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>> i'm mike emanuel in for chris wallace, more than a week since the impeachment vote, no sign in a break in a standoff over a trial in the senate. >> she is doing a tremendous disservice to the country. she's not doing a good job. >> mike: president trump lashing out at house speaker nancy pelosi and democrats were holding up his day in court. >> i'm not anxious to have this trial, go right ahead. >> mike: a while leaders remain at odds over format and whether or not witnesses should be called. we will discuss the deadlock with congressman steve scalise, the number two republican in the house and get reaction from democratic senator ben cardin of maryland, only on "fox news sunday." plus, christmas passes without a so-called gift from north korea.
>> maybe it's a nice present, may be the present word he sends me a beautiful vase. >> mike: we will ask our sunday panel about the fragile state of u.s.-north korea relations all right now on "fox news sunday." ♪ >> mike: an elegant and happy new year from fox news in washington. the debate over the parameters of the senate impeachment trial goes on this holiday weekend. president trump spending it in florida, slamming house speaker nancy pelosi in a series of tweets about the process, which he calls very unfair. in a moment we will speak with the number two republican in the house come as congressman steve scalise but first let's ge rich edson at the mar-a-lago retreat in florida. >> might, president trump is about halfway through his two week trip here in florida. the president is now working in daily criticisms of the house speaker, who led the effort to impeach him.
>> she hates all of the people that voted for me and the republican party. >> and she is trying to force senate republicans to allow witnesses and any impeachment trial. house speaker nancy pelosi is still withholding house passed impeachment articles delaying a senate trial. president suggests pelosi should focus instead on homelessness in california and face a primary challenge. pelosi tweeted "the facts are clear and every witness told the same story despite the president's attempts to cover it up, president trump abused his power for his own personal gain. hashtag defend our democracy." senate democrats say if the president did nothing wrong, it administration officials should have no problem testifying. >> give an answer to why we shouldn't have witnesses and documents. and he hasn't given a good answer. plain and simple. >> republicans claim pelosi's tactic, rush impeachment through the house and then delay a senate trial, shows impeachment as a political charade. >> there are not two-thirds of
the senders willing to convict and remove the president. we all know how this ends. >> though there is some dissension among republicans, alaska senator lisa murkowski told a lowe's old potomac local tv station she was disturbed to hear mitch mcconnell say he was closely coordinated with the white house on impeachment trial strategy. senior republicans have pushed for a quick trial. though the president has said he wants a trial to examine vice president joe biden and his son hunter's conduct in ukraine. a fight "the des moines register" he would defy a subpoena to testify at the president's impeachment trial. biden is now clarifying, saying he would honor any legitimate request from congress, so he says subpoenas should really go to those responsible for shaking down ukraine. he says that to the trump white house. >> mike: rich edson reporting live from mar-a-lago, thank you. joining me now from louisiana, congressman steve scalise, the house minority whip, welcome back to "fox news sunday." >> representative scalise: good to be back with you, mike. >> mike: congressman, we want to begin with breaking news,
reports out of new york that an intruder with a large knife, perhaps even a machete, attacked the home of a hasidic rabbi as people were gathered to celebrate hanukkah. police say they've arrested a suspect, your reaction, sir? >> representative scalise: well, it's really alarming. we are seeing growing anti-semitism, something that we all need to speak out against, people of all faiths, whether it's a synagogue in pittsburgh, whether it's the home of an orthodox rabbi, we only do stand up and say it's wrong to attack people based on their faith and to see this anti-semitism growing throughout our country, that something will need to not only be alarmed about, but also stand up against. >> mike: is there some kind of government response that's logical to this, to a wave of anti-semitism that we've seen in new york? >> representative scalise: i think our reaction needs to be quick and direct, that anti-semitism is wrong, that attacks on people of faith are wrong and that regardless of who is attacked, we are going to stand up against it and not try to figure out who did it, that's a law enforcement's job.
law enforcement is doing a great job, by the way, of making sure that they're getting the suspect. two offered in washington you see people trying to figure out somebody's motives instead of just saying it's wrong and attack and call it out for what it is, anti-semitism is wrong. we need to stand up against it and it's unfortunately starting to pop up all around the country more and more, so we need to stand up and be very vocal and very united against it. >> mike: to your role as one of the top republicans in the house of representatives, what are your expectations when congress returns, will speaker pelosi cave and send over the articles of impeachment quickly? >> representative scalise: it's her duty to turn it over. it's not like some mechanism she can control. the house passed it. they shouldn't have. you look at what the evidence was in speaker pelosi wanted to talk about the evidence, every one of their witnesses testified under oath saying there was no crime, saying there was no quid pro quo. maybe she's trying to carry out her own would croak well by
acting as if she's got some kind of role in the senate trial. they had a weak case. i think she knows they had a weak case. there was no evidence and no crime committed and yet they still wanted to impeach the president to appease their radical base. that's what this was about from the beginning. they've neglected a real agenda for hardworking families, by the way, and what you're seeing right now as i think pelosi just exposing the fact she has no case and trying to have one more bite at the apple. they are going to talk about more impeachment next year. how about that focus on lowering drug prices, securing our border, doing and infrastructure packets could have done in a bipartisan way? they don't want to do any of that because they've become a party of impeachment. they have this obsession, it seems like, with carrying out this political vendetta against the president instead of working with him to get him john. at least president trump is working for families, creating jobs, getting an economy that is -- that's what we should all be focused on. >> mike: do believe speaker pelosi is overreaching by trying to influence a senate
trial? >> representative scalise: it's not her role to go over to the senate. she could run for the senate if she wants to be a senator. the house has a role, the senate has a role, it's time for the house to do their job. for months she was saying how important it is that got to remove this president immediately, the threat to their whole way of life and once they pass the impeachment, she doesn't want the senate to get the papers to start the trial. they can't have it both ways. i think people see through the charade, it's a political charade. this is not what our founders intended impeachment to be used for. in fact they wrote about it, hamilton talks very specifically about the concern that impeachment would be used to carry out a political vendetta instead of to go after a crime. if there was no crime committed, so now all they're doing is trying to just attack the president personally because their field is so weak on the democrat side and the president has done such a great job of fulfilling his promises, the things he actually ran on doing. i wish barack obama and joe biden would have stood up to
russia and helped ukraine is much as president trump has helped ukraine, selling javelin missiles, allowing them to stand up to russia in ways that barack obama and joe biden wouldn't allow ukraine to do. >> mike: looking ahead, you've said mitch mcconnell will run a fair trial in the senate but alaska republican senator lisa murkowski was critical this week of coordination between mcconnell and the white house. she doesn't seem convinced, congressman. >> representative scalise: and you've seen her make statements concerned about what democrats have been doing and saying as well, you heard chuck schumer making comments recently in the last two weeks to contradict things that chuck schumer as a candidate for united states senate said in 1998 when he was running, saying he was running on a platform in part of acquitting bill clinton when he got to vote against impeachment in the house and it went over to the senate and voted against impeachment there. so in the air, look, the senate is going to contract, conduct a fair trial. there was not a fair trial in
the house and i think it was very clear and you see what pelosi did their, literally shutting down the ability for the minority to even have a day of hearings, which is required under house rules, they broke that rule. they broke a lot of rules to ram through this impeachment charade. just because they have a political vendetta against the president. he didn't commit a crime, their star witness has said under oath, can you name an impeachable offense, was the bribery, everyone of them said no and yet they still carried on. the senate will have a fair trial and you'll see an acquittal. everybody knows it's going to end in acquittal. what they haven't done is i think just as important. they haven't focused on lowering prescription drug prices, which we passed a bill, by the way, unanimously. every republican, every democrat voted to lower drug prices, family will be paying those lower drug prices today because the president would have signed the bill, pelosi won't bring that to the floor because of this obsession with impeachment. >> mike: richard blumenthal says there are 5-10 republicans
with severe misgivings about mcconnell's strategy. it does for the delay risk bringing out more senate g.o.p. concerns? >> representative scalise: you know, people can question strategy and everybody might have their own tactics of how they go about it. every impeachment -- when you had a republican -- divided house and senate with the white house, they've always negotiated with the white house to have a fair process. that i think it's what's missing in the spirit it was never an attempt by the speaker to have any kind of negotiation on a fair process with the white house. it was done with a republican house at the democrat president under clinton. it was done with the democrat house and a republican president under nixon. they negotiated in fair terms and process so you could have a fair trial. they didn't have that in the house, it was very clear that pelosi didn't want a fair process, but in the end it's going to end in acquittal and so when we focus on real things that matter for hardworking families? >> mike: later mcconnell doesn't sound like he is in any rush, meanwhile president trump is down at mar-a-lago's doing. is there tension there?
>> representative scalise: i don't think there's tension. i think the president has been focused on delivering for families. we just before we left were finally able to get the usmca trade agreement pressed. it should have been passed months ago. that is something that could create over 160,000 jobs for workers all across the country, better trade relations and sending a message to china and pelosi sat on that for over six months because of this obsession with impeachment. so the president said, look, i want to work with congress to get things done. i just spend all their time going after him personally because they don't like him and as he said, they don't like the people who voted for him, which i think is a bigger concern that they're missing. i think those people are going to speak out again in 2020 and reelect president trump and send in a republican house because they don't want the house spending all of its time carrying out political vendettas. they should be working for those families that president trump is working and delivering for. >> mike: congressman, how do you take the fight to the 31 house democrats in districts president trump won?
>> representative scalise: you got to go back and just continue to talk about the things that we would do if we were in the majority, actually delivering for those same families that expect congress to be working for them, not fighting over their own personal power in washington. and i think that's what you see this about. they still don't like the fact that in 2016 donald trump got elected. they're trying to reverse and negate the votes of those millions of people who elected donald trump as our president and they're trying to hurt his ability next year. many of them said a publicly that they are afraid president trump will get reelected so they have to impeach him, but that's not why you have impeachment. that in fact is an abuse of the power of impeachment and i think they're going to be punished for abusing that power next year when they go before the voters who elected them last year. >> mike: to be clear, we are not naming the name, but you have any issues with president trump re-tweeting the name of the alleged whistle-blower? >> representative scalise: look, the whistle-blower should have testified a long time ago. in fact, they don't really meet the definition of a whistle-blower.
they never saw a crime and personally from everything we've seen, the person hasn't disputed this, this person had a political vendetta against the president. he supposedly worked for joe biden, so has a political ax to grind. it's a little concerning you can have somebody anonymously try to take down a sitting president using innuendo and in fact some of these things were false statements, false claims that were made. and there was coordination with schiff's staff, maybe even schiff himself, which is i think wife schiff didn't want the whistle-blower to testify and so a lot of that should come out. i think the public ought to know all of those meetings that pelosi and schiff held in secret behind closed doors to remove the duly elected president. that ought to be a alarming to all americans. whether you like this president or not, that they would go behind closed doors and try to reverse the will of the people in an election, so the whistle-blower ought to be known and testify like they try to take out a sitting president. everybody in america has a right to face their accusers, much of
the president be denied the same right? >> mike: congressman steve scalise, see you back on the hill and new year, thanks for joining us on this holiday weekend. up next, reaction from senator ben cardin on impeachment standoff and a potential renewed arms race with russia. ♪ hey! how are you? i'm good. ♪ how are you? hello grandma! for every family going home for the holidays, there are countless people working to help them get there. thank you to everyone we rely on to get us home to the ones we love. ♪
♪ >> mike: both republicans and democrats in the senate are largely lining up behind a shorter impeachment trial but differ on whether or not to call witnesses. joining us now is democrat ben cardin of maryland, welcome back to "fox news sunday." >> senator cardin: mike, it's good to be with you. speeone's democratic governmen r
chuck schumer -- ties to the white house, yet former vice president joe biden has said he will not testify at a senate trial, now he saying he would of course obey any subpoena sent to him, still to biden's complaint about the process under my leadership is negotiations with majority leader mcconnell. >> senator cardin: first of all, the senate has sole responsibility for the trial and we have a responsibility to have a fair trial. it we need to hear from those who have the direct information about the president's call with the president of ukraine about the holding up of a presidential meeting, about holding up of aid. if those witnesses need to be heard in the united states senate. i think what leader schumer is saying, let's have a list those witnesses testify along with the documents that would reflect exactly why the funds were held up, our meeting was not allowed with the president of ukraine and exactly the context of the july phone call. i think that's a minimum for a fair trial in the united states
senate. >> mike: isn't the reality, senator, that democrats all the power and leverage in the house but very little in the senate. just another example of how painful it is to be the minority party? >> senator cardin: in the house of course the president chose not to cooperate but worse than that, he told the key witnesses not to testify before the united states congress. he refused to allow documents to be produced. it never before and impeachment inquiry has that been done by the president of the united states. so you had unusual circumstances in the house. the senate now has its responsibility. the house has sole responsibility on impeachment, the senate on removal. it's our responsibility and we would hope that our leader would want the senate to operate in a fair manner and hear from the key witnesses and receive key documents. >> mike: alabama senator doug jones is seen as the most endangered democrat in the senate next year. jones says he's focused on doing his job during impeachment tri trial.
>> if i did everything based on a pure political argument, all you need is a computer to match a button. that's not what this country is about, that's not what the founders intended, it's not what i intend to do. >> mike: use of the process cannot be controlled by politics but you've got jones up for reelection and ruby red alabama, doesn't that make it more difficult for you to win back the majority? >> senator cardin: let the politics play out, but we do have a constitutional responsibility. this is one of our solemn responsibilities, and impeachment process, so we have to do what's right under the constitution. we will take a separate oath at the beginning of the trial to act as an impartial juror. that's our responsibility, we need to do that. but at the same time i agree with senator jones, we need to continue to do the business of the people of this country. unfortunately the house has sent us bipartisan bills. later mcconnell hasn't brought any of those bills up on the floor of the senate. that was this year. next year i hope that he will allow us to take up these
important issues so that we can deal with the other issues that are so important to the people of this country. >> mike: let's get specific about that looking ahead, things so polarized with impeachment on the hill, what do you think realistically can get done in this election year that's upcoming? >> senator cardin: well, we have to deal with the key issues. we have to deal with prescription drug costs. we have to deal with infrastructure. they are important issues. i heard steve scalise talk about that, but we also have to deal with labor rights, which to deal with minimum wage, our environment. these are all issues that have been passed in the united states house of representatives that are sitting on mitch mcconnell's desk. >> mike: use it on the foreign relations committee, north korea promised the united states a christmas gift. it hasn't come so far, but what are your concerns about more provocative behavior from that regime? >> senator cardin: well, north korea is a nuclear weapon power. they have the ability to use a nuclear weapon. the meetings with the two
leaders have produced very little in regards to the denuclearization of the korean peninsula. so what i want to see, i want to see the leader of north korea, kim jong un, make a full declaration of his nuclear weapon program and make a real commitment to start to dismantle that. we haven't seen any of that during the trump administration. >> mike: china, russia, and iran are right now engaged in military exercises in the gulf of oman in the indian ocean. they started four days of exercises on friday. an iranian official says the joint drill served as a signal between -- have reached a new meaningful level, how alarming do you find that? >> senator cardin: extremely alarming. we are seeing that russia is continuing its military alliances with countries that are very much against our interests. the only reason the president posed sanctions against russia for its behavior in regards to ukraine, behavior regards to our
own elections was because congress in a bipartisan manner passed very strong sanction bills against russia. now we find that russia is starting to operate with iran, with china. where is the republican leadership in congress to say no, we are going to stand up to russia, we're going to stand up to iran, stand up to china to make sure that this type of a military threat against the united states is held in check? we are not seeing that. >> mike: meanwhile, russian president vladimir putin is boasting about a new hypersonic weapon that he claims can evade american missile defense systems. i do believe the hype? >> senator cardin: i would treat what he says very seriously. the president seems to want to embrace mr. putin, wants to embrace president xi of china. kim jong un of north korea. this is ridiculous, these are people who are enemies of the united states. they are trying to bring down our system of government. we have to treat their threats very seriously and make sure that we protect our national
security interests. >> mike: there are published reports suggesting united states is behind the russians with plans to deploy our own hypersonic system by 2022, which some suggest is optimistic, do you find that troubling, sir? >> senator cardin: what the united states should be in leadership is to try to calm things down globally. we are the leader of the free world. it's in our interest to not only engage in arms agreements with countries like russia, but to expand them, so that we have not only a nonporous relation policy, but also a policy that will reduce -- particularly nuclear weapons. it is concerning that are intermediate arms agreement, inf, the president is withdrawing from that. we have new start with russia, which deals with their nuclear weapons. what's the future of that? we need u.s. leadership to engage the international community and make it safer for all. >> mike: has been that awful
news out of new york without the intruder with a knife attacking the hasidic rabbis hanukkah celebration. your reaction to what appears to be the latest in a wave of anti-semitic attacks in the new york area? >> senator cardin: mike, this is extremely tragic. anti-semitism for the organization -- i also serve on the u.s. holocaust memorial museum. we see a rise of anti-semitism globally and what is first required is the leaders must stand up and condemn any marginal -- any action against marginal groups. it's not only words, its actions. to make it clear that those responsible will be held fully accountable and that we work together to keep our community safe, but it's our language, it's our action, this is the rise here in the united states that something that should be of concern of every person in this country. >> mike: governor andrew cuomo is on the scene there in new york. he's calling it an act of domestic terrorism.
do you agree with that assessment, sir? >> senator cardin: i do. i think these individuals are acting not just out of hatred towards one person, but i hatred anyone who's different and to me that is what terrorism is about. so i agree with governor cuomo, i think this is an act of domestic terrorism. >> mike: senator cardin, thank you very much, happy new year to you, see you back on the hill. >> senator cardin: thanks, mike. >> mike: up next we will bring in our sunday group to discuss the weekly standoff and the battle between democrats in congress and president trump. they're walking into a trap. if you don't deliver a message calling off tomorrow's attack, we will lose sixteen hundred men. your brother among them. ♪ good luck.
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>> we have a slogan in america that is at the core of our justice. it's called "a speedy and fair trial." >> we have the majority and now they want mcconnell to do wonderful things for them. he's going to do what he wants to do. >> i'm not anxious to have this trial so she wants to hold onto the papers, go right ahead. >> mike: senate minority leader chuck schumer making a push for the senate to issue subpoenas demanding testimony and documents ahead of the president's impeachment trial will senator mitch mcconnell declares talks at an impasse and it's time now for our sunday group. a former republican congressman jason chaffetz from "the washington post," charles lane. marie harf, executive director of the serve america pack and fox news politics editor chris stirewalt, great to have you all. jason, you are congressman scalise and senator cardin talking impeachment, do you expect speaker pelosi to essentially cave one congress returns in about a week or so? >> it's interesting to me that the democrats are asking for critical documents but it starts
with actually presenting the articles into the united states senate. i'm shocked -- if you really look at it, what you have is this unique position where the accused, donald trump and the republicans, they actually want to start this process where those that are making the accusations, nancy pelosi, adam schiff, and the like, but they even send over the documents so they can start that process. i think they are paul testing. i think the democrats are holding this back for a reason but it doesn't serve our country very well. >> mike: truck, you had vice president biden saying i'm not going to testify in a senator heller in any kind of backpedaled a bit and said of course i will comply with a subpoena. it is he hurting leader schumer's ability to negotiate with senate majority leader mcconnell? >> i don't think so. i think you probably ended up where he should have started, namely saying we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. however, if they present me with legitimate process, i will probably obey it.
i think what it illustrates is that this whole business of impeachment is a little bit of a drive-by shooting for joe biden because his name and hunters keep getting dragged into it. on the question about nancy pelosi's strategy here, you know, i kind of started out thinking this was all a little too clever by half on her part but now i sort of see what she's up to. trying to see if she can so a little division in republican ranks. she is giving donald trump and mitch mcconnell an opportunity to say slightly different things about the process. at lisa murkowski has come a kind of as a wild card. and i think she's keeping her options open to see how this develops. of course that's all political stuff. that's not exactly the constitutional part but, as leader mcconnell is fond of saying, it is a political process. >> mike: as we watch the hous house, democrats didn't seem too concerned about whether republicans were getting anything or anything they wanted in terms of impeachment process. is there any reason to believe
that leader mcconnell is going to give schumer anything? >> if he has to. there in your gallantry of clips and quips there, the key sentence donald trump said, mitch mcconnell will do whatever he wants. and that's exactly what -- the president of the united states, speaker of the house knows the truth. mcconnell is the one who's going to get to decide this but pelosi is doing is applying maximum pressure right now on mcconnell to try and drive a wedge between him and trump because trump and his squad want total chaos, right? they want absolute pandemonium. they want to have matt gaetz swinging from the chandeliers on the senate side to make it just as wild as you as possible and drag joe biden in, drag hunter biden, do the whole thing. that's what team trump wants. what team republican wants, with the g.o.p. wants is keep it quiet, keep it cool and don't force 40 bad boats on susan collins and thom tillis and every other vulnerable senator. how long can pelosi keep it up, i don't know.
>> mike: you expect something to bubble over between the white house and leader mcconnell at some point? >> she's going to keep putting firecrackers in their shoes and we will see what happens. >> mike: marie, your foreign policy background. with that the russians, the chinese, and the iranians during military right now. that alliance and then you got the north koreans promising this christmas gift. what's troubling you most of this point? >> i was thinking about this question this morning and a lot of things troubled me as we go into 2020. obviously the alliance that we've seen in these exercises, iran working more closely with russia and china. a lot of countries working separately from the united states whether it's on climate change, whether it's on the iran negotiations, quite frankly. the united states has really been on the island because of a lot of president trump's rhetoric and a lot of his behavior so i'm worried about what iran will do. if there's potential for conflict there, the negotiations are handled well. they are really only negotiations in name right now, there's not a lot of movement there. i would say the same about north korea and the final issue, which is a foreign policy issue,
is these tariffs. a new fed report out this week that's is the tariffs president trump put in place cost manufacturing jobs, they caused prices to be higher, because job loss in many different sectors. that is both a foreign policy issue in a political issue but donald trump is going to have to grapple with heading into 2020. all of those things make me concerned and of course in the foreign policy world there's always the prospect of something we don't know, right? something we don't foresee, some crisis. it was so much political division here at home, how we would handle a crisis right now, how this president would handle it feels very, i think, concerning to a lot of people. >> is someone who worked for senator kerry and secretary of state carrie, i can understand that you feel that way but i tell you, those of us that are supportive of what the president is doing look to china and the fact that we are making progress in a trade deal with china does bode well not only with our negotiations and work with north korea, but also around the world and the usmca makes us stronger in this hemisphere than
ever, so the president has a lot to point to. the world has been fairly calm, cool and collected. things can blow up in a moment. it is concerning what the iranians are going to do in such close proximity there in the gulf of oman, but i got to tell you, i think the president has scored a lot of victories. he was able to plus up the defense budget, doing the spaceports, which is important for our long-term health and prosperity in our abilities. i think that concerns the russians. the president does have another side to the story. >> mike: chuck, are you concerned about the north koreans perhaps sending this moratorium -- obviously we saw this president take a different approach than some of his predecessors by talking directly with the north korean leader. thoughts on north korea at this stage? >> i guess back in april kim jong un announced -- like winning something by the end of the year. it was kind of getting a little perplexed i guess about this on-again off-again thing that president trump was throwing at them and the negotiators have
essentially gone nowhere since then and we get the idea of the christmas graft, which didn't quite come. basically there's an end of your deadline to be followed by a january annual address by kim and which is going to announce all sorts of new policies and i think it was interesting that this week he started prepared the north korean ruling party with a big event where they talked about the hardships that they may have to go through next year, which tells me that they are perhaps preparing for the sanctions not being lifted because they themselves do something that the u.s. can't ignore that will be regarded as provocative but i think it's like everything else with north korea, they talk, they often talk very tough, they often talk very bellicose terms and then kind of under deliver. >> with both iran and north korea, their programs whether its missiles or nuclear programs have both progressed over the last year because these negotiations haven't gone anywhere. >> there have been a number of missile tests, yes, in north korea. >> that's right. >> i think i was 13 this year. >> mike: chris, heading into a
presidential election when the entire house was on the ballot and much of the senate, will it take a significant foreign policy crisis to get everybody's attention, to get everybody kind of refocused and not so hyperpartisan? >> one of the things i loved most about the american electorate as it could care less about foreign policy unless it hurts them, their family, or their lives immediately. one of the reasons we've been able to have, or used to have for so long, brought bipartisan consensus on pick foreign policy issues is that it doesn't move voters particularly whether they have this or that meeting where this treaty or that treaty, it's not that big of a deal. until americans are dying or gas prices go up or there's some disruption in our lives, married voters tend to ignore it. but for partisan it's sometimes hard to take advantage of the opportunity of actually working together. >> we are in the middle of the longest war in american history in afghanistan, we still have troops fighting and dying there, talk about when it hits home. there are real negotiations that have some promise there, that's a thing to watch in 2020,
whether we can actually bring home our troops, some of whom were born after the attacks of 9/11 and are fighting in afghanistan now, we don't talk about it enough. >> mike: an army sergeant was killed christmas eve. dignified transfer happen christmas day and the taliban claimed a response for, so tough negotiations there. panel, we have to take a break here but when we come back, just a little over a month to the first in the nation vote, we will discuss amy klobuchar's pitch to rural america and whether i will could swing back blue in 2020. ♪
>> i want to tell you how excited we are to have made all 99 counties today. [cheers and applause] >> every county in iowa. but the point of this, which is you should learn something about me, i kept my promise. >> mike: senator amy globe which are trying to break into the top tier in the democratic race, giving voters in iowa a second look by visiting all the hawkeye states 99 counties and we are back now with the panel. let's take a look at the real clear politics average of polls in the hawkeye state with amy klobuchar running fifth even
though she has campaigned in all 99 counties. marie, is iowa make or break for this midwestern senator? >> probably. i think the democratic voters look at joe biden. a lot of them really like him but they think maybe if there's a moderate was a little younger, maybe has a little more speed on their fastball, because they don't -- they are concerned that bernie and elizabeth warren cannot win back the general election so someone like amy i think has to do well in iowa. she is from the midwest, but iowa isn't necessarily make or break in general, just as presidents and war-torn president huckaby how well their iowa wins showed how they could do in a primary but i do think amy globe which are might surprise us because people are looking for someone -- democratic voters are looking for someone that can win a general election. they are worried biden can't, they are worried mayor pete can't and they're worried the far left candidates can't. amy klobuchar may be the one to benefit from this. >> mike: so fox news politics editor, mayor pete is leading in iowa in the polling according to the rcp average. how many tickets out of iowa are
there? >> it depends on who. the big danger for joe biden is that somebody wins both iowa and new hampshire and it ain't him. if amy globe which are won iowa and bernie sanders won new hampshire, that's fine. if regional favorites and on and on and then biden can still buy super tuesday stretch his legs and go out and be the national candidate and win. the danger for biden is somebody like pete buttigieg, wins iowa then finds a way to win and new hampshire were also he has lead in polls recently. that sets biden up for trouble, puts biden in the same position in a lot of ways that hillary clinton was with barack obama in 2008. i will means more for democrats than it does for republicans, republicans at sort of a one off. for democrats, barack obama, john kerry, others know that this is the launchpad into success. >> for biden there are a super high expectations and a challenge to meet them, right? >> absolutely. and the overlay with his concern that he continues to mishandle things like well i testify in front of -- of course are going to testify in front of the
senate, mr. former president of the senate, and the fact that it takes them so long to get to the obvious answers should be disquieting for democrats. >> mike: all right, chuck, so elizabeth warren's fund-raising has dipped. about 30% in the fourth quarter from $24.6 million to $17 million in the rcp average, she's running forth in both iowa and new hampshire. our voters in that left lane of the democratic party choosing senator bernie sanders over her? >> i think actually there's sort of maybe like a split left lane. there's perhaps not as much interchangeability between warren and sanders voters as we thought. i mean, these are nuances visible only to those voters i suppose, but she said i am a capitalist and he's out there saying a socialist and that sent a signal and so i don't think they are interchangeable as much as we thought. it seems like more that warren kind of sword as somebody who was lapping over into the nonleft lane for a while and then she lost some of that to
pete buttigieg when he came up. his rise really is a pretty amazing story of 2019. no one really saw that coming, but that also makes you think that perhaps is volatile. at that if amy globe chart is going to move up it might be by taking votes away from buttigieg because buttigieg is like the alternative a lot of people have picked, the alternative to biden because maybe they thought it was too old. the alternative to the others, warren and sanders because they thought he was to left. amy klobuchar can do that too for some voters. he's now starting to take some fire. if people are going negative on him at the debates. he knows, maybe she will peel off some of his voters. >> mike: how do you think the biden campaign folks are feeling at this point? there's been great expectations obviously. do you think they are playing the long game at this point thinking that eventually he'll get his mojo if he doesn't get a win right off the bat? >> i think they have to be reasonably happy actually with how well he's held onto basically front runner status
despite all the inevitable gaffes that you get with joe biden. he's got a bedrock of support in african-american voters and a large extent latino voters, who are the key to the democratic base. and if he rolls up a big win in south carolina after iowa and new hampshire, i think, which is very foreseeable, he would be in good shape. >> mike: speaking of latino voters, mayor pete talking, trying to break in with latino voters, he's talking about a path to citizenship, doing something on that in his first 100 days. he's also tweeting on christmas day about jesus saying today i joined millions around the world -- the arrival of divinity arthur came to this world not in riches but in poverty, not as a citizen, but as a refugee. that got the attention of a lot of christian leaders. jason, your thoughts on mayor pete's pitch to latinos? >> he's been doing a lot of meandering lately, no doubt about it. i don't think you can run all the way to the finish line. i do think you'll do well in
iowa, he has to. if you can't win in iowa, where is he going to actually win? i think there's room for two, maybe three people that are coming out of iowa but i've got to tell you, i do not see -- i think the big story there is that the democrats don't just neatly lined up behind each other when they start dropping. that far left radical aoc, bernie sanders wing of the party, they don't neatly get behind, say, a joe biden moving forward. i think there's a lot of animosity there, a lot of resistance there and when you have michael moore this week say that he felt like joe biden was sort of a hillary clinton of the year, i just don't feel the energy that you felt with barack obama. you could just sense the intangibles that they were coalescing around somebody and here we are about 35 days away from iowa and we really don't know who the top -- in the top five is going to pull it out. >> mike: marie, are you stunned by bernie sanders come
back? wasn't that long ago he had a heart attack in the middle of his presidential campaign. i think people were thinking he might not have the endurance to go much further in the campaign and he seems to be doing a lot better, at least with those left voters. >> he's hanging in there. i think donald trump taught all of us who can survive things politically that we never thought you quit in the past, including a heart attack during a presidential campaign. i'm not concerned that 35 days out from iowa we don't have a clear front runner. i think these primary processes tend to play out often in a way that's helpful for the party. i'm actually glad that my party doesn't just fall in line behind to the front runners. i like that we are having a debate in the party about how we fund health care, how we deal with the military, how we protect our country. those debates are good. i do they want to make sure that voters stay focused on the number one priority, and that's meeting donald trump, so if joe biden's nominee, i hope that democratic voters and all those independents who voted for democrats in 2018, even samira rob lukens that helped us take back the house, that those
principles are still applied as they look at this presidential election in places like iowa where democrats took a number of house seats. it's going to be a key state in the presidential election. all of those same issues we are fighting over, whether it's prescription drugs, national security, those are all going to be on the ballot and it will be very interesting to see how those play out, especially if it's someone like elizabeth warren, who was more far left. >> mike: truck, what if the impeachment trial drags a bit? you got a bunch of senators who would like to be in places like iowa and new hampshire. >> there's a part of me that wonders if in the back of her my nancy pelosi is trying to just hold this thing off until the iowa caucuses. we haven't seen any evidence that that would be an unintended consequence of not filing impeachment papers until early february, when the state of the union takes on. it's going to be a little bit of a bump in the road if there is an impeachment trial in january because bernie sanders, amy klobuchar, elizabeth warren among the top tier and then you even have people like michael bennet, cory booker would have to sit there
literally silent because those are the rules of the senate. if there's anything somebody running for president hates, it's having to be silent. >> but this whole impeachment debacle has taken and sucked all the energy and all the attention away from these candidates who are out there supposedly talking about these issues. you never see that on the news. it is a total distraction. if they are not getting the name recognition that they need going into iowa and beyond and i think that's really hurting them. >> i think the conversation on the ground though in iowa, to your point, jason, is very different. people are talking about impeachment. talk about the fact that democrats in the house cost 400 bills including prescription drugs, including an mc and mitch mcconnell is not moving. elizabeth warren is not talking but impeachment on the campaign trail. >> we met with mayor pete buttigieg the other day and one thing he did say was that people out in iowa are not asking them all out about impeachment on the road and i do think there is a way in which it kind of
generally mixes up the messages of the democratic party. although to be sure, it does fortify the base. >> biden is a net when art of this is the impeachment stuff is bad for him because it talks about his son's sketchy conduct but it's good for him because it keeps the focus off the race. if the front runner, the less attention paid to the race the better and that's why he's gone wire-to-wire. >> mike: thank you, pal, see you next sunday. up next, we visited few of the interesting people who were power players of the week in 2019. ♪
♪ >> mike: most sundays at this time you'll find chris wallace here sharing the inspiring or interesting stories of those he's met in and around washington. 2019 brought some particularly memorable encounters. here are a few highlights from this year's power players of the week. >> is this a dream come true -- i'm going to start to slide this over. you talk, i'll slide. >> it is a dream come true, chris. it's something we wanted for a
long time here. for the fans of who have been great for us and it's for everything good about the game. >> you have very proud families and proud men who aren't going to bed. >> lisa marie riggins is talking about fair, fairness for athletes in retirement. a nonprofit she helped set up last year to advocate for former pro football players. she has the support of hall of famer's like dick butkus, franco harris and her husband, john riggins. >> i'm getting by all right for now. there's a lot of guys out there that aren't and they deserve a little bit better than what they've been shown. >> i will get tremendous satisfaction knowing that there are at least 4,500 players and their families that will have a check that they earned that is commensurate with their contributions that something will improve their quality of life and it will be a thanks for everything that they did. they were not forgotten. they are not ignored, they are
honored. >> i could not continue to have my family and my life and be in any way respectful of myself. >> terrell westover is describing her journey, the story she tells in "educated." it's a remarkable but painful account that has captivated hundreds of thousands of readers. tara grew up in bucks peak, idaho, 1 of 7 children. their dad was a mormon survivalist. >> you never went to grade school or high school, why not? >> he thought if we went to school we would be brainwashed. >> what your birthday? >> i don't know my birthday. >> her family center academic success came at the expense of her soul. >> that tension for a lot of years between this idea of myself and my idea of myself as a scholar, very difficult to reconcile. >> mike: robert caro spent over half is like telling a story of lyndon johnson. for books, some 3400 pages. but he's only up to 1964, not
you have to vietnam. he took us into his office. >> this is the outline of the rest of my last volume. from here, they are coming to the end of the book over there. >> if you should be unable, for whatever reason, to finish the book, have you made provisions for somebody else? >> no, i've made provisions that nobody else can finish my book. nobody is going to publish anything with my name on it that i didn't write. not a word. >> i might not be as good, i might not out sing everybody, i don't know, i meant in the world, but i'm going to outwork you. >> at age 58, toby keith has slowed down. instead of 200 shows a year, he now does 50 and he says his music is not what sells now. >> it's more of a hip-hop country. kids make a half a billion and end up on farms. i made mine, but i'm not going to write that stuff. >> but if our staff at
"fox news sunday" is any sign, he still has his fans. and his music, while, that will last forever. ♪ >> will raise up our glasses against evil forces saying whiskey for my man, beer for my horses. >> that's pretty good stuff. >> give me a guitar and we will do a whole show. >> i would love it! >> mike: fantastic stories, chris will be right back here next sunday, can't wait to see what power players are in store for next year. and a programmer, tonight you can see chris on a special "fox news sunday" power player hall of fame at 7:00 p.m. eastern on fox news channel and that's it for today, have a great week and will see you next "fox news sunday." ♪