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energy they've broufplgt second and 6. mccown has time. fires over the middle. caught by benjamin. first down and more! benjamin out of bounds at the 33-yard line, a gain of 8. poor tackling by san diego defensively. steve b.: ingram and perryman both have a chance to break on benjamin and they both miss the tackle. they kind of take each other out of the play and that let's the biggest playmaker for the browns in the open field down the sideline for a nice gain. andrew: we spoke with travis benjamin last night and he was telling us that in middle school when he was growing up in florida, he would chase rabbits through a sugar cane field. one day he got 20 arab bits, he took them home and cooked them. now everyone calls him the rabbit. he's certainly got the speed of a rabbit as the browns go back
to the ground. a nice clive -- drive for cleveland. for those of you expecting to see "60 minutes," you are watching the nfl on cbs, the browns and chargers. i'm andrew catalon with steve beuerlein and tack task and scott kaplan. the chargers lead 27-19. "60 minutes" will be off-season its entirety immediately following this game except on the west coast where it will be seen at its regularly scheduled time. 4:20 to go. duke johnson with a first down run for cleveland. steve t.: denzel perryman playing linebacker for san diego. tackling his teammate, duke johnson. both were at the university of miami last year. when you get to this point you have to start thinking, too, cleveland browns with less than four minutes, down by eight.
andrew: taking a lot of time here. 3:40 to go. play-action mccown. and that's caught. short gain by taylor gabriel with 3:30 to go. perryman makes the tackle. steve t.: great job by mccown to get that off. we've seen that so many times where the guy comes up the field and the quarterback throws it and it gets batted down. he had the timing off and it didn't give gabriel a chance to make anybody miss. andrew: 3:05 to go. it's second and 7 from the 20. mccown lofts one up for barnidge. juggling catch, incomplete! they're saying he was out of bounds. nearly an incredible play by barnidge. steve b.: yeah, he double caught
and it when he caught all right if -- for the second time he landed out of bounds. that's very close. that's very, very close. mike pettine may want to throw the red flag. i think i would. and he just did. all he has to get is that elbow in with control or a knee before he comes in out of bounds. very close. steve b.: it looks like the left elbow -- steve t.: his knee was down before his elbow was. that's going to be a catch. steve b.: the ball might have been bobbled though a little bit at the end. steve t.: this is going to be close. it's a catch in the backyard. it should be a catch here too. ♪ here is your egg mcmuffin. ♪ ♪
national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] andrew: mike pettine has challenged the ruling of incomplete pass, as we go back to new york. our officiating expert mike carey. mike, what did you see on this play? mike: i see very much what you do. the receiver bobbles the ball while he's in the air but gains clear control, gets his knee down then the elbow down inbounds, maintains control as he roll is around when he hits the ground. if i'm in the booth, i reverse this to a catch at the 1-yard line. steve t.: steve beuerlein and i are discussing it. i'm with you, mike but he thinks as he rolls over on his back he loses it. one hand comes off but i still think his right hand has control
of that football. mike: i'm with you, steve. number two steve. his hand comes off but the other hand remains firm on the ball. referee: after removing the play, the call on the field is reversed. the receiver had presentation possession and his left arm was inbounds at the half-yard line. first and goal at the half-yard line. andrew: mike carey, thank you very much. first time this season mike pettine has won a challenge and what a challenge it was. first and goal from the half-yard line. steve b.: now mike pettine's fear, obviously if they score here they're going to go for two. but his fear is if they do tie the ballgame, philip rivers is going to have some time left on that clock. andrew: first and goal for cleveland. duke johnson on the carry. up the middle. he didn't get there.
stopped at the line of scrimmage. it's second and goal. steve b.: i don't think he's going to but for the chargers, two time-outs left. steve t.: he might start thinking about it. if they do get it before the two minutes, you'd rather have the time-outs than the time. andrew: rivers watching. from the sideline. it's second and goal. mccown, quick pass. it's caught, touchdown! fittingly, it's barnidge! he made the big play on the catch and now mike pettine will go for two, try to tie the game with 2:09 remaining. cleveland has not attempted a two-point conversion so far this year. steve t.: that bringing out all their small wide receivers. this is a great throw. barnidge squeezes it right on
the goal line for the touchdown but now the browns bring on the small package. they go very light and very small at wide receiver. barnidge is still in the game and the five linemen. steve b.: the possibility here for josh mccown. he is a very mobile quarterback as well. always the possibility of a quarterback draw here in this situation. andrew: cleveland trying to tie the game. steve b.: and he's got a good look for the quarterback draw. nobody in the middle of the field here if he can get through that first line of scrimmage. andrew: mccown, quick pass, caught! and he's in! taylor gabriel ties the game at 27-27. through -- there are a lot of
cleveland fans behind that browns sideline and they are going nuts. mike pettine throwing the challenge flag, coming up big and we are all knotted at 27-27. steve b.: and what a great, great job by every member of the cleveland browns offense stepping up when they got a chance to make plays, from josh mccown all the way through to taylor gabriel at the end. barnidge stepped up several times, crowell, all of them. steve t.: that was a great challenge by mike pettine. he go the a call from the guys upstairs, they said yeah, we have a chance at that. well-executed drive all the way down the field. they wish they'd left less than 2:09 for philip rivers. but the chargers now are thinking this is still our game. all we have to do is get to the 35-yard line of the browns to give ourselves as legitimate shot at it. that's what they're thinking. andrew: after the game, time
permitting, "subway postgame show." the chargers have two time-outs and the two-minute warning. keep in mind san diego has a rookie kicker in josh lambo. his career long was set today at 46 yards. oliver back deem to receive the kick. oliver is going to take this one out. at the 20. and out of bounds at the 27-yard line. so the chargers will get the two-minute warning and then the two time-outs. out comes philip rivers. steve b.: and rivers has 24 game-winning drives in his career. trying to add to that total today. plenty of time on the clock with
two time-out, as we discussed. and there aren't many people in the nfl you'd rank above philip rivers in this exact situation. steve t.: but he's doing it with a completed offensive line and a depleted receiving corps. hands off to wood he'd. gets around randy starks. tackled at the 32-yard line. that takes us to the two-minute warning. all tied up in san diego. and you're all like... and then you remember there's verizon. which is great, because if you're going to get the best iphone wouldn't you want to have the best network? kinda makes you want to jump for joy. tell all your friends and family. even throw a party. get up to $400 when you switch to verizon and trade up to the iphone 6s. and now you can upgrade to a new iphone every year without the wait. so you'll always have the best iphone on the best network.
andrew: tonight on cbs begins with "60 minutes" and driverless cars, followed by the season premieres of "madam secretary," "the good wife," and "csi: cyber." only cbs. 12:57 to go. you see the goalposts there. the wind is calm. there was a storm front that moved through earlier this morning but should not be a factor for the rookie kicker lambo if he's given a chance.
the chargers have two time-outs remaining. from their own 32-yard line. rivers zings one to green with room to run. up to the 48-yard line, a san diego first down, a gain of 17. steve b.: san diego got lucky there. they could have easily called john phillips for a pick underneath. that's what sprung ladairis green. san diego got away with it. andrew: no-huddle offense for the chargers. time ticking as we approach 90 seconds to go. rivers fires sideline to keenan allen and he makes the catch at the 43-yard line. short of a first down. time continues to tick. steve t.: they have plenty of time this is obviously four-down territory. no need to hurry. they can run the football even
if they desire. andrew: they do it here with woodhead up the middle! danny woodhead tripped up at the 25 but san diego moves into field goal territory. a gain of 19. and mike pettine now wisely uses a time-out. because he knows that san diego is in field goal range and he's trying to preserve any time that he can get to get the ball back for his offense. steve t.: the cleveland brown defense saved it worst series of the day for the final one here. mike pettine doing the right thing, calling the quick time-out to conserve time but right now the chargers now, you can bet they're going to pull in the sails and they're going to run the football here. andrew: danny wood he'd has 10 touches for 134 yards today. he was with the jets when mike pettine was an assistant on the jets staff and peten told us
last night that danny woodhead is a matchup nightmare and unfortunately that nightmare has come true for pettine today as woodhead is coveraging over 13 yards per touch. each team with two time-outs remaining. steve b.: we will not see the ball out in the air again, i don't think, by the chargers at this point. andrew: woodhead on the ground. gets a couple. mike pettine immediately calls time-out. he has one left. 43 seconds remain. what a game we've had today. five lead changes, three ties, including right now. rivers to keenan allen for the first touchdown of the day but josh mccown has had a big day as well. duke johnson, his first nfl tony:. ladarius green going up to make that play and rivers, his third touchdown of the day to john
phillips. but cleveland comes back, mccown the touchdown to barnidge after his incredible catch, and the two-point conversion good to tie things up at 27-27. total yards almost even. what a game today here in san diego. steve b.: there's a huge difference between 1-3 and 2-2. both these teams know that. andrew: woodhead. not much doing. mike pettine calls his final time-out. 37 second remain. steve t.: what looked to be the most dire of circumstances today for the chargers. they have three of their five offensive linemen out of this game, they lose two of their top receivers during the game. their two corners are not 100%.
verrett and addae, the safety, both of these guys with out of this game. steve b.: you have to take your hat off to the offensive line. there was a little bit of concern, i'm sure, early in this ballgame from philip rivers and mike mccoy and frank reich about whether these guys were going to hold up. they found their rhythm and they've played very, very well, especially considering the circumstances. steve t.: it looked bad early but they found their rhythm. the offensive coaches spread the defense out for the browns, gave them a chance to get their bearings and they've done a great job. andrew: san diego will just take a knee. they can run the clock all the way down to three second and call time-out to set up a game-winning kick for josh lambo. letting the time run down and lambo is a unique story. he's a rookie out of texas a&m. he beat out nick novak in
training camp, the longtime kicker here in san diego but prior to college, he played professional soccer. he was a goalie in the mls for the team in dallas. he spent four years as a pro soccer player, went back to texas a&m, not drafted, came to san diego to battle nick novak, wins the job and now can win the game for the san diego chargers. he's 2-2 today. and cleveland without a time-out remaining, will not be able to ice lambo. this will be from 39 yards.
the holder is the punter, mike scifres. the long snapper is mike windt. josh lambo for the win. and the kick is no good! but there's a flag down. a flag is down at the 22-yard line. steve t.: cleveland was offsides! referee: offside, defense, number 22. steve b.: you cannot make this stuff up. mike pettine saying are you kidding me? andrew: tramon williams called for jumping. steve t.: right there he went early. wow. andrew: the 12th penalty of the day against the cleveland browns, easily the most costly
one. so lambo will get another kick. this time from 34 yards. kick on the way and it's good! josh lambo gives the chargers the win! cleveland has seen a lot of heartbreaking losses over the years and this one ranks right up there. a penalty on tramon williams gives josh lambo another attempt and lambo with redemption. the chargers go to 2-2. the browns fall to 1-3.
steve b.: good snap. great hold and the second time is true for josh lambo. andrew: mike mccoy couldn't even watch. and the reaction from the rookie lambo. from professional soccer player to charger hero and josh mccown, who threw for 356 yards today, buries his head. mccown has lost nine straight starts now as he shares a nile smile with philip rivers. steve b.: let me say this -- josh mccown has nothing to hang his head about. played a superballgame today. andrew: tonight on cbs begins with "60 minutes," followed by the season premieres. for steve beuerlein, steve tasker, this is andrew catalon. so long from san diego.
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>> logan: what have we learned about the holocaust that we didn't know before you began your investigation? >> i learned that you like to see other people dying in front of you, killed by other people when you are sure you will not be killed. >> logan: it was a dramatic finding, one of many revelations this selfless french priest discovered about the holocaust that we never knew before. >> the method that he's used, extraordinary. we can understand minute by minute what happened in hundreds of localities where before we just had fog. >> kroft: i'm steve kroft. >> stahl: i'm lesley stahl. >> safer: i'm morley safer. >> whitaker: i'm bill whitaker. >> logan: i'm lara logan. >> pelley: i'm scott pelley. those stories tonight on "60 minutes."
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it's a brighter day in detroit. people can see better when they're out doing their tasks, young people are moving back in town, the kids are feeling safer while they walk to school. and folks are making investments and the community is moving forward. 40% of the lights were out, but they're not out for long.they're coming back. >> whitaker: car accidents cost us much more than time and money-- they also take a staggering number of lives. every year on american roads,
nearly 33,000 people die, almost all because of driver error. that's the equivalent of a 747 full of passengers crashing once a week for a year. self-driving cars could save more than two-thirds of those lives. that's what the nation's top auto regulator told us. it's no wonder the biggest names in the auto industry and high tech are racing to develop driverless cars powered by a form of artificial intelligence. six years ago, google rolled out a prototype that jumpstarted the competition. today, apple and uber are experimenting, too. we wanted to see how far the technology has come, so we hit the road in silicon valley, the new detroit for self-driving cars. what do you have to do to make the car take over? >> ralf herrtwich: i just pull this lever. and now... >> whitaker: system is active? >> herrtwich: it goes. >> whitaker: computer scientist ralf herrtwich runs autonomous vehicle research for mercedes-
benz. he punched in a route and took us for a 20-mile drive on city streets and highways in this s500, the company's most advanced self-driving prototype. so, this is like no hands, no feet, car is in charge? >> herrtwich: yeah, the car is in charge. >> whitaker: right from the start, the car astonished us. as we approached our first intersection, it slowed down and steered itself into the left turn lane. it's a german car, so naturally it has a german accent. that was the voice of herrtwich's secretary. so it just took off by itself when the light turned green, and now it's making this left turn by itself, with other traffic around. this is absolutely amazing. just two minutes into the ride, we entered a freeway onramp. if you think a normal merge is nerve-wracking, try it with a driver who's talking with his hands.
i must admit, i find it a little disconcerting that we are driving toward the freeway, and you don't have your hands on the wheel. >> herrtwich: shall i put them back on? would that make you feel more comfortable? >> whitaker: no, no, no. herrtwich gave us a rare opportunity to go on an actual test run near mercedes' silicon valley lab. almost every major auto maker is working on the technology here. nissan has teamed up with nasa. auto parts maker delphi put its system in this audi. it was the first to drive itself across the country. back at that merge, don't hold your breath for the car to step on it. this s500 won't break the speed limit. are you going to have little old ladies driving up behind you, beeping the horn to get going, get moving? >> herrtwich: some people have remarked that the car itself, in some cases, drives a bit like an old lady. that's... that's fine with us, for the time being. >> whitaker: especially since the car has driven about 20,000 miles without an accident. mercedes made its name selling
the passion for driving on the open road. now, it sees a future in the growing desire to be driven through traffic-jammed streets. what's fueling this? >> herrtwich: people are increasingly asking for this. people probably have become used to live more with computers and interact with computers, and they feel more comfortable doing this. and so, all of a sudden, we see this interest. and hey, there are certain situations where i don't want to drive. "can your car do it for me?" >> whitaker: first, you're amazed, then you begin to relax. surprisingly, it took less than ten minutes to feel comfortable with the car in control. this is amazing. but don't get too comfortable. >> herrtwich: this is not good. >> whitaker: those beeps, that's not a sound you want to hear. it means the car senses trouble and needs a helping human hand. >> herrtwich: now, the vehicle asks me to take over. ( beeping ) >> herrtwich: now, the vehicle asks me to take over. >> whitaker: at this
intersection, that silver car got too close. >> herrtwich: this is... for example, i... rather took over. it would've managed, but i, really it was... this was too close for us. >> whitaker: that guy was getting into our lane there? >> herrtwich: yeah. >> whitaker: it only happened a few times while we were driving around. herrtwich says teaching the car to handle encounters like that silver car-- on chaotic city streets with impulsive human drivers-- will keep his engineers busy for the next decade. i'm not an engineer. but how do you figure things like that out? >> herrtwich: the important thing about an autonomous vehicle is it has to have a very good sense of its environment. a vehicle cannot react to something it does not see, so we have to be very careful that we see everything that happens around us. >> whitaker: the car sees with an array of cameras and radar sensors designed into the body, feet in all directions. >> herrtwich: we can actually detect more quickly that something is happening that may cause an accident than the human
driver can. >> whitaker: so these cars would actually be safer, you're saying, than a human driver? >> herrtwich: that's what we aim for. >> whitaker: that's what google is driving for, too. its autonomous cars rely on roof-mounted laser sensors to see the road. in the last six years, its fleet has driven more than a million miles. >> chris urmson: we're getting to a place where we're comparable to human driving today. >> whitaker: robotics scientist chris urmson is the director of google's self-driving car project. he invited us inside his silicon valley garage, where the autonomous future is taking shape. google's a tech company, not a car maker. >> urmson: absolutely. but the heart of what makes the technology work is the algorithms and the software, and that's one of the things that we are really quite good at. >> whitaker: there are so many variables, so many different scenarios. how is it possible to put all of that knowledge into a car? >> urmson: and that's really the trick, right?
that's what makes this hard. you can't just kind of go through and enumerate, you know, the 1,000 different scenarios it might encounter, because it's not 1,000. there's an infinite number of them, right? and so the trick is to develop these algorithms that can generalize. >> whitaker: by generalize, he means "think," and this is how it works. the algorithms are trained to recognize other cars, pedestrians, cyclists, and animals from their movements, size, and shape. each car's daily driving experience is analyzed, uploaded and shared. the cars can then make predictions and choices based on the collective knowledge of the fleet. look in the lower left corner as one of urmson's cars encounters a pickup truck that stops to parallel park. now, how does the computer know that it's someone intending to back into a parking space, and not someone who's just stopped in the street? >> urmson: our cars have seen thousands and thousands of vehicles. and they get a "feeling," you
know, they get a feeling really for what the behavior of those vehicles are going to be. >> whitaker: really? >> urmson: so its seen lots of cars backing up, and so it understands if there's a space here, and a car stopped just in front of it, that means it's going to probably back into that spot. >> whitaker: my smart phone has computer glitches. my computer has glitches. how do you get people to trust that this computer-on-wheels is not going to have a glitch? >> urmson: we're all used to our bits of home computing doing funny things, right? and what you have to remember is they're engineered and designed very differently. the way we develop the software, the way we develop the hardware, you know, the way we think about redundancy, the way we think about the situations it has to deal with on the road, it's completely different. >> whitaker: right now, the technology can't handle snow. google's cars can't operate in heavy rain. the mercedes s500 can't decipher hand gestures from traffic cops or pedestrians. four million miles of roads in the u.s. must be mapped in ultra-high definition detail.
the auto makers call these solvable problems. in the meantime, the car industry plans to automate the driving experience feature by feature, what some are calling "revolution by evolution." the revolution is already being televised in ads. >> backup collision intervention which can brake, even before you do. >> whitaker: in showrooms today, you can buy features to automatically keep you in your lane, help you park, drive you in stop-and-go traffic, and coming soon, hands free highway driving. tesla is making it available this month. g.m. plans to offer it in a 2017 cadillac. >> mark rosekind: we are at probably the largest transformative moment in the history of the automobile. >> whitaker: mark rosekind is head of the national highway traffic safety administration. he is optimistic but also realistic about this new technology. >> rosekind: this is really different than just thinking
about the engine parts and the tires. now, we're talking about cars are computers, so issues related to cyber security and privacy are just as big an issue as the defect in the manufacturing process. >> whitaker: someone can hack your computer and steal your money. but someone can hack your car and you can die. >> rosekind: people have to trust these vehicles. if they read or suspect in any way that they literally could be one virus away from a crash occurring, they're not going to get in that car. they're not going to buy it, they're not going to let it drive them. that whole future evaporates. >> whitaker: rosekind also worries about a future in which drivers place too much trust in the cars. >> rosekind: think about how some of this is being sold. "oh, you can take a nap. you can read the paper." what would you do if you had to take over in a certain emergency situation? nobody has that future totally nailed yet. >> whitaker: mercedes and other major carmakers say humans will always have a role in driving.
but chris urmson of google says it's dangerous to require humans to snap to attention and take control at a moment's notice, so the company stopped developing cars that put humans on call. now, it's testing 25 fully autonomous electric prototypes custom built for the job. so i would punch in where i wanted to go and it would just take off and go there? >> urmson: and it'd take off, you press the little "go" button under here. pull away from the curb, take you where you wanted. >> whitaker: for safety, the cars max out at 25 miles per hour. they don't need steering wheels or pedals, but they have them to comply with current california law. >> jamie waydo: the goal of this is to improve the remote assistance link? >> whitaker: jamie waydo oversees the engineering. she used to work at nasa on autonomous vehicles of a different sort, the mars rovers. >> waydo: doing self-driving cars here on earth is actually more challenging in a lot of ways. >> whitaker: more difficult than driving across the surface of mars? >> waydo: ( laughs ) i think so.
humans are so unpredictable. and so having to try to have a car who can out-predict an unpredictable human is amazing and really, really hard. >> whitaker: google's cars have been in nine minor accidents in self-driving mode-- all, the company says, the fault of humans driving in the other cars. google and mercedes told us, if their technology is at fault once it becomes commercially available, they'll accept responsibility and liability. but all involved expect fewer crashes as the technology evolves. for now, it's accelerating to the near future and beyond. this is mercedes' vision for the year 2030, the f015. >> peter lehmann: so we have an app. >> whitaker: you can summon it with your phone. >> lehmann: the car will start and come to you. >> whitaker: german engineer peter lehmann took us for a test drive at an old naval base on san francisco bay. the car's radical design was
shaped by expectations of life in the future. you turn your back to the steering wheel. mercedes is planning for overcrowded cities, perpetual gridlock, and an autonomous car to drive the stress away. >> lehmann: now you can relax, or you can... look a movie. so you have really gained time. >> whitaker: i feel like i'm driving into the future right now. >> lehmann: ah, ha, yes. >> whitaker: a future google's chris urmson says is coming and coming fast. so how long before that day? >> urmson: so... i talk about this is, i have two children-- 11- and nine-year-old. and the 11 year old is going to be able to get a driver's license in about four and a half years. and my mission is to make sure that doesn't happen. >> whitaker: you want him to have a driverless car? >> urmson: i want him to have a driverless car.
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>> stahl: the youngest child of senator ted kennedy, patrick kennedy, was supposed to be the heir apparent to a political dynasty. but after his father died, patrick resigned from congress and is now leading a political movement to change the way people view and talk about mental illness and addiction, that he himself suffers from. he says they're medical issues, not moral issues or character flaws. and he wants them treated with the same urgency we treat cancer and heart disease. now nearly five years sober, he has written a memoir, "a common struggle," in which he traces not only his struggles, but those of his famous father and mother, revealing details about them that not everyone in the family wants revealed and some may dispute.
his purpose, he says, is to show that when people have these illnesses, being silent about them is almost as bad as the disease. >> patrick kennedy: it's a conspiracy of silence, not only for the person who is suffering, but for everyone else who's forced to interact with that person. that's why they call this a family disease. >> stahl: and you're trying to take the stigma away. >> kennedy: well, i'm trying to figure out how do we move this away from shame and stigma into a honest-to-god political movement. this isn't something esoteric about trying to take care of that alcoholic. "god, don't tell me those people need us to spend money on them?" it's about taking care of all of us, because these are americans. they're dying every day. and they're our brothers and sisters. >> stahl: he says there's a pathology of silence about mental illness and addiction within families, especially his. in his book, he breaks what he calls the kennedy code of silence.
>> kennedy: i don't tell in this book about my family stories as some way to talk about their story. this is my story. these experiences are embedded in me. they're who i am. >> stahl: you write-- i'm going to quote you from the book: "my father went on in silent desperation for much of his life, self-medicating and unwittingly passing his unprocessed trauma onto my sister, brother and me." >> kennedy: that's right. >> stahl: self-medicating? >> kennedy: yeah. >> stahl: so, that was the alcohol? >> kennedy: yeah, that was the alcohol. >> stahl: do you think he was an alcoholic? >> kennedy: you know, i think he definitely had a problem with alcohol. i still, right now, lesley, have trouble talking about this. this is like breaking the family code here. i am now outside the family line. >> stahl: outside the line talking about his dad, but also
about the silence surrounding his mother joan's alcoholism that he says he inherited. what was it like growing up with your mother? >> kennedy: it was so tense. my mother clearly would be inebriated and under the influence. she would walk around in the middle of the day, you know, in a terry cloth bathrobe. and the amazing thing is, here you have all of these leading policy makers in the country in and out of the house, coming in and out, watching this and no one's saying a word. the shame just becomes... >> stahl: you felt the shame? >> kennedy: oh my god, i felt like, "oh, my god, they're going to see. mom, quick, let's get back into your room. don't let..." you know, i just understood this was not something that you want anyone to see. >> stahl: you write as a kennedy, and it's a unique
position that you're in. i kept thinking, you know, probably most families would have acted the way your family did. >> kennedy: oh, i know so many of them who can't talk about their own family's illnesses. you get infected by the pathology of silence. and that is sickening to your soul. >> stahl: he writes that while his mother was crippled by her drinking, his father was reeling. >> president kennedy died at 1:00 pm, central standard time. >> stahl: teddy was devastated by the assassinations of his two brothers. >> kennedy: when my uncle bobby was killed, it was like absolutely the floor dropped out for my father, absolutely the floor. because they got to be buddies in the united states senate. those were the glory days for my dad. you ever ask anyone, my dad was the happiest he ever was when he had his brother. then, his brother was killed.
boom, over, show over. >> ted kennedy: those of us who loved him, and who take him to his rest today, pray that what he was to us, and what he wished for others, will someday come to pass for all the world. >> kennedy: my dad never got to grieve. he had to be there for the country. he had to be there for my family. he had to be there for my uncle bobby's 11 children, and john and caroline. >> stahl: tell me what's welling up in you. you didn't know bobby. you were one years old. >> kennedy: yeah, but i knew the pain that came from his having been killed, because i saw my father kind of live in silent desperation for most of his life. >> stahl: are you weeping for him? >> kennedy: oh, yeah, of course, i do. no, i... i absolutely grieve for him. >> stahl: to this minute? >> kennedy: yeah. >> stahl: as people across the
country wept for bobby, the second kennedy brother assassinated in five years, patrick writes that the family itself dealt with bobby's death the only way they knew how. >> kennedy: if you think we couldn't talk about my mom, we couldn't talk about my uncle bobby and the fact that his murder was still so present, you know, in all of our lives because it was unprocessed. >> stahl: you actually say that, because nobody talked about these things in the family, you were all kind of like zombies. you use that word, "zombies." >> kennedy: well, we were living in a limbo land where all of this chaos, this emotional turmoil, was happening. and we were expected just to live through it. >> stahl: this is the first time a kennedy has been this open about the family secrets, these particular secrets. are you worried about how the
family's going to react? >> kennedy: i know how some of them are going to react, because i've already... >> stahl: oh, they've seen the book? >> kennedy: yeah. i've showed the book. >> stahl: they're not pleased. >> kennedy: no. >> stahl: they're angry. >> kennedy: they're angry. >> stahl: chappaquiddick was something else they couldn't talk about. a year after bobby's assassination, teddy drove a car off a wooden bridge, drowning his young passenger, mary jo kopechne. he abandoned the scene and didn't tell the authorities till the next morning. this is where you had the conversation with your dad about... >> kennedy: this is where i had... >> stahl: ...chappaquiddick. >> kennedy: i guess you could call it a conversation. >> stahl: on the tenth anniversary of the tragedy, teddy brought patrick, then 12, to this beach in hyannisport specifically to talk about chappaquiddick, but then didn't. >> kennedy: i learned more about this by, you know, looking in the books and newspapers and articles and on tv. >> stahl: do you think
chappaquiddick had an impact on you? >> kennedy: i couldn't even talk about it. i was hostage to the family code that, no, don't say anything about it. anything you say, it's disloyal. it's against the family code, and it doesn't matter whether it's in a private therapy session. that psychiatrist could go out and tell somebody. >> stahl: the way patrick dealt with it was to drink. he was heavily into alcohol by the age of 13. and nobody in the family either knew or did anything? >> kennedy: you know, it was ubiquitous. there were... there was alcohol and there's parties all the time. it wasn't like, oh, i stood out. >> stahl: by the early 1990s, his father's drinking had become so heavy, the family decided to stage an intervention. >> kennedy: i remember him closing the sliding doors. and then sitting down in his big
blue suede chair and we all said, "we're worried about your drinking. you need to get help. it's affecting us. it's affecting the family." and, uh, he stood up, you know, opened the sliding door and walked out. >> stahl: not a word? >> kennedy: and then he wrote me a letter. and he basically said, you know "for the time being, you know, don't think of coming by to, you know, visit." >> stahl: oh, my word. he stopped talking to you? >> kennedy: that's... that's the way it came down. he felt that we really had no place, no place whatsoever to question him. that's the defensive position of every alcoholic. "go mind your own business. back off!" that was the message. >> stahl: you know, there are
people who thought of your father, "he thinks the rules don't apply to him," that he can drink and carouse as he was doing, because, you know, he's a kennedy. >> kennedy: yeah, there's no partying in there. there's no enjoyment. >> stahl: there was no enjoyment? >> kennedy: this is about relieving the pain. people have this mistaken notion that you get high. what you're really getting is relief from the low. >> stahl: when he was elected to congress in 1994, patrick was struggling not only with alcoholism, but with mental illnesses-- anxiety, depression, and bipolar disorder. he was drinking and popping pills at the office. you put vodka in water bottles. >> kennedy: i put vodka in poland spring water bottles and i put oxycontin in bayer aspirin bottles. >> stahl: it all came to a crashing halt, literally, in may
of 2006 when he plowed his car into a capitol hill police barricade at 3:00 in the morning. >> kennedy: the tv cameras start piling up outside my congressional office. i'm thinking, "this is over." >> stahl: the next day, he broke through another barrier-- the kennedy wall of silence, going public with the fact that he was an addict. his father was furious. >> kennedy: he just lashed out. "and these aren't things we talk about in public and, you know, blah, blah, blah." >> stahl: "teddy kennedy's son is the poster boy for addiction- - oh, no." >> kennedy: no, no, no. >> stahl: teddy's attitude, that addiction was shameful, was far from unusual for his generation. but his attitude changed when patrick gave an impassioned speech on the house floor in support of his bill to expand health insurance coverage for addicts and alcoholics. >> kennedy: let's pass mental health parity. >> stahl: the speech persuaded
teddy to support the bill. patrick writes that his father didn't feel he measured up, until then. this is a huge moment in your life. >> kennedy: in my life. i mean, who gets to have this experience of coming full circle? >> stahl: after his father died in 2009, patrick, at age 43, retired from congress. a year later, he got married for the first time to amy savell, a middle-school history teacher. >> kennedy: hold on to her, harp. >> stahl: they have three children, and one on the way. it wasn't until he committed to stop drinking that she agreed to marry him. >> kennedy: welcome to my house. >> stahl: today, they live here in southern new jersey, where he directs his new political movement, what he calls the kennedy forum, from his study, sitting at president kennedy's old congressional desk. his regimen for staying sober includes an hour-long swim every morning,ak