. outbreak in indiana history and the largest seen in rural america in many years. dr. william cooke is austin's only physician. he says the conditions for an outbreak have been ripe for a decade. >> we had a high incidence of drug use. that started off as just painkillers, people sharing their prescriptions with each
other, buying prescriptions, that sort of thing. and then somewhere around 2010 2011, that took a turn towards i.v. drug use. >> reporter: a prescription painkiller called opana had been reformulated and addicts found they now needed to inject it to reach a euphoric high. >> it wasn't surprising that h.i.v. came in next. >> reporter: cooke says his pleas for resources and financial help went unanswered until the number of h.i.v. cases spiked. then the response was swift. state and federal public health officials descended upon the town. they helped set up a testing and drug counseling clinic, deployed a mobile van and started tracking down those who shared needles or had sex with infected residents. public health officials urged republican governor mike pence to set aside his opposition to needle exchanges which he has said condone drug abuse and had long been illegal in indiana. using his executive authority though, pence agreed to a short- term, emergency needle exchange site in scott county where
addicts can pick up clean syringes. scott county public health nurse brittany combs says that practice has been shown to stop addicts from sharing old needles that can spread h.i.v. and often can keep discarded needles off the street. >> we give them enough needles to last a week because we want them to keep coming in every week. every single time somebody comes in, they get substance abuse treatment education. they get harm reduction education, and that's our goal. >> reporter: more than 7,000 syringes have been handed out so far. but with the emergency needle exchange program set to expire, the republican-dominated legislature voted to allow syringe programs for all high- risk regions in indiana. the evidence that needle exchanges can prevent new h.i.v. infections has done little to sway frightened neighbors who complain that the town's ditches, trash cans and playgrounds are awash in blood- stained syringes. >> over there at the apartment buildings, you find 'em everywhere.
everywhere layin' around. >> needles! >> my sister there, she found one in her son's yard, that's her grandson. see? little kids are even talkin' about the needles. four years old. >> reporter: emma jones says the outbreak has brought shame upon her town and spread false rumors about how h.i.v. is contracted. >> it's been a problem at school, because my little girl's playin' tennis one day, and a, they came in with another team to play 'em, and the other girls didn't wanna play with, with them, they said that the balls had h.i.v. in them. >> reporter: kris hunley says he used to be part of the problem. hunley has stopped using intravenous drugs and is h.i.v.-free. but he says even those addicts who have h.i.v. are driven more by their cravings than a need to take care of themselves. >> they're destitute, and hopeless. and actually, they're just worried about keeping themselves from being sick, you know? they see all this going on, but
at the same time, they're still hung with a stronghold of addiction, and they're not paying any attention. >> reporter: the town has clashed over the right way to respond: with neighborly love for those addicted versus a desire to arrest them or run them out of town. >> it's just here on the left. it's gonna be the mobile home here on the left. we made four arrests here last week, a grandmother and two grandchildren that were arrested out of that house. >> reporter: austin police chief donald spicer says people need help, but he has a job to do. he's made 30 drug-related arrests in the last three months. still he's well aware that fed up residents want him to do more. >> we can't just kick a door down 'cause we think you're dealing drugs. we must prove you're dealing drugs, establish probable cause, make the arrest, then prove in a court beyond a reasonable doubt that that's what they were doing. >> reporter: for now, in austin's neighborhoods tensions
are high. >> there's at least-- one, two-- yeah, that's our local drug heads. >> reporter: tammy breeding home-schools her children. she says dealers sell drugs on her street and drug-addled prostitutes flag down cars. the sign on her lawn and the gun on her hip, she hopes, will warn them off. >> i'm taking back my community i'm taking back my streets. if you don't like it, take your drugs and take yourself and go elsewhere. >> reporter: but that's exactly what health officials fear-- that infected addicts and even truckers traveling along interstate 65 who hire local prostitutes will carry the virus far and wide. they're worried it could spread quickly because the same conditions here in austin can be found in many towns across conditions here in austin can be america. for the pbs newshour, i'm sarah varney in austin, indiana. >> woodruff: and to the analysis
of shields and brooks. that's syndicated columnist mark shields and new york times columnist david brooks. gentlemen, the story today leading the program, mark, of course is baltimore and what some people say are stunning charges against six police officers in the death of freddie gray. is it your sense -- there was celebrating in the streets. is it your sense this raises confidence in our justice system in. >> certainly among the people immediately in the crowd today and i think probably across the city of baltimore but we know it's been swift -- the action's been swift but, obviously the police officers are innocent until they get their day in court. but it was done so quickly and the state's attorney showed a great command today and spoke about an independent
investigation she conducted, did not reveal many details about that. right now, any charge or action of indifference is not sustainable. >> woodruff: how did it seem to you? >> i aggressive fast. she certainly gave you an impression of what happened, which was that they basically let this guy bounce around in the back od the truck for a while which is almost nauseating in indifference to a human being. if that's the case, it is a dehumanizing thing they did. it is probably true for a lot of people who feel disrespected. it's a sharp maneuver. one question the police union made, the fact she's married to a politician in the area. >> woodruff: she's been h in the office two months. >> yeah, as i think about
husbands and wives both with prominent roles obviously we want that to happen. if you could accuse her of feeling political pressure, i don't know. we'll see. >> woodruff: mark? she was independently elected and it has been raised being a long-time incumbent. the thing about baltimore judy this isn't a classic deprivation, bigotry story whether a hate-filled, white segregationist power structure oppressing the black, this is an african-american city, a city with a black mayor, a black states attorney, black police commissioner and black city council president. what we're talking about is not the power structure politically of oppressing people we're talking about the indifference toward poverty and toward a situation of really deprivation in this country that essentially
went undebated in the election of 2012. you remember the mantra of the election is middle class, middle class, middle class. this is the first major city riot in the united states in the 2 is century. cincinnati in 2001 had four nights of rioting after a police officer killed an unarmed 19-year-old black male on traffic citations. no, i think this is different from the others, from charleston cleveland, rice. i think it's forcing us to address and go through the debate of what are we going to do about this. >> woodruff: and, in fact, the president said, david this week, we as a country have to do some soul searching. >> i would agree with soul searching. i disagree with indifference. i think the problem is not that we don't care. we don't know what the do. so if you look at poverty spending, with espend more than $14,000 per person in poverty. if we just took that money and handed it to a family of four in
poverty they would have annal doubled income. baltimore mad second highest spending in its educational system in the top 100 cities in america, $15,000 per kid. so a lot of spending there. sandtown, having a massive renewal project from the ten years led by the mayor and a big developer in baltimore, they put well over $100 million into the neighborhood trying to fix it. we heard now it's a neighborhood with no grocery store and a neighborhood where half the kids on any given day the absentee rate in high school is 50%. so we've tried a lot of stuff. the efforts are not failures. they've aleveiateed a lot of suffering burks we can cushion poverty, we don't know how to take concentrated areas of poverty and lift them in any real way. >> i think it has gone undebated in the country. it was not debated. show me where it was brought up
in any of the debates where i'm going to do something seriously about it. i do commend the efforts and i think what happens too often in this debate is one side said my goodness, if they would only be moral people and go to work every day and not drink or smoke everything would be okay and be devoted family people the moral solution. the other side says more money is the answer. i mean we've seen the deindustrialization hollowing out of american major cities. we saw african immigration in detroit with jobs, chicago baltimore, there is no bethlehem steel no more g.m. plant, there is no more western electric in baltimore, those jobs are gone. in its place, i don't know what economic hope is. >> i agree -- the truth is it's both. the family is a catastrophe.
the deindustrialization is a catastrophe. there has to be some sort of social structure. the person in "the washington post," mom heroin addict he cnd read, arrested four times already in his life. there's many things that are part economic part cultural. i gev obama credit, but i'm not sure he followed through aggressively, he talked in his first campaign talking about harlem children's zones and transplanting them around the country where they do everything. there's schools, boys and girls clubs, mentoring. we don't know what works and you try it all at once in a geographic zone. the obama administration spread it around but not as aggressively as we could. that's at least one mosul that's plausibly successful. >> woodruff: a lot more to think about certainly beyond what happened with the police
officers. no easy answers. you mentioned the presidential campaign mark. chris christie not implicated today but one of his top people was has now been charged in what turns out to be a political decision to shut down the bridge. what does that mean for chris christie? >> four or the five presidents elected before barack obama were governors, carter, clinton, bush and reagan. it's tough to run as a governor because you can boast about everything good happening in the state but you get blamed for everything bad. these were his appointees. this was done to close down the bridges to really inconvenience hundreds of thousands of people and families to make it difficult just as an act of political punishment against a mayor a democratic mayor who did not endorse governor christie in 2013. when you do something like that and you're a staff person appointed to the government, you
do it to please the governor, you're doing something on his behalf. is chris christie directly involved? no but this is the kind of black eye that tarnishes him and makes him stay home. 70% of the people in new jersey now want him to resign the governorship if he runs for president. this is a man who in 2012 was the most coveted endorsement in the country for republicans. chairp all chasing him. now he's a really lonely figure. >>. in the polls, he has high negatives. it's unsavory what happens. but a lot of politicians survived unsavory things. the clintons have. you can survive if you can offer the goods. what he's doing is going going to new hampshire doing town hall after town hall. we've seen candidates town hall to run their campaigns.
i wouldn't bet on it, but i wouldn't count him out. >> the credit rating of the state of new jersey has been lowered nine times since he has been governor. that's a tough one to fight back from. it really is. it plays into new jersey as a state afflicted by chronic corruption. >> woodruff: you mentioned the clintons. hillary clinton had at least a quieter week but still new information about whether her foundation should have disclosed charity, should have disclosed money coming in and now, david she has a challenger, bernie sanders, the senator from vermont. does this up hillary clinton's chances? >> no, i think sanders will have a following. there's a need for a real progressive. he certainly is that. if you look at the candidates that get youth cult followings they like bernie sanders, rand
paul, they're more crusty seem authentic and they get followings. in real politics terms you want a challenger who can't win and that's bernie sanders. >> bernie sanders got 2% of the vote in vermont, next 1% when he became governor and became the first independent elected in 40 years. he believes what he says. mccarthy was 51 when he ran for president. he has a constituency unrepresented in the american politics and that is the disheveled constituents. i'm with him. his hair is not done and his clothes are not ironed but he's the real deal.
he's going to raise the money issue and hillary clinton, given what's happened in this campaign she may very well be forced to become a true reformer on campaign finance because to have the clinton foundation and bernie. >> i think he will be setious and force her to the left. we've seen even this week her comments on crime used to be when professor was running, democrats were tough on crime, now tough on incarceration, so you see her shifting in these ways. >> woodruff: all right, gentlemen, david brooks, mark shields. thank you both. >> woodruff: finally, the "fight of the century that is much a business deal as it is a brawl, one that's now the richest match in history. one fighter is 38 years old, his opponent is 36.
but age doesn't seem to diminishing any interest in the match tomorrow night in las vegas. jeffrey brown has the story. >> brown: the two are considered the best fighters of their generation. >> pacquiao! >> brown: manny "pacman" pacquiao is already a national hero in his native philippines, even a member of its congress. floyd "money" mayweather is undefeated, the highest-paid athlete in the world. saturday's fight is nearly a decade in the making, with competing camps, lawsuits, rival promoters and warring cable networks all stopping the bout before it started. until now. wednesday afternoon, amid only- in-vegas fanfare, the two fighters came out to meet the press. but this first encounter was down, than bedlam.
>> i am expecting a good fight and victory. >> you guys came out here to see excitement, that's what both competitors bring to the table. >> brown: also on that table: a mountain of cash. mayweather, the favorite, and pacquiao will split about $300 million. you heard that right: $300 million. pay-per-view t.v. will cost $100, and the very few tickets on sale? >> we have tickets that range up to and over $100,000. $2,700 a piece for some high seating. i want to bring some kleenex, get the blood out of my nose, but we're going to be alright. >> brown: but this once-in-a- generation hype and timeframe may speak to a larger problem for the sport of boxing, as it's lost the day-to-day fans it once had. earlier this week, we met up- and-coming fighter dusty harrison-hernandez at "old school boxing gym," just outside washington: >> as much as people want to say boxing is alive, and it is floyd's making the biggest payday out of any other fighter;
the money is there, it's not the same as it was when it comes to the fans. there aren't that many american super-stars left in boxing; i think that's a major problem. >> brown: both fighters saturday rose to stardom from rough beginnings, seeing boxing as a path away from hard lives. that's true for most fighters, says dusty: >> sometimes i see people and they say "awww i'm tired of that sob story in boxing" but that's the story in boxing: people don't box that don't have to. at one point for probably 95% of boxers it was a way out. not too many people choose boxing. >> brown: but the 20 year old undefeated professional has. he is trained by his father, buddy harrison. and even with boxing's problems, he sees growth in his gym >> every time dusty fights, if it's televised, that monday people are showing up here, they wanna sign up. people see a local guy who didn't have a lot maker it, and they wanna do it, too. >> brown: a closer look at the big fight and the sport itself.
jeremy schaap is covering it for espn. he wrote a book about heavyweight champions. first, for the non-boxing fans, why is this such a big deal? >> this is a big deal because it's boxing super bowl. boxing hasn't had a super bowl in a long time. manny pacquiao and floyd mayweather are the two most famous fighters on the planet and for the better part of the last decade the two best fighters on the planet. there has been so much ants paight about this fight so many stalled negotiations over the years that interest in this fight was building up even as most people did not expect to ever see it happen. >> brown: floyd mayweather, considered one of the best fight enrings the world but also shadowed with histories of
domestic violence. >> floyd mayweather has a long history of domestic violence and a long history of abuse towards women. i would say coming into this fight, it is a bigger issue for the public than ever before although this is an issue that goes back the better part of 15 years with floyd mayweather. of course, there was national dialogue last year sparked with the ray rice incidents and other incidents in the n.f.l. so now there is more scrutiny and tension on floyd mayweather's criminal history and the myriad of accusations against him going back, as i said, to the year 2001. >> brown: and manny pacquiao, for his part a national hero in the philippines, a congressman, a lot riding for h him. >> well, there is a lot at stake for manny pacquiao. this is the fight he wanted tore a long time. this is the fight that all the boxing fans on the planet wanted. they could cement his legacy. he hasn't been as invincible as
floyd mayweather. floyd mayweather is 47 and 0. manny pacquiao lost a couple of fights in the last few years, though won his last three. i would say manny pacquiao actually has nothing to lose here. a victory would surprise most people but not shock people. floyd mayweather's entire legacy as an undefeated champion on the line here -- >> woodruff: so in the larger picture one really, really big night with a lot of money, a lot of attention. but in the larger picture, a sport that continues in decline? >> we have to make a distinction between boxers' popularity in the u.s. and globally. outside of the u.s. boxing enjoys arguably as much popularity as ever. but in the u.s. there's know of question the sport is not a mainstream sport the way it was 50 years ago, the way it was 1 hunl years ago. outside of pacquiao and
mayweather, the names of even the top fighters are unknown to most american sports fans. boxing was a sport for a long time that was a sport of the masses in u.s. and american kids were exposed to it from a very young age. that is not the case anymore. it's a tough sport, it's a dangerous sport, and it is a sport that is traditionally drawn from the american underclasses who didn't see other opportunities. there are no scholarships for boxing, there are limited opportunities as i said to make money in this sport. all the money seems to accrue at the very top for the best fighters, the biggest managers, the biggest promoters. so we are not developing boxers the way we once did and this fight is not going to change that. it's a marquee event. people will come one night for saturday night but after that it's a big question really whether we'll have any sustainable impact on the sport. >> brown: jeremy schaap, thanks so much for joining us.
>> my pleasure. >> woodruff: on the newshour >> woodruff: a report on the fallout of the tragedy at mt. everest base camp. we look at the deaf case of the base camp and look at the question of too many climbers in the light of a series oof accidents at pbs.org/newshour. and a reminder about some upcoming programs from our pbs colleagues. gwen ifill is preparing for "washington week," which airs later this evening. here's a preview: >> ifill: the freddie gray case: why it's about more than just baltimore, and how it's resonating from the white house to the justice department to the campaign trail. plus, the supreme court debate on gay marriage and will substance overtake the horserace in 2016? this week: the fight for the populist left all that, tonight on "washington week." judy? on pbs newshour weekend saturday, the roots of despair as seen through the eyes of one
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