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minister adil abdul-mahdi or any other iraqi officials. in a statement, a bloc o of irai parliamentarians condemned trump's visit as a "flagrant a d clear r violation of diplomatic norms." well, for momore, we go to miam, flororida, where we're joined by antiwar leader medea benjamin, cofounder of codepink her recent piece for salon.com is headlined "bring the troops home -- but stop the bombing too." she is also author o of "kingdom of the unjust: behind the u.s.-saudi c connection." welcome back to democracy now! why got you start off by responding to what the president has laid out in the last week, pulling all u.s. troops out of syria, half the troops out of afghanistan? >> i thinknk that is a a positie move, and i think we should be asking for more. we should say we want the troops -- all the troops out of afghanistan. we want to challenge donald trump in what he is saying by
pointing out that he continues to support the war in yemen and the repressive saudi regegime, that he has put us in a dangerous course with iran by pulling the u.s. out of the iran nuclear deal. he continues to support more and more mononey to be staggering pentagon budget. we should d be challenging all f these things and not let him be seen as the "antiwar president posed which he is not. but we need the democrats and others to come out and they we want a real peace plan to u.s. foreign-policy. amy: i wanant to turn to some of the clips, not of republicans, but of demococrats who were condemning whatt presidentnt trp has proposed. for example, let's go to house democratic leaeader nancncy peli who condemned trurump's decision to withdraw troops. with putin.
imagine that is a comment of vladimir putin on the actions taken by t the president o of te united states and relationship to syria. an action taken without the benefit of the thinking of our national security establishment and our intelligence community included in that, a decision made in a cacavalier fashion in terms of our allies in the fight against terrorism -- - a decisin that is dangerous. amy: and this is senator jeanne shaheen ofof new hampshire speaking on msnbc after trump announced e e troowiwithdrawals. >> i thinknk thihis will be considered one of the worst foreign-n-policy blunders s of s century.y. certainly, of this century to date. been completetely defeated. we know ththere is a stronghold where there is still active
fighting going on.n. we k know there aree thousanan f ices figighters who have melted back into villages. amy: that was senator jeanne shaheeeen and before that was te person expecected to be the houe speaker come january, nanancy pelosi. medea benjamin, your response? >> the biggest blunder of the century was the invasion of iraq, which jeanne shaheen was in favor of. it is very unfortunate there are still members of the d democratc party y that voted for the iraq war that are poised to be in very important positions i in governmement right now. we of steny h hoyer as s the majority leaeader, in favor of e iraq war. we have elliott, who was going to be the foreign affairs committee chair, not only in favor of the iraq war, but he was one of the few democrats against the iran nucleaear he is in favor of moving the u.s. embassy toto jerusalalem and is. yet people like adadam smith who is going to be the head of the
foreign affairs committee, took over $250,000 from thehe weapons industry. and only s shifted his positionn saudi arabia, for example, because he was chahallengedd frm the left. we have democrats in high positions who have been pro-war. many o of them v vote everery yr this incredibly ininflated pentntagon budget. and they have to be challenged and they are being challenged by some of the very wonderful democrats we have like ro khanna who hahas been a tremendous champion to try to stop the war in yememen, anwhwhere the wonderful incoming membebers of congress w who have to have the same energy and determinationn that they have around a new green deal to say we need a new peacace deal. amy: i want to go back to president trump, this t time his comments in iraq to u.s. troops. syriatrurump: rebuilding will require a political solution, and it is a solution
that should be paid for by its very rich neighboring countries. not the united states. let them pay for it. and they will. they will. ,n fact, saudi arabia yesterday you probabably read, steppeded o the plate and has already made a commitment of substantial funds for development. of turkeyent erdogan has also a agreed to te e out ay we will l besis, , and working with them. amy: let''s talk about this, medea a benjamin. let's talk a about the u.s. trs being pulled out of syria and what he is saying about saudi arabia. he referred to saudi arabia as saudi a when he tweeted and said they will be financing the rebuilding of syria. this also as the saudi regime has apparently been reshuffled with once again mohammed bin
salman further consolidating power.r. > well,l, i think this is sir toto t trump saying mexico i isg to pay for the wall. pledged in n april a pittance, one hundred million dollars for the r rebuildining f syria, which is supposed to cost sosomewhere around $200 billion. -- what they really need to do is stop the bombing in yemen and a for the rebuilding of yemen. the u.s., this is where we diverge with trurump, should be paying reparations i in iraq and syria and afghanistan for all of the damage that we have caused. a saudi arababia is not goiningo be doing it t all stop amy: andd what about the u.s. relationship with saudi a arabia right nonow? administration, but jared kushner and the prpresident, s still remaining, clearly, extrtremely clclose toe
saudi regime, , this even asas e cia says it has determined with high confidence that mohammed bin salalman was involved with e in n the jamal khashoggi saudi consulate in istanbul, turkey, october 2 -- thee significance of this? >> it is quite extraoaordinary that the president continues to cling to mohammed bin salman instead ofoioing wt otherers in the republicican party are doing of saying -- singling him out as a problem. wewe are saying it i is the ente saudi regime, not mbs himself, that is the problem. we are makaking tremendous gains in congress to send that message. there will be a new vote in both the house and senate to stop u.s. support for the saudi warar in yemen. there also was a unanimous voice votete in the senate to condemn mom m invents, foror being respsponsiblble for ththe murdef khashogg thisis is a historic turnrn inse
the cocongress where it has tremendous -- traditionally been in favor of sauaudi arabia. we have to use this moment and go further, push for a a cut off inin weapons sales to saudi araa , and really use this as a time to realign the united states away from its very destructiveve relationship with saudi arabia and d to have a a more nuanced relationship in the middle east, including one where we are not on the vergege of f trying to me the iran economy collapse and agoing for a war in iran for normal trade relationships and diplomatic relationships with iran. but is our moment to do it, we need democrats to step up and take this position. amy: into those concerned about what will happen to the kurds that have been the allies fighting in syria against isis alongside the u.s., the president trump had a
conversasation with the e turkih arranged erdogogan, they a patriot missile sale too turkey. the u.s. out because they want to go after the kurds in syria from turkey. >> unfortunately, this i is a moment whehen the kurds are in more danger. it is not sosomething that came out of t the blue. they knew this for the last year because trump had been t talking about it and they had started negotiations with the steering government to try to get protection there because the searing government doesn't want the e kurds to come -- thehe tus to come into syria as well. but we in the international community should be doingng tremendous outcry now to stop the turkisish government from ndnding troops into s syria. we should do that at the uninitd nations.s. we should be doing t that in f t of turkish embassies around the
world. this is the time for us to step up as a world commununity to s y no to a turkish invasion of the kurds. amy: and your respononse to a piece today and "the new york your thoughts? >> they've got a strange definition of the left.. i would say it is some of the liberal democrats and many of them have come out against the withdrawal because trump is doing it. but i think -- t this is our momentnt to shine. this is our momoment as the real left to step u up and s say, wed a totatal revision i in of u.s. foforeign policy. we need to look atat the budget particularly t that is ovever $0 billion, and if you put the add-ons in, it is over $12020. we have to stop the trillionn dollllars we supposesed to be spending over the next decadadeo modernize our nuclear weapons. this is the moment for the real
leftft to comeme forward and say divest from the war r machine. people can go to ourur websisito find out how they can help. amy: medea benjamin, thank you for being with us co-founder of , codepink and author of "kingdom of the unjust: behind the u.s.-saudi connection." we will link to your piece at salon.com "bring the troops home -- but stop the bombing too." back, we go back to the antiwar protest of the 1960's and 1970's, particularly in madison, wisconsin. stay with us. ♪ [music break]
amamy: "for what it's worth" b y buffalo springfield. this is democracy now!, demomocracynow.o.org, the war ad peace report. i'm amy goodman. we and today shohow with "the wr at home." that's the name of a classic 1979 documentary aboutut anti-wr protests in the 1960's and 1970's in madison, wisconsin. the academy award nominated film is now getting a second life with the release of a newly restored print of the film. michael moore recently praised the film calling it one of the best documentaries ever made. macklemore wrote -- "the film about resisistance." this is the trailer for "the war at home." >> what you plan to burn your personal cckck in ont t ofhe ternal r renue serervice building here e inadisononhis nning? >> i w wld like e to protest agait thencome tax system cause that is we most of the money goes. 10% is e earmarked e especlly yr vivietna whichch i see as in yor
moral -- immoralal war.. amy: that's the trailer for "the war at home." and for those who are just listening on audio, it's the images of mass proteststs and te images of war and bombing in vietnam. the fi was jusrestorednd rereleased. well, recentntly ,democracy no's nermeen shaikh a and i sat down with one of f the fifilm's directors, glenn silber, a two-time academy award nominee, to talk about t its contemporary significance. i began by asking glenn why he focused d on one towown and one city, madison, wisconsin. >> codirector valley -- very alexander brown and i lived through this experirience. i was there as a college student . amy: at ththe university of wiscsconsin. >> d dairy had gone e to high sl there. or me it was having experienced that very intense antiwar movement that changed my life. i really felt we had lived
through a storyy that had to be preserved. itit had to be put on film becae i think k that is s the best wa- there is no book you can read that will give you the same sense of that tenure experience in madison. think the e best way to tell that story was to usese our community as a a microcosm of te whole periodod. every single thing that had happened anywhere in the country happen in madison. from the very first antiwar demonstration in 1963 wororrieso the protesters wearing suits and tities to four years later weree will see a clip may be of f the demonstration and then as things got more intense after kent state -- john amy: let's go to the dow demonstration. ththis is october 18, 1967.. of the most important demonstrations ever. the university inviteded the makers of napalm, that horriblee weapon of war that should have been outlawed to begin with -- this gel that burns s people to
death -- invited them on the campus so they couould rececruit more fututure nanapalm makers. i think it is important because the university of wisconsin, the antiwar m movement was focused n this. it became a moral issue. it was two years of organizing just a around that issue. when dow chemical came to ththis collegege, the students were ready. they s said we are going to blok you. fromthe movemenent move protest to resistance. up to that pointnt, the protes's work has a resistance, taking our cues from civil rights movements. but with dow, they true a line and they were not going to be ququite as easy to go. this time they also o met some reession they neve saw before. amy: clip of "the r at home." tothe universitwas goingg prprotect out. thplplan w peoeoplwere g going too up to the comrce building, sit downanand the gerd.. time, at thetha stag of conscious active
resistancece. therere was a raight determination toesist bebeing moved from the building ifif the lilice eerered. >> allhey did was come a four or five at a time with club swinng and jt t beathe hell t of eveonone. ththey jt wept down the corridor. >> everyone ran for i it. >> the proroblem transfeferred itself. >> the whole e place was like a war zone. >> the criritical moment was the crowd began n toather. class s wereustt over when the psps moved in. they used tear g.. something like 4 4000 or 500kiks being affect..
suddenly, alall ofhese fin mile-clala kids athehe iverersi off wisconsin are being teaeaas and clulubbed. is a timef i shocor what,ut thereas an awful lof piticalizion the took pce and tt 15 to 2020 mites whwhen the cs just let go with h everything they had. a c clip from "the word home" about the dodow chemical protest at the university of wisconsin. glenn silber, talk about this moment. > it w was a real turning po. the antiwar mode meant in madison -- movement in madison and ashshley they confronteded e pepentagon and the was a a conft like this, but dow chemical of you know, the university was so stupid. they should have just had their little recruitmement often thehe hiltlton or something.
sometimes in movements, i think there are moments when somemethg unexpepectedappened. you and a were very involved in the central america crisis. no one thought it was a good idea to o rate and murderr four became athat t is what turning point to wake people up. amy: and before that, the killing of archbishop romero who is now been -- >> a saintnt. one of the lessons i get out off looking at the war at home today is there is a relationship between a smaller core of people that are the most dedicated organizers and in this case,e, w we can affect 5000 people. because of the overreaction of police. this became a rallying cry. i did nonot get to madison until one year later. it was still resonating. he changed the character. character.ed the it was not like we're gng t to run n ound andnd throw rocks, bt it is going to be a more resistancece. i think en you lk k back a at this whole period a are talngng
about fotoday is s the antiwarr vement aits base is an eight year, sustaiained political resistance campaign with one goalal in mind. it was very focused -- stop the war. last week we learned that general was morlan was planning to move nuclear weapons into vietnam and the fact that johnson, was about ready to declare he would not do it, shows the antiwawar movement had more power than we even knew at the time. i feel lilike by bringing the fl back today, there isis so much u can learn n about our recent pa. i think thee p political culture that came out of that period is still with us today. it is what allows us to have these critical demonstrations of the women's marches or even occupy wall street or the never again gunun violence. i feel like by bringing the story of this one town, madison, wisconsin, and the eight year struggle, that we felt purslane was our responsible to stand up and say no to that war, is
really one that would be well advised to revisit. that is why we decided to bring the film back right now. nermeen: let's shshow more of tt story in madison, wisconsin. another clip from the film "the war at home." you'll hear from allen ginsberg. first, the chief inspector of the madison police e hermon thomomas. >> it isis no secret the police were called pigs.s. we did not mind that soo much.h. t the undercovern operationsns, i dedecided to nae ouour offfficers that worked hogs.over after brds of th worked t very wl. they wouldld sign the reports ba pig name. around 68 instituted a grand mterr plan
toonfuse and disruhe movement and the new left. i ve here a copy of their mamasterlanf jul5, 1960 eight, which ia a 12 pnt programo be undemoctitic, basicall for the cret pole to disrupt publiconversatn. heriffs partmentad people workingndndercor. the university protectnn security had people e working undercover, so to the depapartme of justice, the fb and eve military intntelligee. all o oit togetr. nermn: that s hermanthomas and befo tha renowneoet ," talki about ing heavy involv in the antiwar protest. he had just received documents about cointelpro. washe funny thing is, alan
in town for a poetry reading. i am a distant relative of his. i went and said, you're here in 1966. we wanted to go back to that spot. we had the whole scene w went to cut because it was too long. it was a hit begin, like peace and love in 1 1966. he was chantingg and all of thee people were dancing. it was lovely, but it was too lolong so we cut the scecene. he said, there's something own to tell l you about, new documes about the governrnment's cointelpro, reprpressive undermining the antiwar movement through all of the techniques they had to make them look ridicuculous and ridicululed. that made it into the film. we were in wisconsin and elsewhere e becoming a bit of a threat to the war plan, so much they had to do this sort of insidious ananti-democratic behavioror.
i think one of the things looking back -- when you're so clclose in the middle of a movement, it is hard to get a perspepective on it and you do't see how some of f these events e perfectly connnnected.d. now that we are a full 50 years away from the things he is talking about, you can really step back and have a a better appreciation. when we were m making the film,e werere very young. i was in my 20's the entire time, as was my partner. we felt at theime, this is our stor ople said it is too soonoo ll t the story, y y do what another 20 to 30 yeaears. we said, no, w we don't want someonelse to tell ourtotory. thisis is gointo be a f fight fr the historical memorof that periodod and thais what is s so importan the's another lmlm abo berkey, , but ey t tal about other isissues " stancece. homeme different now. it plays songer no i was the, we're in this
zeitgeist for eveveryone i know wants to be part of the resistance. i went from being very depressed about ththe election anand in kd of a funk like a a lot of his work, to very inspired by the women's marches. then i started asking myself, what can i contribute to the resistance? the answer came pretty quickly. amy: it came in a number of boxes. talked about where you got this archival footage. clearly these cameras riright in the police officers faces, not the interviews you do after, but when they are beating up the students. >> thahat is an n amazing story. i decidided and comommitted personally, i'm going to make this film someheh. i was not even 25 years old. ii started t to collecect photo, audio. i went every week to the historical socieiety of wiscons. they hadad very little. pretty clolo to these e events. then one day the head of the society, film and photo percent, get over herere, i think this
might be your lucky day. he said, we just got a collllection and from wkokow ant is all of the footage shot from 1959 to 1972 on a daily basis. cacar crash on intnterstate 90, dairy associaiation convention,0 students holdiding pickets. for the local news people, this was a curiosity, these protests. there is been a little civil rights stuff, but nothing like this with our own n students. this one is director blake kellog, who just passed would last week at 88, had the historical perspective of understanding that what he had done was important. he did not want it thrown out. but they had been storing all of this materiaiain a shed.d. when my friend picked it up, it was such a mess. it was ridiculous. it was like boxes and boxes and boxes. you did not hear barry's story.
he said if you will catalog it, fix the splices, tell u us whats there, we will let you have itit for free. like a s sweat equity y deal. when i got this colllleague of mine to come back and this with me, the very first box very open up wasas the dow demononstratio. other networks, cigna could get a tax write off if they contributed their video, their film to the historicacal society -- google amounts. all ofof a sudden we had like 10 boxes of zones, , no one knew wt it was about, and we had this deal with the historical society. i'm pretty sure this is the first documentary film ever almost exclusively the visual element that a lot of the archive cocomes from local tvv moves -- news. amy: let's go to anotother clip from "the war at home," which features vietnam vets, like ron and al who we hear from first.
and we came back from thehe war the e vironment here w hososti , eecially to .. ople i ithe peacmoveveme were down on u peopop who wererfor ththwar were down on us >> iuess i gvivitatetoward vets for peace a as an organizationn terms of involvement and the a antiwar moveme a at that poin we have some credilility as guys who habeen in vieam coming back and saying, hey, , it is t working, they'reyingng to you, the light atat the end of the tunnel ain''t there,e, folks. it is e day in, , day ou routine e conduct of the war and he sings kind of happen in vietnam. they are happening. amy: that isis ron carbon and 'l jenkins. talk about what happened then, the mix of the bit now more veterans, the atmosphere come the feeling toward soldiers whwo
had come home and the students. >> i think there's a little bit of a myth i want to clear up, this idea that protesters were spitting on gis. i don't think that has ever actually really happen. if it did, no one was cording it. of course, when we talk aboutut the warn vietnam, it is, in my vi, , a criminalal enterprise wn you think about carpet bombing, tens of billions of bombs being dropped, agent orange, napalm. but i never blame the gis who were senent er therere and who were on the front lines, not by choice, but because j johnson ad mcnamara and presisident nixon were prosecuting a a war. amy: that is glenn silber, two-titi academy award nominee, cocodirector of " "the war at h" film was just restored and rereleased n nationwide. watch our full interview with glenn silber at democracynow.org . new tuned for our two year's specials on monday and
man: i remember years back talking to my dad and saying, "at some point in my career, i'd love to do a deli." and i remember him looking at me in a surprised way like, "really? why? you've spent all this s time in fine dining and trtraveled the world d and traid yourself. why the ... do you want to do o a deli? [bell d dings] i think i was ultimately drawn to the deli because spending so much titime in delis as a kididt was sort of attached to my soul a little bit. it's so part and parcel of my culture and myy growing up and the jewish story across america, but my jewish