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>> there are talks to hold it in the u.k. since it was a runner up. ♪ >> hello again. headlines on "al jazeera." human remains found in the amazon rainforest confirmed as missing british journalist don phillips. other remains are thought to belong to an indigenous expert guerrero traveling with phillips. we have more from rio de janeiro. reporter: they say this is part of a bigger picture, it is not just two local fishermen killing
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two people, it is part of a bigger crime scene where there are drug cartels involved, a lot of legal activity going on, and the government has turned a blind eye to it, which has made it possible for these crimes to be committed. >> the european commission recommending ukraine and moldova for members of nato membership. they could vote candidate status. achieving full status could take years. the british prime minister visited kyiv for the second time in over two months. boris johnson was cheered as he walked through the city with president zelenskyy. the president praised u.k. for support and johnson proposed a training program for ukrainian soldiers. president biden says he will not mean saudi arabia's crown prince
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one-on-one next month. biting facing criticism after the white house announced his trip to riyadh. he called it a pariah state after the murder of journalist jamal khashoggi. many injured as a military equipment scheme intensified across the country. demonstrators set trains and buses on fire, calling on the government to reverse its decision. the wikileaks founder julian assange will reverse a decision by the british government to extradite him to the u.s. washington wants the australian to face fine charges for his role in releasing hundreds of thousands of classified lee terry documents in 2009. up next on "al jazeera" "inside story is." >> we understand the differences and similarities between cultures around the world. no matter how you take it, "al
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jazeera" will bring you the news and current affairs that matter to you. "al jazeera." >> the bullet that killed "al jazeera" journalist is revealed. mounting evidence that a special israeli military unit is responsible. will this force israel into taking action? who can conduct the transparency investigation? this is "inside story." ♪ anchor: hello and welcome to the program. "al jazeera" on covered -- uncovered evidence a special israeli unit shot dead our colleague shireen abu akleh. we have a photo of the bullet
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that killed the journalist and occupied west bank last month. it is a type used by israeli soldiers, designed to pierce body armor. investigations suggest abu akleh was deliberate lee targeted while doing her job as a journalist. israel rejects calls for a full and independent investigation. we will bring in our guest in a moment. but first, this report. reporter: the remains of the bullet that killed journalist shireen abu akleh. this image broadcast for the first time shows the type of ammunition used to kill the veteran "al jazeera" journalist in the occupied west bank last month. the bullet is capable of piercing armor and is used in an m4 rifle. using 3d models, and according to forensic experts, the ammunition that ended her life was a 5.56mm caliber. it was first manufactured in the u.s.
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according to the palestinian prosecutor's office and the autopsy report, the bullet entered the lower part of her head, ricocheted off her helmet, and lodged itself in her head. >> a factor that has to be brought into consideration is, there are a number of strike marks on the street next to which she was standing. that indicates to me she did not die as a result of a random shot . the fact that there were a number of rounds that struck the tree and she was also hit would indicate it looks like she was being targeted. reporter: we have used 3d models to identify the types of weapons israeli soldiers were using in this video. we found it was an m4 rifle, the type that uses 5.56 caliber
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bullets. open data supports the fact israeli special unit accused of shooting shireen uses this type of weapon. used in a noncombat situation, fired by the israeli army, fired toward a journalist clearly doing her job. justice for shireen is yet to be delivered. accountability has still not taken place. questions remain unanswered, including if an order was given to kill her. why was she shot, despite being clearly marked as a journalist and posing no threat? what made an israeli soldier target her from such short range? this is further reason the palestinian authority and "al jazeera" media network have demanded an independent investigation into the killing of shireen abu akleh. anchor: let's take a look at the investigations carried out so far. on the day of shireen's killing
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on may 11 israel released a video. just a day later, they disputed the claim. it found the video did not match the location where she was shot. the palestinian authority concluded two weeks later israeli forces deliberate lee targeted abu akleh. "al jazeera" announced the network would file a case with the international criminal court. separate investigations by the independent press, cnn and the washington post, found that she was likely killed by israeli fire. they have now taken the investigation to the icc. palestinian leaders presented their findings to the u.s. administration. they are urging washington to investigate the death of one of its own citizens. >> we think there is enough -- enough evidence by palestine and other outlets, "al jazeera,"
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cnn, washington post, all of these different investigative reports, that prove shireen was targeted without reasonable doubt by israeli soldiers has been printed before -- presented before the biden administration. we ask they do what they did on other occasions where american citizens were targeted, let alone her being a journalist. ♪ anchor: let's bring in our guest from tel aviv, an advocacy director at breaking the silence, an organization of israeli veterans working to bring an end to the occupation. and, a member of the israeli human rights organization. and in miami, and executive director at the u.s. campaign for palestinian rights. welcome all to "inside story."
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if i can start with you in tel aviv. from your experience serving in the israeli military, can you tell us whether the type of bullet used in shireen's killing, the 5.56 caliber, is one commonly used by the israeli military, and for what purpose? >> first of all, thank you for inviting me. hello to everyone who participates with me. i commend "al jazeera" for continuing to dive deep into this investigation. it is important for human rights. definitely this bullet is common, the 5.56. there is a difference with the green tip. that was shown in the investigation "al jazeera"
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conducted. i am not an expert on the different types. i can tell you 5.56 is extremely commonly used. anchor: the israelis know what unit was deployed to the refugee camp the day shireen was killed, on may 11. would they have investigated and questioned members of this unit? what is the process the military goes through when an incident such as this happens, when a civilian is killed? >> it is important to acknowledge that, while the military itself has its own internal investigation, those are not intended for accountability. it is possible that inside the units, some soldiers were
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questioned, but the intent is not really for the result. i can tell this as a former soldier, as one who broke testimony for breaking the silence. there is not any mechanism for real accountability. the reason for that is, israel clearly understands that any real investigation into [indiscernible] it is important to remember, the killing of innocent palestinian's in gaza happens on a weekly basis. israel understands that these lead us to the root cause. the root cause is the occupation, the fact we are sending fully armed soldiers, one of the strongest armies in the world, to fight and shoot at a civilian population.
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that is why there is no way for a military to conduct a serious investigation. anchor: i will come back to you to ask about what your organization uncovered when it comes to the israeli military's dealings in the occupied territory. if i can ask your opinion about the latest revelation about the type of bullet that killed shireen abu akleh. in addition to the investigations led by the palestinian authority, various news outlets like cnn and the washington post, will this force israel to take action? >> let me begin by saying, until now there was nobody, no country, no institution that said no for an investigation. the question is, what type, what
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frame, what body? even the israelis from day one changed the narrative and the story. they are offering palestinians to have a collaborative investigation under observation of a u.s. official. there is evidence, whether investigated by ap, cnn, palestinian authority, and on the ground day one, that all evidence and witnesses were clear that shireen was shot deliberately, assassinated, knowing she is a journalist doing her job. the question is, what body should investigate? this is what israel will reject and i will say the u.s. will reject. anchor: one of the israeli
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demands is that palestinians hand over the bullet that killed shireen abu akleh. they have been reportedly applying pressure on the u.s. government to put pressure on the palestinians to hand over this bullet. would that make a difference whether or not israel gets its hands on this bullet? >> whether or not they have the bullet, any investigation they will do is clear, that they are not accountable, responsible and, they will probably say this is not our bullet. in the media yesterday and today after "al jazeera" exposed the photo of the bullet, the immediate response of israelis was, it might not be ours because a lot of people, activists, have the same bullet. we do not know if it is from the
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army or others using their guns. it does not matter. israel will do everything, if it does not matter in what frame the investigation will be, to give itself and its soldiers and chain of command in the army a clear impunity for its actions without relation to the lit. anchor: it is likely the rifle and bullet used to kill shireen abu akleh came from manufacturers in the u.s. the u.s. pays for 20% of israel's military budget. there is a u.s. law which says the u.s. cannot provide any support or training to any military unit in the world that is carried out human rights violations. how much do you think these latest revelations put pressure
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not just on israel, but on the u.s. government and the biden administration, which is planning a visit to the region? >> unfortunately, not enough pressure. let me start off by saying, during the great march of return, when the people were marching toward the borders of their ancestral homelands, the israelis released a tweet saying, with 30,000 people marching towards their borders, that they knew where every single bullet landed. marching in this military feels confident enough to tweet out they know where every bullet landed, we should know from the day shireen abu akleh was shot we knew where the bullet originated and where it landed. what we are talking about here is accountability. what you referenced is we are looking for accountability and
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justice. sadly we have not seen enough pressure by the biden administration, by members of congress, on the state of israel for a fair and credible investigation or to provide healing for the wound. anchor: do you think upcoming trip by president biden could find answers? >> air force one will fly over shireen's grave as they land in the holy land, palestine. that will be the closest that biden will come to touching the subject. i do not believe biden or the administration cares for the livelihood of palestinian americans or palestinians on the ground. if you want to heal a wound, you stabilize it and stop the bleeding. but the people are fighting for their lands, their homes. they are still behind a blockade
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with no accountability for the death and destruction we saw just last year and over the decades. one last point. we knew who had the bomb that blew up an entire media building last year. the question is, who will hold israel accountable? sadly it is not the u.s. anchor: do you think if shireen abu akleh had been of another nationality and an american -- she has dual citizenship, of course, but if she had been a ukrainian american, with the biden administration have acted differently? >> it is clear there is a hypocritical nature with which u.s. foreign policy is applied. the u.s. has not fallen short of sanctions against states like russia or iran, or several others. yet with the killing of a u.s. citizen with the repeated violations of human rights, we never see the u.s. moved to that result.
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we see the hypocritical nature of this foreign policy, and something like -- and that americans like myself have been demanding change on for decades. anchor: let me find out about some of the work your organization has been doing. tell us about what your group has seen and documented when it comes to the treatment of palestinians by israeli forces. what instructions or orders do israeli soldiers receive when operating in the occupied palestinian territory? is there a difference between the orders they receive and what happens on the ground? >> thank you. it is a very broad question. one of the best ways i can start is, what i was told six years ago, the last time i was in the occupied territories, the first
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thing i was told by my commander when we arrived in that area was that our mission is to make all the palestinians feel that they cannot lift their head up. this encapsulates our military conduct. when we look at what is going on, the declaration of the firing zone, over 1500 people. when we look at violence ravaging on, when we look at home invasions, invasions of palestinian towns and villages on a daily basis, like jenin, where shireen was shot and killed, all of this is intended to make palestinians feel they cannot lift their head up. how would we do it?
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we would send soldiers like me into the palestinian cities, into their homes. when we look at rules of engagement, when are we allowed, when are we not allowed, there is a set of orders of what we are allowed to do, how and when soldiers are allowed to open fire against palestinians. but in the end, when we look at what is happening on the ground, we have testimonies of soldiers. you are in a city, and there is violence against soldiers in many cases, you will see the rules are different. i will give you an example.
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a commander of a brigade a few years ago was thrown on his car by a palestinian youth. he exits the car and shoots that palestinian in his back while he is escaping, not a threat anymore. this commander is still a commander, progressed with zero accountability. this is the guy who gives orders to soldiers on rules of engagement and completely violated them in that scene. anchor: in most cases you say -- let me bring it back to the case with shireen abu akleh. you have an investigation carried out by palestinians. they referred it to the criminal court. "al jazeera" wants to see the international criminal court investigate this. can they be an independent,
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credible investigation to get to the bottom of what happened? >> yes. i think the focus should be whether the icc will indeed open an investigation in the murder or assassination of shireen abu akleh. having submitted the complaint to the icc does not mean anything, but a political legal statement [indiscernible] i think this is the right thing. the question is, what kind of investigation can lead to, remedy the enforcement and accountability? the icc is the only body with the legal frame to deliver personal accountability of specific people that will be found guilty in shireen's death. this is why submitting a complaint to the icc is the most
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important thing on the legal level. on the political level, the u.s. , we heard from the secretary of state and the u.s. ambassador to the u.n. that they were demanding an investigation. the israelis did not object to a collaborative investigation. these kinds of investigations are not enough. they will not lead to accountability or enforcement of imprisonment in case a specific person, whether it is a soldier or commander of a military unit present in jenin the day she was shot, whether the commander of the army itself. this is why the icc is important because it looks on personal accountability that can be enforced on an imprisonment level. no other investigation can do that. just a finish that, other
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investigations will lead to lack of political will to pressure israel to take responsibility, which has no basis and everyone knows what it will lead to. anchor: do you agree that a case at the icc could lead to accountability? >> i think it is the best bet we have. we do not trust israel to investigate itself or shed light on to why that is a fruitless possibility. we look to the icc. this is what the icc was established for. so in times of where people need to be held accountable to the standards of international law, that this body we created collectively, as a world community, would hold those folks accountable. anchor: the u.s. does not support. >> of course, there is a hypocritical nature with which the u.s. policy operates.
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the u.s. is fine promoting values of international human rights, but will not speak loudly when it is their colleagues perpetuating violations of human rights in israel. a repeat offender with which the u.s. repeatedly defends. the icc is more reliable for us. anchor: i was speaking a few weeks ago to a former chief prosecutor of the icc who said a single case in the u.s. could be an option to consider. would you agree? >> i will leave that to other legal minds. we have our hands full making sure at the grassroots level folks know how to take action. we want to uplift the folks, the calls for the icc investigation of the killing of shireen abu akleh. i think there are plenty of
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organizations to take the other steps. anchor: where do you see this case going now? is there any way from your experience serving in the israeli military, anyway there can be accountability here? >> unfortunately, i have to say at this point in time, israel is not allowing any type of accountability about this case, or any criticism against the way we occupied palestinians for decades. we see it not only in this case, but in every type of criticism against israel. unfortunately, the mechanism our government is using is weaponizing in order to block all criticism. that is something we have to fight.
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criticism of israel is not anti-semitism. anchor: thank you so much for a great conversation. thank you for being on "inside story." thank you for watching. you can see the program any time online by visiting our website at for further discussion, go to our facebook page. you can also join the conversation on twitter. in doha, thanks for watching. bye for now. ♪
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