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announcer: and now, "bbc world news". ♪ lewis: hello, i'm lewis vaughan jones. this is "outside source." russia continues its bombardment of the eastern donbas region. we report from a frontline town and hear from people caught in the fighting. >> we want to stay here. we want peace. we want our child to go to school here normally. we will rebuild. lewis: hungary opposes the move. we will get the latest from our correspondent. ter thousands of liverpool fans were teargas to the champions league final, the french government blames what they call industrial scale ticket fraud. people daresay that was not the problem. >> people being attacked by the
police with pepper spray and after the match is not a ticketing problem. that is a police issue. ♪ wis: welcome to the program. we start with the war in ukraine and the fighting in the eastern donbas region. russia's foreign minister sergei lavrov says control of the donbas is now an unconditional priority for russia. part of it has been under russian control since 2014. since the invasion of ukraine, russian has taken more territory there, you can see that marked in red. luhansk is nearly under russian control. two cities stand in the way. they are almost surrounded and are being shelled constantly. another town is where our
correspondent sent this report. >> life was never easy in donbas , but at least it was familiar. now, the more is getting closer to their camp, and it is time to go. these women have no families to support. one of the ukrainian volunteers said the russian soldiers are worse than animals. we cannot leave these women behind. they are taking them west out of donbas, away from the russian advance. a russian strike did this close by. most of the residents had evacuated by the time it was hit last week. a man who lived in this flat left the day before. civilians fear russia will take all of donbas including their
town. roman and marino want to stay, but it is getting lonely. with the destructive power of the russian army on their doorstep. >>far, we made theit gs too ba't know. we want to stay here. we want peace. want our child to go to school here normally. we will rebuild the city. >> sonya, their daughter, turned eight this month. the school closed when the russians invaded. online lessons are part of a wall of normality that her parents are trying to build around her. it is looking very fragile. just down the road is a glimpse of the future they dread. the russians are around five miles away. they are hitting the town regularly but not constantly
yet. doggedly, civilians clutch at routine, as their old lives disappear. the town waits on big decisions. for the few civilians left, about leaving or staying, how to survive, but also for the ukrainian army. some powerful american-made howitzers have just arrived, but not enough to stop the russian advance. ukraine's generals must decide how many more troops to sacrifice and what could be a losing battle for this part of donbas. a fighting retreat to more defensible positions looks likely, if the russian offensive does not stall. new transient networks well back
from the existing frontline are ready. one of the towns that must be on the russian target list is about 15 minutes drive that way. the rest of ukraine is there. this might all simply be just in case, a contingency plan, but if the russians do blast their way through, they will need it. maxim ordered the retreat after weeks of heavy fighting. he is one of thousands of ukrainian volunteers. back in kyiv, just after the invasion, he signed up wi his friend demetri. >> was studying economy. >> biology. >> ukrainians have to put aside
the deliverance they felt then. in donbas, maxim, 19 years old, is in an attritional struggle. >> we have to be careful because there are chemical factories. there is no way to make a deal with putin. putin understands only the language of bullets, blood, war crimes. >> air raid sirens were blaring as they prepared to bury a 21-year-old ukrainian soldier. since the invasion, the more has had terrible consequences, and not just in ukraine. sergei and thousands more ukrainians and russians are dead.
the killing here has brought the big nuclear armed powers closer to confrontation than since the height of the cold war. millions are refugees. a wider war is a clear risk. more destruction, hunger, poverty, and more funerals are a certainty. war is the bringer of grief and change. lewis: one thing ukraine has been asking for in terms of military aid are long-range multiple rocket systems. earlier, president biden was asked about this. >> are you going to send long-range rocket systems to ukraine? president biden: we are not going to send to you ukraine rockets that can go into russia. >> it is a big deal because to this point, over the past month or so, the russians have used
long-range missiles to great effect really. they have targeted cities across ukraine, such as lviv in the west, the capital, kyiv, as well as kharkiv. it is russia's way to flex over ukraine despite boots on the ground becoming much more contents in the eastegions. the other thing is that ukrainian forces in the east are finding themselves outgunned in terms of artillery, air superiority. it is becoming increasingly difficult as the russians try to lay and more towns and citieso see each -- seige, by surrounding towns, bombarding them, using their familiar tactics. president zelenskyy is not happy, nor is his government. they have asked for weapons to push back the russians, and this
will be seen as a real disappointment. it's also interesting that clearly the u.s. is worried -- there is a line in terms of western help. it could be a concern from the west that, if they cross that lineith longer-range missiles, russia can see that as a real escalation. lewis: let's turn to another element central to this conflict, oil. eu leaders are in brussels talking about more sanctions as they try to work out a way to ban russian imports. the eu is russia's top importing client. the energy sector, oil and gas, brings in over 40% of russia's federal budget. this is the president of the european commission. >> my expectations are low that it will be solved in the next 48
hours, but i'm confident that after there will be a possibility. overall, my call is clearly to all member states, we have one key to success, and this is solidarity with ukraine and unity of the european union. lewis: one country that's been standing in the way of an oil band, hungary. it has also been one of russia's closest allies. it gets more than 60% of its oil from russia. hungary is landlocked, so it doesn't have a port to receive oil shipments. it relies on pipelines. the hungarian prime minister viktor orban has said that the oil and gas embargo would ruin us. he also spoke to reporters ahe of today's meet >> now we have the embargo on oil without answering the questions related to the hungarian energy security.
the whole situation we are in is a difficult one created by the commission and the responsibility of not having an agreement today will be on the shoulder of the commission. lewis: poland remains one of those countries calling for europe to cut off russia completely. the foreign responded to mr. orban's position. >> hungary has a pipeline to the adriatic sea from which it can import oil from other sources other than russia. poland is acally more dependent on russian oil and gas than hungary, but poland sees the issue through the security lens. we tend to thinkoth the government and the opposition, that ifutin conquers ukraine, we will be next. whereas victor orban is in some kind of league with vladimir putin, which i'm not sure makes
his membership in either nato or the eu compatible. lewis: i got the latest on the talks from bethany in brussels. >> we are trying to work out this very naughty problem. the suggestion of an oil embargo was made aost a month ago, it was announced by the president the european commission, ursula von der leyen, in the european parliament. she has come under some criticism. there is some feeling that she may have mishandled this by announcing the details of this proposed oil embargo before the groundwork had been properly laid among member states. as we heard there, she said she -- her expectations were low that there would be an agreement in the next day or two. other voices are more optimistic, hopeful that before too long, these oil sanctions,
and the package of sanctions on russia can be agreed. lewis: that is oil. what else will they be talking about and hoping to do? >> in this package of sanctions, there are also measures against russia's biggest bank, a number ofther individuals, rsian individuals being targeted. i think there is impatience certainly on the side of the commission to see this package of sanctions come through, in order to get those measures underway, as well. in terms of the oil embargo, what is on the table at the moment is a propal to ban sea-borne oil and then have a longer lead in period f oil being brought in by pipeline. that would help hungary. it was interesting that mr.
orban, when he arrived today, said that proposal was not bad, although he didn't want energy security guarantees for his country. lewis: so there could be some form of compromise, some wiggle room. could you tell us when we are expecting to hear again from any of the leaders? >> talks go on until tomorrow. we will wait and see. lewis: thanks to bethany for that. stay with us on "outside source ." the jury is out in the depp vs. heard trial but social media has its own opinion. we will take a look at the case. ♪ lewis: the k of jordan has described queen elizabeth as a beacon of light and hope of ahead of her platinum jubilee. our correspondent reports. >> as king, you are in a unique
position to observe the reign of another monarch. ionder how you view the queen's 70 years on the throne. >> i think with a lot humility. my late father, his majesty king hussein, became a monarch in the same year. the special relationship they had was something that we inherited. to think of what she has seen in her life, the standard that she has held as a monarch is an example. for me, i am honored to be a part of that story, to have seen that special relationship between my father and her, between myself and her majesty, his royal highness prince charles, and now a wonderful young man, prince william. this is a strong historical partnership that we are very proud of. ♪ lewis: this is "outside source"
live from the bbc news room. i'm lewis vaughan jones. ukrainian soldiers are facing a fierce battle in the east of the country. officials say russian troops have entered the city, but ukraine's military is still repelling attacks. th deadlock in brussels continues as eu leaders try to reach an agreement on banning oil imports from russia. next, football's governing body in europe, uefa, has commissioned an independent report into the events rounding the champions league final. here are madrid fans welcoming their winning team home. thousands turned out in liverpool to celebrate the success of the season, despite the loss. but it has all been overshadowed by what happened on match day outside the stadium. liverpool supporters describe being stuck outside for hours in huge queues and say police were
heavy-handed with the crowds using tear gas and pepper spray. >> it is the worst situation i have seen outside a football grounds in 27 years of going to football, home and abroad. i have been to a champion would leak final before, europa league final before, never seen anything like that. lewis: two different narratives have emerged. french officials and uefa blamed the chaos on thousands of fans trying to enter with thick tickets. >> we have seen industrial scale in organized fraud concerning fake tickets. the stade de france and french football federation estimates newly 70% of tickets were fake. lewis: but fake tkets may just be one part of why things went so wrong. >> many are saying show us the proof that this figure of 40,000 fake tickets is thee. we have not seen that yet.
they said we looked at the video cameras of people arriving, underground, the local train system, and we saw there were more than the 80,000. therefore we know there is a problem. at the gate, there were a large number of fake tickets. >> while counterfeit tickets may have caused an issue getting in, fans say there were also problems getting out. >> it was horrdous coming out of the grounds. there was another incident of bottlenecking at the exits. people being attacked by the police with pepper spray and tear gas, after the match. that is not a ticketing issue. that is a police issue. lewis: people at the match say that was not the only danger. a commentator posted, post match last night was the scariest i experienced. organized gangs set out mugging fans.
another officer inside witnessed soany ambush attacks on unsuspecting attendees. reprehensible. then he tags uefa. accounts from real madrid fans who went were similar. >> i have been two games in liverpool, munich, milan, russia, but i've never seen anything like this. there were not enough police, not enough resources, not enough respect for the fans. we were left high and dry, spanish fans and the english ones. >> it was badly organized by the french. it was a problem of organization. it was too much for them to organize. lewis: the french government has requested an investigation by uefa into what happened. >> the root cause of all that was the volume of false tickets or persons without any tickets.
this is clearly something that we need to understand. this is why we have asked the uefa to really dig into that. lewis: british ministers in liverpool football club also want the investigation, not just into thick tickets. there are questions about how crowds are handled. >> this is where stewart's carried out the first set of security checks, but there is onlypace a handful of checkpoints. and the crowd quickly built up to dangerous levels, meaning the checks here were abandoned. a key question for organizers is why people were not sent to the main access points to the stadium, 200 meters away. fan groups here told us it was virtually empty. lewis: we are going to talk now about the defamation trial between the actor hnny depp and his ex-wife amber heard. we are waiting for the jury to decide. the defamation case was brought byohnny depp, after this
article by amber heard in "the washington post," where she said she was a victim of domestic abuse. jony depp denies any abuse. he claims the article damaged his reputation and is suing amber heard for $50 million. she is counter suing for $100 million. it is something that we've seen a lot of dirt the trial, anti-amber heard campaigns on social media. amber spoke about that in her final appearance in court. >> i receive hundreds of death threats regularly, if not daily. thousands. it has been agonizing. agonizing, painful, the most humiliating thing i have ever had to go through. i am harassed, humiliated,
threatened every single day. lewis: catherine is a freelance journalist investigating social media campaigns surrounding the case for "the independent." >> you have got this horrendous combination of the johnny depp super fans who will refuse that out right he can be capable of wrong, be guilty of anything, and want to promote the justice for johnny depp. on the opposing side of that you have the antifeminist factions who are seeing this as a perfect opportunity to try to dismantle the #metoo movement, attack feminists, the left, and where they meet in the middle is by sharing hashtags. that is why it has spread so fa lewis: peo these ple ngeatihashtags, this is an d group? other people then share them knowingly or unknowingly? >> it is an amorphous group, i
wouldn't say it is organized, just organized on the internet. the altar right were involved in gamegate, similar aims. dismantling feminism. they are using similar theories and putting them out there. you are seeing se sharing them knowing what they are about, some are sharing them who are thinking they are just supporting johnny depp, not realizing the implications. lewis: you are talking about me too, a huge global movement. a shift in opinion for so ny people. are you saying that this is a reaction against that? >> it is, yes. there are a huge fraction of people who are saying me too, except amber heard.
because amber is not the perfect victim, if you like, because she stands accused of abuses of her own, of hitting johnny depp and so forth, because she was violent, too, we should question everyone who has ever used me too. lewis: moving now to russia, you may have heard of speculated rumors about preside putin's help. in an interview with a french broadcaster, he said i don't think the same people can see in this person signs of illness or ailmen >> over the weekend, at least four newspapers came mostly with the same headline, that mr. pruden was having troubles with his health. but none of them provided any details. it is almost impossible to verify. what it shows is this flow of
information out of russia's presidential office. it has now become so clear, there is so much roofor rumors and speculations. it is true that it is getting harder and harder to get access to mr. pruden, to get any information. this is one of the reasons why such incidents are happening. we have seen those be interesting and strange. pictures of mr. putin meeting with mr. macron, schultz, and this raises more concern. but at the moment we have not seen any grounds for that, nothing factual. but the more isolated you are, the more rumors appear. lewis: i'm lewis vaughan jones. this is "outside source" on bbc
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