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judy: good evening. i'm judy woodruff. on the newshour tonight, searching for answers. officials say a missile strike that killed two people in a polish border town was likely unintentional and tied to ukrainian air defense, but russia is not free from blame. then, border battle. a federal judge blocks the controversial health order that the u.s. has been using to expel people crossing the southern border. and greenwashing. the gap between climate pledges -- between pledges to address climate change and action sparks widespread criticism at a global climate summit. >> greenwashing has become a new form of climate denial. greenwashing as an idea is when companies or banks or institutions pretend to they're -- pretend that they are doing
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more with climate than they actually are. judy: all that and more on tonight's pbs newshour. ♪ >> major funding for the "pbs newshour" has been provided by -- ♪ >> moving area economy for 160 years. bnsf, the engine that connects us. >> idiotic surgeon. volunteer. topiary artist. a raymondjames financial advisor taylor's advice to help you live your life.
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nato and the polish president now say the missile that killed 2 people on tuesday, was likely a stray, fired by ukrainea™s air -- ukraine's air defenses and not by russia. top u.s. officials say they support that initial assessment, but ukraine rejects it. we will delve into this, after the news summary. the group of 20 summit ended in bali, indonesia, today with prident biden and other leaders condemning the war in ukraine. in a closing statement, most members also blamed the conflict for worsening the global economy. but, they said the g-20 was not the right forum to resolve security issues. back in washington, u.s. senate republicans reelected mitch mcconnell as their leader, 37-10. he'd been challenged by floda senator rick scott, who was backed by some of the party's most conservative members. but mcconnell played down any divisions. >> i'm not in any way offended by having an opponent or having a few votes in opposition.
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as everyone has said, we had a good opportunity to discuss the various differences, people had a chanceo listen to both candidates. and i'm pretty proud of 37-10. judy: senate republicans also voted to keep john thune of south dakota and john barrasso of wyoming in their number 2 and 3 leadership slots. the senate is advancing legislation to ensure that same-sex and interracial marriages are legally recognized nationwide. democrats picked up a dozen republicans today, to get 60 votes and limit debate. they aim to send the bill to the house of representatives before year's end while democrats still control that body. former vice president mike pence has ruled out testifying before a congressional january 6 committee. he told cbs news he has ruled out appearing voluntarily and he says it will set a terrible
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precedent if congress can force a vice president to discuss white house deliberations. prosecutors say a universityf virginia student accused of killing three football players, targeted specific victims and shot one as he slept. christopher jones junior had his first court appearance today. he w ordered held without bond. meanwhile, students returned to class for the first time since sunday's attack. and the university canceled its home football game this saturday. the man who drove into a christmas parade outside milwaukee last year killing 6 people now faces the prospect of life in prison. darrell brooks sentencing hearing on 76 charges wrapped up today. he told the court he'd suffered from mental illness, but the judge said he clearly knows right from wrong. >> darrell brooks understands exactly what he's doing. his comprehension is fine. i have absolutely no concerns and have never had any concerns
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throughout this case and throughout this trial and even through the past day and a half regarding his competency. judy: wisconsin has no death penalty, but the homicide counts against brooks carried mandatory life prison terms. in iran, state tv reports gunmen killed at least 5 people and wounded 10 more in the country's southwest today. the reports said it happened in the city of izeh after several dozen anti-government protesters had gathered. state media also reported up to 19 protesters in tehran now face death sentences in the unrest that began when a young woman died in police custody. nasa's w lunar rocket, part of a program dubbed artemis, is sailing toward the moon tonight on its debut flight. it blasted off from cape canaveral early today with 3 test dummies in a space capsule. the plan is to orbit the moon before returning to earth in december. we'll return to artemis, later in the program. in economic news, amazon
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confirmed it has begun laying off workers, but would not say how many. news accounts have said the company will ultimately cut 10,000 positions. and on wall street retail and tech stocks pulled the market lower. the dow jones industrial average lost 39 points to close below 33,554. the nasdaq fell 174 points, 1.5%. the s&p 500 dropped 33 points. still to come on the newshour, former president donald trump announces his third bid for the white house amid rising republican resistance. problems with online sales to taylor swift concerts spark widespread criticism of ticketmaster's grip on the market. a look at the years of preparation that led to nasa's earnest mission. plus much more. >> this is the pbs newshour from weta studios in washington and in the west from the walter cronkite school of journalism at arizona state university.
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judy: it was the first explosion inside a nato country linked to the war in ukraine. the missile that landed last night in poland and killed two of its citizens sparked emergency meetings of nato and the world's leading democracies, as well asultiple phone calls by president biden and senior u.s. officials. today, initial findings suggest it was an errant ukrainian air defense missile, not a russian missile. to discuss this, i am joined by our nick schifrin. i know you have been reporting on this since the news first broke. what is known at this point about this explosion? nick: e investigation is being led by polish authorities aided by the u.s. andrzej duda said it was "highly probable" that ukrainian air defense missile landed in poland we heard from ian stoltenberg as well who said the explosion was "likely caused by ukrainian
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missile." secretary of defense lloyd office -- lloyd austen those assessments. >> our information supports what president duda said in his preliminary assessed -- luminary assessment, is that this is most likely a result of ukrainian air defense missile. nick: this is the aftermath of that missile. when we are talking about our ukrainian muscles that they are using to shoot down -- ukrainian missiles that they are using to shoot down those muscles. russia launched an hundred strikes across ukraine. that is the largest salvo of the war. ukraine is not on the same page tonight. you hear president volodymyr zelenskyy said his military told him it was not them. >> have no reason to doubt the evening report by the commander of the air force, delivered to me personally as well as to commander-in-chief zaluzhnyi. i have no doubt that it was not our missile. nick: that is a bit of the disconnect between the u.s. and
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ukraine. u.s. officials are increasingly confident in their initial assessment based on things like the investigators, u.s. and polish on the ground, based on things like radar, he tracking, and some intercepted communication. despite the disconnect, it does seem like this crisis is over. it was a crisis. the g7 leaders meeting in bali met at an emergency meeting. nato met in an unscheduled meeting. president biden and his top aides woke up in the middle of the night, but is jake sullivan, secretary of state antony blinken, taking notes. they spent hours scrambling because there has been a fear that since russia invaded ukraine, this war could spill over into nato. last night, for a minute, there was a fear that that had actually happened. judy: a lot of people are surprised it had not happened before now. let's broaden it out, the war itself. we know ukraine has had successes in the last several weeks.
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it was the chairman of the joint chiefs who said -- who suggested ukraine ought to be thinking about negotiating. nick: we have seen ukraine sees the only regional capital that russia seized this year, that his hair sound. u.s. officials believe it is getting muddy on the battlefield. that will limit the ability for ukraine and russia to seize and move the other person far. that has led the chairman of the joint chiefsast week to say that neither side could achieve their militarybjectives, and he said "when there is an opportunity to negotiate, seize the moment." heas criticized by some in ukraine and here for that comment. today, he said explicitly that ukraine plant to keep fighting. >> ukraine is going to continue to take the fight to the russians. and i just had a significant conversation with my ukrainian counterpart, and he assures me that that is the future for ukraine. nick: i was in the room, and we
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asked him, we pressed him on his comments last week multiple times. he finally admitted given the 100,000 plus casualties that russia has taken in this war, he says perhaps maybe it is not the worst time to negotiate. >> the russian military is really hurting bad. so, you want to negotiate at a time when you're at your strength and your opponent is at weakness. and it's possible, maybe, there will be a political solution. all i'm saying is there is a possibility for it. that's all i'm saying nick: the official u.s. policy is that only ukraine can decide when to negotiate. the ukrainian officials tell me and others they have no desire to negotiate and they think they can win. given what he is admitting, that victory is going to be very difficult, the u.s. expects this war to continue for a long time, as austin said today, i do not think this war will be over anytime soon. ju: would love to be a fly on the wall for those conversations
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between u.s. officials and the ukrainians. nick: absolutely. judy: nick schifrin, thank you. nick: thank you. [laughter] -- ♪ judy: former president trump's announcement that he will run for office again was met with mixed reviews. our geoff bennett reports on what we heard and did not hear last night in mar a lago. -- at mar-a-lago. reporter: on capitol hill today, tepid reaction from senate republican leader mitch mcconnell to donald trump announcing a reelection bid. >> the way i'm gonna go into this presidential primary season is to stay out of it. i don't have a dog in that fight. geoff: tuesday night, the former twice impeached president now facing multiple civil and criminal investigations kicked off a 2024 presidential campaign. mr. trump: in order to make america great and glorious
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again, i am tonight announcing my candidacy for president of the united states. geoff: mr. trump's latest bid begins at a moment of political weakness in the wake of midterm election losses from several of his endorsed candidates. his hour-long speech was filled with false claims and inaccuracies. including about the 2020 election he lost. mr. trump: many people think that because of this, china played a very active role in the 2020 election, just saying, just saying. geoff: the former president rolled out a second term platform that includes changing voting laws. mr. trump: to eliminate cheating, i will immediately demand voter id, same day voting, and only paper ballots. geoff: and he took a page from his 2016 playbook touting one of his signature policies. mr. trump: we built the wall, and now we will add to it. now, we built the wall we completed the wall. geoff: the southern border wall is about 300 miles short of
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being completed, according to us customs and border protection. >> trump has been chomping at the bit for more than a year to launch this presidential campaign. geoff: michael bender is a new york times political correspondent and author of book "frankly, we did win this election: the inside story of how trump lost." >> once trump said that he was going to have this announcement this week, he had effectively boxed himself in. there's not a lot of long term strategy here. trump is motivated mostly by winning the moment, winning the headline, and by announcing on tuesday, he avoids a headline that he looks weak by trying to postpone it. geoff: mr. trump is involved in multiplengoing investigations at the state and federal levels. over his role in the january 6th attack on the u.s. capitol, his efforts to overturn the 2020 election, his handling of sensitive government documents at mar-a-lago, and his family business. mr. trump: let's walk down pennsylvania avenue. geoff: sources close to the
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former president say he believes his candidacy will help shield him from potential prosecution. >> what his calculus here is, is that if he is the front runner for the republican party's presidentialomination, that could give pause to prosecutors who may be considering criminal charges in any any of these investigations. geoff: for his part, president biden a attending the g-20 summit in indonesia, appeared to dismiss his predecessor's announcement when asked about it by reporters. >> you have any reaction to that? pres. biden: no, not really. geoff: the white house instead taking to social media, slamming mr. trump's records, and casting his policies as failures. and posting this video promoting the passage of the infrastructure law. pres. biden: my predecessor promised infrastructure week. well infrastructure week never came. geoff: the former president will run this race without the help
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of his eldest daughter, ivanka. a former senior adviser in her father's administration, she says she won't be involved this time. she posted a statement to instagram saying, while i will always love and support my father, going forward i will do so outside the political arena. she's not the only one distancing herself. even mr. trump's former media allies, the murdoch family's flock -- fox news and the new york post have split at least for now. >> it's a remarkable turn and one that will be interesting to watch, to see where, you know, that murdoch empire puts their, you know, which candidate, which republican they put their chips behind over the next two years. geoff: as donald trump aims to become only the second commander in chief ever elected to two non-consecutive terms. for the pbs newshour, i am geoff bennett. ♪ judy: a record number of migrant apprehensions at the u.s.
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southern border is challenging the biden administration. and a new ruling by a federal judge on a controversial border policy known as title 42 has further complicated the landscape. amna nawaz is here with the latest. amna: judy, title 42 is a pandemic-related policy, put into place in march of 2020 by the trump administration, and kept in place for much of biden'presidency. citing covid concerns, it has been used to turn away more than one million people are arriving at the southern border. the biden administration's attempt to end the policy was blocked by a federal judge in but late tuesday, a u.s. may. district court judge ruled that title 42 violates federal regulatory law and must end. all this, as officials are managing an increase in attempted border crossings. nick miroff covers immigration for the washington post, and joins me now. welcome back to the newshour, and thanks for joining us. title 42 is in place and it remains in place right now. what is this latest ruling mean
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for when that policy will end? nick: that's right. judge sullivan just today issued a stay of his ruling. he actually wrote in the ruling he issued it with great reluctance but it gives the government five more weeks to get its ducks in a row before title 42 is gone. just a few days before the holidays, the biden administration will no longer have this tool at the border. so ihas got to prepare over the next five weeks for a potential major increase in the number of people attempting to enter the united states. it says that is something it has been preparing for for a long time and that it is going to work to make sure that this is going to remain, that this will be an orderly process. i should say, the biggestear that many numbers of this administration have, especially at the department of homeland security, is that they will see a repeat of a del rios style influx.
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the kind that we saw last september in del rio, texas, when thousands of people crossed the rio grande at the same time and overwhelmed u.s. capacity. amna: the context here is really important. i want to show some numbers to give folks a sense of what has been happening at the u.s. southern border. these are numbers from the last few months in terms of total border encounters. see the number back in july, they topped 200,000. they have en taking up. october'satest numbers show at a record high 230,678 border encounters. you mentioned they expect those numbers to go up. as they put things into place, do this orderly transition, what can i do to prepare? nick: they can increase capacity to hold migrants in custody. they can send more agents and other personnel, including potentially national guard or other personnel to the border to assist border patrol agents. but really, they are going to be
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up against a wall if the number of people coming across significantly increases. what we've seen in the past, what they have had to revert to is issuing notices to appear, or notices to report, basically quickly checking somebody's background and taking their fingerprints, and telling them to report to immigration authorities in their destination in the united states. the problem with that is once people start doing that and have -- and word spreads, that you can cross the border and not be immediately deported, it does create a major incentive for more people to come, and smuggling organizations throughout the world are going to try to capitalize on that. this is their fear, ramping up, they need to ramp up their capacity and ability to handle that kind of an influx over the next five weeks to get ready. amna: in texas, i wanted to ask about greg abbott, what you will do.
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yesterday, he moved to invoke the so-called invasion because of the texas constitution and u.s. constitution. what does that allow him to do and can he legally do that? nick:nick: i did not see much new in that announcement. it seemed like a repackaging of other things he has announced. the issue is that while state officials can help make apprehensions, can stop migrants who are present in the country illegally, they have to give them over to federal authorities. what that ends up happening is it forces under governor abbott's command can take people back to the border. they can hand them over to cdp, to u.s. customs and border protection at the border, but it remains up to the biden administration essentially what to do with those migrants. amna: the big picture is we have more people fleeininstability and insecurity from more places, coming to the u.s. southern
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border. our immigration system has not meaningfully changed in three decades. are there real options for big change that would help to address this? nick: i think there is broad agreement in both parties that the system is broken and desperately needs fixes. what we have seen again and again is that there is little room for compromise on this issue. in flames passions, and i think we are further away from any kind of deal right now then we have been in a long time. we have seen proposals come and go. there is very little reason to believe, going into the next election cycle, that the lawmakers are in the mood for compromise. i think we can expect this kind of dysfunctional status quo to remain for a long time. amna: nick mira, thank you for joining us. nick: thank you, my pleasure. ♪
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judy: the talks at the cop-27 climate talks in egypt have been very difficult. there's even been growing tension about whether some countries will remain committed to prior pledges to try to limit the rise in average global temperatures. now, as nearly 200 countries negotiate on reducing emissions, a new report is calling for greater regulation and transparency around prior and future pledges. william brangham has more. william: judy, this united nations report targets governments, corporations and banks for what's called greenwashing or making false or exaggerated claims of progress. it says any promise to reduce greenhouse gas emissions needs to be backed with actual evidence, and it challenges the idea that groups can claim to be moving in the right direction, while simultaneously investing in new fossil fuel projects. for more on this push for greater clarity about what progress really means, i'm
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joined by jamie hannan. he's director of the nonprofit fossil free media and co founder of three fifty.orgone of the biggest global climate change activist groups. jamie, great to have you on the newshour. the u.n. is decrying this issue have greenwashing. meanwhile, in egypt, we have all of these countries and companies pledging to do better many of them simultaneously, deploying ongoing coal plants. how serious a problem is this? and from your perspective, who are the biggest culprits? jamie: well, i think greenwashing is a serious problem. because greenwashing has become a new form of climate denial. greenwashing is this idea is when companies or banks or institutions pretend to they're doing more with climate than they actually are. and we see this around specific products like pretending a shampoo is free range organic climate positive when really it's the same old chemicals. but we also see around entire
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industries, where the fossil fuel industry or the financial sector will pretend that they're taking bold action to address the climate crisis, when in fact they're just continuing business as usual. so i think it's really important to see the united nations calling this out and taking this problem head on. william: so the eu financial regulators said they're also going to try to tackle this issue. what would a realistic sort of fact check or enforcement mechanism to try to crack down on brainwashing actually look like? -- greenwashing actually look like? jamie: well, i think we really need to focus on where we -- where greenwashing takes place. which is in advertising and public relations are concrete. his campaign has tragic billions of dollars of advertising from the fossil fuel industry and allied industries. and a huge majory of that advertising is about they're supposed climate credentials. take one company like chevron, over 80% of their advertising mentions words like sustainable, environment, clean. but less than 2% of chevron's
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actual capital expenditureare going into climate solutions. so that's not just greenwashing, that's really lying. and that's false advertising. something we already regulate and supposedly we already take a close look at. strengthening strengthening the ability for our regulatory agencies, like the ftc here in the united states to really take a close look at these statements and hold corporations accountable if they're not doing their part is one place to start. jamie: -- william: to hold them accountable would mean what regulatory actions lawsuits, public naming and shaming campaigns, what would that look like? jamie: i think all of the above and actually, that's already beginning to happen. there are a number of instances in europe and here in the united states where companies have been forced to take down advertising that actually was lying about their product. that's happened to bp in the uk, for instance, where they were saying they were selling a more environmentally friendly fuel, when in fact is continuing to emit the same level of carbon emissions. here in the united states, we
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have seen multiple state attorney general's go after fossil fuel companies for deceiving the public about their record on climate change. and we've had the house oversight committee actually looking into this issue of false advertising, climate deception. william: this u.n. report laid out a bunch of recommendations of things that might happen going forward. and one of them was to say that any company that claims it's trying to achieve net zero cannot simultaneously be funding or supporting ongoing oil and gas projects, fossil fuel projects. but on some level, isn't that the definition of net zero that if you are emitting carbon on one side, you're then finding ways to reduce it or sequester it on the other. explain why that that's a problem. jamie: let's talk about the problem as a whole, which is that since the paris agreement financial institutions around the world have poured hundreds of billions of dollars into fossil fuel projects. the 60 largest financial institutions in the world and -- world have poured over $740 billion in new coal, oil and gas
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projects since paris. many of those institutions including leading us banks like jp morgan, bank of america, citi, are supposedly committed to zero pathway. the problem is that they really take that debt and stretch it for all it's worth. so they argue that they continue to finance fossil fuels, because someday they'll plant enough trees or buy enough carbon offsets to reduce those emissions down to zero. thscience does not act bad -- does not back that up. there is a reason why that international energy agency has said that in order to meet the market, we have to stop all financing fossil fuels last year, not sometime in the distant future. william: and what about this issue of deforestation pledges, we cerinly seen companies and countries say we're going to stop deforestation. perhaps most critically and most recently in brazil with the new president lula there saying he is going to stop deforestation in the amazon. how seriously should we take those pledges when we see them being made publicly? jamie: they certainly give us a
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certain degree of hope. and it matters who it is coming from. lula has a track record on the environment. it's a complicated one in brazil, but i think we can hopefully assume that he wants to he wants to move things in the right direction. but the important thing is really verifying these pledges. and deforestation is a complicated we know that the one. real solution is protecting true biodiversity and investing often in the indigenous communities that live on those lands to be caretakers of those forests. what we tend to see instead is big corporate programs where often they have already cut down trees and they're replacing a vibrant, diverse ecosystem with something like a palm oil plantation, which technically is made up of trees, but it's certainly not the forest that it replaced. so i think a lot of people are -- these pledges, the devil is in the details. and as we get into the era of actual implementation, versus bold distant pledges, that verification is gonna become all the more important. william: thank you so much for
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being here. jamie: thank you. ♪ judy: more than 4 and half million people who fled russia's war in ukraine have sought refuge in the european union. around a quarter of them in neighboring poland. most ukrainians receive a warm welcome, they are offered blanket access to temporary residence permits so they can work and receive social benefits. but so many women and children seeking to build new lives in trying circumstances also creates opportunities for sexual and labour exploitation. special correspondent rosie birchard reports from poland. rosie: packing up for the long ride to ukraine has become a ritual for elzbieta jarmulska. for months, the polish entrepreneur has been rallying women volunteers who drive to the border and beyond to pick up female ukrainian refugees and their chilen. they hope to offer a few hours of protection in the comfort of
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another woman's car, so arrivals can avoid relying on male strangers. >> i personally heard stories about the drivers wanting sexual favors from women. for the drive, obviously, telling them first it's for free. when it comes to accommodation, there are also a lot of stories we heard, even abuse in terms of slavery work, so working for -- working super hard for accommodation and being abused mentally. rosie: olha fomina and alla haivoronska who both fled dnipro in southeast ukraine alone, or waiting for elzbieta at this border-town train station. amid all the distress of displacement, they are grateful for the ride to warsaw. >> yesterday i was walking around dnipro looking at all the monuments. i felt that it could be my last
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time, because i don't know if i will see them again. it was so painful. >> it is misery like this that can offer fertile ground for human traffickers and criminals seeking to profit from desperation. especially when most of those escaping are women and children. police quickly realized the risks. >> we have adopted a zero tolerance policy. we have sent a lot of uniformed police officers to the border. they even traveled by trains with refugees so they could feel safe moving further into poland. we have also sent plain clothes officers to monitor the situation and we used cameras and other gadgets to track the license plates of the cars coming to ck up refugees. rosie: around seven million people have crossed from ukraine into poland since the day of the invasion last february. here at the polish-ukrainian border, signs remind refugees to keep safety in mind. they say most people have good intentions but some may wish to exploit vulnerabilities. for many, making it here, onto
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eu and nato soil, is a relief. but for some, the road ahead brings new risks. as millions of ukrainians settle into life across europe, an unsettling trend lingers beneath the surface. web searches for ukrainian refugee pouring -- porn surged in the first half of this year. regina, who asked us to use her first name only, is not surprised. she received an online offer of rent-free accommodation in exchange for housework and sex with the host. and says she feels the fear and discomfort of objectification in daily life. >> even in facebk, in normal communication with polish men, often, dialogue starts with some parts omy body, for example. or asking if i like to swim without clothes. and i think that only with
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ukrainian girls this situation can be because we are afraid of many things in this country. we don't know our rights. rosie: it was finding fair employment which proved tricky for tatiana. for months, she worked undocumented as a cleaner and had most of her wages withheld. with little in the way of local language skills, she felt especially exposed. >> week after week, month after month, i was waiting for payment, but they paid me just a small part of what i was owed. in the end it was all empty promises. the company thinks that they can fool us because we are ukrainians. rosie: we asked tatiana's former employer for comment but received no reply. the polish government, like the rest of the european union, offers all ukrainians fleeing war access to work and residence permits for up to three years. but despite its best efforts to protect refugees through one-off
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support payments, free hotlines and job-search support, a lack of local knowledge and language barriers can leave some slipping through the net. that's a global phenomenon. migrants are three times more likely to be trapped in exploitative working conditions. often hidden in sectors like agriculture, construction or manufacturing. in poland, thousands of manual jobs were once filled by ukrainian men who lived in the country but have now left to fight for their homeland. now, migrants from across the world are filling those jobs, finding themselves newly vulnerable to exploitation. eu home affairs commissioner ylva johansson is tasked with tackling trafficking and organised crime across the bloc. she has made it her mission to turn things around. >> we are looking into setting up a special expert group of prosecutors that are specialised into these specific crimes to have more people convicted. i'm also looking into whether we should strengthen the sanctions
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directive on how employers did their responsibility for employers to make sure they do not use or exploit people on the labor market. rosie: back in poland, ela hopes to offer refugees more than just a ride in future. she is busy building a shelter for up to 80 ukrainians near warsaw. >> this place is just dedicated to women and their children so they can have a safety bubble and be in it for a while. rosie: for now this aspiring sanctuary faces mounting costs and remains under construction. like the dreams of so many ukrainians who hoped they would never have to leave home behind at all. for the pbs newshour, i am rosie birch are -- rosie birchard.
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♪ judy: fans of taylor swift hoping to score tickets to her upcoming tour have met a confusing and chaotic system, prompting outrage from fans and lawmakers alike. john yang has more. >> ♪ now we've got bad blood ♪ ♪ john: a mega-tour by mega-star taylor swift is stirring up bad blood between the singer's fans and the company behind the show. back on tour for the first time in five years, swift is selling out stadiums across the country for her "eras" show. but that didn't make it easier for fans trying to score tickets. >> come on, we gotta go, 13 minutes. john: posting their experience online, hopeful swifties flooded ticketmaster for presale seats only to meet extensive wait times, steep fees, and glitches. the site itself froze more than once as the queue numbered in the thousands. >> we are talking $750 a ticket
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for down here. john: ticketmaster blamed historically unprecedented demand and urged patients. -- patience. but critics saw a different issue, the 2010 merger between ticketmaster and live nation, that combined venues, artist management and ticketing under a single, poweul company. last month, president biden promised to crack down on surprise charges for concert ticketand other purchases. pres. biden: they benefit big corporations, not consumers, not working families. and that changes now. john: and yesterday lawmakers including representative alexandria ocasio-cortez called for additional action. >> -- she wrote on twitter "ticketmaster is a monopoly. it's merger with with livenation should never have been approved. break them up. >> i did not get tickets to see taylor. john: heartbroken fans who found sold out shows on ticketmaster turned to resale sites and were
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outraged ain. >> tickets in the sections that i was trying to get tickets for are now on stubhub being resold for thousands of dollars. john: swifties aren't the first to face this problem. in 1994, even before the live nation merger, rock band pearl jam sued the justice department accusing ticketmaster of monopolizing ticket sales. the case was dismissed. this all follows the release of swift's 10th studio album "midnight." a tour spotlighting the prices and vices of the music industry. singles like "antihero" drawing attention to antitrust law. we reached out to ticketmaster for comment, but did not hear back in time for the broadcast. diana moss is president of the american antitrust instittute, which advocates for greater enforcement of antitrust laws. thank you for joining us.
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explain your argument, draw the line for us from your perspective from that live nation ticketmaster merger in 2010, to the experience th taylor swift fans were having this weekend. diana: thanks, john. absolutely. the merger is now 12 years old. that merger created an enormous monopoly, with a wingspan that covers everything from artist management to concert promotion, to venue management, to ticketing. when you put a firm together that has that kind of market power, the exercise of that market power, whether it be through threats to concert venues if they don't take ticketmaster as their platform, or whether it is high ticket fees to consumers, we are seeing all of that market power and the taylor swift incident, much like the springsteen incident, was symptomatic of how powerful this 800 pound gorilla is. john: ticketmaster points out the taylor swift tour is not
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being promoted by live nation. it is being promoted by a competitor. . what do you say to that? diana: think that is important to realize that taylor swift herself has a lot of market power. all we ever hear about are the big artists like the springsteen's and the swift's, close have a -- those artists have a lot of bargaining power. we should be more worried about the smaller artists, the smaller bands that don't have that bargaining power who have to deal with live nation ticketmaster. they don't have many choices in the marketplace. they are forced into this relationship, and suffer as a result of it. john: does that shape or warp the live content market industry and affect smaller groups? diana: i think it does. when we look at the harms from the monopoly that life mate - live nation ticketmaster has, we have to look at everything from the artist end of the spectrum,
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all the way through those smaller businesses that struggle to survive in artist management, concert promotion, the smaller venues, all the way down to the consumer end. i think when we take that big picture view, we see how harmful the lack of competition is in this place. that affects innovation in the music industry, and it also affects innovation in consumer facing markets. for example, this experience with the crashing of the ticketmaster platform, if we had more competition, we would have multiple platforms duking it out in a competitive market to provide excellent quality of service to fans. john: what role do the resale sites like stubhub and ticketmaster have its own retail -- resale site, what role do they play? diana: the resale markets are really critically important. they give fans a chance who can't attend their events for whatever reason, to go resale --
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resell their tickets. other fans get their hands on tickets. it is a really efficient way for markets to work. what ticketmaster has done is leverage its monopoly. and market power into the resale markets. and they have very restricti policies that affect how well those resale markets work. for example, something called holdbacks, where they only release small amounts of tiets at a time, and prices spike when they go on sale. transferability of tickets is a problem. that restricts the ability of the secondary markets to function properly. ticketmaster's policies invade the resale morris -- resale market and affect competition. john: when the obama justice department approved this merger, they put restrictions on it, they said there was a consent decree that they had operated under. is there enough oversight to
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make sure they are not violating their agreement? diana: that is hard stuff to monitor. monitoring from the outside how a company is doing its business, whether they are violating the conditions is really difficult. when the justice department came in a couple yes ago and extended those ineffective conditions, that was a real failure of antitrust enforcement. what we need is stronger antitrust enforcement in the space to create the compass and that the murder -- that the merger wiped out. john: diana moss, thank you very much. diana: thank you. ♪ judy: for the first time in half a century, nasa is starting to make its way back to a moon landing. overnight, the artemis rocket was finally able to launch after prior delays, sending an unmanned capsule around the moon. an actual lunar landing won't
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happen before 2025. but this was a historic moment for the space agency. and at the same time, there are plenty of question about the path nasa has chosen to make this happen. miles o'brien reports. miles: nasa's most powerful rocket ever lit the night sky in florida. the space launch system lofted an orion spacecraft on an uncrewed test flight to orbit the moon. the rocket carries a long backstory of political, financial, technical and meteorological delays. nasa launch director charlie blackwell-thompson savored the success with her team at the kennedy space center. >> i want you to look around. look around at this team, and know that you have earned it. you have earned your place in the room, you have earned this moment, you have earned your place in history.
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miles: it is the artemisne mission. nasa's first foray in its encore campaign to send humans back to the lunar surface. this time the agency is promising more than flags and footprts. why is nasa going back to the moon? >> because we do not have the capability of going to mars. miles: that is former shuttle payload specialist, former florida senator and current nasa administrator bill nelson. >> what we're going to learn living and working on the moon is going to help us. miles: i met nelson at the cape in july. still inside the cavernous vehicle assembly building, the boeing built sls rocket was enveloped in a cocoon of scaffolding so technicians could work through their closeout checklists. >> what goes through your mind when you see this thing all stacked up in here? >> the enormity, the amount of energy that is contained in there.
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miles: as i toured the vab i thought about the saturn 5 moon rockets. this huge building was designed to house four of them at once. the sls is 15% more powerful than a saturn five. it literally and figuratively borrows from the apollo and space shuttle programs. its four main engines are modified shuttle leftovers. so too are the twin solid rocket boosters. and the fuel tank design also has strong shuttle lineage. >> sls does not push technology that was never part of its sales pitch. it was the opposite. it was because we are reusing shuttle parts, we are going to be able to do this sooner and for less money. miles: lori garver was nasa's deputy administrator from 2009 until 2013. in her newly released book "escaping gravity" she says
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boeing executives promised to deliver a moon rocket in five years for $6 billion. that was 2010. >> i don't believe these people thought it would be true, but they knew they could sell that to congress. miles: and who was buying what boeing was selling? none other than bill nelson, then chairman of the senate committee that oversees nasa. why has it taken so long? [4.2s] >> it wasn't a repeat of the stack of the space transportation system. in other words, the shuttle. the orion capsule had to have all kinds of new sophistication, not the old apollo stuff. so this is a brand-new rocket. and when you design a brand new rocket and build it, it's going to take time. and it did. miles: meanwhile the brand-new, much cheaper rockets keep emerging and launching from spacex at a much faster rate.
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the companhas its own moon and mars ambitions with its heavy lift rocket called starship. the stainless steel buck rogers style vehicle will be fully reusable. except for the orion capsule, nasa's new rocket is a completely expendable, single use system. nasa's inspector general estimates the artemis campaign will cost $93 billion between 2012 and 2025, $4.1 billion for a single launch. >> this isn't nasa's best foot forward. we are better than this. miles: what does sls prove if anything? >> i think sls will prove that we shouldn't be doing things in this way anymore. miles: it is already happening. nasa has contracted with spacex to build the landing craft - a modified starship take , two astronauts from lunar orbit to the surface of the moon on the third artemis mison. you have to wonder, is this the beginning of an era at some level, or is it the end of an
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era of a way of building rocket ships to space? [10.7s] -- ships to space? >> it's the beginning of a new era of both commercial and government joining up in a partnership. it will evolve. miles: of course, evolution implies a natural selection. nasa's big, gold-plated spaceship may finally be on course to the moon, but it also might be headed the way of the dinosaurs. for the pbs newshour, i am miles o'brien, still here on planet earth. ♪ judy: we have a news update. republicans have captured the majority in the u.s. house of representatives. the associated press has called california house district 27 for mike garcia. that gives republicans a 218
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seats needed for control of the house. a handful of races remain uncalled. and we close out this evening with some important news about the newshour family. as many of you know, i have decided to step away from anchoring the program at the end of the year. just today, we have announced two people who will be sitting at this anchor dust -- desk, two familiar faces, senior correspondence amna nawaz who has been filling in here a lot, and geoff bennett who anchors pbs news weekend. i am thrilled to be welcoming them tonight and to know this remarkable program is going to be anchored for years to come by you two. geoff: thank you, judy. thank you. i'm honored. i'm grateful. i'm humbled. but i'm really excited. i'm so excited to be partnering with amna nawaz in writing the next chapter of the newshour's history. the newshour is special, it is a news organization driven to a mission to cover the news as a
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public service. my chief goal starting in the new year will be to be a good and worthy custodian, a guardian of that mission, of that charge. have to extd my deep gratitude to sharon rockefeller, the president and ceo of w eta, sarah just, a tireless executive producer of this program, and my dear friend, aa nawaz. echo not asked for a better partner in this pursuit. in thank you, duty, for your leadership and friendship. judy: so glad about this announcement. amna: honored is an understatement. i have been so proud to be part of your team, part of this newshour family, and i'm thinking of all of the many people who are viewers never get to see but who you know are the heart and soul of what we do here at newshour. i'm thrilled. i'm beyond excited to do this alongside someone i admire as a journalist, and someone i adore as a person and have a partner like geoff in all of this. i'm so incredibly grateful.
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and grateful for the trust you have placed in us, sarah, sharon, and all of our leaders have placed in us. and the trust the viewers put in us every night. this is the place they turn to to hear stories that matter, to get news and information they can trust, to have people in position and power held to account. all of that will remain the same. the faces at the desk may change, but the mission is the same. judy: i have been telling people today that the two of you have the newshour dna spread throughout you. we could not be more excited. everybody on the newshour team is so excited about this, and i'm right at the top. we welcome you. starting in january. there they are. on the and geoff. that is the newshour tonight. i'm judy woodruff. join us online and again here tomorrow evening. for all of us at the pbs newshour, thank you, please stay safe and we'll see you soon. >> major funding for the pbs newshour has been provided by -- >> for 25 years, consumer cellular's goal has been to provide wireless service that
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