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death, death, horrible death. >> i could bet you these three gentlemen would hear it. >> described to me the ambush, the video, a new tactic. foreign leaders are starting to see how the game is played. >> policy in south africa is land is paid for by a principal by a willing sale and there are no land bribes happening in south africa. ♪ ben: it was another clash with another foreign leader in the oval office as donald trump met the south african president in the white house. the issue of white south african
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farmers fleeing to the united states and claims of genocide by donald trump dominated the meeting. it led to an uncomfortable situation for the south african leader. we will play the exchange as it unfolded. israel says it has probably killed the leader of hamas as strikes continue across gaza. the united nations warns aid is still not getting to those who need it. we hear from a british doctor who just returned from gaza. coming up later i will be joined for the security brief as we take a detailed look at the disbanding of the resurgence he group, the pkk in turkiye. it was another pretty extraordinary meeting at the white house, depending on how you see things it was an example of open house democracy that donald trump enjoys or it was
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another oval office ambush. rather like that of the ukrainian president a few weeks ago. this time it was the south african leader, president ramaphosa, insisting that white farmers in south africa are the victims of genocide. suggesting -- a suggestion that has been widely discredited. a group of more than 50 white south african farmers arrived in the united states as refugees, welcomed in by the trump administration. today's meeting started off cordially enough but soon president trump told his staff to dim the lights and play a video to the south african leader which he said verified his claims about the killing of white farmers. here is some of that exchange starting with cyril ramaphosa talking about the matter with the u.s. president. president ramaphosa: it will
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take him listening to their stories, their perspective. that is the answer to your question. president trump: wait. we have thousands of stories. we have documentaries, we have news stories, is natalie here to turn that on? i could show you a couple of things. it has to be responded to. let me see the articles, turn the lights down and just put this on, it is right behind you. [video clip] >> we require no permission from you, the president, no one.
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[indiscernible video clip] president trump: this is very bad. these are burial sites right here. over 1000 white farmers and those cars are lined up to pay love on a sunday morning. it one of those white things you see is a cross. there is approximately 1000 of them.
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they are a family of white farmers. those guys are driving, they are stopped to pay respects to family members killed. it is a terrible sight. i have never seen anything like it. both sides of the road you have crosses. those people were all killed. president ramaphosa: have they told you where that is? i would like to know where that is. this i have never seen. president trump: it is in south africa. >> thank you very much. what would you like president ramaphosa to do about the
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situation that we have just seen on the screen? president trump: i don't know. these are articles over the last few days. death of people, death, death, death, horrible death. i don't know. white south africans are fleeing because of the violence, racist laws. when you said what would i like to do, white south african couples saying they were attacked violently. >> when will you go over and see for yourself? president trump: these are all white farmers being buried. president ramaphosa: we have a
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multiparty democracy in south africa that allows political parties, in many cases, those policies do not go along with government policy. it is completely against what he was saying, even in the parliament. it is allowed to exist. president trump: you do allow them to take land. president ramaphosa: nobody could take the land. president trump: they take the land and kill the white farmer. nothing happens to them. president ramaphosa: people who do get killed unfortunately through criminal activity, the
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majority are black people. president trump: the farmers are not black. the people being killed in large numbers and you saw all of those gravesites. those are people, i guess on sunday morning they told me to pay respect to the loved ones that were killed. they died violently. we are here to talk about it. i will say this, if the news wasn't fake like nbc, abc, nbc, cbs, if they weren't fake news like this jerk that we have here. if we had real reporters they would be covering it. the fake news doesn't talk about that. ben: just a flavor of that
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meeting in the oval office earlier on. we have heard from cyril ramaphosa saying his meeting with donald trump when very well -- went very well. our south african correspondent was following that meeting in the oval office as it was being broadcast live. she is in johannesburg and explains to us the background behind those claims from the trump administration that they are being persecuted and killed. told us more about what was being shown in that video in the oval office. >> we are looking at two separate clips. one from the opposition party who is known here in south african politics for his narratives around how the economy should be restructured to more favorably suit black south africans. they have not done enough to
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tilt the power balance. perhaps is the reason why his party is not in government party. former president jacob zuma went on after he was sent from the african national congress went on to perform a political party that did fairly well in the recent elections here. he does have a following. also a party that isn't part of the current government. those parties remain in opposition politics. the president going to great lengths in that interaction with president trump trying to say that each of the policies or views expressed in those clips are not a part of the policies followed by south africa. if anything the thing their party has advocated for was working together across racial lines. this would explain why you had a mixed delegation, not just of
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that africana political leader but also on the fringes of that who have amassed great wealth in south africa over the years. you continue to enjoy business success. you have heard a number of the south african delegation saying south africa has a crime problem, but doesn't really have a crime problem. that is anyway that countries like the u.s. could partner with intelligence, surveillance, infrastructure, that would do a great deal toward solving that crime problem. if you get stuck on a numbers game it becomes a difficult question. how do you say which lives matter more than which ones? being joined into that conversation, a number of south africans will want you to know that crime disproportionately still affects them.
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the willing seller that it will make an offer. sometimes it has been criticism that those prices have been inflated. it could be put to a different kind of use for the housing of majority of people that they would be willing to pay those costs. it is what security groups have repeatedly said. ben: that is our south africa correspondent with some important context in terms of those claims that president trump was making about the killing of white farmers in south africa. let's get to our correspondent in south africa, what we saw first with president zelenskyy and now with president ramaphosa a kind of roasting in the oval
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office. it is a new kind of politics. a new kind of diplomacy. reporter: i think anybody watching this scene happening today will be thinking back to that awful scene in february when president zelenskyy was in the oval office. the difference here is when that berating, altercation, verbal jousting was happening back then , it seems somewhat unplanned, that the people involved were getting heated was somewhat improvised. today it seemed mr. trump came to the office with the full understanding there will be this ambush on president ramaphosa on the tv screen. it dimmed the light and started playing this video. they knew they would be antagonizing and tried to catch the south african president in a difficult situation. what seemed like a very cordial meeting, it has quickly frozen
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over as the video was playing. i think mr. ramaphosa did a good job in the conversation, he remained very calm and gently pushed back. the bringing of the right delegation. mr. trump is someone who enjoys his golfing. he enjoys the renter -- winners. there were two champion golfers in the room, they gently pushed back on the narrative. i think his other ministers also brought up this very important point. the radical people who are featured in the video are not part of the government. it is considered friends with south african politics. mr. ramaphosa did a good job
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handling this unforeseen situation. ben: another extraordinary day in the white house. we will be discussing the oval office more in the coming hour. around the world and across the u.k. you are watching bbc, stay tuned. ♪
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ben: the latest from the middle east, the israeli prime minister, benjamin netanyahu, said israel has probably killed the hamas leader, muhammad sinwar. he reiterated his belief that all parts of gaza need to be under the control of israel. he said israel would be open to a temporary cease-fire and hostage exchange if the opportunity does arise. meanwhile, senior european leaders are demanding answers after the israeli army fired what it called warning shots on
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a diplomatic delegation after the group strayed from a previously agreed route in the occupied west bank. the delegation included representatives from several western countries, the eu's top diplomat said threatening the lives of diplomats were unacceptable. the israeli ambassadors in their capitals. it comes as the united kingdom has pledged an additional 4 million pounds in humanitarian aid for gaza. the day after it suspended trade talks with israel over its latest offensive in the gaza strip. dozens more people are being killed in israeli strikes in the last 24 hours. these pictures show the aftermath of one attack. meanwhile, the united nations says no aid has yet reached palestinians in gaza despite the fact that israel has said 100 trucks have entered gaza.
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the u.k. international development minister lucy chapman has been telling bbc israel has been using hunger as a weapon of war in gaza. she was speaking to our correspondent in the occupied west bank. >> we have all been watching with absolute horror what has been happening over months now. to see the plan which was around using hunger to force people to move into concentrated space. using it as a weapon i think has really made people see this for what it is, the international community, the u.k., canada, france, many nations have come forward and said we don't want anything to do with this, this is wrong. something we need to stop this. ben: we could speak now on that situation with an nhs nurse who recently spent time in gaza with the aiding organization, uk med.
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thank you for joining us. tell us about your experience there, where you were exactly and how long you were there? >> i got back about six weeks ago, i was therefore two months. it was just north of gaza. i was there last year as well for two months. ben: tell us what you saw, what you experienced, what you were doing? mel: this year was really different from last year. i was there when the cease-fire was in place. it was quite honestly very traumatic. ben: what kind of injuries are you seeing their? mel: explosive injuries and gunshot wounds mostly. ben: what are the levels of medical care available now? mel: it is really difficult.
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it is only partially functional. we received all of their patients. the medical facilities obviously have been devastated. ben: for doctors and nurses, there is very little to work with in terms of hospital equipment, facilities, medical care. mel: absolutely. during the cease-fire most ngos took the opportunity to stockpile as much supplies as they could. anyone who works in a hospital new how quickly these supplies are needed. it is really bad. ben: when you decide to go to gaza, that is a huge decision. it is incredibly dangerous.
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so many people losing their lives every day. what was it that made you decide you had to go and help? mel: somebody has to go. it is really daunting. this time when i was there i was absolutely terrified the people who live in gaza have to suffer a lot in the last 18 months. we all feel very strongly that we have to help. it is very daunting. it is very scary. ben: you are hearing presumably explosions all the time pretty close to where you are working. i'm trying to help people and save lives.
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mel: i experienced this and i could hear gunfire. ben: would you be prepared to go back? do you feel you want to go back? mel: absolutely. i need to do a little bit of work. you have to be mentally strong. we have work to do before i go back. ben: you are there as a medical professional. also as a human being who cares. how hard is it for you to see the suffering there particularly of young children? mel: it's undescribable and very traumatic. it is an experience i will never forget. ben: you think that when you are
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there, you are able to help. yes it is daunting and terrifying. you are able to help people despite the shortage of medical supplies to help people save lives? mel: of course, absolutely. i'm proud of the work we are doing out there. we have two field hospitals. we have worked really well with the national staff. ben: other age groups are also there. do you feel other countries are doing enough to help the people of gaza? mel: people care. people all over the world care. the people in gaza know that. they see people from all different countries. the people know that we care.
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as for other countries and what we could be doing, i just hope we could do enough for it to stop. ben: very grateful for you talking to us. let alone to be out there helping people in gaza. thank you so much. spent quite a lot of time in gaza with the aid organization, thank you. ben: we have confirmed the u.k. government wants to make more pensioners eligible for winter fuel payments. almost a year after the benefit around 9 million people. the government's decision to make the benefit means tested is a steady stream of criticism for some voters and fellow labor party politicians. the onset of local election results in england and wales last month.
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the cuts have been necessary to stabilize the economy and they said many are still feeling the cost-of-living pressures. >> i recognize people still feeling the pressure with the cost-of-living prices including pensioners. we want to make sure people feel those improvements in their days as lives go forward. we want to ensure that as we go forward more pensioners are eligible. as you would expect, you could only make decisions we could afford. that's why we will look at announcer: funding for presentation of this program is provided by... financial services firm, raymond james. funding was also provided by, the freeman foundation, the judy and peter blum kovler foundation,
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