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i'm chris wallace. the house passes a budget bill but tied it to obama care forcing the government to shut down in just eight days. >> our message to the united states senate is simple. the american people don't want the government shut down and they don't want obama care. >> obama care is dead. >> right a the the center of the debate is republican senator ted cruz who is threatening a filibuster. >> i will do anything else and
possible to defeat obama care. >> he joins us live. secretary of state calls on the u.s. to act. >> this fight about syria's chemical weapons is not a game. it's real, it's important. >> we'll discuss what happens next with charles. we'll talk with claire mccaskill who is leading the charge, and our power player of the week, ivanka trump. >> i represent the feminine voice of a masculine brand. >> all right now on fox news
sunday. >> hello, again. the clock is ticking. the government shuts down in just eight days unless congress agrees on a bill to fund federal agencies. on friday the house passed a bill to keep the government going until mid december but they also cut off funding for obama care, and harry reid said that is dead in the senate. ted cruz is leading the drive, welcome back to "fox news sunday." >> thank you, chris, good to be here today. >> we just played a clip where you say you will do everything you can to block it with a filibuster, but the problem is you will be blocking a bill you support. so how are you going to get other remember senators on board to block a bill you support.
>> let's be clear. last week's vote was a tremendous victory. a few weeks ago no pundit thought it was possible. they voted to defund obama care, and next year as you know the fight moves to the senate. and i think next week is a time for party immunity. all senate republicans i think should come together and support the house bill. they should stop harry reid from changing the house bill and for inserting the funding with 51 votes. that will be the fight whether he can use a straight party line vote -- and senate republicans, if they stand together, we can stop harry reid. >> are you going to block consideration of the bill?
will you allow consideration of the bill? you can filibuster that. if you lose that, then a simple majority could take out obama care. so are you going to have a consideration of the bill, a vote up or down, or let them vote to block a bill that you support. >> first we will ask harry reid if had will allow amendmented to be subject to 60-vote threshold. in all likelihood will will say no because he wanted to force funding through with democrats. he does that even senate republicans have the tool that we always used when the majority leader is becausing his power. we can filibuster and say we will not allow use to add the funding back for obama care with
just 51 votes. >> if i may, you say this is brute political power, it's senate rule 22 that has been around for years. it says you say allow debate, that you can pass an amendment by a simple majority, that's the rule. >> what's good for the rule, it's good for the gander. and that's the reason that the senate, generally on controversial votes, we work out an agreement for it to be subject to a 60 vote threshold. if the majority is going to run the minority over with a train, they have the ability to stop them. so if he says i'm going to run the republicans other and ignore the bill passed been and i'm going to do this on a 51 vote
threshold, in my mind, it should be easy for them to stand and support house republicans. any vote to allow harry reed to add funding, a vote for lowture is a vote for obama care. and i think they will stand side by side and listen to the people and stop this train wreck that is obama care. >> first of all, you need 41 votes, your vote and 40 others to go with you to block consideration of the house bill in the senate, how many do you have right now, senator? >> we don't know right now and this week we will determine that. this is a fast moving target. just a few weeks ago we didn't have any of the votes we needed in the house or senate. i knew all along this would be a
long journey. stage was one unify the person people. we have had a petition signed and people calling their senators saying stop obama care. >> stage three is next week why senate republicans, it's now our turn to unify and stand together with house republicans. this may end up going back to the house. and i fully believe the house will go on. and i believe first it is republicans, if you're a democrat running for reelection in arkansas, and you get calls from your constituents, it changes the calculus entirely. but that will not happen until we unify republicans. >> here is the question that everyone on both sides is asking
which is what's your end game? let's say you block consideration of any bill in the senate. they take out obama care and they send it back to the house. what's your end game? because the government will shut down a week from monday. >> i don't want the government to shut down, the american people don't, and i don't think they should shut down the government. if that happens. if harry reid kills this bill in it the senate, i think the house should hold it's ground and start passing smaller resolutions one department at a time. fund the military, send it over, and see it harry reid is willing to shut down the military because he wants to force obama care on the american people. if the house house can keep driving this -- the house is the only body where the republicans
have a majority. my job is supporting as much support and air cover as we can for the house to stand up and lead. >> senator, i think it's fair to say that you ticked off a lot of your fellow republicans who feel you got them into this fight without an end game and without a strategy. they have gone on the record. tim griffin wrote so far senate republicans are good at getting facebook likes and town halls, not much else. pete king calls you a fraud. if he can deliver on this, fine, if not he should keep quiet from now on. and bob corker of tennessee said i didn't go to harvard or princeton, but i can count republicans that say you're pushing them into a fight you don't know how to finish.
senator? >> well, look. there is lots of folks in washington that can choose to throw rocks, and i'm not going to reciprocate or do likewise. we have career politicians in both parties in washington that are not listening to americans. the american people are hurting because obama care is not working. it's killing jobs, it's driving up health insurance rates, it caused them to lose their insurance. people are hearing from their constituents in overwhelming numbers. >> the democrats feel that you have given them the political
high ground in all of this. i want to play with president obama said last night. >> you would be willing to shut down the government and potentially default for the first time in united states history because it bothers you so much that we're going to make sure that everybody has affordable health care. >> senator, you're completely right. but people also don't want to shut down the government to have this. there is a new republican poll out late last week, a republican group, 71-23, don't shut down the government for this. >> there is a lot of ways to phrase this. the majority of republicans want obama care defunded.
last week the wall street journal found that americans trust democrats more. and let me suggest the reason why is because we're standing up and leading the fight. voters learned that there's enough talk from washington, stand up and do it. you just have to get out of washington dc and listen to the american people. listen to small businesses laying people off. people struggling for jobs. and the people who are hurting, i hear from them every single day. women with pre-existing conditions losing their coverage because of obama care. >> we're almost out of time. you have a lot of valid criticisms about obama care. but if it comes down, if the senate ping-pongs this back to the house, if it is obama care or shut down the government, what's your position?
keep the government going or keep fighting about obama care. >> i believe we should stand our ground and i don't think harry reid and barack obama should shut down the federal government. the house voted to fund the federal government. if he kills that, harry reed is responsible for that. don't fund obama care because it's hurting the american people. that's in senate democrats want out because it's not working. >> we'll talk about that with senator mccaskill of the next segment. we'll stay on top of the battle of the budget. it should be interesting. >> thank you, chris. >> syria's initial inventory of their weapons stockpile. and a massacre at the washington navy yard. 20 years with the company.
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joining us now is mr. delfert. what do you make of the positive reaction from the obama administration. >> so far so good. two weeks ago they were talking about a military strike to address the problem of syrian chemical weapons. it looks as thousand the -- >> he is the only person who probably could have done that. he knows the syrians and he spent five years at the un. so so far so good. and the russians appear to be keeping -- >> assad has a long history of
delay and quite frankly lying. given assad, given want russians, how confident are you that we can meet this time table to destroy this chemical weapon stockpile by the middle of next year? >> there's a few points that argue in favor of that being possible. the syrians had chemical weapons for decades. so i would think they have the capacity on their own for destroying it. not all of the work will be done outside of syria, some of it will be inside of syria. they can move things around, possibly move them to the shore and remove them by ship. the narrow objective of getting rid of the chemical weapons is a
case where russian and american goals are congruent. >> in the days after the august 21st chemical weapons attack, the u.s. was talking about military strikes and there was all kind of reports that the syrian military was disbursing the weapons to places they would be sheltered. one, doesn't that make it harder to find what these weapons are, and two what about the possibility that assad could shift some of them to allies in the region. >> practicically speaking, the partest part is getting the bureaucracy right. there is also the bureaucracy in the u.n. and new york and security counsel.
over the course of next week they have to sort this out. it will be key to watch for who will be the person to head this. when you see that person named and identified you will get a better idea if this is going to move forward. you have to worry about syria cheating, but the russians will be hurt and embarrassed also. >> thank you for giving us your perspective on this. joining us now is senator claire mccaskill. what's your reaction to the regime meeting, it's first deadline, declaring it's inventory, and how confident are you that the syrians and russians will lead up to their agreement. >> i think putin is doing the right things, chris, for the wrong reasons. he has an international stake in
making good. putin clearly moved the ball quickly, i credit our team for a credible threat of military force that brought people to the table, and now as has been stated we're pleasantly surprised because we have a good idea of what they have and what they revealed is a pretty good effort. so we have to trust and verify. and, you know, keep our eye on them because we don't trust -- we don't really trust putin, but he is doing the right thing even if it is for the wrong reasons. >> you talked about how we ended up in this situation, a few days ago, president obama's two secretaries of defense from the first term both blasted him for his actions in this syrian matter. >> when the president of the united states draws a red line,
the credibility of this country is dependent on him backing up his word. when we draw a line and we give or word, we back it up. >> somebody asked the president the other day do you trust putin. my answer would be are you kidding me? >> senator leon pinetta says if you draw a red line you have to enforce it. bob gates says it's a joke. didn't president obama make a hash of this? >> i think it is very easy to monday morning quarterback in a very difficult mess like this is. there are no good solutions to this problem. there was no good answer. it's a civil war and we're not sure who the bad guys and the good guys are, but we knew there was chemical weapons used. and what the president has
accomplished, he has putin doing the right thing and assad recognizing and admitting he has chemical weapons and moving in the right direction to get rid of them. that's what this is about. so you can quarterback the way it went about, the play calling, but the results are a win for national security and for the standard of our nation being the moral high ground in the world. >> it was leon pinetta and bob gates that were monday morning quarterbacking. >> everybody was. >> okay, that's all right. i guess that's part of the constitution. this week, iranian president comes to the general assembly, and he is going to talk about seizing the opportunity for better relations. should president obama sit down with him at the u.n. this week? >> i don't know about that, but
i do know there are some good signals. we need to celebrate the good signals, and we need to make our decisions in consultation with israel. it is, in fact, israel. and it is important that we stay locked with israel. >> our interview with senator cruz who is calling for a filibuster to block consideration of a house passed bill that would block funding obama care and fund the government. what do you think of his strategy. >> it's not brute force, it's called the american people and elections. i don't think we should throw
tantrums. the american people had a choice last november. they had a choice between appealing obama care and electing someone to progress it. every single democratic senator that voted for balm care, most of them by double digits. >> all right, but -- >> you don't want to monday morning quarterback, let me ask you how you think this will play out. >> i cannot believe they are going to throw a tantrum and through the american people and our economic recovery under the bus. it is really going to hurt real people. and this is just political point making. this is about running for a
president with ted cruz. this is not about meaningful statesmanship. this is not about doing what we're sent to washington to do which is compromise and run the government. let's sit at the table and try to make obama care better. let's negotiate lower spending in our federal deficit. >> senator, we're running out of time and i want to ask you a couple questions about -- there has been and i think you agree in the last few weeks, a long list of problems that cropped up about obama care. the cleveland clinic announced they will lay off possibly hundreds of workers. they're sending their workers to private insurance exchanges where they madepremiums. and union leaders are talking about nightmare scenarios.
>> we'll be damned if you're going to lose our health insurance because of unintended consequences in a law. it needs to be changed, fixed, and fixed now. >> if the white house is willing to give companies an extra year to try to figure this out, why not give the average american while they work out what seems to be an awful lot of problems. >> there is millions of americans that need health insurance now, chris. they're willing to say to the american people don't take the benefit designed to allow you for the first time to go somewhere and get a reasonable insurance coverage for a reasonable price. we would rather you not do that so we can get a political victory by making it fail. these will benefit millions of americans.
walgreens said we're going to give you the money and you will shop on the exchange and you can pool and get a wide variety of policies to choose from. >> i don't want to get too deep in the weeds, but the point is one, that amount of money they're going to gi may no longer be enough to pay the premium, and it's a direct contra decision of president obama who said if you like the health care plan you like, you can keep it, and they won't. >> i think the point is, chris, there is going to be an opportunity for millions of americans who had no place to go, who had pre-existing conditions, to get insurance. we should all have one goal. let's get to the table. let's get it implemented and give people an opportunity to buy insurance that they can afford. which is why we began down the road in the first place.
and the people using this has a political two by four have no solution to this problem, it's not easy. >> this is a subject that you have great concern again and that is the massacre at the military navy yard. 12 people were killed. you are the the chair of those senate panels on contracting oversights. how messed up is this system? you have about a minute, and what are you going to do about it? >> it's very messed up. we have a contractor that has overpromised and you can't short change the right background checks. we need to make sure we're doing the right number of background checks and not too many, and the
ones that we do have to be done right. they're under criminal investigation, chris. dozens of people have been convicted for fraud. we have to get to the bottom on this. i'm insisting that we get it right and we will stay on it until we do. >> thank you, we'll have you back to talk more in detail about this. thank you. >> thank you. >> up next the show down over obama care and the budget is the only one brewing in washington. a possibly bigger fight over raising the limit on the country's credit card. when does your work end?
they're focused on politics. they're focused on tried to mess with me. they're not focused on you. >> he doesn't want to listen to any reason or any compromise. >> president obama hammering americans on a potential government shut down and default on our national debt. rand paul says it's the president starting this. we have amy walter from the cook political report, carl rove, and
dennis kucinich. the house passed a bill running through mid december, but you have to defund obama care. how is this going to play out over the next eight days? >> rand paul who we heard just a moment ago said this won't work. it's a strategy that the house remembers and the house republicans won't work. the best thing they can do is to try to work changes in obama care. that tells me all i think anybody needs to know about this. they don't have the vote. the procedures they're talking about following is so complex. at the end of the day it's all backed up by one thing, the threat of a government shut down. the senators and congressmen can
say all they want about how it's harry reid and the president doing it, and they may be correct, but that is not how it will be portrayed and seen if there is a shout down. they traditionally are blamed on republicans. >> first of all i think the blame game is firmly established and it will be in the hands of the republicans and not the president. >> why is that? >> the polls going back to since the beginning of the year when we say who do you think is compromising, who do you think is not, republicans are overwhelmingly seen as noncompromising and the president is shown as conciliatory. also, republicans are starting off on lower approval rating. the president's approval rating is not in great shape, but it's
much better than the republican one right now. there is no strategy and no end game for where this goes. but republicans -- >> he would disagree with that. >> you're right. the one thing i would argue is the republicans have a victory and it's about holding it and showing what it is right now. even a clean cr. even a continuing resolution that does not have the obama care defunding in it, can contain a lot of things that the republicans that came to washington solely to do is something that the president and democrats are willing to sign off on. >> this has been one of the strangest weeks i've ever had on washington. as soon as we listed ted cruz as our guest this week, i got
questions and research from republicans about ted cruz. why are they so angry? >> they were held out without any consultation. they lay it out on july 9th without ever having brought it up at the thursday meeting to say we have an idea. with all due respect to him, i suspect this is the first time the end game was described to any republican senator. they had to tune in to find out what his next step was in if the strategy. you cannot build a congressional majority in any party unless you're treating them with a level of respect. they have dictated and not consulted about this strategy at all. senator cruz said republicans enjoy an advantage of health
care. i wish it was true. the advantage was that they are trusted more 28 to 39. this is a historic low number for them. it was 42-32 at a previous election. >> congressman kucinich. >> this is about political theater. there is not going to be a government shut down. there is not going to be a default, but there will be a serious attempt to chep away at the affordable care act. there will be an attempt to move up those who are eligible to 40 hours instead of 30 hours to repeal the employer mandate and make changing. so i agree about what may come about in this give and take. not only with the american people -- >> let me just pick up on that
though. as you look and i know you're a big supporter of government health care. >> not for profit. >> right, single payer. doesn't it concern you when companies fire -- the cleveland clinic, a symbol of health care, will have to fire employees because of this. and ibm and walgreens will put people on private exchanges where they will not be able to keep their health care, this is a mess. it is but those attacking it are not showing an alternative. so when i advocate is that a not for profit system and frankly as long as we have a for profit system we're looking at this kind of gamesmanship that is threatening the government of the united states itself. >> i don't really agree, there is problems with obama care, and
it was cobbled together to collect democratic only votes. it was rammed down the throats of the remembpublican party. no change of this magnitude, as big as health care, in memory has been made on the strength of one vote in the party. if this was a bipartisan measure, it would look different than it does now. my guess is it would be better, and you would not have wall. that is what i think is key here. >> all right, we have to take a break here. will the president sit down and talk with the president of iran. and should they? get the fox newsletter
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paying ourselves to do what we love? . we have never pursued or sought a nuclear bomb. >> hassan rouhani taking a charm direction. we have seen greetings, they released political prisoners, and we had some very surprisingly conciliatory statements from the new president rouhani and the new supreme leader. what do you make of it? >> i think they're dieing to get rid of the sanctions, and
rouhani really gained on his predecessor who was a thug. he made a lot of nice gestures. so we await to see -- wait to see whether there is any substance behind this. but the atmosphere so far is great, he is charming. >> let's pick up on this b with amy, iran could be playing us. will they continue to develop their nuclear program. the sanctions, really, have begun to bite. oil exports were half of what they were. the value of their currency is half what it was two years ago. so there is a reason. >> right. i think the bigger question for the u.s. as well is what is our
longer term strategy? is where are we going, what do we expect to get out of this. we have been going now through the experience in syria for short term solutions for longer term problems. i don't know what the end game is or if anybody knows if we're talking about this, syria, and our relationship with other countries in the middle ooegs and what the ultimate solution will be. >> let me talk short term, real short term. if you were in the white house, how would you advise the president? should he sit down in a gesture welcoming him and saying we alsoment it, or would you say no, and if not how do you test their seriousness? >> he told a boldfaced lie, don't sit down with them. three times he denounces
international terrorism and extremism. this is a government underwriting hezbollah. he says my government is ready to facilitate dialogue. this is the government that is flying arms into the syrian regime and revolutionary guards are fighting along the forces. he is charming and subtle, but he is thug like it's predecessor who was an uncharming thud. >> i don't think it's because they turned over a new leaf, it's buzz they might want a new relationship and perhaps if you test him, he might be willing to give up stuff. >> which is the rough we should be talking to them. it's not constructive to try to create a cartoon version of their leader, to call him a thug. i think it is getter as a matter
of course, you better talk to people before you think about bombing them. we need to take a different approach. we could use this as an opportunity to ask iran to put aside their nuclear technology and look to our own policies. when you look at how a plane desengrated in the air. they almost dropped an h bomb on north carolina. >> say he has been given a certain amount of time and if he doesn't bring back something, then the hard liners come back and forth. why not? what's the cost of exploring. and you're right they are shipping arms to syria.
they're the great state sponsor of terrorism, why not pursue it. >> words should not buy a concession from the united states. that sits down with the leader of iran and treats him as an equal. that would be dishartenning in the region. had they would say what are you doing. not simply things they play well on their home front like letting a few political priszers go. let's see them do something about the nuclear issue or their sponsorshipover state terrorism through hezbollah, and their active involvementment of propping up the assad regime. he has done nothing other than charming words and pleasant things. he has to demonstrate by action.
>> we have a couple minutes left, and one of us here is just back from syria, congressman kucinich, in your interview, he denied having any involvement in the chemical attack. given everybody thinks that is a flat lie, how can we trust him? >> first of all, no official body connected with the u.n. maintained that president assad was directly responsible for that. there is no proof that he ordered that. if he had, he would have commit ad war crime. let's continue. they have now offered up their list of chemical weapons to the oversight. now we have to see if they're willing to move in the next step which is open inspection, ver
verfiability, and with that interview, they did a great job in pushing president assad on those issues. >> brit, your reaction? >> another case where he does this interview, a catalog of falsehoo falsehoods. it may be true that no official body has identified him as the one who made the call, but his regime has suggested he is responsible for this and i don't see how he escaped responsibility from that. at the moment then he stands, he seems to me, responsible for what is a war crime. and i'm glad he put forward a catalog of weapons, but be have a long way to go. >> thank you, panel. let me say remember our discussion continues every
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