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our new set where we can dance together once again. in the meantime, let's end this week with a dance from our one year >> bret: i'm bret baier. unprecedented supreme court leak ricochets through washington, sparking questions about motive and protests across the nation. ♪ ♪ the high court looking poised to overturn roe vs. wade. today questions about who would leak the draft opinion, and calls for protests at conservative justices homes. and catholic churches, which the white house refuses to condemn. >> secretary psaki: we certainly encourage people to keep it peaceful and not resort to any level of violence. >> bret: we will ask a public and senator lindsey graham about the investigation, the fate of roe, and the political fallout. then...
>> this is about a woman's right to choose fully. we are not looking to compromise something as vital as this. >> bret: democrats push ahead a bill that would legalize abortion nationwide, but they don't have the votes. we will discuss with democratic senator chris murphy, only on "fox news sunday." plus... >> feels even better than i thought it would. >> president trump's pick for ohio senate surges to win the republican primary with all eyes now in pennsylvania. >> and the rest of the world is watching us. >> bret: we will bring in our sunday panel on the primary fights ahead. and we are on the road to the midterms in west virginia with an inside look at a deep red battle in the mountain state. >> someone has to want to work for west virginia. >> bret: all right now on "fox news sunday." as a co ♪ ♪
>> bret: hello again from fox news in washington. this mother's day the nation is newly divided over one of the most controversial issues of our time. the leak of a draft supreme court opinion that would overturn constitutional abortion protections in place for nearly 50 years under roe vs. wade. if the fallout from the stunning revelation opening up new fronts in this year's midterm battlegrounds, raising the questions of in the high court and sparking a wide investigation into who would leak this, why, and why now. in a moment we will speak with south carolina's lindsey graham a member of the senate judiciary committee, but first let's turn to lucas tomlinson at the white house with the latest. lucas. >> bret, protests have shifted from outside the supreme court into the neighborhoods where some of the conservative justices live. pro-choice advocates gathered near the homes of justices brett kavanaugh and john roberts, hoping they can change minds. >> you don't care if people die!
>> but just as clarence thomas saying "we can't be an institution that can be bullied to giving you just the outcomes you want." this mother's day there are even some calls to protest outside catholic churches and catholic advocacy groups want the attorney general to make it clear protests at churches would violate federal law. the white house refusing to condemn the leak or the cause for protests. >> secretary psaki: the president would want people's privacy to be respected. >> the court pressing ahead with an investigation to how the draft was shared with "politico." of lawmakers slamming the breach. >> releasing it was an attack against the independence of our federal judiciary. >> and democrats planning a vote on whether to codify roe. >> every senator will be held accountable. reproductive rights will be on the ballot this november. >> the president seizing the moment to put aside as the movement and taking aim at a
republican tax proposal ahead of the midterm elections. >> president biden: let me tell you about this agenda. it's extreme, as most maga things are. >> right now biden getting ready to embark on his first trip to japan at south korea's president this month, topics will include russia, china, and north korea. bret. >> bret: lucas tomlinson reporting from the white house. lucas, thanks. word today from the u.s. embassy warning americans in russia to avoid annual victory day celebrations there as tensions over the war in ukraine grow. trey yingst has more live on the ground in kyiv. trey. >> bret, americans in russia are being urged to avoid the annual victory day parade and similar celebrations at the country's invasion into ukraine continues. if the u.s. embassy in moscow releasing a statement saying "given the ongoing tensions, u.s. citizens should avoid large public gatherings. the warning comes as ukrainian
officials worry russian president putin will use victory day to launch a larger mobilization of forces and try to finish capturing the city of mariupol. they continue to fire on a steel plant housing ukrainian soldiers. on saturday, ukraine's debit or prime ministers that all civilians have been evacuated from the facility. fighting does continue across the region, where a war of attrition is developing. ukraine's second-largest city, forces have been able to push back a new russian advance and here in the capital of kyiv, we have heard air raid sirens throughout the day as this city remains in russian sites. bret. >> bret: trey yingst reporting from kyiv ukraine. thank you. if joining us now from south carolina, senator lindsey graham. welcome back to "fox news sunday." >> senator graham: thank you. >> bret: center, we will get to the supreme court in just a moment but first i want to talk about ukraine. you have these intelligence leaks about targeting russian generals, sinking russian warship. does that make war likely
between the u.s. and russia? in other words, does that leak in the intelligence targeting equal heavy weapons, planes, in the eyes of putin? how do you see it? >> senator graham: you know, putin winning is a disaster for the united states. that means he's going to move forward further in europe, he's trying to rewrite the map of europe. if putin wins, then taiwan is probably going to be invaded by china, but if putin looses, then i think that's a great day for europe, a great day for the united states. we need to triple down on our willingness to help the ukraine. we need to pass a $33 billion supplemental package, 20 billion for weapons. we need to work with international criminal court to gather evidence to prosecute putin personally. we need a resolution that i have with senator blumenthal, a democrat, to designate russia as a state sponsor of terrorism. we need to pour on, put more weapons in theater that can
strike the russian military offensively. so i want to triple down on beating putin. burns said today, the cia director, that putin would double down because he can't lose in ukraine. i want to triple down, because we can't let him win in ukraine. >> bret: senator, tom friedman with "the new york times" writes this today. "we need to stick as tightly as possible to our original limited and clearly defined aim of helping ukraine expel russian forces is much as possible. negotiate further withdrawal whenever ukrainian leaders feel the at time is right. boasting about killing his generals and sinking his ships or falling in love with ukraine in ways that will get us enmeshed there forever is the height of folly. your thoughts? >> senator graham: i couldn't disagree more. people like that said that we could deter russia through sanctions. effort to deter russia through rhetoric and talking to us dominic tough and acting weak didn't work. we are in a fight for the future of europe. nato needs to get bigger, not smaller. if finland and sweden join nato
in europe breaks away from dependence on russian oil and gas and putin has declared -- is declared a war criminal, it would be the best outcome for the world, writ large. china would be less likely to go into taiwan, so i disagree. i think we should do everything within our power. i'm not asking for troops on the ground, but to make sure that ukraine can expel russia and that putin is a war criminal in the eyes of the world and he's prosecuted. putin must go. i like tom friedman, but if you don't understand this, that if putin is still standing after all this, then the world is going to be a very dark place, china is going to get the wrong signal, and we will have a mess on our hands in europe for decades to come. so let's take out putin by helping ukraine. >> bret: so you are saying that that's how this ends, that putin is removed? >> senator graham: there's no off-ramp. >> bret: there is no offer in. >> senator graham: no off-ramp. let me tell you why there's no off-ramp. ukrainians are not going to give the east to putin to stop the war. if they are going to fight for every inch of their territory.
if we push the ukrainians to give up half the country, then putin wins. if we back off prosecuting putin as a worker middle, all the laws on the books become a joke. if we don't get this right, china will certainly invade taiwan. there is no off-ramp in this war. somebody is going to win and somebody is going to lose and i hope and pray and do everything in my power to make sure ukraine wins and putin is in charge of estate -- state sponsor of terrorism, that designation needs to be given to russia. he's earned that designation. we need to pour it on when it comes to helping ukraine buried >> bret: last thing, at what point do you think putin is going to move on mulled over or poland or some other way that draws the west in? do you think that's inevitable as he gets more desperate? >> senator graham: mulled over is not part of nato but i do believe he could use chemical weapons because the people in mariupol are fighting like tigers. if he uses chemical weapons to subdue the east, that should lead to a no-fly zone by nato to
restore their international order. if he explodes a nuclear weapon is cited ukraine to break our will, than to me that would be an attack on nato because the radiation would go all over europe. i could see him getting more desperate, because there is no off-ramp for him. here's what i think will happen. if we stick with ukraine, they are not going to give up. over time the russian people will turn on putin. this war is a disaster. you'll see a parade monday, but the parade doesn't reflect the russian military. you see the russian military getting there ass handed to them on the battlefield in ukraine. we can win this war on behalf of ukraine if we help them. >> bret: let's turn to the supreme court. many experts have called this leak of a draft opinion a dangerous precedent. how do you see it, and what's ws the potential for political republicans, frankly? >> senator graham: for the court it's a betrayal of just buried chief justice roberts said it better than i could ever say it. it's a better betrayal of trust. can you imagine going to work the next day and looking around
at your colleagues, who did this to the court? what will happen if the opinion sticks? and here's what's important. at least in february there were five votes that led to this draft opinion to repeal roe v. wade. i think roby wade created a constitutional right that doesn't exist in the written constitution. it's created division from the first day it was decided until now. if it does get repealed, which i hope it will, the issue goes back to the states, but congress will still stay involved. my democratic friends are trying to pass a law wednesday that will allow abortion right up to the day before the baby is delivered. different states will take different approaches, so the abortion debate will not go away in the country, it will be decided by the people, not a handful of judges. >> bret: will abortion now galvanize -- will abortion now galvanize the left as it has for the rate politically? do you fear that heading into the midterms? >> senator graham: single-issue voters seldom decide the outcome of an
election. enthusiasm is important, but here's what i would say. elected officials elected by the people now have a say about abortion, first time since 1973. that process will move forward. i don't believe it's going to change the outcome of the 2022 elections at all. when you go to the grocery store and when you go to a gas station, that's going to remind you the incompetence of the biden administration. you look at the southern border, this is not going to take people's eyes off of rocket inflation, broken border, insecure america. >> bret: just on the substance of the ruling. if it turns out to be with us draft opinion suggests, some senators are now openly questioning whether they were misled in the confirmation hearings. here is justice kavanaugh, and you did some of the questioning, in his confirmation hearing. of the supreme court entitled to respect under principles of star indecisiveness. and one of the important things to keep in mind about
roe v. wade is that it has been reaffirmed many times. >> bret: entasis from from senator susan collins this week. if this leaked draft opinion is the final decision on this reporting is accurate, it would be completely inconsistent with what justice gorsuch and justice kavanaugh said in their hearings and in our meetings in my office. what do you say to that? >> senator graham: well, you cut off my question, because i asked judge kavanaugh, would you consider challenges to roe v. wade, would you listen to both sides? would apply the doctrine of starry to sizes, but the party -- this has not been well accepted by the public. the public has been divided since 1973. ask your next guest, who is a good friend, does he want the court to reconsider citizens versus united regarding campaign finance laws? what he welcomed a revisiting of the heller decision where the courts of the second amendment was a personal right?
so my liberal friends don't mind the court overturning decisions they don't like. they very much are against overturning decisions that they agree with, so you can't bargain your way into getting onto the court. so any senator who tries to bargain with a nominee will you uphold the case i like or overturn the ones i don't is really doing a di disservice toe court. >> bret: going back to the policy, senate minority leader mitch mcconnell saying it is possible that a federal ban on abortion could happen. >> senator graham: well, wednesday we're going to take a vote by senator schumer, who is insisting we vote, to legalize abortion to the day before birth. that would become the law of the land, but they don't have the votes for it. i have a bill that would outlaw a potion 20 weeks. we are 1 of 7 nations in the world that allow abortion on demand at 20 weeks. the fifth month in pregnancy. so congress will continue to
debate this issue, the states will finally have control over this, and here's the one common thing. if you don't like the outcome of the abortion debate, now you can kick people out of office who actually vote before you were shut out. you had no avenue. five judges, six judges, seven judges determined when life begins and how it ends, and i think that was wrong from the start. now finally elected officials have a say about life and the conditions of an abortion. i think that's the way it should be. >> bret: senator graham, thank you, always good to talk with you. >> senator graham: thank you. if >> bret: up next, growing protest across the country outside the court and also outside the homes of conservative justices. we will talk with democratic senator chris murphy about the movement and what the draft ruling means for democrats in november. ♪ ♪ in some sort of lover's quarrel. no, no, no. they're both invested... in green energy. and also each other. digital tools so impressive, you just can't stop.
♪ ♪ >> bret: within days, we could see a procedural vote in the senate on a bill that would codify roe vs. wade, or more plainly speaking, attempting to pass a federal law guaranteeing the right to obtain an abortion in all 50 states. the plan is in effect an attempt to send the political message head of the midterms because senate democrats like the votes. joining us here in washington, democratic senator chris murphy of connecticut, welcome back. >> senator murphy: thanks for having me. >> bret: first went to talk
about this draft opinion. the white house hasn't really condemned the leak. why is that? >> senator murphy: well, i don't like the way that this decision came out, but the outrage here should be about what's going to happen to women and families in this country and the fact that women and doctors are going to be sent to jail immediately when this opinion becomes a reality, if in the states with trigger laws all of a sudden abortion under any circumstance is -- even rape and incest becomes criminalized. i don't love other decision ultimately was made public and i hope we figure out what happens, but i think it's interesting that my republican friends are putting their focus on the process here because they really don't want to talk about the fact that abortion becoming criminalized is something that a sort of small minority of the country supports. two-thirds of this country is going to oppose an effort by the supreme court to fundamentally
change the scope of women's health care access in this country. >> bret: just to get process out of the way, are you concerned about the protest outside the homes of justices and what's happening with that to there are some websites that list all of their addresses. there are some tweets: court assassinations should this president be speaking out about that? >> senator murphy: no one should be threatening violence against a supreme court justice or against any member of congress. i will be honest, i had plenty of protests right around the corner from my house, over the course of my time in public service. but, you know, any threats of violence are beyond the pale. >> bret: the senate is set for this procedural vote this week on this bill that's failed once before. to codify roe. several g.o.p. senators, and you just heard senator graham talk about it, narrower compromise. why rolled that out? >> senator murphy: well, it was not open to any potential
pathway to codify roe vs. wade, to get our nations laws to where 67% of the american public are. and i think it's important that we put senators on record, because let's be clear, lindsey says this is about the decisions being made at the state level. that's not what's going to happen here. if republicans get control of the house and the white house, which certainly could happen in the next three years, they are absolutely going to pass a national ban on abortion that will affect every single family, every single woman in this country, and so it is important right now that we get every senator on the record. do you support a woman's right to make decisions over their own body, or do you think that the government should be in charge, because this is soon not going to be about state legislature. pretty soon this is going to be an effort to pass a federal ban everywhere on abortions in this country. >> bret: how much do you think this ruling, if it stands, affects the midterms for democrats? >> senator murphy: well, i think it's going to be a huge
turnout push, but not just for democrats. the big middle of the country, in fact the majority of republicans in his country oppose the full overturning of roe vs. wade, so ultimately i think this is going to push a lot of people to the polls this november that may have otherwise stayed home, because they see that this fight is coming, not just in the state legislatures, but in washington as well. >> bret: it's already having this impact, progressive candidate is challenging pro-life democrat henry cuellar in texas and she says democrats should stop supporting him over this. take a listen. >> with the house majority on the line, we have to very much be the deciding vote in the future of productive rights in this country, and we just cannot afford that risk. >> bret: you put out a statement this weekend that says it's time to build upon the movement to elect pro-choice candidates up and down the ballot.
so the question is, do you kick off pro-life candidates, would he leave because he's a pro-life democrat? >> senator murphy: that's up to the people of texas, i don't make endorsements. >> bret: should be pro-choice up and on the ballot? >> senator murphy: listen, i support pro-choice candidates, i support pro-choice democrats. i think we are better off if we have people in congress that are going to support a woman's right to choose, but that doesn't mean that i'm going around the country endorsing congressional races in texas and other places. >> bret: democratic candidate for senator in ohio, and tim ryan also safe the stance that the senate filibuster should go away. senator bernie sanders says we must end the filibuster to pass it with 50 votes, you said democrats don't have the votes to end the filibuster, but i mean, is this moot because you just don't have them? >> senator murphy: we don't have the votes right now, and frankly i think the filibuster is fundamentally antidemocratic.
i think if you win control of the house, the senate, and the white house, you probably should have the ability to enact your agenda. frankly, whether the democratic party or the republican party. >> bret: and you would have that same thought in the minority? >> senator murphy: i would. and i think it's pretty clear to me that if republicans get control of the senate, they will get rid of the filibuster in order to pass a national ban on abortion. they got rid of the filibuster for supreme court justices for the explicit po would strike down roe vs. wade, and so i thinould also change the rules to pass that national abortion ban if they win control of the senate in this next election. >> bret: so senator sanders also says he supports a primary challenge to moderate kyrsten sinema. do you? because she's against doing away with the filibuster? >> senator murphy: i don't mind having a big tent, right? we can sort of argue these
issues inside our party. i don't ever expect that we are going to have every single democrat in the united states senate supporting the same rule set that i support. i just think we should elect more democrats. that's how we are going to solve this problem, elect democrats in this november election. >> bret: but not pro-life democrats? >> senator murphy: are going to support choice and support changing the laws of this country buried >> bret: so not that big tent. pro-choice candidates. >> senator murphy: i support pro-choice candidates. >> bret: i got. >> senator murphy: that's my priority. >> bret: this week the president criticized some of the potential policies floated by senator rick scott, he called them maga, and he talked about the movement, make america great again movement, take a listen. >> president biden: the maga crowd is the most extreme organization that has existed in american history -- in recent american history. >> bret: do you agree with that statement in that effort politically? i mean, it has echoes of
categorizing a whole bunch of people a certain way. >> senator murphy: i am very concerned about the sort of very quick hateful divisive turn that the republican party has taken. this effort in florida to sort of target gay kids in schools i just think is mean-spirited and something that i had not seen from the republican party when i first started out in politics 20 years ago. >> bret: i'm going to interrupt you. to target gay kids in schools? the bill is about not talking about sexual identity from k through third grade. that's not targeting gay kids. >> senator murphy: yes, it is, it's absolutely is. it is sending a message to these kids that they are not worthy, that they should be ashamed of their dedication. >> bret: it says, senator, but you don't teach subjects with gender identity. don't appearance have a right -- >> senator murphy: you think
these kids don't take a message from a ban on the discussion of their identity suggests that they are not worthy of existence in that school. half of the kit -- >> bret: you talk to kindergartners about sexual identity? >> senator murphy: half of kick trends kids in this country have quantified it suicide left because of the effort to bully them for their identity by adults in this country. so i absolutely do think that there's a message sent to these kids when you suggest that a conversation about their identity is somehow threatening the education of kids in our schools. >> bret: with your children, did you talk about identity as a kindergartner? you don't talk about the birds and the bees let alone the birds and the birds at that age. kindergarten through third grade. >> senator murphy: there was an amendment and the florida legislature to ban education in the early ages. that amendment failed because this wasn't about trying to protect children from a
discussion about it. this was an effort to specifically ban a conversation about topics related to sexual identity. >> bret: you were making a point that you think it's gone too far. i was saying half the country identified at least with that movement, the policies of the make america great again movement and you think that that's a good, winning thing for the president to be doing politically heading interventions? >> senator murphy: again, i just have seen this turn in the republican party where they are not willing to support protections for a democracy. they're willing to install a president in the white house who didn't actually win either the popular or the electoral vote. they seem to be targeting vulnerable kids in a way that they didn't ten, 20 years ago. i do think it's important to sort of talk about this very different element of the republican party that exists today that i don't think was the foundation of the party a couple
decades ago. >> bret: must think i'm a student loan forgiveness. this is a big debate. and you talk about working families. you talk about folks who don't go to college and you're talking about wiping out student debt. there is a former education department lawyer served under president obama who rode "if this issue is litigated, the more persuasive analysis tends to support the conclusion that the executive branch likely does not have the unilateral authority to engage in mass student debt cancellation." where are you? does he have the authority and argue for this? >> senator murphy: i think he has the authority to do it. i would support a more limited forgiveness of debt. i'm one of the few members of the senate that still has student debt. i don't need my debt forgiven. i also think that this focus on debt excuses the colleges for this dramatic increase in tuition. i sometimes think that our party spends a little bit too much time talking about the debt and not enough time talking about the cost of the degree, because that's where the real problem is.
we are going to be in a perpetual cycle of having to forgive debt if college continues to spiral upwards to $100,000 a year, so i think a limited debt forgiveness proposal is legal. i would support it, but i think it's a mistake to put all of our eggs in a basket. >> bret: senator murphy, we appreciate your time. >> senator murphy: thank you. >> bret: thank you. up next we will bring in our sunday grip on the supreme court leak, the investigation, and how this could further inflame politics in this court. ♪ ♪ i'm so glad we did this. i'm so glad we did this. i'm so glad we did this. i'm so glad we did this. i'm so... ...glad we did this. [kid plays drums] life is for living. let's partner for all of it. i'm so glad we did this. edward jones
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>> this leak at the court is the most egregious breach of trust of the court in the history of our nation. >> i completely condemn the leak and whoever leaked it, you know, should be prosecuted. >> bret: senators on both sides of the aisle condemning the leak of a supreme court draft ruling. it's time now for our sunday group. "usa today" washington bureau chief, susan page. fox news contributor juan williams. a former rnc can communications director doug heye, and national journals josh kraushaar. josh, politico's media writer writes that the court will recover from this leak, he sees a silver lining here. "the upside of the leak is grand, the public has gained a new awareness of work or majority plans to take the nation after a half-century of
legal abortion. what's your take? " >> george will called it institutional vandalism and compared it to the january 6th riots, so that is how much strain the institutions in our country on both left and right are handling it. i think politically speaking, bret, the impact is going to be on the substance, addressing democratics lawmakers starting to get engaged, starting to really run on offense on an issue where that had a really tough political environment throughout the year. but look, this is a real blow to the hollowed ground of the supreme court that these documents were leaked. i think it matters who leak them. it sounds like the initial instinct that it was someone on the left, but we don't know that. and i think finding out who did it and their political reasons for doing that is also very significant buried >> bret: susan, republicans say that is it heads into campaigns, they don't see this as a massive issue. however, you what "usa today" talked to the senate minority leader about the possibility at least of a federal ban of all
abortions. that's not would come out of ruling if it stood, that it would go to the states to make this decision. >> republicans have been very -- the consequences in the next step that might follow overturn an roe v. wade, but did tell one of my colleagues at "usa today" that it was possible that they would bring up a federal ban on abortion in the wake of the expected decision from the supreme court. and he made news in another way too. he said that he would not carve out an exception to the filibuster in order to pass a federal ban on abortion, but you know, you hear a lot from other players, democrats in partic particular, questioning whether that is the truth, whether in fact republicans would do what democrats have talked about doing, now unable to do, which is to get rid of the filibuster in order to do what they want to do on the issue of abortion rights. >> bret: juan, i asked senator murphy about this effort, this procedure about that's going to happen. they don't have the votes to lock the sin, to codify roe. why not take the narrower
moderate legislation from the lindsey graham's of the senate with some kind of stipulations? >> i think the key point here is that senator graham, senator collins, senator murkowski, the people who would offer some kind of limited approach, you know, the reality is these people are desperate at the moment given the political fallout, but also becausnk back, justice kavanaugh, justice gorsuch, they definitely lied to the congress, to the senate judiciary committee about respecting established law, stare decisis. 50 years, it's been nearly 50 years of a constitutional protected right to abortion for women in this country. and i remember senator collins got on the floor and hammered democrats for not respecting what kavanaugh had said. so i think there's a lot of fury there and fury to the substance, to what josh was saying, the substance of this, which is that the court is about to take away
a constitutionally protected right and turn abortion from a choice into murder. it would be murder in many of these states, one out of every four american women, by age of 40, has had an abortion, you're going to say these people are murderers all of a sudden? i think that's pretty terrible. right now in the fox poll, 63% of americans say leave roe alone, that includes a quarter of a republicans. i think there's a bill that says you can be loopholes, you can have a mississippi law, which is at issue in the court, go through. too many democrats it seems like a bitter pill at this moment buried >> bret: again, the caveat is that we don't know that this is the ruling that will be in the end. this is a draft opinion, but doug, clearly some democrats have hopes that abortion is going to become the issue that propels them, or at least saves some seats in an environment with recession, inflation, everything else. >> the conversation democrats have wanted to avoid for the past six months or even the past
year and now has been rising costs for not just gasoline, but absolutely everything that americans are paying for, certainly a grocery stores. rising violent crime in cities, the situation of the border. this gives them an opportunity to change the topic, but it's democrats in washington changing the topic, so we will have to see what races this really plays a role in, maybe some gubernatorial ones, pennsylvania potentially, but it doesn't change the dynamic that joe biden is out 41% popularity, 39, 43 dependent on the pole. when i was at the rnc, our magic number for an obama was 46, we felt that if he was at or below that we could take back the house. biden is well below that in this ruling, if is the road, doesn't change the fact that 60% or more feel that we are on the wrong track. >> bret: is there chance that there is an overshoot here in the in the middle of the country say that this is not something that drives me? >> you bet, and the more republicans talk about what will happen after this decision comes down, if it's this decision, what legislation would follow in half of the states in our
country, that is bad news for republicans. that is a conversation republicans do not want to have because of the risk that it counters concern about things like inflation. >> bret: and a conversation that people don't want to have to a lot of moderate democrats, late-term abortion restrictions. i asked tim ryan about it in ohio. he's not worked out an answer yet. >> there is a lot of nuance on the abortion public opinion. i think democrats run a risk if they don't favor any restrictions, any regulation at all, especially in a republican leaning state like ohio. the challenge for republicans is -- douglas dogma pennsylvania. wisconsin is another state where you have big governors races were if you elect a republican with a republican legislature, they could significantly regulate abortion or even ban it, and that is also outside of where the public is in those swing states, so both sides of vulnerabilities. they are eager to play to their bases, public opinion on abortion much more to the mid middle. >> those governors races to pick up again.
what you're hearing from the political strategists on the left, the democrats, is that in focus groups, those issues really matter. we don't know how it plays out in some of these senate races, and then secondly, in terms of the argument in this week was about enumerated rights. if there is no explicit right to abortion in the constitution. that then on the left, people are saying no express it right to gay rights, contraception, interracial marriage. >> bret: i wanted to one quick comment. when lindsey graham says there's no off-ramp for putin, he's obviously coming from a point of view, is it shared by a lot of republicans do you think you might >> it's a growing sense among republicans in the house on the senate that there could be no off-ramp for putin. if you're a republican, tough rhetoric on china and tough rhetoric on russia are always very safe places to be, so we will hear more republicans say things like this. >> bret: interesting. we have to take a break here. up next, we are on the ground in west virginia where it is republican versus republican in a deep red district. fox's hillary vaughn is on the
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♪ ♪ >> bret: "fox news sunday" is on the road to the midterms and following an interesting matchup in west virginia. the state is losing one of its house seats this year due to redistricting that occurs every ten years based off of census population figures. under the old map that you see here, there were three house districts represented by three republican lawmakers. however, under the new map mother are just two districts, leaving two current incumbents to battle over the same seat. fox business correspondent hillary vaughn traveled to the mountain state for an up-close look at this unusual race. >> david mckinley. >> let's make this thing happen. >> and alex mooney. >> good place for a victory
party. >> collects on capitol hill, but rivals back home. >> two incumbents running against each other. always uncomfortable. >> redistricting changes lumped their two districts together. now they have to face off house seat. >> you have to. >> mckinley says he's the only one born and raised in west virginia. >> that was the sight of my great-great-grandfather's house. >> and says mooney bought a house in the state just to win a house seat. >> can i count on a vote? >> mooney pitches himself as the only true conservative running. he says mckinley sold out, voting for the bipartisan infrastructure build that landed president biden huge legislative win. >> he should be ashamed of himself voting for the bill, we could have killed that bill, past something we could have afforded. he's got to convince republicans that was a good vote. good luck, man. >> both candidates have been campaigning with heavy hitters in the g.o.p. >> alex mooney! alex is in a big race.
>> mooney campaigning with former president trump. >> thank you, god bless. >> who was fond of mckinley four years ago. >> we like david, right? i like david. >> today it's mooney who has the official thumbs up. >> i never got the chance to talk to donald. i'm okay. i'm okay, i got the endorsement of all west virginia. >> instead, mckinley is at the trail of trump's former secretary of state mike pompeo and west virginia's governor jim justice. >> the only person i've ever endorsed. i don't get into politics, but in this situation, we can't afford to lose. >> at the governor parson of his beloved bulldog is on board too. >> says right now, vote, vote for david! [laughs] >> but it's an endorsement from democratic senator joe manchin that is giving some people pause. >> david mckinley is all about us. >> mckinley is asking like he's a rhino, it is his politics
like a democrat. >> joe manchin endorsed him, doesn't that change your mind? >> are you a rhino? >> i'm no more rhino than he is. i have a better voting record with donald trump. >> in the final stretch to election day, they are both campaigning in their own way. mooney on foot. >> no babies to kiss just puppies. >> all my doorknocking, i've never been bit. >> even going house to house and mckinley's hometown. >> i've had enough of your opponent. >> [laughs] anything in particular but in? >> no, he does things that i don't really care about. >> what about when he voted for the 1.2 trillion biden infrastructure? >> that's what really got me the most. >> mckinley has a different strategy different strategy. >> on to play politician. >> he's focusing on the job he's done and what he's delivered for west virginia. and even though his infrastructure vote is getting blowback, he doesn't regret it one bit. >> the condition of our infrastructure in west virginia, it's not rhetoric. this is rated d and f.
for someone to politicize this, that's wrong. this is west virginia. my vote is for west virginia, and i will stand pat on that. >> and mooney isn't ashamed to be west virginia by choice. >> so why west virginia when you first decided to move your? what was the reasoning? >> why am i west virginia and by choice? i love this state. there's lots of good reasons to live for. west virginia voters voted me in office to do a job, and i'm running on the job that i've done. >> both candidates know who wins tuesday is all most guaranteed to win the seat in november. they are leaving voters with a last word. >> yes, ma'am, trumped it endorsed me. >> what's the one thing you want voters to know about you? >> i guess i would like to say president donald trump endorsed me for a reason. i am a true conservative fighter. >> what is the one thing you want them to know about you? >> i care about them. i care about them. in my legislation, everything i'm doing is to help them.
>> bret: hillary vaughn reporting from west virginia. this is a fox news alert. just getting worried that the first lady of the united states jill biden has traveled to ukraine, being inside the country for about two hours along the border with slovakia. she met with the first lady of ukraine, and this is honestly the first trip for the first lady. it comes just before the big celebration in russia for their military parade tomorrow -- or rather monday. we are back with the panel. susan, seems like a big movement. it's not the president going, but it does send a message. >> it's a big statement by the biden administration to send the first lady to the area to have her go over the border into ukraine. we've seen a gradual escalation of the biden administration to support the effort in ukraine, to send heavier weapons, to offer more, because the cranes have delivered in this war. who would have thought at the
beginning of this war that we would get to victory day in moscow and moscow would have no victory to crow about. if the biden administration does not think it's realistic to think about ousting putin, as lindsey graham said to you earlier in the show. but they do think it is possible to weaken putin, that has already happen. >> bret: just saw pictures of the 21st ladies meeting. significant move, the president doesn't look like he's going even though president zelenskyy has called for him to come to ukraine today. canadian prime minister justin trudeau also on the ground and kyiv. >> i think these are statements from the west not only in support of ukraine, but in defiance of russia, because there's a risk. the risk is one of these people gets hurt or injured, and that potentially would go beyond escalation. i think we would be done in world war iii. so the idea that they feel confident and sufficiently comfortable making this step i think is a real strong statement, you know, given what lindsey graham said to you
earlier. i think that you're seeing now both parties and i think across the nato alliance and beyond, finland and others now saying this is our stand, this is the world saying it's not good if russia wins. >> bret: but this is a tough part, josh, and that is what is the ultimate goal for us? is it to get russia out of ukraine, or is it to get russia out of ukraine not including the dunbar's region and crimea? where is the line and do we draw it? >> the stakes have become much higher, and jill biden's visit is a sign of confidence i think from the white house that ukraine can actually win the war, but what happens if there's a stalemate? what happens if this goes on for months if not years to do we have the wherewithal, the patient's, the bandwidth to commit the dash you know, to continue to offer military weapons, money, everything else to ukraine for this effort? i think that's an open question
where putting all of our chips on the table, it's going to be interesting to see where this goes. >> bret: usually foreign policy doesn't play in midterm elections. this may be different. >> it's and emerging bright spot for joe biden who are so much trouble when it comes to his handling of the economy, the border, immigration. i think ukrainians have captured the imagination of the american people by doing something -- you know, it's kind of like it's a weekend for underdogs, right? in the kentucky derby and in ukraine, the underdogs are doing better than anybody expected, even to the point that we can talk about envisioning a ukrainian victory over the russian military? that would be extraordinary. >> bret: dug, turned to politics. speaking of underdogs, a lot of the former president 's endorsements are underdogs in primaries coming ahead. we just saw the west virginia race, we got the pennsylvania senate, idaho governor's, georgia governor race. talk about the stakes here. obviously a win with j.d. vance,
supporting him in ohio, what about this stretch coming up? >> may is a very important month for donald trump. what we saw in ohio, yes he won the primary, he only got a third of the vote, so you had basically two-thirds of ohio republicans saying that they didn't support donald trump's person. granted, most of those candidates running to be as pro-trump as they could be. one of the things that's really interesting is in north carolina. madison cawthorn endorsed by trump has a very tough primary on his hands. we talked about support for zelenskyy in ukraine earlier. he made news from saying zelenskyy was a thug and it seems every day there's another story about paying your family some corruption, some videos that would probably don't want to look at our talk about. he has a very real race in north carolina, it's want to watch. >> bret: speaking back to ohio. i mention tim ryan, had him on the show. one of the things i ask him is whether he wanted president biden to campaign for him. i asked it kind of three different ways.
>> i want to be the face and the voice of his campaign at i don't want any distractions. i don't need anybody to prop me up like j.d. vance did buried >> bret: i mean, that's the sitting president of the united states here. >> i don't think he needs to announce in may whether he needs biden coming in. you know, tim ryan is a very good candidate for ohio and, you know, timmy he wants this to be a local ohio contest. he wants this to be ten versus j.d. and if it's nationalized, you get a whole different set of dynamics, including the drag potentially from president trump's low numbers. but i think if you, you know, look at it, you have to say, he may want biden later in the race when he needs to pump up voter turnout and democratic strongholds like cleveland or raise money, the president has a real opportunity. but keep in mind, they have a lot in common. at one guys from youngstown, on other guys from scranton. they are both catholics, both moderates on the abortion issue
we've been discussing. so there's a lot of commonality and opportunity there as we go down the road in his campaign. >> bret: you are wrestling president -- referencing president biden's loan numbers, i put up that number for j.d. vance, but if you look at that, it means two-thirds of the g.o.p. primary voters didn't vote for him, so he has to really unite the republican party in ohio. >> yeah, trump was able to get j.d. vance over the finish line because there were a lot of other republican candidates, flawed republican candidates. the biggest tests are going to be coming up in georgia where he's trying to unseat a sitting governor coming up and a lot of other big states in may where the pennsylvania it's going to be the biggest one. dr. oz on the ballot. he endorsed him, a rally over the weekend, but he's facing some pretty fierce headwind for the republican party. >> bret: thank you, panel, see you next sunday. up next, a final word on the week ahead. ♪ ♪ (vo) while you may not be running an architectural firm, tending hives of honeybees,
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