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positions his administration. >> chris: we will talk with the president's daughter-in-law, lara trump, senior advisor to his campaign, and we will ask joe biden's deputy campaign manager kate bedingfield about his plans to go back on the campaign trail. then, we will ask our sunday panel where the race stands one month ahead of the first debate. and our "power player of the week." >> texting is the new handshake. >> campaigning in the age of covid. all right now on "fox news sunday." >> chris: and hello again from fox news in washington. it's now just 65 days, nine weeks, until election day in the first debate between president trump and joe biden is less than a month away. with the president officially accepting his nomination, this

long campaign is finally entering the intense homestretch. in a moment we will talk with top officials from both campaigns about where the race stands as we head into septemb september. but we with fox team coverage, david spunt at the white house. and jacqui heinrich. let's start with the postconviction strategy, david. >> as we close in on the two month mark, the president is waging war and it's not just against joe biden. >> joe biden is the puppet of the radical left movement that seeks to obliterate and destroy everything that you hold dear. >> in 2020, the race for president is more than just a difference of opinion. ask president trump, and it's a fight between good versus evil. >> we are not going to let our country be destroyed by a bunch of not drugs. >> back on the campaign trail less than 24 hours after giving

his acceptance speech on the south lawn of the white house. at a friday night rally in new hampshire, the president blamed democrats for the violence plaguing u.s. cities. >> the puppet biden wants you to cancel weddings, funerals, and schools, but has no problem with thousands of so-called peaceful protesters cramming into your streets, mugging people, hurting people. >> it's all about replicating a winning strategy from 2016 when the campaign portrayed the country at risk -- this year it's about dangerous cities. the president drove at home during an official visit in the aftermath of hurricane laura. >> the people in portland should protest because the mayor doesn't know what he's doing. >> more chaos in portland as a caravan of black lives matter and supporters of the president clashed. one person shot and killed. the president plans to visit the kenosha, wisconsin, tuesday,

another site of recent unrest. chris. >> chris: david spunt reporting from the white house, thanks. let's turn to jacqui heinrich, who's covering the biden campaign. >> chris, resuming travel to swing states after labor day, the biting campaign continues to make this election about coronavirus and how the trump administration mishandled a. the turmoil in kenosha threatened to derail that strategy. former vice president joe biden is clear on where he stands on police brutality and protests over it. >> once again a black man, jacob bley, has been shot by the police in broad daylight with the whole world watching. >> his running mate stepped even further following criticism of her law-enforcement record. >> based on what i've seen it seems like the officer should be charged. >> is the republicans faced soft -- whether more violence and crime will spread. >> you won't be safe and

joe biden's america. >> he will need to speak to swing voters in the world districts working class that -- some of them are in kenosha torn apart after protests over the police shooting of jacob blake. biden condemned the violence accusing republicans of using unrest for political grain. >> donald trump's america? >> but he hasn't committed to visiting kenosha, despite planned visits to four swing states, including wisconsin. both biden and harris spoke to blake's family. >> they were so comforting that you almost forgot how the situation was really playing o out. >> biden's campaign says upcoming travel will follow public health guidelines, meaning we should see small round tables certainly no rallies, although the drive and watch party of the dnc could become a model for bigger events, chris.

>> chris: thank you. joining us now, trump campaign senior advisor and daughter-in-law to the president, lara trump. welcome to "fox news sunday." >> thanks, chris, great to be with you. >> chris: let's start with the breaking news. as we've been reporting, the president will be traveling on tuesday to kenosha, wisconsin, the site of the police shooting and a violent protest. what's the message he wants to deliver in kenosha? >> well, i think the messages he cares about each and every american and this is a situation where you've seen, sadly, that throughout this country and democrat-run cities, the people that are in charge, the mayors of these cities have let their citizens down. they have not upheld the laws, protected the citizens, they have not protected small businesses. the president is going there because he cares about every single american in this country. he wants to make that known and you saw that the national guard was able to go in. they quell the violence in about

24 hours, so thank god no more people getting killed and injured and there aren't any violent mobs roaming the streets and that should be the model that i think all these mayors, the democrat mayors that are playing politics instead of looking out for the safety of their citizens should look to this and say hey, the president has offered all of us this opportunity and they should take it. >> chris: lara, you say that the president cares about each and every american. while these in kenosha, will he meet with jacob blake, the man who was shot seven times by a policeman, or will he meet with members of the blake family? speech i know he's reached out to the family, i don't know that they were able to connect at and i don't know for sure if that's on the agenda. i'm sure given the opportunity he would be more than happy to do that but i haven't gotten that information just yet. >> chris: all right, both you and the president talked at the convention about the violence, the surge of violence, whether it's protests or crime in our streets, and both of you blamed

the violence on the continuing, as you said, weak response by democratic politicians. there was joe biden's response to that. >> he's rooting for more violence, not less, and it's clear about that. and what's he doing is kept pouring gasoline on the fire. this happens to be donald trump's america. >> chris: obviously no one wants to see violence in american streets, but as a practical matter, does the president, does his campaign think that this violence in the streets plays to the president's political advantage in the campaign? >> lara: that is never something that any of us would want to see happen. absolutely not. i think unfortunately what's really bad particularly for joe biden in the biden campaign is you might remember it took them about three months to finally come out and condemn this violence insane people search stop doing it. the president from day one has been saying this and i will reiterate what i just said in my

last interview which is the president has said i have federal resources available to every mayor in every city across this country. we don't want violence in our streets, we want to keep people safe. if you don't have safety in their communities, what do you have? nothing else matters, so i would put the onus on joe biden essay it took them a little bit too long to come out and say that this wasn't a problem i think it's probably because he knows that that is his base if he doesn't want to upset these people. and i think it looks a lot worse for him. >> chris: let's talk about the political implications, because here's what kellyanne conway had to say on this subject this week. take a look. >> there was a quote today from a restaurant tour in wisconsin saying are you protesters trying to get donald trump reelected? he knows. , and i guess mayor pete knows. but the more chaos and anarchy and vandalism and violence rains, the better it is for the very clear choice on who's best on public safety and

"law & order." >> chris: the better it is, the more violence in the streets, the clearer the choice for voters on the issue of law and order. >> lara: yeah, well i think it certainly people attacking their folks, but that would never happen. it only goes one way, so if there's one person in that crowd that for a second thought, you know what, maybe i'm going to vote for joe biden, may be about for the democrats, i bet their mind was changed very quickly. the people that you see, by the way, getting accosted and harassed at restaurants around washington, d.c. i understand that one of those women was marching in the previous weeks with the blm protests. i wonder what she wants to do

now as she had store november 3rd. i think the point is that the more this happens to people and the more they see that this is a mob that in effect has been supported and it really has monetarily been supported by bailing out, you know, these violent criminals from folks in the biden campaign. people wonder, why would i vote for this, why would i want to see this continuing america? i think they know president donald trump is the person that has been saying this has to stop from day one and he wants to see it stop all around this country. >> chris: let's talk about the fall campaign, because we are told that starting after labor day -- although he's already started -- the president is expected to go out a couple of times a week and hold rallies of some sort in key states around the country. this last week on thursday, as part of the republican convention, the president gave his acceptance speech on the south lawn of the white house. we are showing pictures of it now.

more than 1500 people packed in, very few masks, no social distancing. lara, is the president just going to ignore the public health guidelines? >> lara: well look, we always -- whether it's at the cement you saw the white house are in a campaign event, we always encourage people to follow the guidelines and do what they think is best for themselves, so we always have masks available, we always have hand sanitizer available, and we encourage people to spread themselves out, but i think you know, as it always works out, people always rush towards the front of the stage, they want to be around this president. i packed themselves in and look, at a certain point in his country, i think we all love to recognize the people want to get back to normal and you know what, maybe it's going to a trump rally that does that, but we are always following the guidelines. we had health professionals work with our convention team. the entire time we followed exactly what they said that we should do and we will continue to do that.

>> chris: but some health officials say -- the fact is you did stack the chairs next to each other and to some health officials say this has the potential to be a super-spreader event. >> lara: yeah, well, it was an outdoor venue and i'll remind everybody that the folks that were sitting -- spitting in the faces of our people leaving the convention that night were not social distancing and it was an absolutely disgusting display. the next day there were, you know, thousands of people on the national mall all packed together as well. we either have to say that everybody plays by the same rules or we have to start talking about it. one of you talk about the president's campaign and how people weren't specifically socially distance but the next day thousands of people on the national mall, if you move hypocritical. >> chris: let's talk abut your speech to the democratic convention because you made a very specific appeal to women voters and there's a reason for that. let me put up some numbers from the campaign.

in the last fox news poll before the convention, the president is trailing biden 61% to 39% among women and trailing even worse, 58% to 35 amongst suburban women. why does the president have such a problem with women? >> lara: i don't think it's that if he has a problem one women, i think it's the way he gets portrayed by the larger media. i think women specifically maybe don't like everything you do weights and they are more inclined to tune into the 92% negative media coverage of this president, but that is why, chris, we have to campaign -- are doing everything we can to remind women don't think about what this president has said or the way he delivered the message, specifically look at what is actually done for this country, so we have bus tours, we started about a month ago, the bright pink boss, you can't miss us across the country and

we are out talking about the results produced by this president because of the end of the day, you know, women want to know specifically that the opportunities are available for them. 65 year low in women's unemployment since this president took office. if you've seen that, you know, the number of jobs graded for women in 2019 alone, 70% of those new jobs went specifically to women. we have to remind people out there, you know what, tune out the distorted unbiased commentary out there and look at what this president has done and that is our strategy. >> chris: lara, thank you, thanks for your time this weekend, to talk with you, please come back. >> lara: thank you, will do. >> chris: up next, we will speak with the top biden campaign official about the democratic nominee's fall campaign strategy. ♪ it's easy to get lost in the economic uncertainty.

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joining us now, biden deputy campaign manager kate bedingfield. welcome to foxman sunday. >> thanks for having me, chris, i appreciate it. >> chris: now that we know the president trump is going to kenosha, wisconsin, on tuesday, there are reports that vice president biden will be making a campaign trip tomorrow. can you tell us where he's going and what the message will be? >> kate: i will answer the question, but first i just want to go back quickly to a couple e of things that lara trump just said. first of all, she said that vice president biden did not quickly condemn the violence around these protests. that's absolutely not true. he came out right after george floyd was killed back in may and said there's no place for violence. he said forcefully again this week, so that's simply not true. the other thing we heard her say is don't listen to what donald trump has said. well, it president words matter. part of the reason that we are in the state of chaos that we are in in this country is that donald trump has failed to lead on the coronavirus, he failed to

take it seriously from the outset, and he's failed to be a uniter, he's failed to lead as we've been grappling with this moment of racial injustice in this country. i wanted to address that from outset because neither of those things were true. to your question, so yes, what i can say is he will absolutely hear joe biden out this week addressing this moment in the country. we will have details to share on the location shortly, but what i can tell you is that he's going to do what he's been doing across the course of the summer, which is calling together people, uniting the country, leading, encouraging people to take on this moment with a sense of purpose. he spent doing that, the exact opposite of what we've been seeing from tom, who's been trying to incite violence this entire summer. >> chris: just wait a second. i will get to violence in a second. i'm thinking in real-time. if the president is inciting violence?

>> kate: you saw donald trump go to new hampshire on friday and say, you know, protesters, my ass. he's had every opportunity to speak as a leader to this nation that is hurting, to speak to people who are struggling, more trying to rightly seek justice in this moment, but also were looking around are afraid. >> chris: you said incite violence. >> kate: absolutely, he has. he has encouraged his supporters to go out, to be aggressive. you heard, you were just discussing with lara trump, kellyanne conway said it unapologetically, it is better for this president is there is more anarchy, more violence, more chaos. he has at every opportunity try to fan the flames here and that is the reason we are living in donald trump's america. he is trying to make this argument -- is trying to make an argument about joe biden's america pointing to things that are happening in donald trump's america.

>> chris: all right, we are going to get back to the violence in a minute but i watched talk about this question of campaign trail traveling, because just one week ago joe biden said that he was going to continue his very limited in person campaigning. take a look. >> can you win a presidential election from home? >> we will. we're going to follow the science. what the scientists tell us. >> chris: but on thursday, the president talked -- the vice president rather, he's going to be out on the campaign trail, going to go to at least four swing states. has the signs changed that dramatically in one week? >> kate: those two things are not mutually exclusive. on the outset we have followed the signs, follow the public health guidelines, helped socially different, responsible refunds with people wearing masks, people taking the proper -- >> chris: but answer my question.

he said a week ago that he could win the election from home. he was asked that, he said we will follow the signs, now is going to go on a big campaign trail. >> kate: he said we will win by following the signs. that's what we've done from the outset, that's what we will continue to do. that means we can hold socially distant, responsible events, you're going to see him travel, you're going to see him in battleground states. people across this country have been sharing sacrifice since the virus spiraled out of control the spring. they have not been attending family events, not been attending weddings. the american people have really banded together and shared sacrifice to move us forward in this crisis and we as a campaign have also chosen to behave responsibly. you don't see that from the trump campaign. certainly didn't see it last week on the south lawn of the white house. >> chris: let me ask you about behaving responsibly. the vice president was asked this week about how he was

willing to respond to the coronavirus, especially if there's a spike, and here's what he had to say, take a look.t >> i'd be prepared to do whatever it takes to save lives because we cannot get the country moving until we control the virus. >> if the scientists say shut it down... >> i would listen to the scientists. >> joe biden's plan is not a solution to the virus, but rather it's a surrender to the virus. >> chris: now, no leading scientists that i've seen this talking about shutting down the country again, so why would the vice president even raise that possibility? >> kate: let's ask ourselves why we are in a situation where we would have to, chris, because donald trump is failed to contain this virus. from the outset trumpet are put in a coordinated program," federal effort. to make sure that nieces --

>> chris: the question i'm asking -- the question i'm asking is a very specific one. it isn't about trump's response. it's why it's joe biden talking about shutting down the country. that's the question i asked. >> but it is about trump's response, because why are we here? why are we in a position where we have to -- >> chris: i'm asking why would he talk about -- why would the vice president talk about shutting down the economy again? >> kate: because donald trump is not successfully managed this crisis. we have over 180,000 dead. we have a virus coursing unchecked throughout our count country. with people unable to live their lives normally. parents all across the country grappling with the fact that they can't send their kids back to school safely. this virus has turned our lives upside down. we are in a situation wherein because donald trump failed to contain it. he did not take it seriously from the outset, did not put in

place a plan to get the virus under control and as a result, this is the chaos we are living with. >> chris: okay, let's talk about the violence issue. you make the point, and the vice president makes the point that this is happening in donald trump's america, but the fact is, the president's attacks on biden on this issue are gaining some traction. i want to put up some numbers. in a "washington post" poll this month, 42% of white suburban voters said biden would make them less safe from crime, 22% said he would make them more safe, that's a 20-point deficit. how was the vice president going to deal with the fact that a lot of suburban voters, a lot of voters, are now hearing at least with the president is saying, which is that he's going to protect them and may be the president won't? >> kate: i think suburban voters are looking around at what's going on in this country

and looking at who's in the white house and they are seeing donald trump. they don't see joe biden, this is trump's america. the chaos that suburban voters are feeling and that voters all across this country are feeling as a result of donald trump's failed leadership. what joe biden is going to do, going to continue to lead, continue to work to bring us together. these going to put forward meaningful plans that address the underlying issues here, plans that tackle systemic economic inequality in our society. plans that will bring back jobs, create jobs and plans that will give the virus under control, which is the single most important thing that we have to do in order to get our economy back on track. so you know, joe biden -- >> chris: kate, we're running out of time, i just want to ask you one last question and it specifically goes to the plans. the president is going after joe biden as a tool of the far left. here's what the president has to say on that.

>> biden is a trojan horse for socialism. if joe biden doesn't have the strength to stand up to wild eyed marxists like bernie sanders and his fellow radicals, then how was he ever going to stand up for you? >> chris: in fact, the biden and bernie sanders campaign agreed on a detailed set of policies and here's our bernie sanders had to say about that. >> i think we hammered out some agreements which will make, in my view, joe biden a very progressive president if he in fact implements what has been written. >> chris: and former president obama said this recently. if you look at joe biden's goals and bernie sanders goals, they're not that different from a 40,000-foot level. so are obama and sanders wrong about where joe biden would take

the country? >> kate: the proof is in joe biden's proposals. look at what he's proposed. look at proposals that are going to bring manufacturing jobs back to this country, that are going to build clean energy infrastructure and create jobs that are going to create caregiving jobs in this country. look at his proposals, the proof was in the proposals and think the proof is also in his career, in the way that he has worked over the course of his career across the aisle. he's worked successfully with republicans, i mean, when president obama and joe biden came into the white house, joe biden got three republican votes for the recovery act. the single biggest clean energy investment in this country, the single biggest investment in bringing us back from the brink of merely economic collapse in 2009. he did that by reaching across the aisle, being able to get republican votes. something he's been able to do his entire career, something he will be able to do as president.

>> chris: kate, thank you, thanks for joining us and please come back. >> kate: thank you for having me, chris, i appreciate it. >> chris: up next we will bring in our sunday group to discuss with the presidential race stands now with both party conventions in the books. that's next. ♪ but then... oh. ah. okay. plan, pivot. how do you bounce back? you don't, you bounce forward, with serious and reliable internet. powered by the largest gig speed network in america. but is it secure? sure it's secure. and even if the power goes down, your connection doesn't. so how do i do this? you don't do this. we do this, together. bounce forward, with comcast business.

>> chris: coming up, the two conventions offer very different messages to voters. >> they see a wicked nation that must be punished for its sins. >> when you entrust me with the presidency, i will draw on the best of us, not the

>> this election will decide whether we save the american dream or whether we allow a socialist agenda to demolish our cherished destiny. >> caring is on the ballot, compassion is on the ballot, decency, science, democracy.

they are all on the ballot. >> chris: president trump and joe biden both describing the choice in this election in the starkest terms. it's time now for a sunday group. guy benson of fox news radio. fox news correspondent gillian turner, and charles lane of "the washington post." guy, presidential candidates always try to draw sharp distinctions with their opponents. this guy will take the country in the wrong direction, but i'm not sure i've heard both candidates describe the choice in the selection in such apocalyptic terms. is this what we have to look forward to for the next 65 days? >> we do. isn't that exciting and fun? i think it's interesting to see both campaigns seemingly agree vigorously on the proposition that this election is not only the most important of our lifetimes, which we hear every 2-4 years, but the most

important election in the history of the country. they agree on that. and if you watch both conventions, and i have a great joy of watching every minute of both, he said repeatedly, both parties made the argument that basically america is on the ballot and if there side loses, america as we know it, america in general will be badly damaged or could even in fact slip away and i wonder how many voters truly agree with that and i wonder if that's a healthy thing for our public, overall i would imagine probably not but that is exactly the argument being advanced. it's not by one side, it's by both sides and it's going to be polarized and intense down the stretch. >> chris: chuck, let me begin by giving my opinion to the question that guy just post, which is that i think voters are just as polarized as the parties and the candidates and the sense that i get is that most voters don't see this as a choice between right and left, but a

choice between good and bad. >> yes. the parties now are portraying each other is basically a threat to each other's existence and there is a total evaporation of efforts at persuasion. this is a pure mobilization effort at this point. get out your base by scaring your base about the threat posed by the other guys face. and there must surely be some voters out there, probably a lot, who are kind of bewildered by this choice, not excited by being forced to look at their country in these terms, but that is the way our two political parties are campaigning. >> chris: gillian, the trump campaign wanted to do a few things at this convention. they obviously wanted to point out president trump's

accomplishments, joe biden's failings, but here's where i would disagree a bit with chuck, and we heard the from mara trump, which i think they did try to persuade some people who like the president's policies, but don't like his tone. here's an example of that during the convention. >> washington has not changed donald trump. donald trump has changed washington. >> chris: gillian how well do you think the convention made the case to try to persuade people who like what the president does, but have real problems with the way the president does it, to in effect almost give them, probably primarily women, to give them a permission structure despite their concerns about the president to still vote for? >> i think that's really the key question that gets to the meat of the issue for probably most

american voters. trump just said that it sometimes is a choice between good and evil, sometimes it's a choice between hate and love i guess for lack of a better word, chuck didn't use that word, but then sometimes voters simply vote for whoever's message is coming across loudest and clearest, so you have the state of the race as measured by the polls, which show coming out of these two weeks, biden still maintains a really strong lead over president trump but coming out of the dnc, biden didn't get the boost that democrats expected he would get which i thinks speaks to the messaging. i also have to point out that now in the 21st century, especially in this race, this 2020 campaign season, there's another entire metric here and if you look at social media coming out of these two weeks, the two people who far and away blow the competition out of the water in terms of social media

responses and engagement was melania trump on the republican side, michelle obama on the democrat side. i believe michelle obama had nearly seven times as much engagement on twitter and instagram and facebook as joe biden and melania trump had nearly five times the engagement of her husband. so i will leave it to the political analyst to tell you what that means but it is significant. >> chris: guy, with the conventions behind us, where do you see this race as we are about to head into september? >> i'd love to see some stronger polling, better polling in the next three or four days. there were a few surveys dripping out that suggested maybe smaller bounce for the trump campaign and i think they really needed a bounce because the democrats, as julian said, didn't get any bounce out of their convention but that may not be because they put on the back convention, it could be that joe biden was at or near his stealing already, the trump campaign being let's say seven

or eight points behind you consistently, they put on a good convention which i think they really did, it was an achievement, and then with everything else playing out in the streets of america, which we will talk about in the next segment, if that combination didn't add up to some sort of bump i think it would be close to panic button time for the campaign, so i think for now if i had to guess i think you'll get a couple points. i think that will pull things closer to him margin of error race, the debates are looming and could be potentially decisive. >> chris: about a minute left in this segment, where do you see this race post-convention on the cusp of september? >> i guess i see it similarly to guy. i'd say after all the conventions, a marginal advantage to trump, surprisingly enough, because he was so far behind and i think one little towel is that joe biden is not just leaving the basement of his house, he's going to minnesota. where the polls have really

tightened and in that particular great lakes state, which is usually a democratic state, the fact that joe biden feels he has to campaign there i think suggests that they are concerned about that, you know, white working-class belt where they lost the election last time and even a place like minnesota. >> chris: that's interesting, a someone who cover the reagan campaign, that's the only state that the democrats won but trump almost wanted -- i think the margin was 1.5, two points in 2016. i agree with you. if the democrats are worried about minnesota, that's not good. >> well, i think they have reason to be. >> chris: all right. >> that's why they are sending joe biden there. >> chris: i'm sorry, say that again? >> i just said the democrats

after labor day are sending joe biden to that state, that's one of the reasons. >> chris: all right, panel, we have to take a break here, but when we come back, as guy suggested, we will discuss what may be the two biggest issues in this campaign, at least right now, the fallout from the pandemic and violence in american cities. ♪ ♪ come on in, we're open. ♪ all we do is hand you the bag. simple. done. we adapt and we change. you know, you just figure it out. we've just been finding a way to keep on pushing. ♪

/ we've just been finding a way to keep on pushing. >> look what happens with his demands. people die. people get together. they don't wear masks, they end up getting covid, they end up dying. >> chris: joe biden betting that voters will focus on the coronavirus and president trump's response as they vote this fall, and we are back now with the panel. gillian, it seems to me the two campaigns have very different theories about how this race is going to run.

that the biden campaign is focused on the coronavirus and how it has been and should be handled, the trump campaign focusing much more on violence in the cities and this question of far left social policy. we will get to that second part in a moment, but gillian, who do you think is winning the argument at this point over the coronavirus? >> well, for months, the conventional wisdom has been that if voters go to the ball focus on coronavirus, that's going to help former vice president joe biden. if they go to the post focused instead on law and order, that is going to help president trump at the real problem the country faces, chris, is now entirely transcending that dynamic because over the last two months we have really enter territory where domestic terrorism is becoming systemic. whenever you have groups of americans gunning down other americans in the streets because of the color of their skin or because of what they believe, that is the very definition of domestic terrorism.

it's not a problem that can be solved with one vote or even in one election season. we now have a terrorism problem, not a politics problem. i don't know how you solve that quickly. i don't believe there's a country in history where it has been solved over the course of one election. >> chris: guy, do you agree with that, that the question of disorder in the streets, and i guess what gillian is talking about, domestic terrorism is some of the violence by protesters and some of the violence by counter protesters, do you think that that has now eclipsed the virus as people's top concern? >> i'm not sure if the top concern but it's a growing concern and i think that's part of the reason why president trump may have some momentum in this race but i can't really envision a scenario where two months from now, in a few days -- so use of the number of days, roughly two months away from the selection where

coronavirus will not be the biggest issue hanging over everything and i would say they are related, actually, in a number of ways. the other big issues, if you will, are economic concerns that are tied almost exclusively to coronavirus and i think some of this violence and anger and unrest in the streets is fueled by this environment that we've all lived through for the last number of months, people are kind of losing their minds and i think that goes back to lockdowns and all these other fears that have been simmering and stewing, so it's a sort of toxic mix of issues but looming over all of it is coronavirus and i think how that is looking, how the facts on the ground are looking, let's say mid-to-late october, that is a decision-making event or situation -- feeling better or feeling worse, i think it's almost impossible for the

president to win reelection. >> chris: relatively speaking, we didn't hear a lot about the coronavirus at the g.o.p. convention, certainly not as much as we heard of the democratic convention. instead, we heard messages like this. >> they want to steal your liberty, your freedom. they want to control what you see and think. >> it's a horror film, really. they will disarm you, enter the presence, lock you in your homes and invite ms-13 to live next door. >> chris: chuck, do you think that the president and republicans can change the focus -- gillian phot don mike suggested maybe the focus is already been changed but the degree that it hasn't, can change the focus of the virus to the concern that far left mcgrath are going to run your lives and not going to protect her safety? >> well, i think when people say they're concerned about the coronavirus, they are sometimes

not necessarily saying the same concern that they have. i mean, everybody i guess is afraid of getting sick. there are a lot of people who say when you are caree -- my sml business is suffering and the lockdowns are an overreaction and on that length i think trump wants to talk about the coronavirus and you hurt a little bit in those clips, but i think what's interesting here is the coronavirus -- excuse me -- as kind of been in our system now since march. the urban violence, particularly in kenosha, where so much was destroyed, it's kind of like a fresher, newer -- fresher is a bad word, but it's a newer element in the political system. in the political situation that is now newly being factored into a lot of people's thinking. entities giving the president an opportunity to kind of change the subject a little bit from

the coronavirus because of that. >> chris: gillian, you know, sometimes i look at a political situation and i say i don't know how they should handle this, but this one seems so obvious to me, that the democratic message early on, and certainly at the convention should have been luck, we are against police brutality, we are against, you know, whether it's kenosha, which hadn't happened yet or george floyd, which had happened. on the other hand, we are also against her overreaction by protesters and violence and chaos in the streets like portland. did the democrats make a huge unforced error in not making exactly that point at their convention? >> it's hard to say. honestly. because biden has got a lot of criticism because it took him nearly three months to the day from the killing of george floyd by police officers in broad daylight in front of other americans to condemn the counter

violence that has erupted after that. if you have to always start with the point here about the killing of george floyd by police officers was the original sin that ignited the summer's around of rioting and protesting. it's very hard to say that that was a mistake, however, because the second you start condemning the counter violence, it creates room for what we've seen, which is the abuses by law enforcement. my father, my husband, half my family comes from a country, south africa, where black people have been for a period of time, several decades routinely killed for being unruly, that's not a country any of us americans really want to live and so i think biden is trying to tell that line. it's very politically risky territory but i don't think you can say it's a category -- to not go hard on protesters.

>> chris: i've got less than a minute for you, guy, and i'm going to press my point. it doesn't seem to me it's that hard to say what happened to george floyd was unacceptable, but when you start seeing looting, oftentimes in african-american communities, that's unacceptable too. am i wrong? >> no, you're right. it shouldn't be hard, and yet it was impossible for the democrats to even make that distinction once over four nights, so respectfully disagree with my friend gillian, i think it's pretty clear-cut. democrats made a mistake, they decided not to address or even acknowledge that there are riots in the streets and now they are trying to clean up because it's becoming an issue that could hurt them but it could be too little, too late in some respects. >> chris: gillian turner, unfortunately, the guy gets the last word but you can save it for the commercial. see you next sunday. up next, our "power player of the week," an inside look at the tech that campaigns are using

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♪ >> chris: the coronavirus has blown up 2020 campaign plans, but those campaigns are still finding ways to make their pitch. our "power player of the week" explains how technology is taking over politics and the pandemic. ♪ >> texting is the new handshake

because handshakes are fundamental the political process. and with covid now texting is the next best thing. >> chris: in 2020 with no glad-handing and campaigns reluctant even to knock on doo doors, company like thomas peters rumble up or helping political candidates connect through text. pioneered by the bernie sanders campaign in 2016, campaign texting has exploded. >> more people text everyday than are on facebook every day. >> chris: why is texting better than a phone bank to >> because so few people pick up the phones anymore but 90% of texts are open and read within . >> chris: rumble up software allows campaign volunteers to text one-on-one with potential voters. a single texture can reach out to and get feedback from hundreds of people in different chat threads. the company gave us a demonstration. >> people are responsive today.

>> these text conversations are real -- >> chris: how many conversations can a volunteer engage in at the same time? >> about 500 per hour. it is the most scalable way of communicating. >> chris: scalable, but still personal. one volunteer unknowingly texted a voting reminder to a man facing a personal loss. >> had father -- his father had passed away the day and the volunteer did a 180 saying i'm so sorry, i will be praying for you and later in the day he got a text message back from not gentlemen, i made it, i went and i voted. >> chris: peter said when the pandemic it campaigns using his software knew how to respond. before the 2018 midterms, hurricane michael tour through florida. that state's switched from campaign mode texting people how to find resources. in the covid area, peter says his client text volume has

doubled. >> we are averaging about 5 million a month and then we went up to about 10 million a month. >> rumble up is now working with the house and senate campaign committees as well as senate majority leader mitch mcconnell and house g.o.p. leader kevin mccarthy. so, how big will this get? >> will probably end somewhere over 500 billion texts sent. >> chris: this year, this campaign, 500 million texts. >> for me it's ultimately helping good candidates and causes get the message out and connect with people personally. >> chris: peter says there are ways to avoid political texting if you reply stop to one of his texts. since the campaign will do just that. and that's it for today, have a great weekend we will see you next "fox news sunday." ♪

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