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♪ judy: good evening. i'm judy woodruff. on the newshour tonight... a precipitous plunge -- stock markets take a deep dive as inflation hits ordinary americans and eyes are on the federal reserve for its next steps. then... the hearings, day 2 -- a congressional committee makes the case that president trump spread lies about vote-count fraud in the weeks before the attack on the capitol, despite his own advisors repeatedly telling him he lost the election. and... guns in america -- congress moves forward on a firearm safety deal, with a focus on mental and emotional health. what the research says about identifying people who might commit mass shootings. >> about half of the individuals that went on to perpetrate a
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judy: wall street has gone into meltdown mode tonight over fears of inflation and the possibility that higher interest rates are imminent. the dow jones industrial average lost 876 points today to close at 30,516, nearly 3%. the nasdaq fell 4.7%. and the s&p 500 dropped nearly 4%. it is now officially in a bear market, down more than 20% from its high in january. the selloff has been broad. all three major indexes have finished lower nearly every week since mid-march. and cryptocurrencies have lost nearly $2 trillion of their value since november. some insights and perspective on all of this now from economist julia coronado. she's the founder of her own firm for economic analysis and a former economist for the fed. welcome back to "the newshour."s
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driving this plunge? julia: the catalyst really came on friday. we got higher than expected inflation readings, again. one of the major gaus the fed watches of consumers inflation expectations rose to the highest level since 2008. the combination of those two things really lead the markets to start speculating the fed would raise rates much faster than it has already signaled. and that has in turn hurt risky assets like stocks. judy: i think some people look at this and they know, ok, the fed will have to raise rates, to an extent, to put the brakes on this inflation. people know that is going to happen. how are they watching this and then worrying about it at the same time? julia: we are really in uncharted territory in terms of what are the drivers of inflation, how high will it go, how long will it last? that translates into uncerinty
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about how high the fed will ve to raise interest rates. how much they will need to take the punch bowl away. this was an incremental data point that told us, they will have to go further, faster. and that is going to hurt all kinds of sectors. it is already hurting housing. mortgage rates are poised to go above 6%, the highest in a very long time. that is already starting to dampen enthusiasm in home sales and probably will eventually hurt valuations to some extent. that is the leading edge. obviously, stocks are feeling the pinch too. judy: if the fed were to raise rates in the next few days, say three quarters of a point, rather than half a point, which had been expected, how much of a difference could that make in these markets? julia: it is a great question because it is not just about -- as you say, we all know the fed is raising rates. we know the direction of travel here. it is not even really about whether they go 50 basis points
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or 75 basis points on wednesday. it is really, what does that signal for the whole path? does that tell us that we might see them raise rates much higher than we previously thought? i think that is the line of thinking here. not only are they going raise rates 75 basis points on wednesday after signaling they were going to go 50, that might be followed by another 75 basis point hike in july and maybe even in september. we are going to end up with rates higher than we saw during the last expansion. and we really don't know where that stopping point is yet. judy: julia coronado, i have to ask you, how much of this is counterintuitive? we look at other economic indicators, the economy is still growing, unemployment is at a very low level, consumers are still spending. square the circle, or however you want to describe what you
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are doing to explain it for us. julia: you are highlighting the tensions we see in the data. in some ways, this economy is extremely strong. we have a very strong labor market. low unemployment. workers have been coming back to the labor market. we have been generating an unprecedented number of jobs every month consistently for more than a year now. in some ways, it is very strong, in some senses, that leads the fed to have greater confidence that they can and should raise interest rates higher, to cool off the economy, and bring it into better balance. the strength and the resilience of the job market and the consumers has kept inflation higher than it would otherwise be. we do need to bring that -- cool that dynamic down a little bit in order to bring inflation down. judy: finally, the dreaded r-word. who and what determines whether or not we end up in a recession?
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julia: every recession is different. one thing that is the same with every recession is that it comes usually with job losses and rising unemployment. we are a long way from that. we are still starting from a low point on interest rates, and a strong job market. we have a long distance to travel before we really are looking at an imminent recession. can the fed get this balance right? can they nail what we call the soft landing, where inflation comes down without unemployment rising significantly? there is still some hope for that. it is just that landing strip for the fed has gotten narrower and narrower with each of these inflation prints. judy: that helps us think about what they are facing, even if we are still full of questions. julia coronado, thank you so much. julia: my pleasure. ♪
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judy: for nearly a year, the house committee investigating the january 6 attack on the u.s. capitol has worked mostly behind closed doors. gathering more than 140,000 documents and talking to more than 1000 witnesses. today, the committee continued the public phase of its investigation, sring new details from some of former president trump's inner circle about the spread of the false narrative that the 2020 election was stolen. amna nawaz begins our coverage. amna: day two of the january 6th committee's public hearings zeroed in on what president trump knew and when he kneit. >> the 2020 election was not close. amna: featuring a slate of republican voices who said they told him, repeatedly, for months, his claims of voter fraud in the 2020 election were baseless. >> he's become detached from reality, if he really believes this stuff. amna: among those voices, bill
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stepian, former trump campaign manager. he bowed out of testifying in person just this morning after his wife went into labor. he told the committee in previous interviews that he warned trump multiple times, including on election night, results could take a while. >> my recommendation was to say that the votes are still being counted. it's too early to tell, too early to call the race. amna: the committee says trump ignored stepian and instead listened to rudy giuliani. >> you will also hear testimony that president trump rejected the advice of his campaign experts on election night and instead followed the course recommended by an apparently amna: here is trump attorney jason miller, describing giuliani that night. >> the mayor was definitely toxicated, but i did not know the level of intoxication when he spoke with the president, for example.
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amna: adding to the committee's elecon night narrative, former fox political editor, chris stirewalt. he was overseeing the conservative network's election night coverage, including when they accurately break the news that joe biden would win arizona. >> ok, time out, this is a big development. fox news decision desk is calling arizona for joe biden. that is a big get for the biden campaign. >> after the election as of november 7th, in your judgment, what were the chances of president trump winning the election? >> after that point? >> yes. >> none. warnings, and the electoral math not in his favor, trump took the stage in the early morning hours of november the 4th and said this. mr. trump: frankly, we did win this election. [applause] so our goal now is to ensure the integrity for the good of this nation.
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this is a very big moment. this is a major fraud in our nation. amna: that night, according to witness testimony, launched a split within team trump. those who continued to push the big lie he had won the 2020 election and those who didn't. here is former attory general bill barr. >> i felt that before the election, it was possible to talk sense to the president. and while you sometimes had to engage in a big wrestling match with him, there was a possibility to keep things on track. but i felt that after the election, he didn't seem to be listening. >> we called them kind of my team and rudy's team. i did not mind being characterized as being part of team normal. amna: the committee's second fatrump ntthe ek upstthjuel otoon tf owdig vo ter fraud where there was none. even as allegation after allegation, more than 60 cases in all, were dismissed or found to be without merit by judges.
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former u.s. attorney for the northern district of georgia, bjay pak, appointeby trump, said he was asked to look into an allegation about a suspicious suitcase filled with fake ballots. >> we found that the suitcase ll of ballots, the alleged black suitcase being pulled from under the table, was an official ck box where ballots were kept safe. amna: pak resigned on january 4 of 2021, after details of trump pressuring georgia's secretar became public. al schmidt, thlone republican on philadelphia's election board was asked to probe other voter fraud allegations. >> not only was there not evidence of 8,000 dead voters voting in pennsylvania, there wasn't evidence of eight. amna: even for these republican officials, trump's repeated lie led his supporters, echoing those lies, to make very real threats. >> after the president tweeted
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at me by name, calling me out the way that he did, the threats became much more specific, much more graphic, and included not just me by name, but including members of my family, my name, their ages, our address, pictures of our home. amna: the committee will once again pick up on the effect of the big lie on wednesday during a hearing that will focus on trump's attempts to replace the u.s. attorney general in the final days of his presidency. for "the pbs newshour," i am amna nawaz. judy: joining me now to discuss today's events is ben ginsberg, who was one of this morning's witnesses. he's a longtime republican elections attorney who has worked with the republican national committee, or rnc, and multiple presidential campaigns. and cynthia miller-idriss, who runs the polarization and extremism research & innovation lab at american university.
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welcome to the newshour, to both of you. i should say, welcome back. i want to ask you both, what stood out for you at these two hours of testimony and presentation by the committee? cynthia: i think it was really clear, again, as it was on thursday, at the election fraud claims were baseless. that this was a massive disinformation. and that we are going to move forward with a very common narrative from many witnesses that that is the case. i thk what stands out is that that is absolutely the case and that the american public should feel confident in that bipartisan set of witnesses deciding that. judy: and ben ginsberg, we were -- you were there, you testified, from your own experience. why did you want to be there today? ben: because this is so important. what today's testimony brought out was that people in donald
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trump's campaign, his most trusted campaign workers, told him the charges of fraud and rigged election was not correct, that they could not prove that, that there was not evidence. the president of the united states, ripping the fabric of what holds ourountry in the election system together, is tremendously important to get out that story. judy: and at one point, in the question-and-answer period, you are asked about the fact that you have worked with campaigns that have challenged aspects of election results. but that this one was taken to a different level. ben: it was taken to a different level. when folks like me get called in to do elections, it is because the elections really are close. this election was not really close. 2000 in florida was 537 votes. that's close. dona trump's most narrow margin in all of the key states was over 10,000 votes. you don't make up that many
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votes in any recount. now, the country continues to go through the trauma of the fake allegations of our elections being rigged. that comes at a cost to the country. judy: cynthia miller-idriss, you talked about what the committee was trying to do, this methodical presentation of witness after witness. many of them right in the white house, the former president's attorney general. how good a job are they doing of getting that story, the narrative out there? cynthia: i think they are doing a very good job of getting the story out. the question is, is anybody listening who was not already convinced of that story? and i think with midterm elections coming up, with another presidential election right around the corner after that, i think we really have to be thinking as much as we are about the story we are telling, we need to be thinking that much about how do we prevent people from being persuaded by that kind of disinformation again in future elections?
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and how do we restore the trust in the election system that has possibly been so irrevocably damaged at this point by people o no longer trust the system. judy: and we know that is what the committee would like to have happen as a result. we will see how much -- what the work they are doing leads to that. ben ginsberg, as someone who has worked with the republican party for many years, you obviously know a lot of republicans. are they likely to be persuaded by this case the committee is making? ben: i believe the committee's case may eventually persuade republicans that is in their own self interest to put faith back in elections. what i think some republicans are losing sight of is that once the voters, the people, don't have faith in elections, that is going to hurt them when they win elections as well.
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for example, the imaginary game to play is suppose donald trump runs for reelection and wins. do we really think the democrats are not going to behave in a similar fashion, now that the playbook has been written, to protest that election? you now have a situation where 30% of the country does not have faith in our elections. buthat really does rub both ways and impacts and poisons the well for both parties. judy: is that something, cynthia miller-idriss, that this committee's work can address ahead of time, to head it off? cynthia: i think it is one part of a bigger set of things that needs to happen. we have to remember, the people o are watching this are not just voters whose minds are made up, but kids in history classes, in civics classes, kids who will be voting in the 2022-2024 elections who want to understand what this older generation has
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done, and want to believe in very optimistic ways that they can make a difference. i think it is important to document it, even if this does not persuade people. it has to be done for the reco, for the museums that will document it in the future, and for teenagers who are watching and college students watching today who are going to be tomorrow's voters and hopefully make different decisions. judy: it matters for history. i hear you, ben ginsberg, saying it also matters rit now in the immediate future. our elections in this country, we hold them every year, in some parts of the country, but the major elections every four years. congressional elections, every two years. ben: yes, it really is important. donald trump sort of broke the fabric, violated a really important norm in our country in this election. any candidate has the right to bringte cstons recounts and
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litigation as allowed by the different states laws. what is important to remember is that donald trump availed himself of that. filed more than 60 cases with more than 180 separate counts. when that was adjudicated, any candidate has an obligation to accept the decisions of the courts that they went to in the first place. the committee's work can help point out that particular situation. f lepe pbo oesarth ti repeated. judy: and remind everybody that this has never happened before. ben: never happened before. judy: this is a first. i keep coming back, cynthia miller-idriss, how is it that so many people can accept what is demonstrably false? cynthia: that is t million-dollar question. i say million-dollar because we also have invested, since january 6, billions of dollars already in just added security for the capitol alone. what we are investing in the securitization of this country, the militarization of our
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bridges every time we have an inauguration now, we need to be investing that scale at the level of civic education, media literacy, digital literacy, to help the public understand that at every level, how to understand source integrity and recognize disinformation and not be persuaded by it. judy: finally, ben ginsberg, what do you think it is the committee needs to do in coming be areo complete this case?n: pu ret trying to draw, is the exact role of donald j. trump. and how involved he was in the insurrection. congresswoman cheney laid out the seven point plan that they believed donald trump was carrying out. they need to fill in the dots. judy: we will see in coming days. four more hearings to go. ben ginsberg, cynta miller-idriss, we thank you both. judy: and a reminder that day
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three of the january 6 hearing is this wednesday, that begins at 10:00 a.m. eastern. we will ve live coverage here on pbs, that is on-air and online. ♪ stephanie: i'm stephanie sy with "newshour west." we will return to the full program after the latest headlines. 31 members of a white supremacist group are free on bail in idaho, and charged with planning violent disruptions at an lgbtq event. members of the patriot front were arrested saturday in coeur d'alene. police said today they found equipment and documents detailing plans for violence in the city center. >> that level of preparation is not something you see every day, and it was clear to us immediately that this was a riotous group who prepared in advance to come downtown and disrupt either the pride event or the prayer in the park event
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or just riot downtown in sherman. stephanie: the chargesgainst the patriot front members are misdemeanor counts. the men will make itial court appearances in the coming weeks. ohio's republican governor mike dewine signed a bill today allowing school districts the option of arming employees with a minimum of 24 hours of initial training. teachers unions in ohio had urged him to veto the bill, saying putting more guns in schools without adequate training is "dangerous." the u.s. air force has cleared the crew of a c-17 cargo plane after a tragedy during the evacuation of afghanistan last august. civilians clung to the wheels as the plane took off from kabul, then fell to their deaths. the air force told that a review found the crew faced extreme conditions and was not to blame. an iraqi man held at guantanamo bay, cuba for 15 years pleaded guilty today to war crimes in afghanistan and pakistan. it was part of a deal that will
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see him transferred to a third country. 37 men are still held at guantanamo. senior officials in iraq insist they'll keep trying to form a government after more than 70 shiite lawmakers resigned on sunday. muqtada al-sadr's anti-iran bloc finished first in october's election, but could not form a governing coalition. today, the iraqi parliament speaker disputed the idea ther has to be a new election. he spoke in rdan. >> this option -- holdg a new election- is a constitutional option. but it is not on the table so far. we seek to form a government that can bear the responsibility of political powers, its achievements and can be evaluated by the people. stephanie: the resignations leave iranian-backed groups with a majority in the iraqi parliament. in eastern ukraine, nonstop russian shelling blasted a chemical plant in sievierodonetsk, where civilians and fighters are holed up. the provincial governor said all
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bridges into the city have been destroyed. meanwhile, ukrainian police said they are investigating the killing of more than 12,000 people nationwide since the war began. back in this country, the u.s. supreme court ruled against immigrants asking to be released from detention while they fight being deported. the decision said they have no right to bond hearings, despite claiming they face persecution back home. record flooding forced yellowstone national park to close today. the park service reported extremely heavy rain, washed out roads, touched off mudslides, and swept away a bridge. flooding has also cut off road access to the town of gardiner, montana, a town of 900. and extreme heat and strong winds are driving wildfires from california to new mexico. in northern arizona, several hundred homes outside flagstaff were evacuated. so far this year, wildfires nationwide have burned about twice as many acres than average. still to come on "the newshour"... gun violence researchers
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investigate the root causes of mass shootings. tamara keith and amy walter break down the latest political headlines. broadway honors its best at the first tony awards following the pandemic. and much more. >> this is "the pbs newshour" from weta studios in washington, and in the west from the walter cronkite school of journalism at arizona state university. judy: after weeks of mounting pressure to see action on guns, lawmakers on capitol hill have come to an agreement on a framework for gun legislation. our political correspondent lisa desjardins is here with the details. welcome. there does seem to be the outline of a deal. tell us what is in this. lisa: there is a framework. 20 senators, notably 10 l'tat's'lkbo ahae signed on. in more depth. let's talk about the gun portions of this bill.
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in this bill, there would be -- there is a statement to encourage state red flag laws, currently 19 states have those laws. senators would like to see them in most states. they would close what is called the boyfriend loophole. that is a situation where if someone is convicted of domestic violence but is not married to the person they have a used, they could continue to own a firearm. this would change that for any domestic abuse allegation. also, there would be deeper background checks for those who are 18 to 21 years old and buying assault style weapons. notably many of our viewers will recognize, there is not a change in the age limit to buy those kinds of weapons. but instead, what these senators would like to do is make available, in fact, require, criminal juvenile records be included in that background search, which is not happening now. that is one portion. the other portion of the bl deals with mental health, and larger societal problems that
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might lead to the people that ol the. fra kindenvi o , a majoler investment in mental health and suicide prevention across the country. something notable, this framework aims to expand 24/7 community mental health centers across the country, increase access to mental health care, and specifically, mental hlth care and trauma counseling in schools and it would also add a large boost of school safety funding. we don't have details on this, that is why it is a framework, not a bill yet, but why so much emphasis on things like mental health? not only because it is a bipartisan issue that most americans agree on, but because the players here. kyrsten sinema, one of the core four who is helping assure this through, her first job, a social worker in schools. she still teaches social work. she is someone who is pushing for these mental health ideas. also two important figures, roy blunt, a republican who has
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signed on, and debbie stabenow. it is their mental health framework that they have been preparing for years and it is being adopted in this proposal. judy: rather than a huge ambitious approach, this has been described as a more pragmatic one. help us understand why that is. lisa: something that is helping these senators reach consensus is the fact that they are looking at the profile of a certain kind of american who has been committing the most reprehensible violence, young men. when you look at the data, we looked at some of it today, you see why senators have their attention on that profile. 18 to 21-year-old perpetrators of gun violence, according to the violence project, that accounts for two thirds of the largest mass shootings since 2018. if you look broadly, this according to the giffords law to prevent gun violence, they are responsible for 17% of all homicides. it is helping that senators can aim this conversation in a
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focud way at one particular kind of perpetrator that wknow is responsible for an outsized amount of gun violence. judy: we know a lot of people are waiting to see what they d what about the timing? what happens next and when? lisa: this is the question we all have. everyone knows the midterms are coming. the clock is not helpful to the u.s. senate. however, this is delicate, this is a difficult situation. they don't have legislative text. i'm going to show you what they do have, this background proposal we are talking about. if you look at what it actually looks like, it is not a large document. there are just 300 words and it. -- words in it. we can scroll through it. just 300 words. what these senators have to do is write this into text. ofisk th.t ay w have agreed on a photograph of a house. they have not decided things like how many bedrooms, how big should the bedrooms be, what kind of appliances in the kitchen, who should use them? those are difficult questions
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that can add to problems in a deal. most of the senate wants a deal, but they have to figure out those tough details. i think where we are at is they will try to write this legislative text in the ne two weeks. if thedo it, it would be remarkable. here is what chuck schumer says about where they are at. >> for the first time in a long time, the senate has a path forward on legislation that will save lives, reduce gun violence, and keep our communities safe. make no mistake about it, we have a lot of work left to do before we actually pass a bill, but yesterday's announcement was a positive and necessary step in the right direction. lisa: i can imagine viewers saying, we have heard this before, we have heard positive steps before. this is different in one way, we did not hear from senator mcconnell on this today. the fact that he is not saying anything is a reason for hope. he is not putting a hand on the scale yet. he is not against this.
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repuicans have been quick in the past to say no to anything related to gun legislation. he is leaving an opening. the main question is the momentum the senate has, those calls they are getting from constituents, will that keep up long enough for them to finish the deal? and that, we don't know. judy: when you say as long as it takes to build a house, it could go on for a long time. but we will see. lisa: that is why we are gainfully employed. [laughter] judy: for sure. and you certainly are. thank you very much. lisa: you are welcome. ♪ judy: even if the proposed framework lisa just described is signed into law, the u.s. will still struggle with far too many mass shootings. researchers are trying to better understand what's behind these shootings. william brangham picks up on that part of the story. william: after mass shootings
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like those in buffalo, uvalde, tulsa, and elsewhere, there are so many questions about the perpetrators. what was their motive? how did they obtain the gun? were there warning signs? could something have been done to avert these massacres? two professors in minnesota, julian peterson and james densely, set out years ago to answer some of those questions with the hope of ultimately preventing the next tragedy. i spoke with them both earlier. thank you both so much for being jillian, your research has focused on the characteristics that are shared by many of these mass shooters. and some of the striking commonalities between them. can you explain about what you found? jillian: sure. we studied the life histories of 180 perpetrators who killed four or more people in a public setting. we build a database using publicly available data, and also did about 50 interviews with perpetrators themselves and
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people who knew them, their victims, and first responders. we identified this common pathway to violence that we saw over and over again. it often started with serious violence in childhood abuse, neglect, different forms of trauma laid the foundation. then you see over time, a build where they become isolated, depressed, hopeless, oftentimes thiss a crisis where they are actively suicidal or have attempted suicide previously. then that self-hate turns outward. and you see perpetrators finding who it is that they blame for how awful they feel. a lot of times, they study other mass shooters, they see themselves in these previous mass shooters, where they are online in chat rooms or dark corners of the internet getting radicalized toward violence. these mass shootings are meant to be watched and witnessed. they want their anger to go viral. they want their message to get out there.
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and they are designed to be their final act. they go into it knowing that they will not come out. and they have access to the weapons they need to do the shooting. william:ou mentioned before that many of these cases end up as suicides. and there were not longer-term plans for the rest of the day or the day after. what does that help us learn? james: i think that is a really, really important point. and something which for us, doing this research, it was a bit of an ah-ha moment. if you think of a mass shooting as being a final act, and somebody who perpetrates this does not intend to get away with it, that is never why they go into thito begin with. many mass shooters are suicidal prior to the act. they even ve suicidal attempts in their histories or they 100% tend to die in the act, and they write this their diaries
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or manifestoes and other things. it changes the way we think about prevention. what can we learn from suicide prevention techniques, which were then applied to mass shooters? if mass shooters intend to die in the act, if they longer care if they live or die, these are people who are in a true crisis in their lives. what we learn from suicide prevention could be applied to get them out of that crisis to begin with, but also in how we talk about mass shootings. we have protocols in place in the media, when we talk about suicide, we often will offer resources. we will say, here is the telephone number for the national suicide prevention hotline. we will not dwell on certain details, because we are worried about copycats and contagion. those same rulespply with mass shooters. mass soters are studying other mass shooters. if we can adhere by those same rules when we think about these events, that could also help stop the next mass shooting. and i think that is what is the most important piece.
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william: are there other parts of your research that within these commonalities that you all found that help us figure out how to prevent, how to identify, how to see these before they end up in the newspaper? jillian: yes. in identifying this pathway to violence, we thought about how could you build off ramps at different locations along this pathway? because we have not undersod where these perpetrators are coming from, our typical response has been to try to minimize casualties once they occur, sadly. we go through lockdown drills, or we place armed guards, really late end stuff. but what we realized through this research is mass shooters are not outsiders. they are not these scary bad guys coming in. they are kids who go to that school, they are our classmates, neighbors, coworkers. in some ways, that makes prevention easier. i think it requires a shift in thinking.
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but then it becomes noticing when people around you have a change in their behavior, and having systems in place where we can report that, and it will be met with a response that is one of care and concern and hooking you up to resources, rather than punishment or pushing you out. willm: is it true that there are red flags, to use this term, in this conversation? that there are signals that even laypeople can be aware of and to see clearly? james: absolutely, there is. in fact, if you look at the numbers in our database, about half of the individuals that went on to perpetrate a mass shooting were communicating that intent to do harm in advance. in the case of school shooters in particular, that number is about 80%. it is very common r people to be telegraphing their violence is coming. they are often talking about it with friends and family, which is then dismissed as you know,
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this is just that casual conversation, don't worry about it. william: just a disgruntled teen. james: exactly. boys will be boys. that type of mentality. or, they are posting things on social media, which perhaps we are not putting those pieces of the puzzle together. and that is the most critical thing here. time and time again, we see a consistent pattern after these mass shootings where we cago back and retrospectively look at them. which is to say, law enforcement knew something, a parent knew something, a teacher knew mething, a classmate or a peer knew something. they spotted things on social media, they had seen drawings, conversations, whatever it had been. but none of those individuals were necessarily talking to one another or sharing that information, so it was never rising to a level where there would be an intervention. that is usually the problem here. the systems are not necessarily in place or fully functioning to at mppcien cintg.omal
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en that is really on us, the onus is on us to build those systems, resource them, fund them, make sure people no longer fall through the cracks, so we can get ahead of this problem, so we are not looking back on it and saying, these were missed opportunities. william: jillian peterson and james densely, the research and the book is called "the violence project: how to stop a mass shooting epidemic.” thank you both so much for your time. ♪ judy: the high-profile congressional investigation over the january 6th attack on the capitol and how to address gun violence in america are two of the issues taking center stage in this mid-term election year. to discuss the political stakes, i'm joined by amy walter of the
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cook political report with amy walter. and tamara keith of npr. hello to both of you. welcome to the program on this monday. let's pick up with the story we have just been hearing from william and lisa's reporting on this framework for a deal. tam, you have been watching this as it has unfolded the last few weeks. does this look like it has a chance to become law, passed the senate, and then be agreed on and signed bthe president? tamara: there is a magical number and that number is 10 republicans, and there are 10 republicans signed on to this. in that respect, it has a much better chance than anything that has been discussed over the last several years. what is interesting is who those republicans are. they are republicans who are not up until 2026. they are several who are retiring. and then there is mitt romney who has nothing to lose and has proven his independence in a number of ways on a number of matters.
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this does not go nearly as far as president biden has been calling for, as he did in his primetime address,s democrats have wanted. but it goes further than democrats had feared they might have to accept. the rush from president biden, speaker pelosi, to come out and say right away, great, we will take that, it's something, it's a step! it indicates that there is motivation. of course, they are now working out the fine details of what is in the legislative language. they are hurrying to do that. but the fine details can get into trouble, also the nra and others can rally while those details are being worked out. judy: and the more days we get away from the shooting, the less this pressure is felt. amy: i think there are a couple of ways to look at this. there can be the cynical way or not cynical way. i don't know where you want me to start. the not cynical way is, guess what? they're actually is a centerleft
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in the united states congress. it does not look like it very often, it looks like the two sides will never come together, even on the most obvious, tremendous problems. but here we find 10 republicans willing to go along with democrats on legislation that, tam is right, nobody will be totally happy with this, but it is significant, in the same way we saw a center for the infrastructure bill. things can get done in congress. the cynical side goes to what tam brought up as well. everybody who is part of this center, not everybody, but the -- but who is not up for reelection, or they are not coming back in 2023. judy: u need 10 votes. amy: you do. judy: all democrats on board, 10 republicans. you have it done. if that holds, this could actually happen. amy: this gets to the president's desk. tamara: this is the math we talk about every week.
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this math works as long as it doesn't fall apart. judy: big, big if. let's talk about the other big thing we have been watching over the last few days. certainly the two of you seasoned washington observers have been watching these hearings. this morning and last thursday night. tam, what are you taking away from this? the committee is presenting an organized story, narrative, what tamara: a lot of this is not new to those of us who have been following it closely. but most people have not been following it very closely. a lot of this reflects reporting that i did in those months between the election and january 6, and immediately following it. but my sources were unnamed sources. they were people who would not go on the record. and now you have people on the record, in depositions, on video, saying these things that they were saying behind closed doors. like the campaign manager
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talking about being part of the normal -- team normal versus team rudy. all of that is stuff that was being discussed on background and unwilling to say it publicly. now, with a subpoena, they have said it publicly. judy: not to mention the former attorney general of the united states, who has been very blunt. amy: that's right. that's right. and i think ben ginsberg laid this out well earlier in the show, which is that these are not democrats coming and sitting in front of the committee and saying, donald trump was misleading people willingly, or he was told these things and he refused to believe them. or we laid out scenario after scenario which he refused to abide by. this is his attorney general, these are the people closest to him, in his orbit, his campaign manager. they were telling him this all along and they knew that this was an issue all along.
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what we also know is there were many people, as tam points out, who knew all along, who were in congress, or who are republican operatives, that this also was not true. and they were willing to continue to go along with it, because it was more dangerous for them, and still more dangerous for them to speak out against the president, and call out what is true, than it is to be quiet and hold on to your seat in congress. judy: i'm going to ask you the same question i was asking ben ginsberg and cynthia miller-idriss, which is, how long do they continue to say what is not true was true? how long does that last? amy: i think the concern here is whether this committee proves that donald trump should have ever returned to the oval office or not, or whatever the committee aims to prove, the
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former presidentade it ok to not concede. the former president has created a norm where you can be a candidate who denies reality to the bitter end, and will have people follow along and lieve you and reduce documentaries, or "documentaries," to prove that it is right. our system relies on people accepting the results of the elections. and now, there is a norm that is being established by the former president and his acolytes who are running for office right now, that it is ok to just not like the result and refused to accept it. judy: and is that a norm that is going to survive? tamara: it works until it doesn't. that is really the answer, mostly in politics. politicians are looking at what is working at this moment. and right now at this moment, there is no repercussion to
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saying this election was irregular, was stolen, there are integrity issues, whatever it is. there is no penalty for saying that. especially since most of the people running for election are running in districts that are overwhelmingly republican. what we will find out is whether the people can go and make these claims and still win elections. we will have very good opportunities to see whether this works or not, when it is not donald trump making these claims, but when it is others who are parroting his claims and saying they will do similar things. the potential gubernatorial candidate in arizona, a gubernatorial candidate in pennsylvania. it will work until it doesn't work. judy: and we will see whether the committee is able to call into question enough of what former president trump has said to in any way diminish the credibility that he has with his followers. tamara: and that first night at least, 20 million people watched.
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i don't know what share were persuaded. therwere more watching on c-span that are part of th number. amy: when we are talking about 2024, how people feel out donald trump, when we get all of these hearings distilled into campaign ad after campaign ad after campaign ad that go over and over again. that also could be a very different response than even what we are seeing today from voters. judy: we will be watching. the two of you will be watching. thank you both. ♪ broadway attempted to stage a big comeback at last night's 75th annual tony awards. there were some very familiar works being honored as well as innovations showcasing inclusion. cole ellis has a look for our arts and culture series, canvas.
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>> the tony goes to -- a strange loop. nicole: taking home the coveted best musical award was "a strange lo," michael r. jackson's 2020 pulitzer-prize winning musical spotlighting the societal judgment and self-doubt of a black gay writer creating his own musical. >> six: musical! nicole: other leading musicals also took home awards, "six: the musical,” about henry the eighth's six wives, won best original score, while "mj," about legendary performer michael jackson, won best actor with myles frost. >> thank you america. nicole: joaquina kalukango won leading actress for her performance in "paradise square.” representation seemed to be the theme of the night. host and recent oscar winner ariana debose, reinforced that sentiment. >> i am so proud that the theater is becoming more reflective of the community who adores it. nicole: jesse green is the chief theater critic at the new york
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times. >> broadway has always said it loved diversity. but didn't do very much about it. inecent years, and especially this yea hher,eeasren ba notable jump, not just in the number of works by black authors and hepeople who formerly couldn't get to broadway, but also in the casting and staffing and in the naming of new theaters for great black performers of the past, james earl jones and lena horne. and that seems to me to be an actual change, not just lip service. now, will it continue to build or just stay there as a plateau? it's going to take several years to find the answer to that. nicole: broadway is still reeling from the pandemic, with attendance at roughly half of what it was in 2019. green says it will be a long road to recovery. >> it's way too soon to say broadway got its groove back. broadway survived a forest fire. and there are some things that bizarrely turned out to be useful about that forest fire, as there can be in nature, too,
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in allowing new things to grow. and that's part of why we saw such an unusual array of works and artists on broadway this year that in previous years we wouldn't have seen. whether you can count on that to continue when there isn't a forest fire going on, i'm not so sure, but i'm hoping that the movements that have produced these changes will not relax in their requests and requirements of broadway. and we will continue to see at least a healthy mix of kinds of material and a diversity of artists. >> thank you first and foremost to stephen sondheim. nicole: a special tribute honored the famed comper, songwriter and lyricist stephen sondheim, who died in november. his production company won best revival for a musical. other highlights of the night included a shout out to understudies, and others not often recognized publicly. angela lansbury received the lifetime achievement award. and jennifer hudson's win as producer for "a strange loop,” propelled her to egot status,
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having now won an emmy, grammy, oscar and tony. but will the spirit of last night's awards help spur better times on broadway? >> i'm really interested in maintaining a balance between traditional shows that are enjoyable for everybody and that draw tourists and shows that are more challenging. i don't think the business works if it's only one or only the other. in one case, it is stagnant with old ideas, and in the other case, it's bankrupt. so you have to find a way in between. bualso stylistically, there were a lot of shows that were that were seen this season, and some of them awarded, that were extremely unusual in terms of style, and it was stunning to see them in these beautiful 19th century theaters and to see them taken up to some extent with aise and awards, to a lesser extent with money. nicole: for the pbs nshour, i am nicole ellis. judy: what a great way to think about those tony's. and that's "the newshour" for
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