>> welcome to "quadriga." our topic today -- the latest turn in an election that never ceases to surprise. a week after the release of an 11-year-old tape in which donald trump bragged about sexual assault on women, the republican party is in disarray with leading republicans announcing they will no longer support candidate. numbers appear to be in freefall just a few weeks after he seemed to be closing in on hillary clinton. is notnsists he

quitting. sex, lies, and videotape. is strong finished -- is trump finished? that's our question today. it's a pleasure to welcome the berlin bureau chief of "the new york times," and she says she never believed donald trump would win but in this race, a lot of things have an unexpected and that's why she's careful with predictions. we welcome the business editor of "the berlin daily," who 's problem is not his sexism. it's that he talks about sex. an anglo to have german author and regular commentator for a berlin-based newspaper back on the show. trump might even gain from the episode. polls are indeed taking a dramatic turn downward for mr.

trump. the factct is that there is alws a very dynamic phase in this final stage of the race as undecided voters finally begin to make up their mind. how much of a role is this whole .ex tape really playing >> as i believe andy rosenthal wrote yesterday on the day before, this showed us a donald trump who we basically knew was , very clearly showing us mode. trump in that now other women have come forward to "the new york times" and assure they will come forward to other media, too, saying they can name other incidents where he behaved inappropriately. as with the entire phenomenon, to suddenly say, "oh, my gosh, we did not know that this was i think everybody sort

of did know. if this affects the race, i'm not so sure. they're being constant surprises this year, not just in the united states, but think about brexit, for instance. what i think we can see is a the certainties we thought we had our kind of shifting before our eyes. everybody is adjdjusting to that shifting reality. there could be another big surprise before polling day, but right now, it would appear that donald trump has scant chance of winning. i still would not rule him out completely. my favorite example is think of a group of people who arrange on facebook or some other means of communication, "ok, we are for trump. let's each take 10 people with

day."voting you can do that and it flies under the radar of any kind of traditional opinioion p polling. we know hillary clinton is very well organized by conventional measures, but precisely what has not really worked this year is convention. >> let's come back to the mechanics of the race and issues such as pulling. let me pick up on your remarks just foundimes" has to do women who confirmed it was not only locker room talk on the tape. withaid you would agree donald trump that he simply said what bill clinton did, but apparently according to these claims now published by "the times," this was not just talk. one woman has a very clear account of him physically groping her on a plane. deeds behinde were

these words. >> it is difficult is the only men in the room to sort of say what i am saying. any man who is honest with tell you it is true what donald trump says. men -- not every group of men, not every time, but men talk like that. the second thing is trump groups women because he thinks they want that. he is an oath and if you'll -- a clinton usedl state troopers to procure his women. he slept with an intern at the white house, and hillary's reaction was to say he had a , bimbo -- that's her word -- meaning the women he slept with. this is also horrible. i'm just saying it's not a republican problem. it's not even a specific trump problem.

it is a mail problem and a problem for females, women, who cover for ththis kind of man.. trump says he is unshackled now because the republican party is disowning him. i wonder what he will dig up on hillary and bill, and it will not be nice. >> as tempting as it is now to open up discussion on bill clinton, i'm going to leave that aside because otherwise, we will not face the topic at hand. you implied you thought trump could come back from these allegations, potentially perhaps also from two women going to "the times" and telling their story, but the fact is he needs women voters. they make up the majority of the undecided voters. do you really think ththey are going to take same view you just gave us? was always his base white males of a certain education -- >> but he has got to broaden that, doesn't he?

males might find hispanic feeling that this macho way of talking is kind of nice or even black males saying the same thing. you might even find the kind of -- i mean, listen to country music. even when sung by women, it's all about that kind of man, and man"it is "stand by your because, after all, he is just a man. i really do not know what might or might not happen, and i really wish women would rise up and say he has had it. i do not think that is going to happen. >> i think the problem is a different one. i think everyone always knew as you justan oaf, said, and that he was sexist as well. that was common knowledge, but i think the problem is that he , and the voters he has to catch are these conservative and religious

voters, and they do not want to talk about sex. it's different in europe. everyone talks about sex. >> actually, he had talked about sex plenty before. remember the debate during the primary when he more or less bragged about the size and effectiveness of his sexual equipment? he'sifference here is talking about assault, molestation. >> exactly. -- i agreeink that that he never had much chance with women. i think it just drove home again that he was sex-driven. perhaps it is not a problem for conservative voters, but i cannot imagine all these tea party guys voting for him not their idea of how you should behave as a

churchgoing president. or perhaps it is not a problem. i cannot really tell. >> in a way, it's great that it is happening. remember when bill clinton did this stuff? the republican party was up in arms. a question of character. >> it was not just the republican party. saying herybody brought public discourse down to kind of a . well, here we go. now, the same democrats who defended bill clinton saying that as his private matter -- now, they are all accusing trump , and the great thing is the question of who is for what, and the whole moral issue, the cultural wars have been declared invalid. -- theublican values

republican party supporting a sexist oaf. >> actually, the republican party is by no means united anymore supporting donald trump. your paper published a long list who are nowns deserting what they clearly perceived to be a sinking ship. among the most recently john mccain, arnold schwarzenegger, condoleezza rice all saying they cannot vote for mr. trump. is there a certain element of hypocrisy? it has been perfectly clear for a long time -- >> politics would not exist without hypocrisy, but i would like to go back to your point that what happens afterwards is really kind of the important thing here. if it is the culture wars or whatever, these are all

substitutes for what is essentially a strugglele for power, which, traditionally, in the united states has been fight between democrats and republicans, broadly speaking, center right, or broadly speaking more left, but i'm not sure left and right are particularly helpful because those european terms do not really apply when you get to u.s. politics. i think it is much more interesting to see what will remain this fight the day after there is a decision, and what will the reality after the election due to resolve the basic issues that it has thrown up, and which will not be solved by the choice of either clinton or trump, per se. >> can we come back to that a little bit later? i want to focus on that, but i would like to take a brief look first at the storm that has been

unleashed by release of the tape, and in particulalar, the twitter storm that mr. trump himself has now unchanged. -- has nownged unchained. launched a blistering attack on paul ryan, the country's highest ranking republican. it is hard to do well when paul ryan and others give zero support. trump called ryan a very weak and ineffective leader. and then this -- it's so nice the shackles have been taken off me and i can now fight for america the way that i want to. >> as i said, your opening statement implies that you do think trump can come back from this, but does he not need the republican party organization wherere his own campaign organization is so weak on the ground, particularly in swing states -- doesn't he need their backing?

he is now absolutely flouting them. >> the first thing you have to say is, again, he is right in that he has cast off the shackles. 't votesays now he can for trump, and he could vote for someone who called mexicans rapists, and who said on a tv show that a woman has blood coming out of her? that was all right? come on. all these people that are now against trunk from the republican party, guys -- and gals, some of them -- you are too late. if he is casting them off, i think it will galvanize his .upport i think he really has a chance his whole pitch has been, "i'm the new guy, not part of the establishment. i say what i think. i do what i say."

thisnk it is working with aggressive, resentment-laden male voter who says, "finally, there is a guy who is a real macho and does not kowtow to these washington politicals." >> am not even sure it is resentment-laden people. americans are always questining for something new. there's a willingness to say maybe this guy will shake things up. i found it interesting. bone, the- ken unexpected hit of the second debate, who were his red sweater , posed a question about energy. he became an internet sensation for at least five minutes, and he sort of said economically, he ought to be going with trump because he works in the coal

sector and trump sort of echoes more closely the nature of his day to day problems, but it would be impossible for him personally to do that beuse things l like marriagege equaliy and other rights that have been won by minorities are two hard-fought victory -- too to beought a victory given up. i found it interesting because this was not someone who was eitherg at the mouth on floor. he was taking a very sanguine look and he did not out of hand reject trump p plus argument whe at the same time praising things that are much more likely to put in the hillary camp. >> you are right when you say the conservative establishment could have somehow -- be angry with trump before because of what he had said. i think the interesting thing is that i think that is what this is all about.

showedvey has clearly -- the conservative establishment was just looking for a good reason to somehow get away from trump before it is too late for them. for them, it is clear that they will lose the race for presidency. now the only question is how to keep the majority in the house and what to do afterward. ofy do not want to be part the sinking ship, so they all went overboard as soon as possible. the video was just an excuse to get rid of trump, but they would have found another excuse if this video had not been excavated. >> particularly strange is the that some of those who jumped ship are now halfway trying to climb back on. 405 members said they were not

really rejecting the top of the take it, but we just kind of a little disturbed about the tape. party is inan tremendous disarray. do you really believe that polls are so inaccurate that at the end of the day they can come back from this to win the election, both for the presidency and both chambers of the congress? >> well, yes, i do. short answer. the problem is, really, the party is in disarray because it has nothing to do. everything the party stands for, the party of abraham lincoln, for god sake, has nothing to do with what trump stands for. i hate what he said about women. the real problem is what he is saying about mr. putin, for instance, that he thinks he is a nice guy. he could get on with him. or the fact that he says in the same breath he could deal with and with a stroke of a pen

what he would do with this war on immigration. these are the real problems, that he has no coherent policy in the policy he has has nothing to do with the sort of small government, basically liberal in the economic sense policies that, shall we say, mitt romney or ronald reagan stood for. this is the really terrible thing. if he actually got into the white house, what wowould he do with that party? would he do with that position of power? who would he a point to govern with him? very unclear. >> he might form a new party. >> very possibly. we have known they republican party has been in some disarray for some years. the appearance of the tea party has basically forced an ideological struggle upon the republicans, and that has been in full swing for at least the past two major national

elections if not longer. assessment of many people was that the approach taken by donald trump at this latest debate and the approach he is essentially using now that he is unshackled is to throw red meat at his core voters, many of whom are disgusted with the party elite in the republican ranks. let's take a look at one of withholde trump voters my colleagues in the u.s. spoke. aroundchilton shows us his property in arizona, more than 200 square kilometers. part of it runs along the border with mexico. chilton says the u.s. government is not doing enough to protect him and other local ranchers from mexican smugglers. these e ctures werere taken last 'sar by hidddden camer onn jim prproperty. >> hililarious to think that the united states boundary on my 4-strandnothing but a a

barb wire fence. >> jim says the border authorities should replace that with a real fans plus checkpoioints and more frequent patrols. right now, the nearerest border station is about three houours nonorth of here. >> whyhy not have a wall and ros , and why not allow people to come into this country legally? believeid not really trump's boasting when it came to his prowess with women. do you believe his claims about building a wall? followthink he will through if elected? >> why not? i think he could do it. he might not get mexico to pay for it as he says he will, but he can do what that rancher said. there already is along the rio protectiveole lot of devices. all he needs to do is increase that. of course he can do it.

he is part of a trend. we have just a few minutes left, and i really would like to come back to the question posed earlier on about what happens on the day after. two of you agree that the day will be in the hands of hillary clinton. one of you believes it could be in the hands of donald trump. regardless of who you think will win, a lot of ghosts has been let out of the bottle in the course of this election. we have had some of the most vulgar, poisonous discourse we have ever seen in a u.s. election. what happens after this election ? how does the u.s. come back from that? >> the most important question is if republicans will have a majority in the house and senate. they would just continue what they did when obama was

president, obstruct every kind nopolicy and claim there was political aim worth fighting for. words, that is exactly the recipe for a continuation of what we have now. >> the paralysis and polarization. >> exactly, and that is something republicans apparently do notot understanand. i do not have the feeling paul ryan understands why republicans are losingowower. aey still think that it is very good idea to just continue constructing policy or politics. the basic issue that has to be addressed is that the majority of americans lose out. for the last 40 years, salaries in real terms have not risen for the majority, but everything became more expensive. >> summarizing middle-class income in the past year. >> yes, but you can look at statistics for the last 40

years. nothing happened for the majority. at the same time, everything became more expensive, especially university. that was why there was such a big student unrest. that's why they supported bernie sanders. and you really have to address these issues if you want the united states to be a country that can be ruled. >> another aspect -- we have seen some very strong denigrating of u.s. institutions on behalf of donald trump. your paper found the most this serving aspect of the most recent debate not the discussion of the sex tape, but donald trump's call for a special prosecutor who would throw hillary clinton in jail. that is not t u.s. constitutionl democracy. that does -- does that do u.s.ng damage to institutions? >> is certainly test those institutions, and i think we need to ask ourselves the very basic question -- what is democracy?

, as a german historian said one of his last interviews before he died sadly earlier this year -- democracy must be defended, is what he said. i think that is the basic question we all have to ask ourselves. kind of forget all this storm and drank about every peccadillo of mr. trump -- kind of forget drang aboutrm and every peccadillo of mr. trump every e-mail of mrs. clinton and move beyond those particular issues to the basic question of what we will do with our future. we all know the world is changing rapidly. some of the reason why we have seen people like mr. trump rise is because people are looking for what they perceive to be certainty in a very quickly shifting world. so it is up to us to sort of orient ourselves toward our

basic values, and there, the question is -- will the republican party finally sort of , and will itate continue to have influence through the senate and house, or is there a prospect of a democratic majority? >> briefly, if you would please, what happens to donald trump himself? you say he is not finished and he will go back to business as usual? >> he forms a misogynistic party to fight hillary clinton. if he is in the presidency, he also forms a fascist party to ensure the continuation of his rule. if he loses, america is even more divided than it is now. that is what he is going to do. >> very dystopian last words. thank you very much to all of you for being with us today and thanks to all of you out there for tuning in. see you simply.

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announcer: this is a production of china central television america. lee: leonardo da vinci once said that simplicity is the ultimate form of sophistication. this week's "full frame," guests are proving that simple ideas to foster change can have the most profound impact. i'm may lee in los angeles. let's take it "full frame." welcome back. see this bar of soap? well, did you know it has the power to prevent millions of

deaths worldwide? according to the world health organization, pneumonia and diarrheal disease are two of the leading causes of death among children under 5 years old, and both can be prevented by access to simple hygiene products that a lot of us take for granted. shawn seipler is on a mission to save millions of lives with soap while at the same time offering programs to protect the environment. he's the founder of the nonprofit clean the world, the largest global recycler of hotel hygiene products. since launching the effort in orlando, florida, in 2009, clean the world has doled out more than 30 million bars of soap to children and families in a hundred countries around the world. shawn seipler joins us now f frm orlando to tell us more about this fantastic program. shawn, welcome to "full frame." seipler: thank you, may. it is my pleasure to be here. lee: well, listen, shawn. i know that, uh, you got this idea in a hotel room.

it was, like, a light bulb moment. tell me what happened there. seipler: yeah. in 2009, i was a frequent traveler. uh, i ran a global sales team for a technology company, and i was typically on the road 4 nights a week traveling from one city to another, and as i traveled from city to city, i never took the little bar of soap and the little bottle of shampoo with me... lee: uh-huh. seipler: so one day in a hotel room, i was very curious as to what happened to those itemsms when i was done using them, and i called the front desesk at the hotel and asked what happened to the soap when i was done with it, and, of course, they told me that they throw it away, which i thought was a really interesting answer and probably a lot of waste... lee: yeah. seipler: so i did some research at the time and figured out that in the united states, we were throwing away about a million bars of soap every single day... lee: wow! seipler: which, of course, was a huge amount of waste, yeah, and so i did some more research and tried to figure out, you know, could--could we recycle soap, was there a way to take dirty soap and turn it into new soap,

and--and there was very simple ways of melting it down and reforming it into new bars, uh, but the--kind of the light bulb moment for clean the world was when we found studies that showed that two of the top killers of children worldwide, as you mentioned, pneumonia and diarrheal disease, which at the time, killed 9,000 children under the age of 5 every single day, that the-- lee: every day. that's phenomenal. seipler: every single day. lee: wow. seipler: the--the beautiful opportunity was, these studies showed that if we just gave those children soap and taught them how and when to wash their hands, that we could cut those deaths in half, so that light bulb moment was a million bars of soap being thrown away, 9,000 children underer the age of 5 dying every day to diseases preventable by soap and hygiene education, and so how do we make that connection happen, and that was how we birthed clean the world. lee: but there's a crucial element there, shawn, that not a lot of folks would be able to take that concept and that realization--uh, which is a

major, uh, realization, you know, not knowing that that happens, 9,000 kids die every day--to then make it a reality, right, so you were so committed to this idea, you left your job. you left your career and committed 100% of your time and effort to o this. seipler: that's correct. you know, i--i have 4 children. um, i had a moment sitting on my bed where sort of, you know, the heavens opened up, and--and, i guess, that moment happened, and, to me, it was a very simple math problem that could have profound results, uh, a million bars of soap being thrown away, 9,000 children dying, and i just got to figure out how to take the million bars... lee: yeah. seipler: recycle it, and get it to the 9,000 children, so really at thahat moment, it seememed ay easy response, i think, because of the way i was reared to want to help others, to--to want to help those who were, uh,

hurting, um, but, of course, i-- lee: yeah, but what about execution, shawn? i mean, you have to actually make this work, right, so technically speaking, you have to figure out how you're gonna get the soap and how you're gonna get it made and how you're gonna get the hotels to agree to give you the soap, so what were--what were the logistics behind how you actually made this work? seipler: yeah. well, you know, when i first jumped in, i--i'm one of those that just sort of jumps in the water and doesn't know how deep it is... lee: ok. seipler: and that was clearly the case in--with clean the world. uh, you know, very quickly after leaving my job, i--i was able to get my family members together, and we got into a single-car garage in downtown orlando, and we started approaching hotels in central florida with this concept, uh, to put a recycling bin in their hotel. we would ask their housekeepers as they clean the rooms every day to, instead of throwing away the soap and bottled amenities, to please put them in little bags that would make their way down to our bins, and we would then figure out how to pick it up and bring it into our

single-car garage, uh, cooking recycling center, uh, where, if you could picture in a--inin a-n a small garage, we all sat around on upside-down pickle buckets with potato peelers, and we would scrape the outside bars of sosoap and when they wee scraped, we thenen had a mea grininder that would grind it t, and--and then n we had 4 4 cooks that were cooking the e soap ino a paste and, uh, you know, all this effort, uh, for 500 bars of soap, uh, you know, in those early days, and that was a huge day for us... lee: yeah. wow. seipler: um, so, yeah, we-- it was pretty crazy. lee: yeah. i mean, that's, like, grass-roots effort right there, hands-on. seipler: that's right, and, uh--but, you know, hotels were very interested in the concept becacause they saw this waste every day. lee: right. seipler: uh, they were really interested in the concept of getting soap to those in need globally, and oftentimes in the hotel, the housekeeper comes from a country of need, uh, maybe sending money and other resources back to--to their home

country of need... lee: mm-hmm. seipler: so a lot of those things resonated with the hotels early on. it just became a matter of how operationally do we do it and then, of course, how do we create a--a financial model that was going to allow us to scale the business, continue the business, which was also a very, very tricky part of--of the early days. lee: right, right, and i know that, like you just mentioned, the hotels were willing to contribute because they also saw the waste, so you have some really big hotel partners now, don't you? seipler: we do. we--we were--early on in central florida, walt disney world resorts came on board, which was a--a huge name for us. when we--when we first launched into vegas, uh, caesars entertainment, uh, brought us to vegas, and shortly after that, uh, sands, the venetian, palazzo, and--and wynn encore came on board. um, sands helped us go to asia, uh, and so we launched in macau and hong kong, uh, not too long after that and--and have some great brands like mandarin oriental and hilton and marriott and starwood that, uh--that operate our program globally,

so the hotels, in--in terms of the impact, both environmental and social impact that we could drive, were absolutely on board. we then had to also convince them, uh, on the financial aspect, uh, and so we had to-- you know, in 2009, the economy was in--was in very rough shape, and so having a completely philanthropic model did not work for us early on. uh, we actually went broke very quickly and almost never got out of that garage, uh, so we had to ask hotels to not only participate from an operational standpoint, but we needed them to participate from a financial standpoint, and so we had to create a model, uh, whereby hotels bought the recycling program, and--and so they had to see value in it not just from a internal impact standpoint--what it means, you know, to their employees, to the guests, to the environment--but it also had to make sense financially because that was the only way we were gonna be able to scale the organization, and thank goodness

those brands that i mentioned... lee: yeah. seipler: uh, did that, saw the value, and got behind us i in--n every way possible. lee: and obviously now it's really working quite well, so let's talk about the impact that you've seen since you started this program around the world. i mean, as i read in the intro, you're in a hundred countries, right, this program, so tell me about the direct impact that you've seen on these communities, on these kids. seipler: that has been the most inspiring and fulfilling, uh, part of clean the world, being able to see the communities that we're touching, the individuals that we are helping. uh, when we started, there were 9,000 children under the age of 5 that were dying, uh, to these two diseases. today we fast-forward 7 years later, we've reduced that death rate by more than 35%. uh, there are now less than 6,000 children that are dying every day to those two diseases. it's still a child every 15 seconds, so there's still a lot of work to do... lee: right. seipler: but we have some great programming on the ground in

kenya, uh, in haiti, uh, in the philippines, as well as we work with a number of great organizations like children international, uh, operation christmas child, world vision, the american red cross, uh, international red cross. uh, these organizations are taking our product and inserting them into their wash programs, and so they're addressing, uh, clean water and sanitation and health and hygiene. lee: right. seipler: we just had a program. we just got some results back. there are 4,000 schoolchildren, for instance, in kenya, uh, who are in a--uh, in a very tough area, an area, some of it, controlled by, uh, uh, the al-shabaab terrorist organization, and so these kids oftentimes, uh, the girls who are going to school are--are sort of forbidden to go, so when they go, it's a risk for them to go into the classroom. when we went into this community, there was an 80%, um, uh, infectious rate of diarrheal disease. uh, we've handed out soap on a regular basis. we've educated, uh, the children in these schools, and the first

reports back are a 62% reduction in that rate of infectious disease, so... lee: that's incredible, shawn. seipler: it's--it's a huge result. lee: 62%. seipler: that's right. it's a huge percent, a huge reduction, so, you know, that-- that invigorates us. that inspires us to--to--to want to do more. we're now launching another program in tanzania. that program is actually supported by starwood, as well, so some of our corporate hotel partners are now jumping in on the impact, uh, development side of what we do so that we can do even more from a mission perspective, uh, so that's been a huge result. um, we've sent a couple million bars of soap to haiti since the earthquake. we've been able to see firsthand that impact, so just a--just a grgreat part of--of what we're doing is that--that mission impact side. lee: because it is so amazing when you think about it. it's such a simple concept that just washing your hands and just better hygiene with a bar of soap can make such an enormous impact in that way, and see--the fact that you're seeing it and doing it firsthand, i mean, you know, you don't need more proof

than that that something so simple can literally change the world. seipler: you're exactly right. i mean, we went through--in the developed world, we went through a hygiene revolution, uh, the united states. in europe, it happened in the early 1900s. uh, we sort of accidentally--a doctor one day delivering babies started washing his hands in between those deliveries and realized that the mortality rate of the--of the--of the babies started to reduce when he was washing his hands, and that's how sort of soap and hygiene came into, uh, you know, the medical industry and--and really, the--the developed, uh, world, so where--whereby we have that in our--you know, in our society, so many in the underdeveloped do not have--do not understand that. they don't have a culture of hygiene. they don't have the--the resources and the means. lee: right. uh, the supply/demand's just not there, so we're really addressing those areas that very simply just--just need to--to

have soap and--and--and know how and when to wash their hands. lee: right. shawn, i got to ask you a--a pragmatic question, and i'm sure a lot of people ask you this, as well, but when it comes to sanitizing the soap that's been used, you mentioned in the--you know, in the starting days, you guys would just use a potato peeler and just peel the soap, but how do you ensure that the soap is genuinely sanitized before you make it into new soap and send it out? seipler: yeah. it's a great question. so we do regular testing on our soap. we have a company that we send soap to on a quarterly basis. they test our soap to ensure that it's free of any, uh, pathogens or any, uh, uh, uh, bad, you know, diseases or items on them. through our recycling process as we surface-clean and sterilize soap, we are constantly heating it up and then cooling it down again and then heating it up, and--and through that heating process, soap naturally disinfects itself, so it is-- it's actually cleaning itself. w--we don't need to add the sterilization, um, uh, chemicals

that we add to it, which we do on a very, very small basis. we do it nonetheless, but actually, the act of--of heating, uh, itself up, soap actually disinfects and is cleaned, and, again, we test it on a regular basis to ensure that that's the case. lee: ok. well, th-- the social impact and the hygiene impact on--on these, uh, various communities that you're helping out is incredible, but we should also mention the environmental impact, , uh, the positive impact this is havivin, because it's amazing when you think about hotels and all the little bottles and the packaging every day that's used by guests in the hotel and what kind of a negative environment impact that has, so your definitely, with this program, also taking that out of the equation, too, right? seipler: that is correct. we have 4,000 hotels that run our program across north america, europe, and asia. we recycle about 750,000 hotel rooms on a daily basis, and in 7 years, we have diverted 18 million pounds of waste from

landfills, uh, on those continents, so it's a huge environmental impact. there are millions of bottles that are going into landfills every single day. uh, the hotel industry is one of the largest, uh, creators of waste, but it's great to see the industry really, uh, uh, you know, figuring out sustainable programs, initiatives, technologies, uh, so that they can become more sustainable, and again, i think that that response to our program has been one of those answers whereby they--they see the soap and the bottles going into landfills. they don't want that to occur, and instead, we--we bring a social impact, uh, result which is even better, uh, sort of a win-win-win... lee: yeah. seipler: but it's been a great sustainability and environmental story. lee: so, shawn, do you think there's gonna come a day where you're gonna be able to--through this program and, obviously, the efforts of a lot of other folks and a lot of other companies--that we're gonna be able to really almost eradicate, you know, these

diseases that can be simply remedied by just better hygiene? seipler: without a doubt, uh, we believe so. we've already seen a 35% reduction, uh, in the death rate because of the efforts of--of clean the world and other organizations that--that are really focused from a wash perspective and from a clean water perspective. lee: mm-hmm. seipler: we see great movement, for instance, in india, uh, a country of 1.2 billion. uh, over 600 million do not have toilets, and the prime minister there recently said that, you know, we need to build more--more toilets than we do temples, so we're seeing that hygiene and sanitation is--is at the forefront, uh, in a lot of--of countries that--that so desperately need it from an attention standpoint, so i do believe that these are simple answers--hygiene, uh, sanitation--very simple answers to, uh--to problems that, uh--that we see, you know, over a death rate that--that is--that can easily be prevented... lee: right. right. seipler: s so, yes, we really

believe that we will eradicate, uh, those two top killers of children through these hygiene efforts. lee: what a phenomenal goal that would be to achieveve. um, final question, shawn. any other projects that you guys have in mind for clean the world? seipler: yeah. yeah. we have seen a tremendous response from our volunteer community who come to our facilities, either in orlando, las vegas, uh, montreal, uh, hong kong, and they volunteer with us. they engage in giving back and serving and helping others. that has really been one of the really cool outcomes that--sort of unattended outcomes that we've seen. we need that help in order to-- uh, to process the products and get them sorted and--and--and get them recycled... lee: yeah. seipler: and so we really see a great opportunity to take that model and mobilize it and--and perhaps leverage those 4,000 hotels that we have which are already places where people come to. they meet. they--they--they rest. they--they do a number of

things. they dine. they--they come there, and so, you know, can we take that volunteering and mobilize it across the world so that, uh, individuals and communities can do something that i really believe everybody innately has in--in their dna, and that is to want to serve and help others... lee: yeah. seipler: and so we really see that as something we'll do in the future, bringing that--that opportunity to volunteer, to help, to serve, and--and bring it into the community, mobilizing it, uh, across different various communities where our hotels partners are so that we can engage so many who, uh, you know, in their dna want to help and serve others. lee: rigight. right. well, shawn, it takes one person, right, to make a difference and then you cause that r ripple effect around the world, so congratulations on the success of clean the world and what you're doing, so thank you so mucuch, shawn. great, great to talk to you. seipler: thank you, may. great talking to you, as well. lee: all right. well, coming up next, one american company is saving the world's children one nutrition bar at a time.

according to unicef, close to 160 million children under the age of 5 are chronically undernourished worldwide, and around 3 million of these children die due to undernutrition every year. our next guest is providing a solution by producing simple products that are full of micronutrients to treat and prevent malnutrition in developing countries. navyn salem is the founder of edesia, a nonprofit, u.s.-based food aid company. her organization has reached over 3.5 million children in 46 countries since starting production in its providence, rhode island, facility in 2010. navyn joins s us now fromm providence to tell us more about edesia's mission to save as many lives as possible in the developing world. navyn, welcome to the show.

salem: thank you, may. lee: well, let me ask you, of course, uh, w--why did you start this? what triggered you to begin this mission to, uh, nourish malnutrit--malnourished kids all over the world? salem: yeah, so there were a couple of different factors. um, one is, uh, that my father is from tanzania originally. um, i have a business background and also 4 daughters, and it was kind of those 3, uh, things pieced together that, uh, began edesia and the creation of a social enterprise that's mission is to treat and prevent malnutrition for those children that are most vulnerable, and so i did my research back in tanzania, uh, where my father, grandparents, and great-grandparents all are from originally. lee: so obviously, you had traveled to the area, so did you witness firsthand what was happppening to these children? salem: absolutely. i mean, i've been face to face

with kids and their mothers who are going through really tough challenges, uh, especially in times of drought or conflictct d wars, uh, and natural disasters, umum, that are a trouble in--in these countries all the time, and being face to face with these mothers is really challenging, um, to be a parent and to raise children, uh, in these kinds of situations, and so i realized that, you know, malnutrition really shouldn't be ki----killing childrdren in thiy and age. we know what the--the problem is and the solution, and there's a really easy way to be able to solve this problem. lee: the one thing, um, i wanted to ask you about, uh, one of t e productsts that you create is called plumpy'nut--uh, one of the most populular, i guess--and it's also literally life-changing to those who consume it, the kids who actually take it in. there are some transformative stories that you have, but i want to take a look at a picture of a before and after, uh, of a child who was taking--eating the plumpy'nut.

this was before--so very, very undernourished, obviously--and this is her after. that's remarkable, so is this a typical transformation? salem: absolutely, and so this transformation took place over a 6-week time period, and i think thatat's what-- lee: 6 weeks? that's it? salem: absolute--yeah. 6 weeks and about $50 worth of fortified peanut butter is able to make this transformation, um, and just to be clear, i didn't inventlulumpy'nut. it was creat b by, rlly,y, a llaboratn of people. a a ench food engineer, uh, dd nutrititnist and--and hehers, reallyolollaboted d toome upup with tsese forlas,s, a the reason thaththey'rere revolutionar t they me i in sachet that looks like this. this is plumpy'nut, um, and it's really revolutionary because it doesn't need to be mixed with water or refrigerated, and these are two things that are just aren't available in the developing world, and so this enabled us to be able to reach children, um, in really rural parts of the world who weren't

able to be reached in the past, uh, and so to be able to make this change, really drastic change, i mean, sometimes, i'm looking for an earring or a braid or something on a child to even recognize that it's the same child because they've changed so significantly over those 6 weeks. lee: i--i'm stunned to hear that it--it only took 6 weeks for this little girl to become healthy again, so tell me-- obviously, these products are full of nutrients, micronutrients, as they're called. tell me why micronutrients are so important when it comes to nourishing undernourished and malnourished kids? salem:m: yup, so the plumpy'nut formula is peanuts, sugar, vegetable oil, um, milk popowde, and the vitamins and minerals, and it really is the, uh, milk powder and the vitamins, minerals, the micronutrients that are critical to be able to achieve growth at that high rate, and, um, little-- people need, uh, the micronutrients to develop their brains and their bodies, and if we don't deliver those

micronutrients during this critical window of opportunity, then it is lost. we cannot regain that intellectual capacity later in life, and so if we want children to learn in schools, if we want them to live productive lives and do well and get good jobs in their futures, we really need to make sure that we intervene at these critical times, um, to deliver the micronutrients, or the effects are irreversible, and the fact that we h have something so simple that can make this lifelong impact, to not do it is really, uh, you know, a really lost opportunity and something that we--we can't afford to not pay attention to. lee: i totally a agree with you, navyn, so, uh, in terms of--you said 6 weeks for this little girl that we just saw photos of. is that the average amount of time that a--a child should be eating your product, and, if so, how often? how--how many times a day are they supposed to consume the product? lee: ok, so typically, they're going into health clinics, and we're working with existing

health care systems and health care workers, and it's like a food by prescription, and so based on the child's height and age and nutritional status, um, on average, they're getting about 3 packets per day, and this is a--a full, um, daily allotment, and so if they're able to take this, between 6 and 10 weeks, we do expect a full recovery. none of these products are intended to replace traditional foods or anything of the sort. it's really to bridge during these, uh--these critical times of--of emergency, really... lee: mm-hmm. salem: um, in--in the many different ways that they come about, and so we're here to--to help bridge that gap so that children not only survive, but have the, uh, opportunity to thrive, as well. lee: wondering, though, , um, wt happens after they're done with the treatment? they become healthy, but they're still kids, and they're still growining, and they still need e nutrients, so is there some sort of follow through? uh, what if they can't get the proper nutrition after they finish the program?

salem: yup. that's a great question, so, i mean, every scenario is really very different. um, traditionally, you know, plumpy'nut could be used, um, during the lean season, during a hunger gap, so if you imagine that your family's harvest is two months out, and that's the time where you'll see a spike in malnutrition wards, uh, filling up with children because the parents have run out of money. they don't quite have enough supplies to be able to get them to that point, and that's when we come in and kind of cover that gap. once the harvest, it comes in, um, they're able to get back up on their feet, so we might have an exit program where they are still coming in to feeding centers, but we know that soon they'll be well on their way, and whether it's a, um, natural disaster or emergency, um, similar in those situations, we're there during that, the-- the crux of the emergency, and as they are able to get back up on their feet, then we, um, you know, can move them to their traditional foods and, uh, market supplies of--of what they

would normally consume. lee: i got to ask you, though, navyn-- you--you are a mother of 4, and you're doing this at the same time. um, i mean, i wowould call you superwoman, but, i mean, what's--what's your secret? that must--i mean, that's got to be tough. salem: it is, definitely. i can't lie. um, i've gotten pretty good at multitasking... lee: yeah. salem: and i'm not sure which is more challenging, being a mom of 4 girls or trying to feed a million children a year, and i would actually have to say that probably being mom is--is the hardest but most rewarding job, uh, and it makes feeding a million, um, seem actually a little bit easier. my girls will be surprised to hear that, i'm sure, but-- lee: um, ha ha! pretty funny comparison, but, uh--but the fact that you're doing both, i commend you, for sure. um, let's talk about funding. uh, how do you get your funding, uh, for your programs, and, um, is that steadily increasing as the word gets out on the work

that you're doing? salem: yup. yeah. i mean funding-- so we're set up as a social enterprise, which means that we're selling our products to unicef, to world food program, and the u.s. government, uh, and they're working with the--the smaller groups to do distributions, as well, all the way down to the--to the field level and that individual clinic level... lee: right. salem: and funding is always going to be part of the problem. lee: mm-hmm. salem: um, you know, it is increasing, and--and, uh, governments understand the importance of addressing nutrition, uh, in terms of looking at their whole country's health and--and potential for, you know, uh, increasing gdp, even. i mean, impact is that large, and so they--they realize that we need to invest more, but, of course, um, you know, it's never quite enough, and--and it's very difficult to balance resources, especially when we have, uh, a syrian refugee crisis over here, and we have one of the worst droughts in over 30 years in

ethiopia and we have post-ebola work going on in west africa. i mean, there's a lot of problems in the world, and so trying to balance where we're able to direct solutions is going to always be a challenge, um, but at least we know that the places that we are able to reach, like syria and ethiopia and west africa, we're able to see, uh, the results and--and the impact and hope to continue to do better each time. there's always room for improvement, and there's always room for more funding necessary, as well. lee: you know, uh, i was also really fascicinated, andnd i tht it was grereat that, uh,h, your plant and your, um, business here in rhode island, uh, you actually employ, uh, former refugees, uh, who have come from different parts of the world, so that, obviously, was another mission of yours, to try to help those here who've come to the states. salem: right, absolutely. i mean, no one can understand beining in the position of needg to depend on help from somebody

else, and no refugee thinks that they're going to be put in this situation, uh, and--and isn't prepared for that. they had normal lives with great jobs and families and everything, and the next day, you're put in a situation where you're depending on someone else for your--your next meal... lee: yeah. salem: and so the people who work with me at edesia, uh, really understand. they've lived through these experiences before, and that's what motivates them and motivates the rest of our team, uh, to work as hard as we do to get orders out on time, to make sure that the quality is the highest it can, and then--and we do it for the least, uh--the most efficient process that we can do. because of their stories and their strength and their resilience that they teach us every day is--is really what makes us special and like a family at our company. lee: so i'm sure every packet of your product is made with love and, uh, a lot more dedepth to t than just, like, churnining it out, which is great to hear. um, one last queuestion. salem: absolutely. lee: how can people donate to

edesia? where should we go for that? salem: so you can go to edesianutrition.org, and every little bit helps. even a $50 donation equals one life, and that one life is--can be revolutionary and life-changing to that family, and, um, so every little bit helps. please go to our website. check out the information that we have. learn a little bit more about us, um, and help us. we need all the help we can get to really make an even bigger impact, uh, in--in the years to come, so i appreciate the opportunity. $50 to save a life. that's pretty extraordinary. navyn, thank you so much for your time, and, um, the work you're doing is incredible, so thank you for sharing your story. salem: t thank you so much, may. lee: we'll be right back to meet a social entrepreneur who is giving fashionistas the chance to help school children in africa. stay with us..

according to a 2013 unesco study, a staggering 124 million children a and adolescents do nt have access to formal primary ededucation. the numbers may actually be higher but the tools and measurements to get more accurate figures aren't really available. one person who's trying to lower those numbers--a social entrepreneur, matthew clough. his company stone & cloth, specializing in backpacks and totes, donates a portion of its proceeds to a scholarship fund for tanzanian schoolchildren to ensure that their classroom time is supported and subsidized, and to think, this all started when matt climbed mount kilimanjaro. matt clough joins me now from detroit, michigan, to fill us in.. hey, matt, welcome to "full l frame." clough: hey, thanks so much for having me.

lee: you're welcome. well, matt, as i just said, uh, this all began because you climbed a really high mountain-- mount kilimanjaro. how did this all come about? what happened? clough: yeah, so, i mean, it--it started-- i was--i was in college at the time, just really, um, excited about and kind of obsessed with climbing mountains, and a buddy and i both wanted to climb the 7 summits which is the highest peak on every continent... lee: wow. clough: and we had the chance to go to africa to climb mount kilimanjaro and--and check one of those mountains off the list, so, um, i ventured out and started training and, uh, you know, uh, ended up going to africa and, uh, climbed mount kilimanjaro, um, so that's how it happened, and it's the only--out of the 7 summits, it's the only one that i've accomplished, but... lee: ok. ok. clough: uh, hope--hope to get to a few others in the future. lee: ok, but you got sidetracked because, obviously, you decided to start this company that was gonna help educate children in africa, so tell me where that all came about and how you were inspired to do that. clough: of course, so i was-- um, as i was climbing the mountain, when you're climbing

mount kilimanjaro, you have porters with you, and they're waking you up with tea. they're cooking your meals. they're carrying your heavy rucksack because you're just sort of carrying, like, a small daypack, um, and over the course of the 4 days climbing up to the summit, uh, you get to knonow tm pretty well, pretty intimately, and they're just the most charismatic, wonderful people. um, there was one in particular, benson, that i--i really just sort of connected with, he was just such a cool guy, um, and then i started learning more about just sort of, like, the area in tanzania, um, and learned that some of them don't get work often enough and sometimes don't get paid enough to put their children through school, so i came home. i kind of had this, uh, reverse culture shock when i got home after being over in tanzania and really just wanted to do something to help, um, and knew that i wanted to do it about education. um, i went to school for design. i grew up sort of creating. i've always been a creative guy, so i thought, "why don't i design a backpack that sort of represents the backpack that i used going to school every day?"

lee: oh. clough: and--and then partner with a nonprofit and--and have your purchase provide 25 classroom hours, uh, for a student over there, so, uh, that's how it started. lee: right, soso your effort, obviouslsly, is grass-roots because you kind of started on your own, and yoyou designed the backpacks and totes on your own, so what was that like, just getting started in that way? clough: yeah. i mean, so i-- when--when i started, i--i had just graduated from college. um, i had another job at the time, and i literally had to borrrrow $250 so i could buy a-a used sewing machine and some-- and buy some canvas, so i was--i was actually the one that made the first 20 or 25 backpacks... lee: wow. clough: um, selling them to friends, and then i kind of realized that wasn't, you know, very scalable, um, at which point we found some--some factories and some sew shops in los angeles that now produce all the goods for us. lee: ok. let's talk about who this benefits. um, as--as i mentioned in the intro, you know, you're trying

to help those who aren't getting the proper education, helping to subsidize actual classrooms and supplies, so tell me a little bit where the money goes and how it's used. clough: yeah, of course, so, um, like i said, your purchase provides 25 hours of classroom learning for students. that's sort of the baseline. we've helped out with other stuff, with lunch programs and-- and school supplies and, you know, help out where we can beyond that, uh, but primarily, i really just focused on providing scholarships, and we do that with, uh, a nonprofit partner. um, we found a nonprofit partner called knock foundation. uh, they have their boots on the ground in the foothills of kilimanjaro. they have a scholarship program, so what they do is, they vet different students that really want to be in the classroom. they have a great vision for their future, but don't necessarily have the resources to get to the classroom and--and actually go to school, so, um, i knew that, you know, i--i'm not the--i'm not the expert in education. i knew that i really wanted to partner with people that knew what they were doing... lee: right.

clough: um, and we found this great organization that--thatt really seemed to--we just sort of clicked with them. they're a small organization. we also knew exactly where our money was going to be going, uh, and really trusted them to do so, so--and also, you know, just really--i feel like their--their values were aligned with ours, and, uh, it just felt like the right partnership. lee: and since you started stone-e-tone & cloth, how many kids or how many schools have you been able to help so far? clough: yeah, so we're on--we're on track right now. the way that we sort of--our--our, you know, ticker or marker is--is how many, uh, classroom h--hours we have--we have supported, and... lee: ok. clough: we're on track to provide over 25,000 classroom hours, uh, for s students, um, d as we're starting to figure out how to--how to continue to grow, uh, we're thinking about bringing on different partners, um, and, uh, you know, hopefully, we'll continue to--to push that--push that forward. lee: um, let me go back, though, in terms of how you go about choosing the kids who you subsidize, uh, in the classroom hours that you give. you--you mentioned vetting, um,

and i know you do a lot of that, and that also includes vetting the families, too, because that's an important factor in the success of the--of the kid, right? clough: absolutely. yeah. um, that's--i mean, that's a really big part of it, and that's a big part of the reason why we've partnered with the people that we've partnered with, is--is-- you know, i--i mean, first-- first and foremost, it's--it's, you know, when i wanted to help, it--it was because there was that problem. i think the--the first thing to do is really start with asking questions and figure out, like, if you want to help someone figure out what they actually want and then go from there... lee: yeah. clough: um, so making sure that these students actually want to be in the classroom was--was really, really important, and also making sure that they have, like, a vision for their future was also important. beyond that, i mean, um, you know, if--if they didn't have the support at home, uh, from their family, then chances are they were gonna be really distracted in the classroom... lee: true. clough: and weren't gonna be getting the benefits of actually

being there, so, um, one thing that the knock foundation does is, they make sure that they-- the entire family understands the value of the scholarship so that they're getting the most out of it. one specific story, uh, i was talking to kim from, uh, knock, and she was explaining to me that they had a student in the scholarship program, um, but he wasn't eating his--his lunch. what he was doing was, he was-- he was taking his lunch home to share it with his family... lee: oh, man. clough: and--and--and when it comes to being in the classroom, like, if--if these kids aren't eating, then they're not gonna be able to focus. they're gonna be very distracted. they have all this other stuff on their mind, so, like, really just making sure that, you know, the--the--the family environment is--is positive and they're also--you know, there's food and the basic needs are--are taken care of is-- lee: right. clough: is really important. lee: right, right. the support system has to be there, but, boy, how heartbreaking that he was taking his food home to help out his family, too. clough: i knowow. yeah. lee: um, matt,t, what's next for you guys, then? you just keep doing what you're

doing, or do you have sosome expansion plans? well, whatat's next? clough: yeah. i mean, you know, a really--a really sort of, like, big thing for us is--is really just focusing on our--our primary objective, you know? we really just want to be a--a business that's valuable to the world, and we've sort of found, um, you know, sort of, like, where we--where we hang our hat is really, you know, providing these, um--these jobs in the u.s. and--and making really, really high-quality products in america, uh, and then providing scholarships, so, uh, we're really just hoping to be a part of this movement of, uh, social businesses that really want to use business as a force for good. lee: yeah. w well, i think t t's a great mission, and, matt, i share your love of climbing. i actually went to everest and climbed up to kala p patthar... clough: oh, my gosh. wow. lee: so you might want to go there next if you have the time. clough: yeah. that--that might-- that might have to be my next stop, for sure. lee: ok. all right, matt. thank you so much for your time. clough: of course. thank you. lee: great, great work you're doing, love your products, and good luck to you guys. clough: thank you so much. lee: ok. well, coming up next, this week's "full frame"

close-up, so stay with us. this week's "full frame" close-up is a profile in cross-cultural curiosity. now a resident of boston, dr. nancy berliner lived in china for many years. she spent her time there studying the language and culture and collecting historical artifacts, artifacts that many chinese people themselves aren't privy to. now working for the museumum of fine arts in boston as a curator, nancy still travels to china often, uncovering treasures that help both the chinese and americans gain a better appreciation for the rich history of china. "full frame" visited with nancy in boston, where she is hard at work on her latest project.

berliner: i think it--it broadens a person's mind to understand that other cultures approach aspects of daily life in different manners. one of the aspects of chinese culture that i really enjoy is the depth of history that one can see in almost any object, so you look at a painting, and you can see references to many different aspects of history, of the culture, to thinking and expressions.s.

i had studied art in--as an undergraduate as well as chinese, and then i ended up going to the central academy of ararts in beijing, and though i had wanted to study painting, chinese painting, while i was there, i was actually put into the chinese art history course. suddenly, i was exposed to the wonderful history of chinese art and chinese painting and got excited about that history, got interested in all different types of chinese art. i wrote a book and put together an exhibition at the same titime and traveled it around the united states, and beforore i kw it, i suddenly was a curator of chinese art.

when i first came to the museum of fine arts, i gave a talk, and a woman stood up, and she was holding 8x10 photograph of a guanyin sculpture, and it was a sculpture that we now have in the song galleryry, and she sai, "when is this object coming back on view?" and i said, "i have no idea. i've just arrived here, but i will find out," and what i discovered is that this is an object that came to the museum in 1920, and it was on view in the museum until 1999, and it was a very much-loved sculpture, and it had been off of view and in storage because it needed some conservation,

and since it's been back out on display, so many people-- american people, people who have no connection to chinese culture--have come up to me and said, "this is my favorite object in the whole museum, and i'm so glad it's back on display." it's called "the bodhisattva of compassion," and it's really touching to see how this object that was made almost a thousand years ago in a country thousands and thousands of miles away, very different time, a very different culture, but somehow it touches people. the museum of fine arts is

privileged to have an incredible collection of song art. now, the song dynasty goes from 960 to 1279 in china, and the song dynasty was a very urbanized culture. they had a much more conceptual and abstract concept of art, and in putting together this gallery, really what i wanted to do was give our visitors, our contemporary visitors, a sense of the song aesthetic, the--the sense of refinement and--and refinement through restraint. [birds chirping]

i have been involved in a project in the forbidden city for over the past 10 years. the project is the qianlong garden conservation project, and i'm an advisor to world monuments fund, whwho collababos with the palace mumuseum on this project. we discovered more things behind other artworks that had been hidden for 250 years that were in absolutely perfect condition because they had been covered up for so long, and we were able to bring these to the united states and exhibit them.

the project i'm working on right now in chinese is called ba hua, 8 brokens, and it's a type of painting that arose in the sesecond half--half of the 19th century and kind of died away in the middle of the 20th century and was basically forgotten about. woman: ok. berliner: these are paintings that look like somebody took old calligraphies and paintings and old pages from books, ripped them up, burned them, wormholes eaten n through them, and then pasted themem randomlyn

a surface of the paper, but instead of these being collages, they were actually trompe l'oeil. they are painted but painted to look real... maybe... and when i first saw these, i thought, "wow, what is this about?" and i thought maybe this is all about being antitradition, just ripping up all the old, wonderful treasures ofof chinese art history, but, n fact, i--i slowly learned that it wasas more about nostalgia.a. it was people seeing their old treasures disappearing and deteriorating and pepeople losog respect and interest for these wonderful, ancient treasures. most people e didn't know anythg about them, and even today i

show them toto chinese art historians, and they look atat , and they say, "chinese people did that?" and "when didid theyo this?"?" when i look at chinese art, i think of it as chinese visual culture, not just fine art. i look at visual objects that are created by all different types of people within a society, that it's not the--just the fine artist with the well-known signatures, but it's also people in the countryside who are making patchwork quilts for their beds, or it's people

making woodblock prints because they can't afford to have original paintings hanging on their walls. chinese society is very rich in visual culture, and i think it's important to recognize everything that contributes to our visual surroundings. lee: and that does it for this week. join the conversation with us on social media. we are cctv amererica on twitte, facebook, and youtube, and now you can watch "full frame" on our new mobile app, available worldwide on any smartphone for free. get the latest news headlines and connect to us on facebook, twitter, youtube, and weibo. search "cctv america" on your app store to download today, and all of our interviews still can be found online at

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