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>> schieffer: april bob schieffer, today on "face the nation." what now after baltimore. a stunning announcement came. >> we have probable cause to file criminal charges. >> schieffer: the state's attorney charged six police officers in the death of ready gray and violence in the streets turned peaceful but the curfew continued overnight and underlying problems remain. we'll have reports from baltimore, we'll hear from naacp president cornell william brooks. and panel of experts and we'll talk with paul ryan, chairman of the house ways and means committee about his plans and latest on the tragedy in the mall. the good news from across the pond. britain has a new princess. it's all ahead because this is
"face the nation." captioning sponsored by cbs good morning, we begin in baltimore with cbs news correspondent wyatt andrews. >> good morning, bob. related to the demonstrations here in baltimore last night there was a much different attitude yesterday especially compared to the violence that we saw on monday night. the difference in that mood came directly from the charges that were filed against the police on friday that six officers involved in the arrest of ready gray. thousands of people marched on saturday first assembling around city hall then occupying an intersection in northwest baltimore close to freddie gray's home. plenty of anger was expressed but there was also celebration due to friday's arrest of six police officers on charges that range from assault to second degree murder. in a community not used to the arrests of police christine foreign forbes said it's about
time. >> lot of times they're notctions. justice was served. >> i heard the call, no justice, no peace. >> when it was announced that criminal charges were being filed the reaction on the street was unreserved joy. but reaction for legal experts has been more critical, defense attorneys familiar with the charges say they face uphill climb in court. >> i don't believe -- a baltimore defense attorney says the toughest case to prove is against the officer driving the van when gray was fatally injured. goodson was charged with second degree depraved murder charge that requires state to show that goodson injured gray on purpose. >> we know that the officer made extra actions. >> like slamming on the brakes. >> still the fact that charges were filed at all drained some of the anger from the streets.
baltimore police commissioner is anthony bess. >> now we have confidence that the truth will come out and truth will overcome for all. >> the violence may be over but baltimore will likely remain on edge as these charges and these officers head toward trial. and now freddie gray the man who simply ran from the police on the morning of his arrest becomes the newest symbol in the national conversation about unequal justice. bob? >> schieffer: wyatt andrews in baltimore. joining us now some the president of theornell william brooks he spent most of the week in baltimore. mr. brooks. the police union says these men are innocent. we know that this arrest was illegal. it was said that he had a switch blade and pocket knife. what happens now? >> what happens now is we have to weigh this process and see what happens. but the family of freddie gray
who lost their son, lost a brother, they have asked for justice. they have not rushed to judgment. encourage fraternal order of police to do the same. this is a moment where we're seeking the truth, we're seeking accountability and so to rush to judgment is not warranted. >> schieffer: ferguson as well very different situation in baltimore, you have a black mayor, a black police chief, three of the officers who were charged were african american. what i'm wondering are we at the point in america where we have to have black officials to deal with black people and white officials to deal with white people? seems to me there is still a great divide here. >> certainly there's a great divide but we need to be clear here. racial profiling is not require that all participants be white or black or anything else. fact of the matter is this
process of profiling communities and people have disproportionate affect on african americans. freddie gray was a young man who was detained, who was arrested where there was no probable cause. we live in country where african american men are 25 more chances to lose their lives at the hands. the fact that the mayor is black and some of the defendants are black, doesn't speak to the fact that we have young man had his vertebrae crushed his spinal cord severed who is dead. the point being is, we have to focus on how do we change this modality and model of policing that is badly broken and ineffective. racial profiling doesn't work. >> schieffer: shall we start with racial profiling,. >> people are suspected of --
so, that is -- which goes back to president george bush and attorney general john ashcroft. it needs to move. we're calling inment president and bipartisan coalition in congress to move on it. we need to end this practice. because it's harming and hurting and brutalizing communities. >> schieffer: what else -- let's talk about it in a broader way. there does seem to be a difference in attitudes here. >> when we have grown comfortable with the notion that african american people and poor people and young people can be brutalized at the hands of minority fraction of the police, we have to get away from that. we have a community baltimore
is the hometown of the naacp. the community which freddie gray died the community that thurgood marshall lived in. first african american on the supreme court. this hits home. this community is the beset by poverty. one out of every four citizens in baltimore lives below the poverty line. 35% of the children chronic poverty in this community. we have to look at housing, critical investments and workforce development and job training. have to invest in these communities because being poor and under resourced makes a community more vulnerable to profiling. an that's a conversation that we have to have and that congress and white house have to take action on. >> schieffer: more brooks we want to thank you for joining us this morning. we appreciate the work you did all last week in baltimore.
we want to go back to baltimore now and maryland state senate majority leader she was on the streets much of the week dealing with all of this. senator, thank you fo joining us this morning. >> thank you. >> schieffer: the curfew is in effect still, is it time for the curfew to be over? >> well i think it is time for the curfew to be over. but i'm not the mayor, i'm certainly not the governor but i believe that they're everything conversations around lifting the curfew and i think that they are pleased with what they have seen in baltimore in terms of peaceful demonstration that has taken place. i know they're in discussion i'm looking forward to the outcome of those discussions. >> schieffer: you were on the streets all week, of a you noticed a difference now, obviously, the violence has stopped. it's quiet this morning, but what is your impression about the mindset of the people of baltimore right now? >> well, let me first just say
for mayor our state's attorney she set the bar for the nation for how these cases ought to be looked at. with the pulse in the community is joyous in the sense that they feel that they got some sense of justice, at least justice moving forward. because as you well know bob what we have seen around the countryman 'of these cases never even come to trial. now we at least see justice moving forward. that the justice system can work. so we're asking people in baltimore to let the process go forward. but i think it raises even greater question bob. questions around race relations conversation, is that need to be had about the distribution of wealth, what we need to do as it relates to police reform. one of the things i'm advocating as the president of the national black caucus of state legislators we put into place laws that will require ongoing psychological testing of police officers after they have been on the job for certain number of
years because when i was talking to a social worker she said you know oftentimes i become desensitized to these kinds of conversations, so i can't imagine what police officers on our streets on regular basis if you don't have that culture diversity training, if you don't understand the psychology of the community then i think there ought to be this rotation of police officers over period of time as it relates to them serving our communities. as you well know they get paid through our tax dollars, get paid to protect and serve not to protect and cause these kinds of situations that we see in baltimore today. and have seen around the country. >> schieffer: you know, you have said that these demonstrations were effective but do you take that to mean or should we take that to mean that the violence was effective as well? is violence going to be the new call to action? >> no no, no. i don't think violence was the call to action. what you spaw on monday were a few people who acted out of
their own frustration or some people who took advantage of the opportunity to loot. but i think for the most part you saw displaced anger from individuals in our community. but i think for the most part following that began demonstration. the demonstrations began as result of what happened to freddie gray. and unfortunately for freddie gray he becomes the martyr or the person who becomes symbolic of what happened to many black men and people of color in this country for decades and had it not been for the advent of social media and the press shining their light on this particular situation, i don't know that we will have gotten this far in terms of what is happening with freddie gray. then with marilyn mosby state's attorney, i think that you will see around the nation people having discussions around race relation criminal justice
reform looking at communities like west baltimore similar to communities in other cities and other states around the country. i think that is why you saw the outbreak of demonstrations in various cities philadelphia new york, because people realize that this is more than about freddie gray. it's about the injustice that has been a across this country that is instilled fear in the eyes of individuals that you can't even look at a police officer and feel comfortable that you feel you've got to run away. we've got to have those discussions, but we also have to have discussion around income disparities that exist in neighborhoods. and what i want people to understand is that african american community is not monolithic we have folks from the very very poor to the very very rich. we're just a microcosm of america. there are communities throughout this nation that we have to fix. >> schieffer: senator, thank i so much for joining us. we are going to have more on this situation in baltimore but we want to turn now to the earthquake in nepal where the
death toll now over 7000. here is cbs news correspondent seth doane. >> a week after the earthquake a massive landslide stopped aid from getting in and showed what relief groups are up against. traveling on bumpy dirt roads we witnessed the challenge of simply getting around. we had to abandoned our van and walk to the hard hit village. the pace of proffer rehere is moving one brick at a time. the government should help us make shelters she told us but i don't have any hope they will. aid has not reached here, so left college to kathmandu to come home and help. >> your future is on hold? >> future is i think totally cancelled. >> a few hours away a sign along the main road made the dire situation clear. had a different few fewer in
mind for his 3-year-old. >> this is your daughter's shoe. this is all you have left? you have no pictures just this? >> yes. >> the home came crashed on her had this small daughter now i have nothing. in the wake of this disaster we found lives up ended and futures on hold as they try to grapple with unbearable presence. as that death toll has risen to incomprehensible numbers we found people here focusing on the few remarkable stories of survival. we were there when an elite usaid disaster assistance response team got the call that teenager's voice was detected coming from the rubble. for hours we watched and wonder understand it was possible that someone could survive for so long. he is finally free 120 hours after this earthquake. >> later we found the
15-year-old in fine teenage form snacking on oreos at a hospital. andrew of the los angeles county fire department was involved in the rescue. >> amazing to see somebody be freed, amazing to be part of that. it is a miracle. >> but miracles are few and challenges many. aid groups struggle to reach the most remote regions. u.s. marines were brought in to manage log jam of supplies and families living in tents wonder where to go next. despite the destruction, there is a sense that life here has to go on. there are signs of recovery small vendors have appeared on the streets again and small shops have started to reopen. eight days after this earthquake struck this country is limping back to life. for "face the nation," this is seth doane reporting from kathmandu, nepal. >> schieffer: we'll be back in one minute. was afraid. afraid of getting sick and having no health insurance. but when i got cancer,
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>> schieffer: we sat down with paul ryan, chairman of the house ways and means committee and spoke with him about the lessons of baltimore. let's see if we can, all of us, try and learn different perspectives. let's try and understand the anxieties that are underneath and beneath this. that's why i think all of us need to engage more as americans in these communities, where there is this anxiety, where there is this real despair, see what we can take from that learn from that have the kind of conversations where we can help heal these communities. >> schieffer: i know that after the 2012 campaign you actually made a tour of a lot of these communities. what did you find? >> i found that there are incredible stories of redemption going on right now under our noses, in the poorest communities of america that are just absolutely jaw dropping inspiring. that there's a lot we can learn from that. there's this is a series to see
these stories. what these stories in my judgment are the classic american principles being applied to the problems of the day, producing real solutions, getting people out of poverty. so what i thought was after 50-year war on poverty and trillions ever dollars spent, we still have the same poverty rates. 45 million people in poverty. what we as country, this isn't republican and democrat thing we as country need to say that's not good enough. we're not getting the results we need. what do we do to get results. best thing listen to people who are fighting poverty right now he is specially those who are overcoming it. >> schieffer: what can the federal government do? >> provide resources. what the federal government is bad at doing is dictating solutions. so what we have done at the federal government we have measured success based on effort input, how much money are we spending, how many people are on the programs.
rather than measuring success based on results, out comes, how many people are getting off of poverty and what i think federal government has done is displaced local problem solving with top down, one size fits all and it's not working. we need to go to outcome-based approach rework overhaul our poverty fighting strategies to be focused on results and outcomes. that means listening to people on the ground not telling them. booboos does it also mean federal government needs to make more money available? >> it it's really not a more money thing. it's spend the money we have more effectively. i think we need to do another round of welfare reform not to save money but to save lives. and so it's not a function of pumping more money into the same failed system because we'll get same failed results. it's rethinking how we attack. treat the symptoms of poverty. figure out how to go at the root --
>> schieffer: what would be one thing to attack the root causes? >> i would consolidate our federal poverty programs into to customize a welfare benefit for person's particular need. what you do when you stack up all these poverty programs on top of each other, this thing called the poverty trap where we're actually disincentivizing a person from getting on with their life and going to work, it pays not to take that job because of the benefits you lose. >> schieffer: how do you convince republicans that it is in their interest because as you well remember mitt romney pretty well said these are votes i'm never going to get. >> that's not what is in mitt's heart i can tell you that. this is right thing to do. it's not the american idea 45 million people in our country don't believe in it. the american idea the condition of your birth doesn't determine outcome of your life. anybody in this country can overcome their current
circumstances can make a better life for themselves and their kids. we believe that. there are lot of people who don't believe that. i think that's one of the lessons you get from baltimore. >> schieffer: another issue you are heavily involved in is trade. japanese prime minister was just here, he was pushing strongly for this big agreement trade agreement with the united states and other countries in our hemisphere. you're working with the white house on this. >> go figure. this is very important for our country. first we need to pass trade promotion authority empowers congress to make sure that we get the best trade agreement possible. but in a world where 95% of the world's consumers live in other country not our country we have to break down trade barriers to have more jobs here at home making and grow things in america to sell overseas. the problem is 23 you're standing still on trade you're losing. 48 trade agreements since 2000 we were party to two of them.
only two. as a result our share of trade is going down 42%. 3.2 billion people in the middle class in asia by 2030 enormous market if we take advantage of it. last point rules of the economy are being written write now there's no question about that. question is who is going to write them. are we going to write the rules of our allies or is china going to write them which is not in our interest. those are the kind of things that are occurring and being decided. that is why we on bipartisan basis need to engage on trade to make it fair more jobs, help america get ahead. set the standards. the kind of trade agreement we're talking about bring other countries up to our standards so we can have a fair deal because these countries can only come to america unrestricted. we don't have the kind of action cities their markets that they have to ours that's what we're trying to get with this strayed agreement. >> schieffer: paul ryan always a pleasure. i'll be back with personal thoughts about all this.
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>> schieffer: it is a great wrong that we've been trying to make right since founding of this country the racial divide between black and white. it took a civil war in many lives including that of president lincoln to end slavery. it took more lives to end the segregation that came in the years after that and this year we marked the 50th anniversary of the selma march one of the great turning points of of the civil rights movement. but that was far from the end of it. there was riots in 1956. riots after the the assassination of martin luther king, junior. los angeles in '92. in ferguson last year and now baltimore. the laws were changed but in too
many places not the attitudes the trials of o.j. simpson force us to recognize that whites and blacks can see the same thing and come to different conclusions. polls showed many whites thought simpson guilty, many african americans had an opposite view. i'll always believe that people of goodwill on both sides want us to be one country one great community where the whole is greater than the parts. but the lesson of baltimore is, we are not there yet. this goes beyond a misunderstanding between police and african americans. this is about all of us, divide remains and there is still much to do for people on both sides. back in a minute. just stay calm and move as quietly as possible. no sudden movements. google search: bodega beach house.
>> schieffer: welcome back to fakes the nation. the news from baltimore the curfew has been lifted. we hope that will bring the city one step closer to getting things back to normal. we're going to devote most of the rest of our broadcast to baltimore, what caused it and what is to be learned from it. we are first to los angeles and pbstavis smiley spent many years studying the consequences of poverty and tavis thanks for joining us this morning. do you think poverty is blame for what happened in baltimore? >> before i ask you a question right quick in case this is my last time on "face the nation" before you officially retire in a world where too many of us in this business focus on narrow casting you are the epitome of what it means fob our true broadcast, i very quickly want to thank you for so many years of your high quality work and witness, thank you bob schieffer, i appreciate you doing this great work all these
years. >> schieffer: thank you tavis. >> now to your question yes poverty is blame for this. i was moved by your commentary about what we were enduring 50 years ago we ought to be in moment of celebration now 50 years after the voting rights act and 50 years after civil rights act, what dr. king warned us about 50 years ago, bob we are still dealing with king warned us 50 years ago about this triple threat that was facing our democracy, racism, poverty and militarism. what do we see in baltimore and ferguson and beyond. racism poverty and militarism. poverty is clearly connected to this. my sense is that this is going to become the new normal. these kinds of uprisings and riots will happen lot more if we can't get serious about jobs, jobs, jobs with a living wage for all fellow citizens. >> schieffer: what did you think of paul ryan's approach? he's now the chairman of the house ways and means committee, one of the most powerful and in knew enshall posts on capitol
hill they control all the tax bills. he says we need to start thinking about what good are these programs doing. and he's combining a lot of these programs but he says they ought to be results oriented. ought to say, wait this hasn't worked. he notes that the poverty level is still very high despite all the money that has been pumped into it. >> we all want results i celebrate the fact on the right, starting to talk about this issue, which i think is threatening our very democracy. poverty now matter of national security in fact. at the same time if the answer is to cut programs that's not the answer to the prayers my grandmother might say. again, we can't get real serious conversation about jobs with a living wage then what's the answer going to be? my problem with these republicans is that they're against everything but can't put on the table what they're really for when it comes to job
creation. so for all the years that barack obama has been president we've been debating how to g economy started we can't get serious conversation about jobs. >> schieffer: do you think the president reacted properly at one point some of his people saying this is a local problem here in baltimore. >> barack obama had a great line, he said that our destiny is not written for us, our destiny is written by us. i agree with president obama in that but i think that means that we're going to write this next chapter correctly we have to be intentional about what in as a matter of fact we're going to do. my problem with the president so far respectfully is that he has had a sort of hands-off approach to a hands-up crisis. i don't think that's the answer to the prayer either. i think at the end of the day that we have to again be intentional. i think when you have police killings that are on the rise also that story front page new york sometimes that police killings are on the rise, not monitoring this as we should. we don't have the data that we should but the best guesstimate
the best estimate that we're seeing three fellow citizens' lives being lost every day to police killings. i can't speak for anybody else on the panel but for mena is a problem. that is pandemic. ought to call state of emergency, then get real conversation about police accountability. about civilian oversight and jobs for fellow citizens. >> schieffer: tavis, i want to thank you very much for joining us this morning. adding to the conversation. we look forward to reading your new book, by the way about one of my favorite people the late maya angelo. now to continue this discussion, sherrilyn ifi alreadyl is the president of the lnaacp legal defense, ramesh ponnuru is senior editor at national review julianna malveaux economist and author and
michelle norris, special correspondent for npr where she leads the race card project. and our old friend michael gerson. sherrilyn, let me start with you. you lived in baltimore for 15 years, what happened? >> well i think you're starting to see the results of what many people have been talking about and working on in baltimore city for a long time. one piece is without question the issue of police violence and engagement with young african american men. one of the reasons why i think what we do need now is for the civil rights division of the department of justice to enbeige in pattern and practice investigation of policing in baltimore city. without question, that is a real problem. what we also see is the result of this long standing segregation in the city of baltimore. in 2005 when federal district judge responded to a suit that many civil rights organization brought about public housing segregated public housing in baltimore he said that hud maintained public housing in baltimore as island reservation
where the poor were just deposited. so what we're seeing when we we look at those pictures on the camera, those neighborhoods we're looking at the results of this enforced segregation. we're looking at the cvs of course, but nobody is asking are there any supermarkets in that community? why is this a food december snort we're looking at engaged with her son and talking about trying to raise her six children. but no one asking about the failed transportation system in baltimore that makes it difficult for mothers like her rebound when there are jobs to be able to get to those jobs. so, infrastructure i heard congressman ryan talk about what we could do what the federal government can't do. what the federal government can do is exactly what it did when it decided it wanted to support white people and lift them out of poverty. it was infrastructure. it was federal housing loans, it was all of the apparatus of the federal government. transportation housing, education. >> ramesh, are you concerned that someone sees violence as way to make progress? >> well, that is always
something that needs to be resisted and combated i think that a lot of public officials have sounded the right notes on that. i think that the -- the ways of positive change that don't involve violence less likely to resource to that the less excuses are going to be made for that. i think that there are lot of things that can be done, not just by federal government but state and local government. >> julianna is it time we now know they have lifted the curfew, i think lot of people said it was time to do that maybe yesterday was one day too long. but i think they were just trying to be very careful about this. i think this is going to be greeted as good news by the folks in baltimore. >> absolutely. it's overtime and small businesses lost a lot of money on saturday night. fight night and people just weren't able to be out.
there's some dollars. the business community is going to pressure. but almost seemed like a plantation at some level that the overseers are deciding you can't go outside. even the legal observers were arrested. it's time to lift the curfew also time of overtime to look at the whole underlying issue as you spoke with tavis regarding jobs. this is the most important thing. to see congressman ryan come in talk about what the federal government should not be doing at the same time he's proposed 14 billion dollars in cuts in domestic spending, $14 billion in cuts. we know those cuts are going to come from prekindergarten education and from job training. that's ironic right now. >> schieffer: michael, you were in baltimore this week, you spoke with a lot of people in faith-based institutions i just be interested in knowing what they told you. >> well, i'll tell what you faith-based institutions
contribute. first of all they contribute a concern not just for victims but victimizers, people that will have to come back into communities, will need a second chance, will need to be reached that is i think an important role of the faith community in these matters. they're a bridge in the community when there are so many sources of division. they talked with gang members after the funeral. at the church that night after the funeral trying to work through these issues. so i think they contribute something pretty unique in these circumstances. but there's lot to be done at every level that's one of the messages that we got. >> schieffer: we all know the role that churches played in the civil advice movement in this country because back in those days there was no place for african americans to go and to be together. but in the churches and we know the remarkable impact that they had. michelle, what about this whole relationship between the police
and especially african american males, this is serious problem. how do we fix that? >> it is a serious problem. we know much more about it not because it is a new problem but because we now have devices that record these images that bring those images into our lives into our homes into these small devices that we all carry with us. and it's a serious problem that merits our attention. we talk about lifting the curfew, i wonder if we as a nation need to lift the vail and face our history. and figure out how we got to this moment. the policies that have led to the large numbers of people being cordoned off in certain areas of the city. the poisonous relationship between the police department and the black community and lack of trust. that just didn't happen. that happened -- it didn't happen by accident, but series of intentional policies. decisions that were made. in order to move forward it's like when you drive and you have
in the rear view mirror objects in your path look closer than they appear. that's a moment for us right now. we need to understand our history. >> schieffer: i bring this up as one who likes cops. my early years were spent as newspaper reporter on the police beat in fort worth. i came to understand how hard it is to be a good cop. but still having said that there is a lot of work to be hink that's an important point because we need to acknowledge that there have been major improvements in public safety over the last generation. and some of that has to be a result of what the police have been doing. and we acknowledge that as we also go about very necessary task of reform. >> you know, police officers are not, in my opinion properly trained. there is no requirement for them to have let's say b.a. degree or even a community college degree. these folks don't know sociology, by and large. or psychology. while they may be trained in tactics of carrying a firearm
how have they be trained in terms of interacting with people. >> that's a sliply slope. police officers and that job has been the job of the working class, right? on one hand you don't want to create a standard that leads people it from the ability to serve. at the same time i absolutely agree about training. the training i think that is missing is the training that helps police officers engage their own bias. bias that we all have, implicit bias. forget about explicit bias those officers should be purged from the -- >> schieffer: the good cops. >> the good cops need to speak up about the bad cops. that has to be breached by good police officers who have to recognize that bad police officers are giving them a bad name. then the police officers who want to do good have to be trained in deescalation. some of the incidents, rolling up on 1-year-old tamir ricin cleveland in the park with the gun and shooting him within seconds, rolling up on people
who are mentally ill and shooting them within seconds. how do you engage with the mentally ill? how do you de-escalate an encounter with a teenager. that's the training i think police officers across the country are missing and they have to have it. >> questioning the need for training, let's remember the baltimore police department says they didn't follow the procedures about seatbelts so you can have all the training you want, if you have got officers who are notfollowing their training there is going to be -- >> the first incident of a police involved killing in baltimore or only incident that would be the solution to the problem. but last year tyrone west was killed the federal government was called by the built mother police department to begin an investigation. before that it was anthony anderson it wasn't rough rides in those cases. we've got real police violence issue that has to be addressed. >> schieffer: we'll take a little break we have lot more to talk about in a minute.
google search: bodega beach house. bob we're back with more from our panel. i want to talk about toya graham, this is that mom who went out there saw her kid and here you see him she said "you get over here." she took him out of that picture. i've got to say, i know even our staff here in washington, some people think that was remarkable, some say well, you ought not be beating your children i've got to say i thought my mother had come back.
i don't believe in reincarnation , but i thought she was back. >> might talk about how black momma say i brought you in this world i can take you out. that was certainly example. but stacey patton has great piece in the "washington post" this morning that talked about essentially beating. this beating young people goes back to enslavement. for awhile i think she was absolutely right to basically chastise her son, this was a public humiliation of a young black man and excessive force. >> the reason for it is fear, that's what we should be paying attention to. she's a mom living in fear, fear in losing her son to the the street in that particular circumstance she didn't want me to become another ready gray. or police will retaliate in a way that should kill him. why should a mom like toya graham be living in that level of fear. that's what motivating her response. >> i just want to go back to something we were talking about
earlier in the policing in the city of baltimore, one of the issues here is just the chasm the grand canyon wide chasm between police department and the community. one thing we have to look at how many of those police see baltimore as their home. many don't live in the city, there's got to be some way to build some measure of trust between the police department and the people that they are there to protect and to serve. and that is just -- >> schieffer: i would just add this to the conversation and go on to something else. at my house there was fear. we were -- we feared momo we didn't worry about the police. we feared mother. that's why we behaved ourselves. michael, this is much broader than baltimore. >> this debate is fortunate that it's happening at the same time that we have important book that's just published "our kids" by robert putnam sociologist at harvard that describesment experience of children in these circumstances.
and talks about complex difficult problem of the collapse of the blue collar economy. the bifurcation of family structure in america. the decay of community, how these all connect with one another in very complex ways. and how police and law enforce. doesn't respond to that. you can keep a minimum amount of order but doesn't aggress the problems of institutional decay and failure. the question we need right now we need virtual competition in our politics of liberals and conservatives saying, this is the idea to solve this. this is the approach to solve this let's subsidize wages, encourage family tax reform let's take these measures. we've had a pretty carol discussion in the last few years, i think that is what we need right now. >> the economic issue, you're right on spot on in terms of talking about the economy. but the challenge there is that no one is looking at the structure of the economy. even if we were to raise the
minimum wages as national debate about $15 an hour which would be about $30,000 a year, which is blue collar, lower middle class. we have to talk about job generation. we haven't done that. congressman ryan talked about trade. what he hasn't talked about is the traps that will cost us jobs. they won't generate jobs. that is a conversation i think we have short term solutions to long term problems. >> dealing with the issue of concentrated poverty. many of us grew up poor. we have stories we were not people of means, we struggled through, that's because of the difference between being poor and living in concentrated poverty what we call these distressed neighborhoods. we brought this lawsuit we were able to show the affect on children of living in what they call distressed neighborhoods. not just that some people are poor it's that everyone is poor. it's that there are no jobs the infrastructure, the
concentration. we look at what the federal government can do or local government or local business can do we have to begin talk highway you break up the concentration of poverty that has such a deleterious affect on children. i frankly haven't heard any ambitious proposals that suggest how we do that. i return to the top, is going to require transportation, education, housing, all of those pieces to break away something what we see in west baltimore. it's fairiblible, but easy tobacco convenience mart. not a supermarket, it's not the kind of stores that are going to provide the support and structure that that community needs. >> schieffer: that's very interesting point. >> it's interesting we're talking about urban america just make one point. also see those concentrations of poverty, rural america as well. if you read the report much of that right now applies to rural. >> we are seeing conflict of how you handle these problems we saw from president obama earlier this week, this press
conference, we know how to solve these problems if we had the will we can do it. we can make these investments. chairman ryan saying, we don't know what to do we have to encourage local innovation and experimentation that's very deep seeded debate. i think that if you look at the record, your odds of rising out of poverty if you are a poor child are not any higher than they were before the war on poverty started. that i think suggests that chairman ryan is right about this. that we don't know -- it's not just a question of will, we need to have innovation and experimentation. >> schieffer: i don't agree with everything that chairman ryan said. you know, the fact that he is recognized at least there ought to be some engagement here. it seems to me that's some progress we look back to the previous campaign. at the top of his ticket who i think is a good man.
romney is a good person, whose smart in the right place. when he comes out says there's 40% of the people of this country i'm just not ever going to get their vote. i think congressman ryan his move from that. >> highlighted specific issues. maryland is one of the ten worst states in terms of regulating people going into low wage jobs. making it harder to do it. that needs to be dismantled that needs to be at least relaxed. >> i wonder if we should be talking about security and opportunity because it is a national security issue. and when you're talking about poverty one way to engage people who happen not to be living in poverty but should care about those who do talk about the security, not just of the people who live in these neighborhoods but our security as a nation. we need to -- new framework to talk about it. >> who was then housing secretary george romney saw those riots that you were talking about sat the top in
1968 saw those cities burning something has to be done. he said, the issue is segregation. and he worked very hard, he was ultimately ostracized in the nixon administration and fired but he believed strongly never had the opportunity to fully execute his plan that housing segregation was the key issue. i think that remains. we know that living separately will never bring us to the one america that you were talking about. >> schieffer: that's where where we have to end this. i'm sorry. we have run out of time. what an engaging discussion. thank you sahl so much. >> thank you.
>> schieffer: and the good news this weekend, it is a girl. great britain celebrated the birth of the new princess of cambridge early saturday morning. big brother george here with dad prince william went to meet his new sister at the hospital yesterday afternoon. later that evening prince william escorted his wife and baby daughter as they left the hospital and returned to their home at kensington palace. the name of the baby is not announced but already got adoring fans and from here it look like she can already handle a photo op.
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