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hello to very warm welcome indeed to quadriga and focus this week is on dramatic developments here in german politics. the grand coalition government in berlin as for it being thrown into disarray by the resignation of the leader of the social democrats the junior coalition partner. andrea knowles's her announcement that she was throwing in the towel came after disaster showing for the spd in
the recent european election. chancellor medical said she regretted the decision but pledge that her government would somehow soldier own. critics though are not convinced saying the end is not only for the coalition and that would also spells the end for the chancellor. so a question here -- quadriga this week his coalition crisis medical teetering. and so on so that question i'm joined here in the studio by journalists and offer andreas clue. to say is in effect until a medical now runs a caretaker government with no residual ambition at school that is tragic for germany. and tragic for your indeed. also with us is finished of room from site online who argues that the ruling coalition is shying away. from a reset as she puts it in the end the smart home both policies. and our democracy. and a very warm welcome to the cordova told from the business weekly veterans fought hard. to believe ground coalitions
disrupts the traditional party system. and so two huge shifts within the electorate. very interesting segment thank you all three for being with me here according to this week i'd like to begin with you because a lot. a lot going on here in berlin at the moment talk of crisis in the government why are people saying that the government's days. are numbered. well i wouldn't say that the days you can already counter for for a the next elections to come up but this government is now buying time. and there is not too much probably to expect to be. taken from this government anymore. so from what you're saying the foreign views. foreign countries and foreign into international promise of germany who looking all of the current situation. they can rest assured that sir i'm gonna medical has a steady hand on the tiller. and that the government is more or less functioning as usual. yes they're functioning the managing yes. but they're not.
they're just trying to buy time to find the out who's going to lead the social democrats which is the next step there -- interested in and before that which is probably only after the elections in the east because they're all quite afraid of what is going to happen in the east. not much is going to happen. felicity brought by into a single government under the metals government is being described as a coalition of the desperate and you have said that it's potentially a threat to our democracy. that sounds a lot more dramatic and threatening in danger. i think it's a coalition of losers because the fact that they have lost a lot of voices lots of people don't really want this kind of government anymore. and the longer they and keep the power -- i think they will just harm themselves in the end and not really -- bring up the reforms that everybody urgently needs. address i would like to bring you in the first of all i'd like to go. to a statement from among call
due to camp he's the infertile interventional president you're nodding and dress he's the president of the federation of german industry is to be denied. and he didn't mix his words when he described the growing mood of crisis surrounding angle america's full government. let's listen to what he had to say and then we'll hear from andreas. meet feeling is attainment a lot of the issues the grand coalition and dresses do not or no longer reach a large majority of the total. television government let me make this very clear has gambled away a lot of trust which peake. the coalition government is gambled away loss of trust that's pretty strong words -- is this a dangerous time for people and governments to be rocking the boat. n. not dangerous but the the problem with the trust is that the german economy is supposed both the middle east on to a family owned firms and the larger the listed stocks firms. they are very unhappy because they're simply pointing out what everyone knows is that the there hasn't been any meaningful
domestic reform under merkel ever them the last big reform was a labor market reform under her predecessor. since then she's managed very effectively as several international crisis but she's done nothing and and there are big problems having to do with - investments that are too low germany has been investing too little both public and private sector -- there's the big issue of china and america and little germany in europe getting ground up between them. there's artificial intelligence and the digital transformation words the german economy is behind and now there's climate change and energy and all these other things so there's a lot of things that should be happening. did you know that are masked by the the putative success of the german economy. which could be viewing should be taken for granted ever and that's why a lot of managers a lot of business owners business entrepreneurs. are very upset because nothing's being done you have been not in court. well it was always the big
strength of fungal americal. in good at reacting being with the balancing that sir kind of leadership. now what i think we are quite at some point that that is compatible to the point that -- if her predecessor gatch florida was at he had. we remember maybe it was sick man of europe germany isn't working all these things and had its huge labor market reform we still. of seeing the profits of that. and now we're in a situation that i'm gonna medical should react in the latest election results are a big sign now to do something. climate change is not just about having a price on carbon and having some tax maybe it's about restructuring the whole economy and she should be bold and now taking the steps. taxes all the industry will be changed if you go. on that path the sensitiveness of what is at stake here in germany what isn't that stake in your unit in this crisis -- we
can see in each country populism rising especially the right wing them populism. and i think that germany now has to be strong show that we can be like a a modern working society that can also take a time of crisis -- and stay open while not letting of right wing populism just populace take ove. so this is what is at stake not because i believe that when germany becomes even more -- not or less stable and just dealing with all those little things that we cannot stop this wider movement. so the crisis with talking about came about because of germany's social democrats hemorrhaging support but i'm gonna medicals christian democrats are also under huge pressure -- they too suffered a demoralising set back in the recent european election- for many years now of course the conservatives main asset the unique selling point is be one person who was mentioned alread. after keeping a low profile in
recent months johnson a medical has re emerged and is acting as a pillar of strength. yeah. i think you won't solve it we will continue the government's work with all due seriousness. one five and above all with a great sense of responsibility. last december under the medical handed over responsibility for leading a party the cd you to an accurate come come about. she was to continue maccoll's legacy and sixty terrace johnson in two years time. the christian democrats have little to offer young people worried about climate change. that's clear from the success of this protest video by blogger rezo. this video i'll show you how folks from the c. williams live how they lack the basic skills to do their jobs and how they're wrecking our lives and future. to start. his video the destruction of the c. t. u. has racked up almost fifteen million views. about the cd he has yet to come
up with a coach and response. the chancellor's current crisis management is a far cry from how we can do this starts back in. twenty fifteen on new parliamentary elections on the horizon in germany. lots of talk of fresh elections lots of talk about -- from medical not being able to contain the crisis has she lost her magic touch the kerr has kept her in power for so long. how is she lost it that way that's a very good question i don't think that? she has really a loss that i think many people still appreciate this woman but in the end she just managed a lot of prices and she didn't bring up very -- she can tackle the big questions and the big questions that are now coming to the streets in the big questions that now the youth addressing for example. these were all everything this government did in the past the essence and they are calling like. two thousand five is that they corrected this a little things - winked politics yes that they it may tweak this and that and the- i think and now the people that
just have this bigger questions rising saying hey what happenedd in the past like ten years and and wet wet on the big issues going the weather's changing so fast and why are you not really dealing with these. so the question is then -- dresses it one is for i'm gonna medical axing effectively as a sort of a a parallel german foreign minister on the international stage very visible but at home. why he's failing to tackle the problem so you have both the old three been talking about? well the the immediate reason is that she's she made herself a lame duck. by stepping back m. when there were two by the way you just mentioned what has she lost her touch as minister just said she hasn't lost dramatic tension al. she's been in power for so many years and she still there and she probably will still. eke out. isn't around in the battle. in two and a great come combo
into and she stood there is a very close to i mean to can stick with the metaphors were actually dropping the battle. well this is a problem that we have to start talking about with andy could come combo that great long german name a que que but while you're talking about merkel. cheat. is doing this optimally she's doing this as skillfully as you can in her position to this i don't know cd you. chancellor before her. m. a. at has has done it this well they all were voted out or kicked out or or or pushed out. and we would talk we've been talking since two thousand fifteen about her being pushed out and here she still lives. in one one thing she did was that tactical decision last december. to it she preempted a clue that she heard about by stepping back from the check the chairmanship of the her party yeah two with the intention that a k. k. got it a. k. k. had to fight for it. and with the intention that she could now grew more that a k. k. could to basically do a long internship to become. angle merkel wasn't born chancellor either if you go back to her early years -- as minister and then as as party leader she is she is she had a lot of learning to do to do as
well and so she knows a que que has to do that. a. k. as a less popular now than merkel is germs to like merkel she's also less known and she's struggling a bit now. but but that's what they're going to work on is basically give her an internship -- learn back a bit because you'll be you breaking allowance here for angle americal and saying that she's she's still pretty much on course but at the top of the show we had you were saying. i'm gonna mac was at the helm of a cancer can government with no residual ambition i was i was talking to her meditech just simply. her ability to stay in power okay now the question is she doing anything with that power and you already heard that from karbala. she hasn't really done much with her power all these years -- so the last big reform was -- under her predecessor except for migration but except for well to decision one on nuclear power at which probably was the wrong one as we as we get into climate will have. to talk about is it wasn't this debate is coming up was it smart to exit nuclear power before
coal generated power. is are they going to talk about that and then leave the big one was a on on migration in two thousand fifteen that's true. so she has left a legacy but no there's there's a lot of problems that she can't deal with because she's a lame duck. she did that intentionally tactically to hold on to power okay enough about under the medical for just a moment call to let tell us about the backdrop to a lot of what we're talking about here is this notion of the german folks part time. and the idea that they all and pretty much terminal demonize what do you make of all let it can you explain it's a little bit from view as well as traditional system is probably history now. the latest a european election results have shown that so directionally and and post war germany. of west germany and i'll complete germany we had two camps center right center left and two big parties. one but it would move to the right the christian democrats and one minute the ball to the left of the social democrats. and the idea was that these two
parties always could get a majority and that they had different concepts and if -- one government was not. delivering anymore the other could take over and having these three grand coalitions with underlying medical already -- this whole idea is now. just -- not working anymore because i'm gonna michael has turned to the left uses social democrats some people in a party say and this is not a positive thing and a party. and on the other hand we had before we get out shura. who also turn to the right and was doing something his own electorate wasn't really saying was good thing? so. these are whole idea is now or not working anymore and we don't have any. probably any new parties that give us an idea how it could work. so the traditional german parties being swept aside to a certain extent vanessa bye. bye.
tectonic changes that among those to there's a lot of talk about another tectonic change in german politics. suddenly the social media people are having an influence on german politics is being described as a new generation in german politics. is not all hype or is there something in it. i think there's something in it am i and i wouldn't say social media about people who are very savvy on communication. they know how can cation work say though how to how to get lots of follow is how to and which words to use to really reach a wider audience the younger ones those who are not well educated and so on and so on and m. so they are all. quite young but pros and what they do and they just sneak into the political discourse and we see that the major parties are really failing and understanding them and also -- and adequately reacting to it because they seem so helpless they don't even know what to do with all those kids on the street for example they don't know to what to do with this result video. they they they try to yemen to
on to them by their own videos but these. do not really work because they don't -- they simply experience in it. it's not part of their language. when we were when we talk about- to big parties in denies that it it doesn't quite apply across the board because the new. the new big force in german politics according to our polls from just a couple of days ago. is the greens they are now the strongest polity in german politics according to that one poll what does not come from that address comes that is the direct. counter. to the rise the the preceding rise of the alternative for germany because what's happened is you you have this old left right spectrum. that cortland is grinding through most of post war western history. but then a new spectrum as in other countries in the entire western from france or australia everywhere. which is open closed in the alternative for germany especially after the the big migration year. two thousand fifteen what was the it took the clear stance for a closed society especially
towards foreigners and migrants. now of all the other parties the greens are the ones who took the clear stands for an open society and so you saw that the the people who want to clear. message of closed went for the a fdc but it's stuck nationally at about 13% and higher in the eas. but the people who will who definitely wanted to plump for open they went to the greens the free democrats liberal party could have played that role but didn't so the greens have now also come. to personify to embody openness. and that explains their rise a in the recent years and the question is can they rise even more and even become the strongest party as one poll showed. in court -- the greens are often accuse now when they when when's the other parties -- i looking at that success they're accused of being a a sort of a one policy policy. you were buy into that no no definitely they're not. even say there but no team because they always trying to come up with concepts and be prepared to take over some kind of part of government.
so -- so they're probably not one one issue party animal they are strong -- with climate change in their strong with all the environmental questions -- and they know that they always have to be a bit ahead of all the other parties they have to be a bit of on god and come up with new ideas. they're not always tested these new ideas and also. i'm talking about climate change it's not that they really -- have given us a clear idea how they would do it but in a way they're always trying to be prepared and be part of the next to government. so suddenly climate politics are it seems the dominant political narrative in germany well not quite because serve people in large numbers tend to do things very differently. in the eastern german states. western germany is going green all over the green party is more popular than ever especially with young voters.
the greens are achieving results germany's major political parties can only dream of in the east of the country the right wing populist alternative for germany's growing stronger. in many places they could be the big winners in upcoming state elections. but most of germany's big cities including some in the east of green party bass stands. for the night's climate protection is a major priority they want eco friendly traffic concepts and clean energy. coal mining is being phased out to tackle global warming. many in the affected areas consider this a big mistake and fifth at jobs to them and fired mental protection is a luxury only rich city folk can afford. so who can bring the country together. vanessa who can bring the country together. i don't think the greens a particularly fading so for now they attracting this -- been intellectual elite but i believe
that -- and this is what also the green party always keep saying and they are working on this very hot is that the and the green question or the environmental question is also a social question because when we look at who is suffering from -- from time to change for example yes of course ask about those cold minus but first of all it is a small number we can find solutions for them a globally. and is a completely different people these are the poorest people we have here and they will migrate when and what time it changes and also here in the cities we do we do have to find like and other solutions on how. to move how to be more inclusive about all mobility how to use energy differently so that we can just. keep on living as we live longer or more sustainable and i think that means can tackle these questions another thing what they do is protecting minority rights now we know that the has. not too many minorities in the former east but in the end they also protect from and they also profit from them this this
course because it's all about protecting the poorer ones for example. and that those who are forgotten those who need more a presentation all of these questions are inherently also green. m. issues. cordelia you have been quoted as saying that the east and west a more divided them before i don't know if you meant as a base -- for more recently but you tell me about the d. fine eight because it could be crucial in what happens next in german politics you mentioned this already earlier. yeah there's less common ground now -- as election results show- and it's quite difficult to to get your ideas across in the east and and and you could also argue that -- in the east well there is a lot of rule folks and people have -- to to drive longer to get to work and all these things and they live foley and other apartments it's difficult to to have a a climate friendly policy because it's more it's more expensive for the people there it's hard to to get this idea across that they will. the total profit from it.
so -- and people they feel maybe second time left behind or not really -- a taken seriously like in the nineties like every family there was one or more people who lost their jobs and they had read it to have a huge- modernization to take and now when the middle. generation is gone already the young people moved to the metropolitan areas of the west - the people that are left behind in ut areas in in big region state they think what is coming was he was trying to to take care of us what's next for us we would like to have a share. as well and and they're not really the best ideas get in place. there's one other aspect of thing in the east i'm in the eastern germans didn't grow up with the west german political parties these of big tent party is the center left center right bloc. even the greens there is essentially the unit and and in in a way the most western part is the the party. there was they joined the bundestag the parliament in the nineteen eighties. they came out of the west german
counter culture of the sixties and seventies all of this the stress didn't have nots why you have two parties. that are unusually strong in east germany and really only in east germany which are both protest parties. one is the successor the left is the successor party or the descendant of the east german communist party. and the other is the a. f. t. which in the east both of them and that there are is are there even voter migrations between them and between non voters. but there's actually a lot of them are just giving a middle finger to that. political party system as they see it which they still view as a west german apart party system to some extent. i would totally agree then but i think the problem is not then that they rely on the car or eat lots of meat but then the problem is a problem for presentation. and this is where the parties really have to work on and and see how many politicians from the east we have an all parties and how much are they dealing with the issues that they have there. and these are the things that
really have to be tackled at the moment to to not just let them stick with the aft and the left party and we have these key regional elections coming up in eastern germany and in the autumn in september and october do you think. that that is going to be appointed which the german government really does full opponents. because a lot of people are predicting that the results are going to be so damaging for democracy in germany that says that's going to push the current government over the edge. yes definitely and i don't see how how now we can i don't think that that is now the moment where we can change or not -- i i think we'll just turn out as everybody expects the and the right wing aft especially they will look and be very strong so but we have to also self the the bigger questions behind us like. and what exactly happened that - how do we tackle the misrepresentation and how can we put more money into this area and whether they also? which we must not forget and have a really i your logic
problem and i think this is always hard to say because they will defend themselves and say let we're not on not this but we have. to we see that there are organized right wing extremist groups operating there where big networks and they have lots of money they're going and taught to especially the small towns. they have power in those regions and this is something we you should not like you can all and say there are only a few of those. and coal miners and other people have social for a for a we're going to close now your last one question will begin with i'm gonna medically she going to be an office at the end of the year yes or no andreas. general elections maybe in january. i think she will still stick safer way okay and we shall have to wait and see as they say. coalition crisis medical teetering. joining us on kerr court three get this week -- bye bye for now and hundred years since the firt
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