i'm chris wallace. still another obama care change as the insurance industry and republicans up in arms. >> since i'm in charge, obviously we screwed it up. >> mike huckabee weighs in on the latest rewrites of obama care. we'll ask what he means about keeping the door up for a 2016 president run, and his take on the "duck dynasty" controversy. plus, a special message for the

holiday season. >> to me, christmas is about the birth of christ, and making memories. >> senior pastor and best selling author joel osteen. and our power player of the week. leaving a breathe at each and every veterans grave. that's all right now on "fox news sunday." hello again. mike huckabee is fond of saying he is a conservative, he's just not angry about it. he was a surprisingly strong candidate in 2008 and a surprise drop out last time. now he is surprising people again talking about running for president in 2016. joining us again is mike

huckab huckabee, welcome back to foxx news sunday. >> this week, the president made still another change to obama care partly suspending the individual mandate for policies that have been canceled. how do you see all of this working after the first of the year when people start going to their doctors. >> it's not working very well. they were promised they could keep it. they know now it's not true. that's where president obama was holder of the lie of the year the buzz word that the democrats keep using is we can't make these kmangs because tfrs the law of the land, and we keep seeing the president make all kinds of arbitrary changes to balm care because this law of

the land is beating people up and taking from them the doctors they had and they liked, and it was supposed to be $2500 per family less expensive. turns out it's thousands of dollars more expensive. it's anything about the affordable care act. >> in the end, obama care will extend coverage to $30 million people that are now uninsured. do republicans -- does the gop need an answer? an alternative that will reach those 30 million people or is that not a priority. >> i think it ought to be a priority. so deal with the 15% of people that don't have insurance rather than disrupt the system for the 85% who did. but what we should have done is to recognize of those 15%, about

half of them were insurable, they just didn't want to spend it on that. there are not people who are uninsurable. for those people there should be a safety net. with obama care you're putting them into the main marketplace that skews the market. we should have done somebody comparable to 1982, we signed a bill called t.e.f.r.a. what we did is take people who had severe developmental disabilities, for example, and those medical expenses can be hundreds and thousands of dollars per year. the only way for them to qualify for medicaid is to impoverish

the family. so we say there is three things, a premium, deductible, and a copay. but they will be reasonable. and the government would subsidize those people whose medical expenses are extraordinary. if republicans have a problem with that they should get over it, it could be them. then you have a more reasonable and responsible marketplace for people to buy insurance, buy what they wanted, and what they needed. frankly, chris, i don't need maternity coverage or drug and alcohol counselling. but i get them under obama care. >> when the duck dynasty controversy broke, you set up a facebook page called i stand

with phil, why is this such a big deal for you? >> i think it has come to a point in our culture where political correctness has made it so if you want to take a point of view, it is traditional. it holds to steadfast old fashioned biblical principals, that you're supposed to just shut up and keep that to yourself. but if you want to advocate for same sex marriage, we're supposed to be very tolerant. i'm not tolerant of intolerance. there is a new level of bullying of the part of these activist groups who if anyone says something that holds to the same position that barack obama held in 2008 when he was at the church with john mccain, made it clear he opposed same sex

marriage, because he was a christian and because of his biblical views. >> i think the counter argument is it isn't just the fact that phil robertson said he disagreed with it or felt it was a sin, it's how he said it. robertson in this article called homo on sexu homosexuality a sin. he also paraphrased corinthians and said they will not ininherit the kingdom of god. they were happy. no one was singing the blues. are you not offended by any of that? not the substance, but the way

he expressed it and how he said it? >> he said it in a way that was probably more appropriate for the duck woods than the pages of a major news magazine. i think i saw the world of the south a little differently than maybe he did, but that being said, this issue was never about those comments. this issue was specifically about the human rights campaign protesting to a&e every his kmaents rega comments regarding same sex relationships. it's no more sinful than pride or lust. that's as much sin as any other sin. tr is no division over which sin is most important, they're all out of the glory, out of the perfect will and mind of a holy god.

that's the whole point of being a christian. we're all sinners. >> the reasonable that we originally invited you on is because you gave several interviews this week in which you left the door wide open to possibly running for president in 2006. now as we said back in 2011, when a lot of people thought you were going to run, you didn't, and here is what you said then. >> all of the factors say go, but my heart says no. that's the decision that i made. governor, what changed? >> i don't know that anything has change sod dd so dramatical the circumstances. i try to be honest in all of my evaluations. so when people can me are you open to the possibility? the answer is possibly, yes.

i think there is a lot of time, and the republicans have a strong stable of possible candidates. i'm looking to find out if it's the right thing for me to do, and i'm not ready to make that decision. i don't want to tell people that i'm not going to open my mind to it because that would be dishonest. >> you did an interview in the "new york times," the "washington post." you're putting it out there more than just saying i'm not closing it off. i understand it's 2013 and that's an eternity in politics. chances you will run? >> i would say at this point it is 50/50. the only reason i talked to those news entities is they asked me, i didn't go solicit them.

but as people approached me and asked me about it, i had friends that said let's do a poll, let's see if you're in the mix. those are things you listen to. right now i have other things i have to focus on on a full-time basis, and i'll just keep that option open. >> part of your appeal, if you do run, is that you're a p populist who is concerned about working class folks and minorities. and you're also, like the president, interested in income inequali inequality. i want to put up something you said recently. we devalue people sometimes who are poor. we do not deem them worthy of the same level of treatment we give those connected to the real access of evil. i must say i was struck by that.

ax access of evil? >> there is such a connection. and who takes it in the teeth? most of the working class people of america. big banks get bailed out, insurance companies get bailed out. who bails them out? washington. why? i hear politicians that resent the fact that some single mom is getting assistance to put food on the table for her three children, she is doing the best she can, and the same people that somehow resent that single mom are saying it's perfectly okay to bail out to the tune of billions. big bangs run by ivy league people. now the point that i do make, and a lot of people misunderstand, i don't want the government coming in and creating a situation where they determine what income equality

looks like. i think the government can mess more up than they can ever fix. the last thing i want is more and bigger government getting involved. i want there to be a calling out and attention giving to the fact that a lot of the crisis, they seem to have a big disconnection with a lot of working class people. i grew up with a lot more in common with the people in the kitchen than the folks at the head table. i had to learn. i had to connect to the people bringing the food to the head table. >> if you run for president, i think you will be a very formidable candidate. we want to note you're starting your own news website next year calls, appropriately, the

"huckabee post." thank you. >> thank you, chris. >> obama care is around the corner but the rules keep changing. we discuss that and the growing call for reform. have we lost the true meaning of christmas? pastor joel osteen will be here later. share your favorite moments of show today on facebook. allon ofs is also enough to keep your smartphone running for how long? 30 days? 300 days? 3,000 days? the answer is... 3,000 days. because of gasoline's high energy density, your car doesn't have to carry as much fuel compared to other energy sources. take the energy quiz. energy lives here. impact wool exports from new zealand,

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the basic structure of that problem works. despite the website problems and the messaging problems, it's working. >> president obama says that obama care is still doing what it was intended to do. kirsten powers, charles krauthammer, and juan williams. t and george will. this week, the president partly suspended the individual mandate. george, i want to begin with a question i asked governor huckabee. what do you expect to happen on

january 2nd when people on this new system have to go to their doctors and start getting health care. >> it's very hard to quantify, perhaps most of the law has been waived or suspended. the mandate does not go to the score of the law. if not that, what is the core of the law. by now it seems fair to say three things. if you told the truth about three things, he probably wouldn't have been elected in 2012. he would be better off today if in 2012 the chief justice voted the other way, they struck down the law. now we have added to incompetence and dishonesty. when he says if you had health insurance and it was canceled,

you're preferred. if you didn't have insurance you could still be punished for not getting it. >> is it as break as that, kirsten? >> it's pretty break, and i think it's chaotic. to not know when he keeps changing the rules when of what people have to do. i think it is confusing to a lot of people if they're required to have it. then you have exceptions where they're saying if you don't hair from us, you should probably get health insurance somewhere else. as we great to the first and second, and people not having health and thinking they did, it

could be a problem. >> the president said that none of these problems get to the core of obama care. and 85% of americans that benefits from the benefits you get under obama care. is it possible for all of the prks so far they can get this worked out. >> one of the things he did, one of the reasons this strikes at the heart of obama care is that he now told a whole class of people that you don't have to be in the exchanges.

and these are people that were left out, and the cost will be exorbitant. if you're exempting them from the fine and the requirement, there is no way you can fine people you all right o bollishes the care. and there is only one way out. there is a huge government bailout of the insurers waiting at the end of next year. that is something they ought to

focus on right now. it's the only way that obama care survives. congress ought to say no bailout, particularly because this is not a natural disaster, it's a man made disaster. >> the hardship exemption, the people that lost their policies and are not going to have to sign up, with the hardship exemption was supposed to be if your house was blown away by hurricane sandy. you couldn't afford to pay for health insurance. the hardship here is obama care. >> yes. >> i think there is a big lump in all of your christmas stockings. you're looking at the negative so heavily and hearsing out.

hang on, let me finish my point. i think if you look at the reality of what's happened here, you have people who say there is a market. we have seen a million people already sign up. there is a market there. the second thing to say is these don't speak to the core issue. most of us have insurance that are employers. most of them who are canceled have gotten new policies. >> for triple the amount. >> some are more some are less, but they got new policies. what we're talking about is about a half million people and a half million people that some of whom were under 30 and eligible for this catastrophic program. so we're talking about oh, but now, young people might be coming in that should not be in there. so now we're talking about maybe

250,000 people. but at this table it's woe is me, obama care is done. >> there was one person that was directly affected. >> it's not just a handful. it's people who are responsible, that had insurance, who are now being punished, and now for some of the people that have a hardship exemption, they don't have a lot of options. your old policy isn't available, the obama care policies are too expensive, how is that helpful. >> we can keep talking about this, but i also want to talk about the growing call for restrictions on nsa surveillance of americans. we had a federal district judge that said the bulk collection of billions of phone records of

americans is likely unconstitutional. you have a presidential panel come up with 46 recommendations for restrictions. are we in danger of letter our guard down here? >> yes, we are. at the ens that we're fighting a nation, not a network. their disbursed. to find a needle in a hay tack you to assemble the hay stacks. i think the judge that said there is a plausible fourth amendment case has done the nsa a favor. it may go to the supreme court. it really has to because he challenged the supreme court precedent, and they will either clarify the issue, or by saying it's all right will ratify it. what the judge said was the

precedent based on 1979 telephone company -- nsa says whether or not it's unreasonable depends on a cost benefit analysis. >> the president pointed out in defending nsa surveillance, although he says she open, and indications to he accept some restrictions. he says in more than ten years, there's not a single documented case of abuse. a single case that we know where an american's privacy has been violated. >> correct, but the larger problem is that they could be fishing around in your private materials. for me it's a political issue. and at the political level, you have to be ready to say yes, i cut back and i limited the powers of the nsa, and that's why we've had this newest attack

by terrorists. it's not just the laws that change, we live in an age of terrorism. and i think we have to say to our political leaders that as long as you don't snoop around chris wallace's private e-mails we want to you track patterns of terrorist communications and protect us. >> let me just say that my e-mails are really beyond reproach. okay, we have to take a break here, when we come back, is a&e's us spengs -- suspension of phil robertson justified? it doesn't usually work that way with health care.

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here is what i think is so hypocritical. they all say they're for difference, intolerance, unless you disagree with them. >> we ought to respect people who believe that, but his language was crude and offensive. >> bobby jindal joining the

discussion on phil roberterson from "duck dynasty." i'm calling an audible. charles, he even invoked that he is a "new york times" best selling author, and he wants the floor for 30 seconds. >> i can't believe you did that. >> the clock is ticking. i'll be concise. i think on the issue of the nsa, the corralling decision was given because technology was changed. >> 79 is that if you have a phone you don't have any privacy. >> our response to 9/11, a decade ago, we may not be

applicable to what is happening today. the decision should be a moving decision that will change overtime and it ought to come out of congress. >> very well said, sir. >> i think it was worth the interruption. i know you do. george, "duck dynasty" i'm sure you never thought at this point in your career you would be talking about an a&e cable show. is political correctness killing our freedom? >> no, this is a big complicated country. this is a week in which new mexico is voting for same sex

marriage. his first amendment rights are not in danger. it protects individuals from government action that would priorly restrain speech. this is an argument between him and his employer. let them sort it out. this goes to the viewers question about political correctness, the new biggest american entitlement is no go through life without being offended. people think they have a right to not have their feelings exacerbated. it does me no harm if my neighbor believes in 20 gods or one guard, it neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg. the law will protect our possessions and our persons, but not our feelings and people just have to get over it. >> kirsten, what about governor jindal's comment that hollywood and the left are all for t

tolerance and minority opinions as long as you don't disagree with that. >> that's a special target. is that she saying? that we should all think that? the point here is not that this person supports traditional marriage. the point is that he is a biggot on many levels. he said things about gay and african-americans. there was a video of him speaking in 2010 saying gay people are ruthless, full of murder, and liable to invent ways of doing evil. so if he just said that, there would be no controversy. it is over the fact that he is saying very hateful things that are in no way supportive of being a christian or found anywhere in the bible. >> charles, i would love you to

response, and i want you to respond to a question on facebook from james nathaniel who asks why are conservatives making a big deal of this. >> i think it is overstated. it is government composure. we're talking about dumbture ral composure. i think there is a lot that we ought not have in the country. and we work it out without any rules. at some point you're way over the line and people will punish you and have you fired. on others i think they're more unequivocal. this is a dispute between a private party, a network making a lot of money, and it can decide if it thinks that person has gone over that line or not. it's a personal decision and it will be adjudicated in the end by whether the boycotters of the network are stronger than the boycotters of the products

that -- of those who are opposing it. i think there is one irony here. the gays that fought for equality in the marketplace, in housing, in the military, in marriage, and as for tolerance and acceptance, having achiefed it or largely achieved it, ought to think about using their influence and power to legitimatize and ill tolerant of others, which was pointed out by governor huckabee, the same way that president obama did in 2008. we would say she not a biggot, he had those biblical approaches in 2008. >> think the right is so strongly backing because they think there is a issue with older white evangelical voters.

>> is it politics? >> yes, as everyone said it's not a first amendment issue. i had a best selling book on it. i got fired for saying something that people didn't like. my employer didn't like it and fired me. but my point is that this is not about the debate. what we said shuts down debate because it invites -- it was ugly language about homosexual acts and it invites people to hate people who are gay and see them. it's not in the christian tradition, to make judgments about them and put them in a box. i think it was very ugly. you think the right goes after martin bashir. remember the dixie chicks.

but when people then, they then want to cry foul when people are int intolerant of them. >> to be continued. an interesting discussion. my guess is this is something people will talk about over the holidays more than obama care. up next, joel osteen. around here you don't make excuses. you make commitments. and when you can't live up to them, you own up, and make it right. some people think the kind of accountability that thrives on so many streets in this country has gone missing in the places where it's needed most. but i know you'll still find it when you know where to look.

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his positive message of hope and faith is watched by millions of people in this country and arnold the world. his new book became an instant best seller. we sat down once again with joel osteen, and it was before the controversy of "duck dynasty" broke. >> welcome back to "fox news sunday." >> so great to be with you, chris. you have a new book, "break out" break out of what? >> sometimes just a rut in life. even myself, i never streamed i would be a minister. i used to tell my dad i can't speak in front of people. we put limitations on ourselves.

the first place you have to break out is in your mind. >> i want to ask you about that. i must say that i'm guilty of it, but you made me realize that we all are. we have a negative dialogue going on in our brain. >> yeah, we're talking to ourselves all of the time. some people don't realize it. psychologists call it our internal dialogue. we just grow up that way. you have to achieve that dialogue. you have enough people against you in life, don't be against yourself. you should think i'm smart, i'm a person of need -- >> a lot of the limits we face in life are limits we put on ourselves? >> yes, i really believe that. i never thought that i could talk in front of people. when my dad died and i took over the church, here i am.

>> and you say the answer is a concept that you call in your book further faster. what does that mean? >> i believe it's about having faith in god, believing you're a person of destiny, that dodd can take you further faster. one good break, or one touch of god's favor can put you 50 years done the road. you think i'm never going to get well. but it just takes god just moving things in your direction that can put you where you never thought you could go. >> you certainly would agree that just believing in yourself or just -- that's not going to necessarily feed the bulldog as the line goes. >> yeah, i think that's going to limit you, and you have to put faith in your actions, use what god has given you, develop your gifts and talents. there are other things too, and

i think it does start and you say this is it, you don't have to drive to move forward. when you survey the state of our spiritual union, what encourages you? >> it seems like state is at an all-time high in one sense. i never believed we would have church in a basketball arena, and being able to see faith where the it is today. part of the society seems like it's going down. i feel like an optimist. i see faith at an all-time high. >> conversely, when you survey the state of our spiritual union were what worries you? >> i think it concerns me just, you know, where some of the society is going. i just think sometimes it's not

as honorable as it could be. some of that worries me. what concerns me is the respect for mankind, you know, not being -- it seems like there can be times, especially with the internet and things there can be a lot of mean spirited stuff that comes out in the old days you had to send a letter, and i don't like that part of it. >> i know that you don't like to talk about politics particularly, but talk about issues that have a political but also a moral component. in 2014, the supreme court agreed to hear a case involving the birth control mandate for obama care. that you have to provide the option for birth control and insurance even if that violates the owner of that company's

religious and spiritual beliefs. where do yo cou come down on th. >> just that that constitution helps us practice our faith, and i just hope that wouldn't happen. >> the president and the administration would say is look, if i'm an employee at a company, it's not -- it's not the owner, i'm deciding whether or not i want to use birth control. >> i think it's a fine line. maybe on a broader term, just as a minister and as a pass ter, having thought of it as a company's -- i wouldn't like the government telling me i can't practice faith in the way i would like to. >> time magazine just named pope francis person of the year. what do you think? >> i like the pope. i like that he made the church

more inclusivinclusive. for awhile, it seems like we narrow it down, i would rather throw a wide, wide net. the church is not a place for perfect people, it's for all of us to come and find health, guidance, and restoration. >> billy graham, perhaps the greatest evangelist ever. he is 95 and in declining health, what will his legacy be? >> it will be a man of faithfulness and integrity. he had a lot of critics. people told him he could not fill sis calling, and he inspires younger ministers like me. and do not let people talk of

you of what you want to do, and living a life of integrity. >> as we get together once again on a holiday season, i want to ask you about a controversy involving this holiday. what do you think? is there a war on christmas? >> well, you know, for one sense i see what people are saying. i'm an optimist. i think there is always things coming against faith, and i don't think that will stop people of faith. i think that society is changing. it's not like it was when i was going up. but those kind of things it doesn't stop my faith, it doesn't discourage me. the scriptures say it will get darker, but it's another way for us to shine brightly. >> i think there are certain groups that would like to.

i think there are certain groups that would like to. there's still millions of faith, and if they took it out in their minds, it won't change the faith in our hearts. i'm probably not as concerned about it as some others. >> when people say happy holidays instead of merry christmas. do you see it as religious political correctness going overboard. >> maybe a little, it doesn't bother me, i don't let surface things like that bother me. i'm not offended by that. i think too, traveling a lot, not everybody believes like me. and even some christians believe differently from me.

>> and this is not a new development, but it just seems to keep getting worse, all of the commercialism of christmas. what do you make when it seems as if this holiday is all about presents and parties. >> it is, i could not agree with you more, it's so hectic and commercialized. i don't know that we will change it, i think we have to me mind o -- remind our families what it is all about. it's all about making memories. it's not necessarily did i get the exact right gift, it's did i spend time? did i make memories with my family? did we laugh, did we love, have time to love and respect each other. sometimes we get so caught up and stressed that we don't take time to just enjoy each other's person. we may not have another christmas together. each day is a gift from god.

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it's a christmas tradition here to share a story of how one family found a way to express the holiday season. it's a moving example of love for our country and personal generosity. once again, here is our power player of the week. >> we would not have the opportunities if it wasn't for the people that fought for us and who gave their lives for us. >> it is that which has driven morrill worcester every year. >> i think a lot of people think like i do, and they just want to -- they appreciate the veterans and they want to show. >> this beginning back in 1962 when worcester won a trip to washington. what impressed him most was

arlington. his beauty and dignity, and the rows and rows of graves. >> every one represents a life, and a family, and a story. they're not just tombstones, those are people. >> he ran a wreath company in maine, and he had a bunch left over one year. >> i didn't want to throw them away. >> he thought of arlington and the graves. he and a dozen volunteers drove the wreaths down and laid them on the headstones. a air force sergeant took this picture and it ended up on the internet. >> it struck a nerve and people e-mailed it to each other, and it really went around the world.

>> we were there next year as he as hen workers loaded up 5265 wreaths. they started on a 750 mile adjournty that attracted more than 500 vehicles. >> this is an army ceremony to the worcester wreath company. >> he used to pay for it out out of his pocket. >> i think there is around 2.7 million graves, and that is a tall order. >> but you would like to do it, wouldn't you? >> i really would. somehow -- >> how long will you keep doing

this? >> for as long as i work, and then i know my family will continue. it will be here for a long time. this is the 22nd year morrill worcester has taken on his wreath project. more than 540,000 wreaths now mark the graves, and google donated $250,000 this year to help him continue his work. that's it for today. come on guys, come on in. with three of the wallace grandchildren here, we want to wish you a great week, a happy new year. this is caroline, james, and william. have a very merry christmas and we'll see you next "fox news

sunday." say merry christmas, everybody. >> merry christmas!

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