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the events of today took place in the fortified capitol, and there are currently more troops deployed in washington dc than iraq and afghanistan combined. welcome to "world news america." on pbs and around the globe. donald j. trump has been impeached for the second time. congressional democrats and a handful of republicans both today to hold the president accountable to his actions in the lead up to last week's riots. this is after the capitol was stormed and one week before joe biden is set to take office. here is our correspondent barbara on capitol hill.
barbara, very different impeachment compared to the first time that president trump was impeached. correspondent: very different indeed, katty. the democratic majority in the house is less then it was one year ago, but the vote is higher than it was one year ago because of the republicans who joined, at 10 of them. that is not a huge number, but it is significant. the third ranking republican member of the republican leadership in the house joined in the boats. this is -- joined in the votes. it was entirely partisan last time. not one republican joined in st time. the atmosphere in the senate is different. at the time, mitch mcconnell had said that he was completely behind donald trump rate now he is saying that he does not know how he will vote. he will listen to the legal arguments. it has been reported that he
favors impeachment if it is a way to purge the party of donald trump. the climate is quite different. i do not know the attack on the capitol, the mob. the lawmakers themselves having been a target. he only has one more week in office. he has also lost his platform on twitter, which perhaps makes a difference. as well this had been something that he had not followed through on his oath of office to protect the country and to protect democracy. they felt compelled to vote for impeachment for that reason. katty: you have covered elections of political processes around the world. as someone who has been a foreign correspondent for the bbc, what was it like free you to go to the u.s. capitol and see the level of security and people and military uniforms in the seat of american democracy?
correspondent: very surreal, actually, katty, because the entire area is surrounded by a fence, and as you walk upcoming you are passing national guard troops, and as you enter the building. they are inside as well. the ea that you are safeguarding an election with troops is one that i would not have thought i would experience in america. off the top of my head, and cannot think whether i have seen it to this degree and other places where i have worked, either. that is also something, of course, which has energized the debate about impeaching mr. trump. him as a threat to democracy, but also his supporters, and the fact that he has been encouraging them. i guess the question is will this vote now take away the danger, and security forces have
said that there still threats out there. mitch mcconnell -- mitch mcconnell has said that this child will not start until after the and not gratian because he thinks it is important to focus on a peaceful and smooth transition of power before the inauguration. it is not just the vision or the image of the troops, it is the fact that it was contested, the obvious vote was contested in the way that was. what people here are the democrats are calling it, " the big lie." katty: thank you for joining us, barbara. it is highly unlikely that president trump be forced out of office before his scheduled departure wednesday. we are hearing the senate majority leader mitch mcconnell that he will not bring this and it's back early to begin the impeachment trial. the issue will be taken up again at the beginning of joe biden's administration.
it is said -- joining us live now from washington, he has said that he does not want trump to have the ability to run again. mr. clyburn, this happened extremely fast. what was the urgency in today's vote? >> thank you very much, for having me again. the democracy that we all hold dear. what happened last wednesday was only two weeks left in this administration demonstrad to the world that donald trump has no regard for what has kept this country together all of these years. he only thinks of itself and the preservation of whatever is on his agenda. he incited people to come and disrupt the transfer of power,
the peaceful transfer of power. we are talking about votes that have been taken two months ago, november 3, certified in each state, and as well -- those 51 tallies committed, and we were doing what the constitution requires of us. we were meeting in congress. we were adding those 51 states into one big total. the votes have already been certified state-by-state. to disrupt the counting, he had to try to overthrow what was done. that is a cute -- that is a coup. this country has never even been close to anything like that. katty: part of the argument that
the democrats made ishat it was too dangerous not to impeach donald trump because they were concerned what he might do in his final week in office. i want to put to you the counter argument we heard from some of our republican colleagues, that it might be dangerous to have impeached him because his supporters could become angry and therefore tried to take some kind of revenge against this vote. are you concerned about that? >> i'm not. everybody is entitled to their own anger. if he has millions of supporters who are going to be angry, 81 million supporters who are pleased. that is 7 million more. that is a suspicious argument. because supporters may get angry. how do you think people felt last wednesday when this place was descended upon by people
that he urged to come here? not just anger but downright fear. you have 2, 3 people in a room wi trump supporters who refused to put on masks. and with covid-19, they are angry. what about their anger? katty: i can hear the anger in your voice, congressmen, even after this vote. you still sou furious about what happened and about your republican colleagues. >> yes i am. i think it is very selfish. this is a very selfish resident, and there are a lot of people in this house of representatives that have demonstrated their selfishness. why not do what is necessary to protect your colleagues? this is just silly stuff. this is childish stuff. it is something you would expect from a five-year-old or 60. if a mask is required, as
experts tell us, to protect you and for you to protect others, what is wrong with that? katty: congressman, you know that the world was watching last wednesday. the world was watching again today. what is your message to america's allies as they have watch this country over the last week? >> i hope that they were not watching. they saw -- i hope they were watching, it this democracy respond in a bipartisan way. we've always held out when it comes to democracy. i think that we were challenged last week for five hours. we went back to the process and cut the democracy going great we finished our work. today, we said to the world, this is the way that the country reacts. we have a leader of our country will arriv -- a leader of our
country go awry. we do not want to take up arms. we want to do it in a peaceful way. we did that. there will be a peaceful transfer of power, next wednesday. i suspect when it is all said and done, this president will never want to see another wednesday. katty: it has been a bad year of -- for wednesdays, that we are aware. congressman clyburn, thank you for joining us. today's impeachment vote caps off a week unlike any other. we have more from this reporter. >> on this vote, the eyes -- >> donald trump became the first president to be impeached twice. >> the motion to reconsider is laid upon the table. reporter: the place was somehow
unrecognizable. the landscape had changed. it now feels like the front line at garrison town with the elegant marble floors and barracks. civil war president abraham lincoln looking down on servicemen. impeachment 2.0 is very different. the u.s. congress is the crime scene, where the child supporting mob descended last week. >> almighty god, wheeled your sword. reporter: this is not about a call to a ukrainian politician, this is about the assault on the sacred house of democracy that donald trump is charged with inciting. >> i believe that the president must be convicted by the senate, a constitutional remedy to ensure that the republic will be saved from this man who is so resolute determined to tear
down the things that we hold here and hold us together. >> this was not a protest, this was an insurrection. this was a well organized attack on our country that was incited donald trump root reporter: last time around, every republican voted to back the president, now they are splitting three ways. there are those who are backing his impeachment. >> today we make history forever. choose well. a vote to impeach donald trump means that you can look your grandchild in the air and said -- look your cantos in the eye and say that you did the right thing. reporter: there are those who are not backing donald trump rate -- >> we need to recognize that while the house may be done with this matter after today's vote, it will not be done for the country. reporter: and a few for the support of the out of is undimmed. >> this impeachment is not words
spoken at a rally. this is all about the unbridled hatred at this president. reporter: the president made his first foray out of the white house yesterda warning that his supporters would be very angry if impeachment went ahead. today, a new statement is issued. in light of support of new demonstrations, i urge that there must be no violence, no lawbreaking, no vandalism. that is not what i stand for, and it is not what america stands for. i call upon all americans to help ease tensions and, tempers. today, airbnb announced it would cancel all bookings in washington for next week. some hotels are doing the same to stop potential writers from coming in. the capital is becoming a citadel. katty: i did live through
america through 9/11, and i have never seen such high security even then as there is in this city. the final days are being watched by political folks and here is kim joining us now. we heard jim clyburn say that this vote of impeachment was important because it showed to the rest of the world and americans that theemocratic process was working and being restored after the events of last week. what practical impact does it have apart from the fact that he goes down in history the first american president to be impeached twice? what legal impact does it have on donald trump itself? >> without a convictn by the senate, which require a two thirds majority, unlike impeachment, without an actual conviction, there will not be any practical consequences.
if there is a convictn post- trial, the senate could sentence donald trump to not being able to run for office again, including in 2024. katty: the chances that he would unlikely to run again given the events at the capitol and being the on the president to be impeached two times. does it have any legal impacts on any other legal problems that the president might face when he leaves office? >> impeachment, probably not. i think we still have a few days before the next big constitutional chute to drop, a self parted -- a self pardon. the president has reportedly considered it because he has a
history of potential criminal wrongdoing. all you do is look at the muller report and the various institutions of obstruction of justice. that would be a crime under federal law if prosecuted and taken to trial. a self pardon would arguably immunize him from critical liability at the criminal level, both from actions taken prior to january 6 and four inciting a riot. we would have a show down under the constitution as to whether that would be held up in court. it would not go to the supreme court unless the biden administration decided to actually prosecute the president. these constitutional issues are still up in the air. never thought this would come to actual fruition. katty: because it has never happened before.
even if democratso not get a two thirds majority to vote in the trial of donald trump that he is goes you to remove him from office. -- that he is guilty to rove from office. is the senate trial important? >> i think there needs to be a widespread, investigation of what happened last week. not just with respect to the present. in this moment, i think this is why we are seeing this force on the capitol, we do not know what led to the complete law enforcement and intelligence meltdown they gave rise to people breaching the capitol. that needs to be deeply investigated. as a matter of remedy, it is conceivable that they could remove him retroactively. maybe scholars would disagree on
the constitution elegy of that --but to remove the prizes, so to speak, of being a former president. a yearly stipend out of over $200,000, support staff, a travel budget. some might say that the perks should not be on the federal pay -- federal taxpayers tap. katty: thank you very much. this is unprecedented, and we'll be watching this as it goes to trial in the senate. as we have been reporting, 10 republicans cross their party lines to vote for the impeachment of donald trump. it is not a huge number, but it is a sign of dissent among the ranks. we have a chief strategist who told us that recent development could tighten donald trump's hold on the republican party over the next four years. >> i think it strengthens it in
certain districts when you're looking at polling and district. they are thinking that this was a false lag in operation, another conspiracy theory place. this was pushed by people around the president and congressional representatives. starting to shape in a different direction. we are seeing it become more messianic that there is a biblical prophecy that president trump will stay present. i was looking at a facebook video where it said that the president was in a bunker and was about to take over, and it was time to rebel. this was a pastor. this is happening right now. you are seeing an increase in violence rhetoric in certain circles. a lot of people are migrating quickly away from other platforms where they have been banned, facing mass migration to
other platforms. encrypted channels to spread nonsense. this is a scary time. social media allows the growth of "crazy" faster than any other form. katty: he has a background himself in security issues. in the wake of this historic second impeachment, it is worth asking where the republican party was from here. joining me now is former advisor to george w. bush. i guess in some ways, it given the tumult of the last four years, it is not surprising that the end of the trump presidency would also be chaotic. but to be honest, i never expected it to be like this. is this what you force all? -- is this what you foresaw?
>> i never thought that we would see washington, d.c. turn into an armed camp. we don't have more soldiers in the capitol, more than we have had since the civil war. there are those who will support this president, even once he leaves office, versus the remainder of the party who is trying to take stock and regroup as a party. this is going to be a conversation months and years in the coming. katty: it seems that those who believe the president are still be in the republican party. i was speaking to a republican pollster who says that his polling over the weekend shows that two thirdof the republicans still believe that the election was stolen. is it possible for the country to move forward when so many people still believe something that is not true?
>> i think that there are certain legitimate questions that need to be asked about how the mail-in ballots were cap secure, whether or not this is a mentor and which we can conduct federal elections. the notion that two thirds of thmembers of a political party believe it was stolen with no concrete evidence is undermining our democracy. we might say, you know, barack obama may not have been our choice, but he won legitimately. whether or not you like it, joe biden was legitimately elected with vice president kamala harris, and they deserve the deference for their positions and the awesome amount of responsibility they are about to take in just seven days. katty: i know that you have friends in the white house, and you have been speaking to members of the civil service and those are the president, what you think happens to donald trump now? >> i think that he will continue
to have a microphone great the question that i have, is who will be listening? i think the number of people who support the president, are dwindling by the day. i think a lot of republicans are saying that we are close to regaining the house of representatives. if i am a trump supporter, will they get us to the promised land of taking the senate and regaining the cement? -- regaining the house? they do not believe that president trump did anything wrong, and they do not believe that this impeachment was warranted. katty: do think that president trump without twitter is a diminished force? >> 100%. he had tens of millions of people on twitter who are now in silence. where will he find another megaphon to get that many people? katty: imagine the last four years if donald trump had not had twitter.
it might have been a lot quieter. i'm sure that trump will find a way to continue communicating with millions of americans who still support him. and do still believe erroneously without basis that the election was stolen. much more of the days news is on our website. thank you for narrator: funding for this presentation of this program is provided by... narrator: babbel, an online program developed by language specialists teaching spanish, french and more. narrator: financial services firm, raymond james. narrator: funding was also provided by, the freeman foundation. by judy and peter blum kovler foundation; pursuing solutions for america's neglected needs. and by contributions to this pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. ♪ ♪ narrator: you're watching pbs.
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♪ judy: good evening, i'm judy woodruff. on the newshour tonight. incitement to insurrection. the u.s. house of representatives votes to impeach president trump for fomenting the violent mob that attacked congress. questions remain. the delayed response by the pentagon and national guard to the riot at the capital --capitol raises questions about security ahead of the inauguration. covid's long shadow. dr. scramble to discover why many survivors experience severe symptoms far beyond their initial sickness. >> my experience has been intense, acute illness, followed by continued acute illness for months on end.