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contender, mississippi governor haley barbour. ryan and barbour, only on "fox news sunday." plus, president mubarak steps down as president of egypt. we'll have a live report from cairo and we will ask our sunday panel what it means for u.s. foreign policy. and power player of the week provides a home for sick chin children and their families all right now on "fox news sunday." hello again from fox news in washington. we'll talk with our guests shortly. first the latest on the situation in get. military leaders say they are committed to handing over authority to a selected government. they also say the peace treaty with israel will be honored and protest demonstrators announced their demonstrations will end.
leland is live in cairo. leland? >> reporter: this morning the army issued a couple of statements that is searchly news to the protesters and -- certainly news to the protesters and news they wanted. they us suspended the constitution. the prime minister said that security is the number one concern that they have and to that end the army began clearing out protesters from tahrir scare and made a way for cars to get through so traffic could once again return here. there are some diehard protesters who say they are not leaving but also protesters who are coming back in asking that they leave so things can return to normal here. of course, it will be a long road to recovery economically. some people said it will take months to get the tourists back here. this is sunday the first day of the workweek and some businesses open. there were customers inside one of the pharmacies we were in. things are beginning to get back to normal. also clearers on the streets trying to fix things up.
there is still a huge army presentation here on day two of the new egypt on the street. number of tanks and armored personnel carriers and heavily armored soldiers. the soldiers and army promised there will be free and fair elections. the question is where and how. this is a country that for 30 years never resembled anything like a free and fair election. there has to be political leaders build and parties and an infrastructure to actually have an election. >> chris: leland, thanks for the update. more on this with our panel in a few minutes. house republicans unveiled proposed spending cuts and president obama is expected to do the same monday. joining us, the gop point man in the debate, house budget committee chairman paul ryan who comes to us from his home state of wisconsin. president obama presents his budget for 2012 tomorrow and he reportedly is going to offer a
plan that would cut the deficit his aides said by $1 trillion over the next decade. the key feature is a five year freeze on spending and some considerable tax increases on the wealthy. from what you have heard, what do you think of the president's plan? >> it sounds like the similar budgets that he has been giving us the last couple of years. last year he gave us a $2 trillion tax increase and got $700 billion of those tax increases mostly through the healthcare law. looks like he is coming back for another $1.3 trillion tax increases. this discretionary freeze is off of an extremely high base. they just blew spending out the gates in the last two years. a 24% increase in domestic discretionary spending. throw stimulus on top and that is an 84% increase and he wants to freeze for a few years of the high levels it is less than 1% of spending the next ten years. we'll see the details of the budget tomorrow but looks like to me but it is going to be very small on spending discipline and a lot of new spending so called investments.
the president is elected to lead and to face the country's biggest challenges. the country's biggest challenge domestically speaking is a debt crisis and i'm hoping that he is going to give us a budget that tackles this debt crisis and if it is what the early press reports show it shows that he is advocating leadership. i'm hoping that we can get this debt going down. looks like it will continue rising under that budget. >> if it is as it has been reported, is this budget which has some spending increases for infrastructure and education and research is this budget, the president's budget dead on arrival? >> well, look, i don't like to say that until i actually see the budget. so, i wish i could give you a clean clear answer. again, i want to look at the actual budget. we will get this tomorrow and pour through it line by line very quickly. we normally analyze these things quickly and then we will
give you an answer to that tomorrow. if he is talking about coming and having new spending, so called investments, that is not where we are going. the great debate in congress now which is refreshing is we are debating how much to cut spending not how much to increase spending. the early test reports are showing us he wants savings on the one hand and a lot of new spending on the other hand. borrowing and spending is not the way to prosperity. today's deficits means tomorrow's tax increases and this costs jobs. the borrowing and spending didn't work on the stimulus and it cost us jobs. we need to cut spending to get taxes and interest rates low so businesses can plan and hire people. >> chris: a number of business leaders including the head of the chamber of commerce say that the economy needs some not a net but some new investments. he talks particularly about infrastructure to create jobs. there are a number of independent econ mists that say if you have too many cuts too quickly when the economy is so weak that that is going to hurt
the recovery. let me ask you specifically and we will get to the details of your budget in a minute. how do all of these spending cuts create jobs in the short-term, in the next year? >> ben bernanke came to our committee a few days ago and said if you guys put in place a real plan to get the deficit under control that will help the economy now. that sends the sickals to the markets and the small businessmen and women of america that my taxes aren't going to have to pay for the borrowing and interest rates are going to be low. getting spending under control today gives confidence for tomorrow and leads to more hiring and job creation. i'm not worried about washington cutting too much spending too past. right now, $100 billion out of a $3.7 trillion budget. i'm concerned about endless borrowing which is going to compromise the economy not only today but in the future. we know the decisions we make right now dramatically impact
us in the future and the debt is getting out of control. and if we bring a budget that continues to send the debt out of control that today helps the economy. spending cuts yes in fact help us with jobs today. >> chris: the president is going to be offering a budget for the next budget year that starts in october, 2012. >> right. >> chris: this week you guys are the house republicans are going to offer cuts in the current budget the 2011 fiscal budget for the next 7 months still left in it. you originally of the house budget chairman proposed roughly $30 billion in cuts from 2010 spending and under pressure from the house, tea party members, the freshmen, the young guns, that was doubled to 20 -- to about a $60 billion. do any of these cuts double what you originally proposed, do any of them go too far? >> no. look, how great is this debate we are having in congress? >> a year ago congress was debating about how much more spending to increase and now we are debating about how much
more spending to cut. when i put the number out there that was the pledge that said we will bring spending down to '08 levels for the rest of the fiscal year. our members wanted to go back and give those savings. they wanted to get a year's worth of savings for the rest of the fiscal year. i think it is a great debate to be having and showing that we are serious about fiscal discipline and shows that we are serious about fiscal discipline that will help the economy today and tell businesses we are serious about getting the debt and deficit under control so they don't have to panic and worry about tomorrow's interest rates. >> chris: let's get specific because the democrats say it is very easy to talk about a big number and easy to talk about a percentage but let's get into some specific programs and what house republicans are going to be offering this week. look at the cuts. $3 billion from the environmental protection agency. $2 billion in the middle of a recession from job training.
$600 million from border security and immigration enforcement. $1.6 billion from the national institutes of health and $500 million from the cops program which puts more police on the streets. congressman, when it gets down to those specifics are you willing to defend all of those cuts? >> yes, because last year these agencies got double and triple digit spending increases throw the stimulus in there, epa got a triple digit spending increase. if borrowing and spending were the way to create jobs we would be at full employment. we are not. last year the government had $1.4 trillion leftover money we call that unobligated spending. we don't know how much more. they have thrown so much money at the bureaucracies that in a full fiscal year they can't even spend all of the money. a fancy way of saying they can't even spend all of the money. we anticipate the same thing again. we cannot continue down this path of having double and
triple digit spending increases on government agencies. no matter how popular sounding the programs are they mortgage our children's future and compromise our economic growth today. we just don't buy into the belief that you have to borrow and spend money today to try and create jobs. we have to have jobs in the private sector grow, not jobs in the public sector. every time we borrow more money from the chinese or whoever, we are taking money out of the private sector which is costing us jobs. we want to put the brakes on spending in washington. i'm excited about the new culture which is ceilings on spending and we want to debate how much we should bring spending down and that is a good debate to have. >> chris: everything that we talked about congressman is nondefense discretionary spending which is a small piece of the total pie. only 15% of the total federal budget. >> that's right. >> chris: and if you really want to get where the money is,
you have to talk about entitlements, social security and medicare and medicaid. >> that's right. >> chris: which is 40% of the federal budget. can you pledge right now that you will address those issues and make serious cuts in them in the 2012 budget starting next october? >> well, you're right about that. right now we are dealing with just discretionary for the rest of the fiscal year and fy 12 we do is those things. we have 87 new people and i want to hear the perspective of the new members because they come from great and diverse back grounds from around the country. so we will be going forward in consensus. we can't even start writing a budget until march when we get the baseline from ceo. if the president's budget ignores those programs you are talking about that means he a advocating leadership on dealing with the crisis. >> chris: you guys are doing it, too. >> we haven't even written the
budget yet or been able to write a budget yet. every time i brought budgets to the floor the last couple of years we have been dealing with those programs and talking about reforming those programs. the president not only didn't deal with the programs which are the drivers of the debt. he didn't even embrace the fiscal commission. >> chris: you were on the fiscal commission and you voted against it yourself. >> i did. and i proposed alternatives. the reason, because it didn't deal with the driver which is healthcare spending. we proposed real significant healthcare entitlement reform. it was not accepted by the fiscal commission. >> chris: here is the thing -- >> what i'm trying to say is. >> chris: ifky ask a question and you can answer it during the course of this. let's face it there is a certain game going on here. the white house is scared to go first on entitlements because they say that the republicans will demagogue them and the republicans are scared to go first on entitlements because
they think the democrat letts demagogue them. where are we going to get progress on entitlements? >> two things, number one, presidents are elected to lead, not to punt. this president has been punting. i sincerely hopes that he leads with the budget tomorrow. i can't tell you what the budget will look like yet because i don't have a baseline with which to write one yet. we haven't even gotten consensus in the caucus yet. the kinds of things i'm proposing i have consistently brought budgets to the floor that does address the drivers of our deficit and debt which is the epititlements. so we expect and hope the president will actually lead on this debt crisis and preempt it. everybody knows the sooner you deal with this the better off everybody is and if the president doesn't want to lead on entitlements then he is not leading and we do hope and plan on viewing these issues but i cannot tell you exactly what we are going to do and how we are.
>> ing to do it because we haven't been able to reach consensus with each other because we don't even have a baseline with which to write a budget yet. that comes in april. >> chris: a little more than a minute left. i want to talk because there is a deadline here sunday that is the continuing resolution runs out on march 4. some say it is not only good to have the steeper cuts but you are getting further away with a possible deal with the democrats and the white house when you have the super cuts and making it easier for them to say no. that is the contention. the question of have is what happens when a continuing resolution runs out if there is no deal on march 4 and would you accept a short continuing resolution to keep the government running while you try to work out a deal? >> i think that is a very viable possibility. our short-term extensions while we work on a compromise. we are not interested in rubber stamping big government. we are not interested in accepting these extremely high levels of spending.
we are serious about spending that is the driver of our deficit and debt. we want to get spending down. we are going to let an open process, unlike the way nancy pelosi ran congress the last four years. any member of congress can bring any item to the floor to adjust spending levels, if they want to add or take away spending. we will let congress work its will and congress right now wants to bring spending down below where president obama wants to take it and we are going to have to negotiate. >> chris: we have to leave this there. congressman ryan, thank you so much for coming in and joining us today. should be a big week on capitol hill and we will stay on top of it, sir. >> thanks, chris. >> chris: up next, governor haley barbour on 2012 politics and a possible run of his own. [ male announcer how can rice production in india,
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>> chris: most potential 2012 republican presidential hopefuls came to washington this weekend to address a gathering of conservative activists. and one of the contenders is mississippi governor haley barbour. welcome back to "fox news sunday." >> thanks for having me back. >> chris: you said last year you are the governor of a poor state and you have a disti. in ctdrawl and some people you said would congress that a trigger to not run. >> there would be advocating to
the congress and lobbying our allies and our adversaries overseas. there willle be asking the business community and labor unions. that is what presidents do for a living. presidents try to sell what is good for america to others in the the world as well as to americans. ronald reagan was the ultimate lobby wrist, the great communicator. >> chris: cpac, the conservative political action conference did a straw poll and we want to put up the results. ron paul 30% and mitt romney 23%. everybody else was in single digits and way back quite frankly in last place was haley barbour at 1%. i want to get your reaction to that and for what for lack of a better term frontrunners at this point. romney, huckabee, palin,
gingrich. >> you notice that sarah palin got 3% and mike huckabee got 2% because they weren't there. >> chris: you were there. >> but the straw poll was taken before i spoke. they shut down the straw poll on friday. i spoke saturday. and so i was in the position of palin and huckabee. i didn't for the purposes of the straw poll i didn't get to speak which is fine. they got to have rules and that is fine with me. i enjoyed getting to speak to that audience. an audience of a lot of young people some of whom came up to me and said gee, i tried to vote for you today but they told us we couldn't vote any more. >> chris: what about the frontrunners, palin, huckabee, romney, gingrich. what do you offer that they don't? >> they are all good friends of mine. i have a record as governor. i have a record of cutting spending. i talked yesterday not only about we ought to cut spending. i talked about how we have cut spending in mississippi and how if you did the same things in the federal government you
would save tens of billions of dollars a year. i talked about how we would cut the biggest entitlement program in mississippi and the way that the people on medicaid haven't been hurt. we squeezed out of the system through management and making sure that everybody who is on medicaid is actually eligible. we have saved in medicaid hundreds of millions of dollars over the course of my time as governor. i would say hundreds of billions of dollars -- that would be hundreds of billions of dollars if you applied the same reforms to the federal government. >> chris: i'm going to follow up on the question your record as governor. you say you cut spending by hundreds of millions of dollars and that you balanced the budget without raising taxes. but the kato institute, certainly a conservative group gives you only a c on its fiscal scorecard saying haley barbour's tax and spending record over 7 years as governor has not been very conservative. they say you have rein stated a
tax on hospitals, increased taxes on cigarettes 50 cents a pack and spending rose 43% dug your first term. >> chris, what they said was mistakenly that i created a new tax on hospitals. then they found out -- >> chris: but you did rein state it. >> then they found out that that was wrong and they said i created this tax on hospitals. of course, tax on hospitals existed while i was there. it existed when i became governor. the federal government -- >> chris: but you did reinstate it. >> reporter: the federal government changed the way we were collecting it. they said y'all have got to collect this a different way. we did reinstate it after four years. the hospitals got a $360 million tax cut during the four years and then instead of it being a $90 million tax it is a $60 million tax. but the institute wrote
initially and told my staff we thought this was a new tax we didn't know it was a tax that existed since 1990. >> chris: but the cigarette tax and the fact that spending increased 43% in your first term. >> when i became governor spending increased 28% my first term. revenue increased 42% my first term without raising anybody's taxes. we did it because we had more taxpayers or more taxable income. that is how you get the revenue up. we did that without raising anybody's taxes. revenue increased 50% faster than spending increased. spending went up 28. revenue up 42. that is a 50% difference without raising taxes. i did my second term raise the cigarette tax. i had said when i ran the first time we are not raising a bunch of taxes. when i ran for reelection i
said we are going to consider raising the cigarette tax. we had the second lowest seg rest tax in the country. we didn't raise it to raise revenues because raising taxes is enemy of controlling spending. we raised it because our cigarette tax was too low. we were out of line with the rest of the south. we rai raised it to 60 cents ad did it for health reasons, not budget reasons. >> chris: i want to get back to the question of a lobbyist. it is clearly if you do run something you have to deal with. you say well, any president is a lobbyist. but it has a kind of bad connotation and kind of a dirty word for a lot of people out there because i think that means you are part of an inside game here in the corridors of power. as we mentioned and you were one of washington's biggest most successful lobbyists for more than a decade. not only did your company represent more than 50 major u.s. corporations it has also done work over the years for
the governments of kazakhstan and which quite frankly both have terrible human rights records. >> not while i was there and once i left the firm rather than getting paid my retirement i don't have anything to do with what they do. i can tell you what we did when i was there. we represented switzerland. we represented macedonia because the clinton administration asked us to because of what was going on in the the balkins. i'm perfectly glad to look at the clients that i worked with when i was there. let me make this very plain. i'm lobbyist, a politician and a lawyer. that is the trifecta. and i'm willing to have my record in front of everybody. i don't intend to be responsible for what other people did that i have no control over, which is not to criticize them, it is just i have got no way of defending or
criticizing the things that i wasn't involved in. >> chris: finally, there was as you well know a dustup involving you, a profile of you in the weekly standard in december when you talke talkedt growing up in the south during the civil rights movement you said i just don't remember it as being that bad. you said you went to martin luther king speak one day. we sat in the cars watching the girls talking doing what boys do and we paid more attention to the girls than the king. question, any regrets about those comments? >> just the truth. i was asked about my childhood. my daddy died when i was two years old. my mother raised my two older brothers and me and we couldn't have had a better situation. i mean she was -- ran the concession stand at the little league. she was the first woman president of the booster club for the high school football team. and so i had a wonderful childhood. and that is the truth.
as far as the deal about what martin luther king was passing through and stopped at the fairgrounds to speak. i was in high school and a few car loads of us and boys and girls went out and sat on our cars on the street while we couldn't even hear very well. but, i was interested in seeing what was going on. it wasn't any big major event. it was -- >> chris: but people i saying you are insensitive or were insensitive. >> look at my record. yoyou know, we can talk about y childhood if people think that is a requirement for running for president of the united states which i may do. but if you look at my record and you look at the fact that after i was elected we have had more minority business contracts, we have more african american elected officials in mississippi than anywhere in the country, i have had
outstanding of a condition outstanding african american administration. minute vision, >> chris: how searous are you about running? >> i'm not going to make a decision but i'm serious about it. i understand working campaigns and chairman of our parties, i understand this is a decision to dedicate the productive remaining productive years of my life, the next ten years to the most consuming job in the world and it is a ten year commitment because if you win it is a ten year commitment. i take that very seriously. i'm not somebody who has wanted to run for president all of my life. but right now i think the country is in such strokes we got to have a huge change. >> chris: governor barbour, thank you for coming in today and we will all be watching as the republican presidential race heats up. thank you, sir. >> thank you, sir.
not terrorism. not mindless killing but nonviolence. moral force that bent the arc of history toward justice once more. >> chris: the celebration in the streets of cairo as hosni mubarak steps down and president obama trying to point out the right path to change in the middle east. and it is time for our sunday group. bill kristol of the weekly stan tard. nina easton from fortune magazine. former state department official liz cheney and fox news political analyst juan williams. i think it is fair to say in the first hours after fall of mubarak everyone saying the right thing. the government says it is going turn over power to a democratically elected government and they are going to honor the peace treaty with israel and the demonstrators say are theying going to go home. i bill, how confident are you that this is going to work out? >> confident with be an
overstatement. it is the middle east so you have to be foolish to be confident that everything would work out too well and revolutions do go off the rail injuries basically for the last three or four weeks the skeptics have proven to be too skeptical. the naysayers saying his departure would mean the muslim brotherhood taking over the next day, they have been prove ton be wrong and the notion that the egyptian people have managed to pull off this democratic peaceful removal of a dictator and now have what seems a stable situation in the streets of cairo and the other big cities with the guarantee or promise to fair elections and no real sense that the elections are -- yet that the elections are going to go in some terrible direction for the u.s. or for egypt itself. it may be a case that the normal worldly pessimism is too pessimistic and the normal
cynicism is too critical. >> everybody wanted to compare are this to 1979 and iran. but the base of this was not turbined ayatollahs. the face of this with a 30-year-old executive from google. young guy. i think in the weeks leading up to this, the way is very clear now and that is to hold the military's feet to the fire and make sure there are elections and make sure the emergency decree is listed. the military is key here. it is something that touches everybody's lives in egypt. somebody from every family served in it or is an officer. but it also controls 10% to 15% of the economy. it is entrenched in the economy and has its own interests, it
has to be watched. >> chris: i will be the professional worry wart on this panel. liz, you worked on egypt for are, what, 20 years at the world bank and then at the state department. how worried should we be about the muslim brotherhood and the possibility that they or some other islamist radical force fills the political vacuum? i talked to a senior white house official yesterday that said that he feels that support for the muslim brotherhood is declining in egypt? >> i think the muslim brotherhood is a concerning organization. i think that jim crawford clearly got it wrong. >> chris: in what he said. >> the director of national intelligence who said he was a secular organization and his temperature later clarified. nothing could be further from the truth. they are concerning. they are not democratic and we need to be clear about the fact that they don't uphold basic human rights and equality for women and minorities. i think that what happened on
the streets of cairo is magnificent and has been tremendously moving to watch. the muslim brotherhood has not been at the forefront of what happened. it has been young people and a new generation who said our parents may have been willing to live this way but we arent. i spoke last night with a friend of mine who had been in the square and he said we used to in the evenings go to restaurants and figure out how to relax after work. now, we stay up until 3:00 or 4:00 in the morning thinking about what our constitution should say and how can we guarantee our freedoms we have won. i think it has been an amazing model and lesson for the world. we in the united states out to do what we can to help but with humility here. let the egyptian people accomplish what they accomplished on their own. they ought to be support. >> chris: i want to go back to the president's statement that we played at the beginning of the statement where he said that nonviolence, peaceful protest, not terrorism was the
right path for change. obviously in egypt and i think the implied message was in the peet. middle east. given what happened in egypt and tunisia how effective a message is that to the young angry unemployed disenfranchised element of the street? >> i think there is real change that has taken place here and it is a compelling alternative to al-qaeda's model that requires terrorism and embraces violence. you know, it is not in my nature that -- give my hat to liz cheney. >> that should happen more often. >> liz cheney had been prodemocracy all along. >> thank you, juan. >> they tried to help mubarak when was winning those elections last year and i think that has been a message that change was necessary and i think young people did respond. i mean it is funny to me to
think that a third of the population there is under the age of 15. >> chris: and that is not unusual in the middle east. >> and you said something also. combine the two factors. some young people and so many unemployed people, especially young men uneducated of thinking change. we have seen tunisia and what is taking place in egypt. there is already pressure in jordan. we see this building and the question is whether or not there is a domino effect. does t in fact continue or does the military which is under tremendous pressure, you know, does the military give in to the idea that they hold on to some of mubarak's forces their government right there and delay the free and fair elections. change has come in terms of no mubarak son running for election and no omar suleiman running for selection. how quickly do we see the changes or see people forced back into tha tahrir square.
>> chris: it was interesting to see the obama administration try to use these events to put pressure on the mull las in iran. here is vice president cheney on friday. >> i would say that our iranian friends let your people march. let your people speak. release your people from jail. let them have a voice. >> chris: well, obviously that wasn't dick cheney, that was joe biden but we have cheney on our mind. can the white house reignite the political opposition in iran that it did so little to support in 2009? >> i hope so. i think the proposition will have to reunite itself. there is the proposition there and they tried to call for a demonstration tomorrow which the iranian government is trying to suppress. it is striking that the administration will not say it made a mistake but i think they now understand they made a
terrible mistake in gy june of 2009 in not supporting the iranians in the streets of tehran. they put on a statement saturday afternoon calling on the iranian government which hailed the demonstrations in egypt to allow its own people to demonstrate similarly for freedom and democracy. that is a good sign and i really hope that june of 2009 is not a once in a generation event and that that can be made and history would suggest that. there has been plenty of time there's is a democratic poland and then is reemerges. i think that would be an unbelievable stride if the future could be followed by iran. >> chris: when we come back, republicans learn the hard way, holding the majority doesn't mean everything goes your way.
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we have been in the majority four weeks. we are not going to be perfect every day. >> reporter: speaker john boehner offering up an excuse of sorts for why the house under republican rule is not going according to plan. and we are back now with the panel. well, nina, it was a rocky week for the new republican majority. we will get to some other aspects but as we discussed with paul ryan, the house leadership came up with a plan for $30 billion in cuts and the tea party, the freshmen more conservative members said no, no, that is not nearly enough and came back with $60 billion. good or bad? >> the most difficult point is down the road, it is not this week. yes, they stumbled on the patriot act and these budget cuts but the real question for the republican leadership down the road is are you going to compromise with the senate and with the obama administration on cuts. we keep forgetting we focus on the house republicans.
they are one of three players in this and they can -- they can certainly vote for these reductions and say to their constituents, look, we voted for the largest reduction in discretionary spending in history. that's great. that's fine. you can take that home. what happens when you have a compromised budget that comes back to the house and you have to vote on that. that ithat is the key vote andt is where you will see the difficult divisions emerge between house leadership and the tea party. >> i'm going to pick up exactly on that point, liz. some house republicans said the original set of cuts was the basis for a compromise, $30 billion which would be a steep cut and that the steeper cuts make it easier for democrats in the senate and the white house to say no and paint the republicans as extremists. you reaction? >> i think that the appetite of the american people right now is for spending cuts and so i think that nina is right in the sense that the house republicans are going to, you know, pass this legislation that in fact will have the deep
are cuts in it and then the ball is very much going to be in harry reid's court and in barack obama's court to see how they manage to come to agreement on this and whether in fact they are willing to make the cuts. i also think it is important to pick up on something that paul ryan said which is some of what you are seeing here in the house is a new style of leadership and a new style of management. gone are the days of the nancy pelosi speakership when she was saying things like we'll pass the bill and then you will get to know what is in it. john boehner is somebody who is committed to transparency and somebody who has restored authority to the key committees. they are not writing legislation now in the leadership offices and i think that is a very positive outcome. and i think what they have demonstrated is that the republican controlled house of representatives is in fact listening to and implementing the will of the people who elected them. >> chris: there are some downsides to that as well. we saw that this week the house republican leadership brought two measures to the floor
injuries one to extend provisions of the patriot act and the other to demand a refund from the united nations. they were so confident of these that they put it on the fast track and they lost on both of them because some republicans jumped ship. how embarrassing and that was what we saw john boehner respond to at the beginning of the seth. segment. >> this is the power of the tea party that has come back to buy the the republican leadership. it is now more evident than ever as the republican leadership in the majority tries to actually govern. it is interesting the tea party 87shmen, i think there are 876 of them said we were never even asked. no one asked us where we were going to vote. the leadership is taking thicks for granted and they got hurt on this. there is a civil war going on right now and it is becoming apparent.
looks to me like they are setting up barack obama's reelection. they are positioning themselves as extremists. they want to cut things like head start, policemen on the street. funding for scientific research in america. people look at this and say yes, we are concerned about the deficit but we don't want to kill jobs, kill the economy, republicans, why would they be doing this? even the chamber of commerce doesn't want this. >> i think that is what the republican members will hear when they go back. they vote this week and presume they will pass the deep cuts and then they will go home. i think what juan says shouldn't be dismissed out of hand. the white house is going to say the next week that do you realize that your republican representative voted to cut x numbers jobs from your police force and x number of jobs from your public library and x number of emergency responders and ask your republican congressman about this at a town hall meeting. interesting to see whether the
new members or old members, too, can answer those questions or at least see what public opinion is. and i do think it is worth thing about this is a two year process, not a one month process. my main concern about what happened in the last week is they can make big cuts and big changes but a they can't make the wall in one month and they shouldn't look as if they tried to ram stuff through without due contribution and without building support for that. >> chris: do you think that they have gone too far? >> i would have accepted paul ryan's initial budget which i think had serious cuts. i don't think they have gone too far. i think they need to understand they can't just -- there is a lot of support for big cuts but they need to continue making the case for that and they need to follow-up with entitlement cuts. having a big fight in the party about how far to go in entitlements. i think it will look ridiculous to cut the domestic
discretionary spending but then say on over half the budget -- >> they need to make a consistent case for why we need to relimit government. they can't assume because they won one election everyone will be with them for the the next two years. >> the american people know what is true what paul ryan said is that we tried barack obama's model here now with the stimulus spending and if additional government spending was what it took to create jobs then we would be at full employment. we are not. i think there is a response to what bill said but -- >> chris: i think that is an easier argument for republicans to make and to win but when somebody asks them cutting, you know, a billion dollars out of the national institutes of health or $500 million -- >> the bottom line is we are in big trouble. we have a debt that is completely unsustainable that is not just an economic concern. just like people in their own households at home we have got to make cuts. >> the big items are social security, medicare, not the
small domestic programs. >> try to take that to town halls. cutting social security and cutting the cost of living on social security and paul ryan's plan to trim medicare into vouchers. that will be a political uphill battle. >> and talked about a two year process. government shuts down march 4. that is going to hurt republicans. >> chris: my guess is that it won't should down much. thank you, panel. see you next week. check out panel plus where your group here will pick right up with this discussion on our website foxnewssunday.com. time for comments you posted to our blog, wallace watch and most commented about the broadcast last week from the super bowl. allen lions especially liked our special panel of fox sports analysts. the segments were amazing. quite a change of pace from the usual political round table. i laughed until my sides hurt.
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only do so much. >> kathy russell is head of the children's inn at the national institutes of health. since it opened in 1,990,000s of families have stayed here while their kids go through nih research programs. >> a home away from home. >> the idea is to keep families together as they go through what is likely to be the most serious crisis of their familiar's lives. >> the inn provides rooms for families as long as they need them from a few days to even a year. there are play rooms and a therapy dog to play with and a full-time teacher to help kids keep up with their school work. and the inn has an emergency fund for families whose finances have been drained by their child's illness. >> often we find that families need help with groceries or clothing or rent. it is not unusual for us to pay a mortgage payment to help a family get from one month to the other.
>> what do families have to pay? >> families don't pay anything to stay at the inn. >> no matter how long they stay? >> all free of charge. >> chris: what is more remarkable, while the inn sits on government property it was built and financed by private institutions. the purpose of the inn is to let kids be kids. like rachel a 19-year-old from louisiana who has a severe immune deficiency and has been coming here with her mom every six to eight weeks for more man than a decade. >> there is always a smile on her face when we go through the doors. >> when rachel wanted to go home for a high school dance the inn got her hair done and bought her a dress. >> i was well enough actually to go to a dance and well enough to actually have experiences. >> it touched my heart because that family -- >> while cathy russell runs the
place, she often plays with the kids herself. >> these are remarkable little people who have wisdom beyond their years by virtue of their experience. ♪ >> chris: and as the folks at the inn help them, they know scientists at nih i are trying to come up with cures to help other children with the same disease. >> these are hard diseases, be cancer, blood disorders, anemia, genetic diseases in children are very challenging and having the availability of the inn makes it easier for these kids to participate in these programs and answer questions that are important for generations to come. >> chris: what a wonderful place. and children's inn has built another house to handle more families with children with less acute illnesses but still need regular treatment. and that is it for today. have a great week. we'll see you next "fox news captioned by closed captioning services, inc.