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♪ woodruff.vening, i am judy on the "newshour" tonight, the killing in the kingdom. saudi arabia sentences five to death for murder is dubbed journalist jamal khashoggi. an out spirit after deadly crashes and delays in fixing problems with the 737 max passenger jet, the ceo of boein losejob. cutting coverage. moves by the trump h ministration to permit states to reduce healtcoverage for children. >> they said it would take several months, but you do not have several months with this type of child. judy: amy walter and temer keit are here tinvestigate the state of the primary in the last full week of the year as the
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sy arid we will return to judy woodruff and the program after these headlines. president trump and congress left washington for the holidays, but the fight overti impeachment ces. senate majority leader mitch mcconnell led minority leader mitch mcconnell- chuck schumer sparred. rich connell spoke to fox news about the best way ceed. >> to go through the opening question period, and based upon that, deciding what witnesses to call. if we have not ruled out witnesses, let's handle this case just like we did with esident clinton. it is hard to imagine trial not having convincing witnesses. if it does not have docents and witnesses, it will seem to most american people that it is a sham trial, a show, not to get at the facts. stephanie: that disagreement
continues. house speaker nancy pelosi has declined to send impeachment articles to the senate. house democrats said today additional charges could ariseer if f judges order white house counsel don mcgann --mcgahn to testify and get material from the russian investigation. the u.s. special forces soldier was killedn roadside bombing in afghanistan today. the green beret identified as 33-year-old sergeant first class michael j global. happened in a northern province and the taliban claimed responsibility. 20 u.s. soldllrs have been in action in afghanistan this year. in iraq, political leaders missed another deadline for iming a new prime minister the face of new, mass protests.
thousands turne out sunday and ain today. they rejected any candidate belonging to ruling political in baghdad's central square, demonstrats wrote memories. they say no existing party represents them. >> we have entered a constitutional vacuum. consequently, there is no government. they want to appoint a prime minister, pay no heed to the people protesting against them. we do not want any of the political parties ninated. stephanie: at least 400 protesters have been killed since october, many at the hands s. government security for in neighboring iran, word some 1500 people were killed during a crackdown on protests the last month. reuters names the count from three unnamed officials in the interior ministry. the report says supreme leader ayatollah ordered security
officials to do whatevert took to stop the protests. more than 200 wildfires burne across four states today in australia and fed fears that climate change is causing longer, fiercer fire season. that focused criticism on the prime mister. rupert has our report. reporter: blistering heat, a tinder dry landscape and destruction on a huge scale. dozens of homes destroyed as the bushfires raged. searing flames engulfed property and possessions. fighting these fires is a battle against elements. it seems they conjure up images of a war zone. fety of people is paramount. belongings they could grab as the fire closed in. >> i have seen a few bushfires come and go, but nothing like this. rerter: less than 50 miles
west of sydney, the massive charred metal is what remains of one home. >> everything is melted. it just took everything in its path. reporter: the community hit repeatedly on all sides. exhated firefighters relentlely defending the village ran out of the one commodity they needed, water. >> we ran out of water. homewere burning, the bush was burning. that is a horrific feeling. reporter: australian prime ministers sco morrison under fire himself or taking a holiday in hawaii, when 5000 miles away, his country burned. back one, the front lin defending his country's dependence on the coal atdustry and cl change. >> it is not for me to make commentaries on what those outside of australia think we should do.
we willo what we think is right for australia. reporter: a resculy to animals and people. one thirsty koala saved from the blaze. a forecast of more intense heat and wind, christmas for many will be simply about survival. stephanie: that report from rupert evelyn of independent television news. a japanese government ministry proposing to gradually release or evaporate radioactive water at the direcukushima nuclear plant. it cools reactor cores sot does not leak into oceans or waterways. but i is running out of storage space. the fukushima plant was largely displayed by a -- destroyed by a 2011 tsunami. dennis mcgahn fired after the 737 max debacle. planes have been grounded after crashes in malaykia and ethiopia
ed 346 people. still to calm on "newshour," the killing in the kingdom. five sentenced to death r the murderf jamal khashoggi. outs, the ceo o boeing steps down amid turmoil on returning the 737 max to fligh cutting coverage, washington efforts reduce children's health care and much more. >> this is the "pbs newsur " from weta studios in washington and from the west, the walter cronkite school of journalism. judy: a court in saudi arabia sentenced five people t death for their involvement in the killing of journalist jamal khashoggi. the proceedings took nearly a royear, were ed in secrecy, closed to the press and public, and only open to a select group
of diplomats. we have details on the proceedings and a review of khashoggi's murder. reporter: in the case of the rder of citizen jamal khashoggi, may he rest in peace, the attorney general finished its investigation. porter: the announcement came nearly 14 months after the murder of jamal khashoggi the saudi dissident and journalists. aso spokesp for the public prosecutor read out the guilty verdict and punishments on state tv. no names were released. >> the death penalty for five and they were those who directly participated in his killing. reporter: three others received 24 years in prison for covering up the killing, oneobhat sparked outcry. >> chilling newel dments in the disappearance of washington post columnist jamal khashoggi. >>ra saudia admitted missing journalist jamal khashoggi died during his visit to the country's consulate in istanbul this month. reporter: october last year
washington post journalist walked into thsaudi consulate in turkey to pick up documents for his planned marriage, but he never came out. security camera footage leaked by turkey showed the team of saudio agents legedly killed khashoggi and reportedl dismembered his body inside the consulate using a bone saw. bethose team m worked for crown prince mohammed bin salman. the saudi leader denied direct involvement, though in september he signaled f some accountability. >> when a crime is committed by a saudi citizens against people government, as a leader i must take responsibility. this was a mistake. reporter: the kingdom maintains the murder was part of a rogue operation to bring khashoggi back to saudi arabia. the court said his killing was not premeditated, but rather a snap decision. that conclusion contradicts the united nations report released in june, whichound khashoggi
had been a victim of aem deliberate, itated execution. the saudi court also cleared two of the crown prince's senior aides of organizing th murder. cwashington post cled it a sham trial. he criticized theom ki's lack of transparency in its months of s.closed doors court meeti khashoggi's fiance rejected th verdict. but his son, who lives in saudi arabia, said justice had been served. further pbs newshour, william : joining me from fnce, amna nawaz -- joining me from france, the author of a june report which found saudi arabia responsible for the premeditated execution of mr. khashoggi.
dr. call-up mark, welcome back to the "newshour." we saw your reaction after thisn verdict was and. you called at the antithesis of justice, mockery. why? >> the most important effect, only hitmen have been the subject of the trial. the mastermind has not been included in the preceding -- proceeding. therefor level to be sentenced t death m,ile those that ordered t commissioned, turned a blind eye to the crime, none of those people have been concerned. judy: the judge found it was a spur of the moment thing and not premedated. how do you know that is wrong? >> the killing of mr. khashoggir
included disment. that cannot be done in the spur of the momen it requires planning, if only to clean up the crime scene and determine what to do with the body parts. two hours after, the forensic doctor discussed the dismemberment. happened two hours later. it cannot be a accident. the forensic doctor was included in the team, at least 24 before the murder. that i indicative of a high level of planning and organization. weaknesses to the killing, to leave the csulate before the people could be present.
there is absolutely noin cation that when mr. khashoggi was killed that those present attempted to revive him. as you wld expect if indeed it had been an accident. judy: do you hav any ide what happened to that evidence and why it was not considered, not >> i do notnow if it was not presented. i do know the prosecutor argued at least for the first eight hearings that the crimes had been premeditad. there was a team of 18 saudi officials that came after the killing, supposedly to inveigate the killing. we know now that what they did was to clean the crime scene. presumably in the process of cleaning up the crime scene, gathering evidence. none of that was presentede t
ial as far as i am aware. judy: that gets to my question. who should have been held responsible? >> at the minimum, those who were implicated directly, that inudes the deputy director ofll inence, who was present, and was a member of the team. it includes the personal ad to the crown prince, who was known to have spoken to the killing team just before he left for turkey. those two individuals, one was initially charged but found not guilty. the other was not even charged. r the prosecuparent attempted to interview him, but was neveril able orng to proceed with that. judy: do you believe thereas
ever ahance that justice would be done in saudi arabia? >> i am not naive. it is not going to happen overnight, or even a few years. that means we need to look for justice elsewhere. we need to look for justice in the united states, where the fbi has a mandate to undertake an investigation. we look for justice with the u.s. congress that has made a specific request last week for the director of the national intelligence services to issue a report on the killing. that will be a very importa test for the independence of that director, his ability to provide fs with tl truth of who ordered the crime. i think there are other ways for the truth to be delivered and for some form of justice.
judy: thank, u.n. special extrajudicial execution -- executions. thank you. ♪ oudy: boeing is not likely look back fondly on 2019. in october lawmakers grilled now former chief executive dennis muilenburg at a hearing into the company's response to the disastrous 737 max crashes per last week the company took the rare step of shutting down production of that aircraft, which s the company's fastest selling plane ever. on friday a new stash space capsule boeing designed for nasa failed to -- reached the correct orbit. nctoday, anng muilenburg's,
firihey say it was time for a change. john yang examis the turbulent year and what is ahead. john: even though they stripped muilenburg of his title of -- as chairman, as recently as last iday they backed him as ceo. at happened between then and this morning? phil joins us from his base in chicag great to see you. thanks for joining us. muilenburg and boeing have been in the hot seat since the second 73max. was the last straw, w brought this -- what was today about? >> great to be with you. the last stra the last two weeks, when dennis muilenburg was called a washington, d.c. for face-to-face meeting with the head of the faa. make no mistake, this was not a friend discussion.
this was steve dixon laying out in straightforward ways that boeing was no longer calling the shots or should not expect to be calling the shots, in terms of when the 737 max would be recertified. this was a public dressing down. bowing immediately afterward saying we take back any guidance we previously issued that the max might be recertified this year and in commercial service by the end of juary. just four days later boeing made the suspend 737 max production starting in january. th is a monumental decision, something the company has never done. those two events, going to washington, being dressed down by the head of the faa, along with suspending 737 max production, that was the final straw r the board. they realized they needed to >> was his departuree inevita
from march, and that second crash when he defended the 737 max as being a safe aircraft, or could something have been done differently? >> it was a culmination of things. if they had gotten thax back in the air, recertified and regulators around the world to say, we identify the problem and let's get iter back into ion with a few changes, i think avdennis muilenburg might survived this crisis. but as weeks turned into months, constantly pushing back dates we might see the max recertified, his credibility one away. lost his credibility not just with airline ctomers, the key to boeing's cash flow, but with regulators, on capitol hill. there was nobody you could turn to that said dennis muilenburg is the man to see boeing through >> he will be replaced in january by david calhoun, who was currently chrman.
what can he do to repair those relationships? you talked about regulators, airlines and customers and the confidence of the flying public. >> i call ithe three r's. his first day after incoming ceo. he does not take over uil january 13. he is already putting his fingerprints all over reshaping boeing. the 3 r's are this, rebuild the relationship with the faa. completely broken. what does he do this morning? he calls steve dixon, head of the faa. he says during the conrsation, we welcome rigorous oversight and we want to be regulated. people familiar with thefrom conversation. also, reset on the 737 max. i am not talking about stripping away the work that has been done until now to fixhe plane, but
going in and sitting down with engineers, all the people involved in getting this plane back in the air and saying, where are we? what can we expect? what steps need to be completed? under muilenburg, this was a company more focused on increasing production, cash flow, and as much as possible, taking this companyo a new vel of manufacturing. you can only go so far if the basics are n covered and they were not. you will see more of a reset in terms of focus on safety, then we can start rebuilding relationships with our suppliers. that is the last r, rebuilding irthose relationships withne executives, key stakeholders and washington, d.c., members of congress who are furious at boeing. calhoun and his management team
were on the phone to congress, ceo'sf airlines. one executive said,ee h not heard from dennis muilenburg in weeks. that is an indication that at a minimum he realizes the company has to change its public stance in how it deals with people when it comes 737 max 737 max to the. >> pl, thank you very much. ♪ judy: stay with us. coming up on "newshour," amy walter and temer keith analyze the week's political headlines. an investigation into how our mobile phones track our every move. more than one million children have fallen off public health insurae program sce december 2017. for some of those children, their parents may have ne jobs th cth coverage, but
researchers say a troubling rise in uninsured children, and say the trump's administration is a big part of the problem. we have the report from tennessee. families who could qualifyor medicaid or getting knocked off the rolles because of red tape and errors. this story was produced in rtnership. with kaiser reporter: to make sense of his world. -- this morning his world is a mess. heather says her son's struggles intensified when he was cut from idmedican his five months of autism therapy. last summer she changed her mailing addresand found out e state of tennessee had canceled harrison's health insurance.
at first she did not underst why. >> they said it was a renewal packet but we did t receive it reporter: have they tried to come back to you and make amends or say we apologize? >> no. they said it would take several monthsve him reinstated that we do not have several months with this type of child. he was very stressed. g he started cry lot. that is not him. reporter: harrison needs physical, behavioral and speech thapy, care that is hard to come by in rural tennessee. legal advates waded through the paperwork to si back up for medicaid, but he stayed on a waitlist. the disruption caused problems at school. >> we had to bring him to a new school where he could calm down
into general education. reporter: it was not just harris. the state's medicaid agency canceled health coverage for more than 130,000 children, part an effort champions by the safeguard the program.s andsely those are top priorities for seema. a $1 trillion agency that pays for medical care for low income people and seniors. a close ally of mike pence from indiana, verma vowed to tighten eligibility rules. >>e have an obligation to taxpayers to make sure only those who qualify our participating. we also want to make sure the programs are sustainable over the long term. there is a balance between making sure it is or people to apply, but we also have to make sure we do the appropriate work to make sure
they qualifyor the programs. >> this is the 98 page packetey thend to people. reporter: those efforts have led pandemonium in chattanooga, tennessee. they have rushed to help parents fill out forms and send an appeals. aides in the mayor's office s they revoked medicaidne in eight kids. the widespread cancellations acss tennessee's rural outposts in booming citiesfre part o republican efforts to reduce public benefits, baracers put in to disenfranchise the poor. burkefi wrote to top als asking for help. >> the response we got from the governor, the economy has improved and thereforekihere are fewe on the roles -- rolls. that conflicted with our experience. these families still qualify, we know that they do. there is no reason they should
be getting kicked offaid. reporter: questions and risingd frustrations lck to nashville. tennesseeans demanding answers. how was the rollout of the computer system going? >>oing well. reporter: gabe roberts oversees medicaid in tennessee. he says after the act went into effect, tennesseend other states spent time and money building a new medicaid computer system. while that work was underway, the obama administration allowed states to suspend medicaid onverifica and the numbers of covered tennesseeans swelled. but then they cleaned out the backlog, canceling coverage for missing.hen paperwork was >> we are extremely concerned about those allegations and criticisms. reporter: roberts says the volume of cancellations was in line with expectations, not evidence of widespread failuresn or nefarious ions.
in fact, enrollment has once again picked up. our message is consistent. if you are eligible for medicaid in tennessee, we want you in our program. cifld does come off, we can get them back on with no real break in coverage. reporter: front-line workers at hospitals and clinics aarund tennessedissatisfied with those explanations, where the rate ouninsured children has increased 43% since 2016. one of the highest in the nation. vderbilt university's children's hospital tennessee, pediatricians continue to find parents approved job market. >> what surprised us to the end of2008 and this year, the numbers went up to the degree of 15 to patients a day coming to our clinic not knowing they
were on enrolled. repoer: parents have to make agonizing decisions when their children are ill. >> theres a real reluctance to re-enroll children when the parents are noncitizens. reporter: ryan runs a nonprofit group of clinic serving tnashville's poores residents. many are new immigrants. tennessee's effortsec to roncile the backlog came at the same time the trump administrationpu adopted tive immigration policy, holding grade car the public immigrants who use benefits like medicaid. federal judges temporarily blocked the rule from taking effect,an butfamilies working in nashville's booming construction and entertainment industries remaifearful enrolling their kids in public health coverage will endanger their status. >> they are eligible and entitled to the benefit, but there so much anti-immigrant rhetoric from washington they feel insecure.
reporter: whatever the reason, researchers found after years of gains, the number of uninsured kids jumped to 4 million in 2018. states with the highee uninsuraates include texas, arizona, nevada, oklahoma, alaska, georgia and florida. administrar verma said it is not the trump policies, but the outrageous costs of health care. she said more parents are earning too much to qualify for government support, but cannot support private health insurance. >> that is what the president is focused on. his health care agenda is not about more subsidies and having the government creating unaffordable programs. it is about addressing cost drivers. he is focused on prescription drug pricing and price transparency so there is moin competition he market. reporter: while president trump
has put forth health care proposals, few have feken . that seems far away from the world rrisonnhabits. ht east tennessee is finding moments of delig when harrison is vetted for will keep a watchl eye on the state and on her son's future. sarah varney in cleveland, tennessee. judy: we have sarah's full interview with medicaid chief seema verma online. ♪ judy: in the final days of 2019, the democratic presidential candidates hit the campaign
trail hoping to head into the new yearro with new momentum last week's debate before voting begi >> senator bernie sanders. reporter: the crowded field crisscrossing the country. >> this is a campaign of tof working clashis country. judy: vermont senator bernie sanders joined by new york congresswoman alexandri ocasio-cortez. >> the history of change in america. -- america always takes place from the bottom on up. judy: senator warren turn -- returned to oklahoma city where she was raised. rilingp supporters with calls for cleing up government corruption. >> when you see a government that works great for those with money and is not working so well for everyone else, that is ce
-- that is corruption, pure and simple. judy: a late addition to the race, former new yorkoo mayor eo erg in pennsylvania. >> i cannot imagine another foud years ofonald trump. we have to find a way to beat him in november. judy: bloomberg has shot up in recent polls after spending millions of s personal fortune on campaign ads. others in the race spent time in iowa hoping to sway view -- voters who remain undecided, with just x weeks before the first caucus. joe biden traveled across the hawkeye state, knocking on doors and talking to voters in a local christmas tree farm. at a town hall he focused on importance of unity. >> our democracy is in trouble. we are at a breaking point.
i think we need a president whoe can rise above personal and reach out and try to heal. judy: pete buttigieg, leadingls recent pn iowa, picked up the endorsement of more than 200 foreign-policy policy and national security professionals. a policy area biden has long touted as his area of expertise. >> some folks on tv using the aris -- our standing.describe judy: amy klobuchar continues her tour of 99 counties. low polling numbers kept cory booker off the debate states. took his bus tour across iowa, hoping to take advantage of t runner.f a clear front >> we need a [indiscernible] [indiscernible]
revival of we need more empathy judy: president trump was speakings to supportt a conservative conference in florida. pres. trump: generations of patriots before us did not work, fight and sacrifice so we could surrender our country to a raging left wing mob. they do not know if they are down the middle, far-left, they are fighting. judy: 15 mocrats still have a few weeks left to make their case to voters. that brings us to politics monday with amy walter of the cook political rept and public radio's politics with amy walter. and tamra keith of npr. hello to both of you. it is politics monday. we are six weeks away from the iowa caucuses. where does this democratic race
stand? >> it feels like it is volatile and stable at the same time. the spring all the candidates were in the race at we now have. joe biden was ahead, bernie sanders in a close second. inme the s elizabeth warren was on the ascendancy, buttigieg came up and plateaued. we saw harris pop-up. looks like she would get close to taking a front runner mantle. close to christmas, bernie sanders at number two, joe biden although iowa and hampshire, sanders doing better than biden. buttigieg could win in iowa. things are as scrambled as they could be. to the other wilblards, michael mberg and his millions of dollars.
nobody knows whato make of this. hilitical professionals are intrigued by we do not know what to make of it. amy klobuchar, trying to get into a lane somewhere for a ticket out. judy: what does it add up to? mara: there are still a lot of their mind.have not made up iowa college students i text with to take their temperature, every time i check with them, different candidates they feel they might be willing to caucus for. today i said, what are you thinking about? ch one said, if i had to caucus today i might caucus for either buttigiegsanders or warren. it they saiave not decided yet. we are six weeks out.
when you have a race were so many voters are saying electability is so important to them, you get the dynamic amy described. this esc cator to aff. then you start taking incoming. people say, are they as low electable -- as eleable as i thought? judy: how unusual is it the state of the campaign? amy: it does feel like usually we have a sensee of who obvious front runner is. i think joe biden can take the titlef front runner simply because he has been ahead in national polls and has not lost that ld. do you calsomeone the front runner if they lose iowa and new hampshire? what is new is a sense, the
person who wins iowa ande ew hampshght not get enough momentum to go ahead andin nevada and south carolina. they are demographically very different. a go through south carol couple days later into super tuesday, big in terms of delegates and expensive states like texas and california were bloomberg's spendney. tamara: he has money to spend. judy: folks leading in the polls in nevada and south cifolina may berent. mewhile we have this other thing going on. a very d realma of impeachment playing out. new information came o the weekend in terms of the timeline, what the president was doing with withholding aid from ukrainians. democrats may file additional charges against the president?
we do not know what that could mean. democrats are saying i nthe house thcy pelosi is saying, we are not going to turn overhose articles of impeachment just yet. where does this stand? tamara: a little standstill while people are eating cookies, chinking hot chocolate and ending time with the family. ther was a fair amount of noise today with tweets from pelosi, trump. the negotiations between the senateeaders are at a standstill. tey are a an impasse. until that brakes, nancy pelos n says she wil send over those articles. it leads to interesting rhetorical arguments. sabout if democr were in such a hurry, why are they slow walking it now? say, why don' republicans want witnesses? they must be f covering up something. it gives them something to fight about.
reif t is not an agreement on january 6 when they come back, this could get interesting because a senate happen quickly and then you get into the caucuses. >> there is risk for the democratic candates. tt is a process. those are difficor voters to understand and most tune out these process arguments. the challenge in this entire peachment process, i think andrew yang said it, voters feel like they already know what the outcome of the game is even though we are onlyn the fifth inning. we know how this is going to turn out. we have not seen republicans break, enough say publiclyd hey wote to convict the president. this just sounds like a who bunch of noise that we are back
-- in the house republicans were trying to put those vulnerable democratic members of congress, mostly freshmen who sit in tmp districts, in a bind on this issue. meaning it would not be fair, they are railroading the president, rushing this process, it is so partisan. democrats arerying to do that on the senate side. there are aandful of senators in blue or purple states who democrats are hoping will be pur k by either a long, drawnout trial or having to take on things that could come back to hurt them in a campaign. >> a lot of calculations. meantime the president responding by making sure that trade agreement -- >> new nafta. judy: the spending bill was
passed. the white house got a favorable court ruling on health care. the president is pushing back in several ways, gng out to rallies being very angry, but also saying am >> getting work done. all those things you described required bipartisan agreement that led to policy victories trump is able to claim. this message is h takingd in his campaign. you'll see more of this. you may not like me or my style or my tweets, but i get things done. that is essentially president erump's message going into election.>> this healthare issuh did not get a lot oftion is a very, very big deal. hopecially for republicans could have been put on the defensive for much of the election cycle if that health care case made it.
it will not be going on during a campaign. judy: it puts pressure on them. we wishoth of you a wonderf holiday. we will see you in the neyear. amy walter, tamera -- tamara keith. ♪ judy:e as cade draws to a close, humans relationshi with technology is more dependent and more interwoven into our daily lives than ever. our comfort with that technologn private data it collects and shares about our lives may be changing. that is especially true with smartphones, even as their growth has soared. over one third of american adults owned one in 2010. w, more than 80% do. series about how far that data
can be tracked and to what end. errepoyour smart phone is probably sending your precise location to companies right now. thatrs is the sentence in a series of investigative stories by the new york times the reveals just how often our phones track our whereabouts and how many largeie unknown comp capture all of that data. here is just one of the remarkable examples. one data setf 12 million cell phones across major cities was leaked to the new york times. the are all the smartphone hits around central park in new york city. that one dot is just one phone in here are the places that phone went. stitch of those locations together and you reveal a map of a person's daily life. the times series is cled one nation tracked and examines seriousmplications for personal privacy, free speech and national security.
charlie is one of the reporters in the series and he joins me now. this was such a revelatory piece of rorting. all of us know our privacy has been given up,ut to see it in this granular detail was amazing. on some level people assume their pnes when they are using google maps,es that it ollow where they go, but you are repoing there are so many other ways our phones can track us. >> that is exactly right. ther are certain services like location data that you can set every day. you're very aware of what is happening and why. turn by turn directions you need gps data. you are getting a service that is helpful in return. but there are plenty of apps that collect this data for purposes it is not clear you
need them. they have secondary businesses that are not fully disclosed. eyay be buried in service agreements. it is not exactly clear to the user. they had a secondary business selling this location data to other third parties who package and resell it. once that information is gone, you cannot get it back. thoscompanies, these middlemen of location dat they can be big, trusted companies or small know.ups wh security we do not employees, it is not clear if they have the permission structure to view your information. are there rules that govern this monitoring? it is one th sg ife company has this collected, but we would assume there are rules about how ickly they have purge it, do withy can and cannot it.what are ground rules? >> it is the wild st still.
the online advertising industry is still young. it has grown exponentially over the course of this past decade. it isuch a complex system that people who work in a do not understand how the whole thing works. we understand what we do and where itut goes,o idea where the information es after. that is a systemy design. this is a systeos made puully to be difficult to regulate, for consumers to derstand, for participants in the system to understand. this location data, because it is technically not contain a name or address, our investigation shows it is easy for most people. the rules do not quite fit wh the sneaky loopholes this industry has created. >> a devil's advocate question,
what do i really caref it back-and-forth of my monday life? i go to work,ome, school, grocery store, what are they learning that i should be worried about? >> that argument gets put out a lot. first and foremost, we have to thinkf privacy as a collective concern as a society. a public place in yourivacy and broadcasting your location. if you are at a protest, say, you could be broadcasting your location in a way that links you to somebody who has a lot to lose if they are exposed. when you have such a large swath of surveillance, you interact in waysou would not know. bro ging your phoneplace of worship, that is aat point. information like this is being surveilled o if leaks, you were associated with that.
the sense of being a corrosive mentality, we ink we deserve we built this surveillance capitalism system not too long ago. we have a chance to do something about it. we can govern how this works. we do not have to accept what companies tell us. >> you also detail in another story there are real national security implications. you saw from one data set phones pinging all over the white house, the pentagon. can you tell us moregn about the te? >> early in our reporting's we decided to look at mar-a-lago, trump's "winter white house" in palm beach. it became clear when we isolated trump golf course and one of his
other properties. when we compare that to his public schedule we realized these were the exact movements. we zoomed out on the device and were able to see that person was a secret service agent. we were ableo follow that person to their home and understand who their spouse was, see trips to a school, supposedly dropping off their child. things no normal person should be able to see, a especiall journalist 3000 miles away. a secret service agent not securing the device, not thicking about the way in they may be tracked, is giving de the location of the pre of the united states. >> for the people who are troubled by this and alarmed as i am, are there things we can all do collectively to protect our own personal phones? >> yes, there are some things,
but it is important -- we published a list of things you i hope people will go look at it and take some of the steps. t one of the biggings to remember,ve until we eal regulations and enforcement, enforced transparency, enforced disclosure where this information is going, we are not going to be rid of this. you cannot fully opt out of this without oning out of mod society, without throwing your phone out the window into the ocean. we are hoping people understand what is on the other cited this trade-off. you get directions, that coupon, the news alert, but you are giving up a piece of yourself when you do this.
if people understand that, it is a huge step in having this conversation and figuring out the norms. >> the series is called one nation tracked. thank you. judy: fascinating. that is the newshour tonight.am udy woodruff. join us online in here tomorrow evening. for all of us, thank you. see you soon. >> major funding for the pbs newshour funded by bnsf railway. consumer cellular. and, by the alfd p. sloane foundation supporting science, technology and financial literacy. ♪ >>th supported b john d. and catherine t. macarthur foundation.
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