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5:33 am ♪ >> nearly 08 people are kill -- 80 people are killed in tribal fighting in the sudan. what's behind the escalating tension and as sudan's military takeover worseened relations between trikes? this is "inside story." ♪ hello there and welcome to the program. now, over the past week, sudan has seen some of its worst
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tribal violence in years. at least 79 have been killed in blue nile state, close to the border with ethiopia. 200 others have been wounded. fighting between the tribes began on monday. blamed on long running travel disputes, land access. the state governor has imposed a nighttime curfew and banned public gatherings for a month. heftier morgan has more. reporter: this is a residential neighborhood in sudan's blue nile state and it was the scene of fighting between tribe members over a land dispute which started over the weekend. the tribes and several other either niceties have been residing in the blue nile for over a decade. but other trikes retaliated and that has led to the killing of
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more than 80. now, the resulting violence here in blue nile state has resulted in protests in virus parts of the country. including eastern states, southern states and the capital khartoum which on tuesday issue hundreds of members from the housea tribe protesting against the violence that has happened here. blue nile state is the scene of fighting between rebel forces and the decade for decades until a peace deal was signed in 2020. but the latest round of tribal clashes shows that there is a lot to be done to reach the statement permanently. >> well, the unrest has triggered protests in neighboring states. people from the housa tribe set up barricades and set fire to government buildings. they also demonstrated in
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sudan's capital, khartoum. the army took over power last october and upended a transition to rule after bashir was upended in 2019. sudan has a long history of communal violence. fighting had been going on for decades. tribes fusion over land access as well as political affiliations. over 140 people were killed last june in a land dispute in western darfur. in 2020, the juga policy for peace was signed. let's bring in our guests. in london, we have the founding director of confluence advisory.
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a think tank based in khartoum. in khartoum we have muhammad ahman. a sudanese journalist and in london, julian lusk. a sudan analyst and a chairperson of the society for the study of the sudans. a warm welcome to you all. obviously this is a very complex situation. julian, i'm going to start with you. you've been working on sudan and whether you nile for many years. can you remind us of the drivers of conflict that we've been seeing in the area for so long? >> well, i wouldn't say that we've now seen a lot of conflict recently. it was very common until in break out but it's true nationally there have been all kinds of conflicts, most of
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which people relate to the government. they say the regime has instability because it hasn't got a social and political base. it's just the military regime that took power in the coup last october so therefore it has to find something to attract people. people feel insecure so they say whoa, maybe he should -- we should turn to the military but also because it distracts people from protesting about the lack of democracy, calling for human rights and justice, peace, all the things of the revolution of 2019. >> i want to press you on the history of blue nile and the drive as a conflict. they had the land disputes. what are the big issues there? >> i think the main issue at the moment is that the housa people that you mentioned earlier, have been in sudan for about a
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century. as an ethnic group they settled from west africa from colonial times and a lot of them went to work on pump schemes and agricultureture deem but they were never given sudanese nationality and land rights in the sense of what they call indigenous land rights in sudan. somebody could buy a house or guardsen or farm. the tribe as such didn't have access to that and this has been stirred up now as an issue. they've asked for lands rights and somebody else is stirring this up and making other evident nick groups -- people from other event nick groups think that the housa have come to invade their land. given that the country is in a very poor state economically at
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the moment, people are hungry. >> given that there are these conflicts and all the stirring up going on. i want to bring in -- there are obviously a number of explanations for what's happening in blue nile at the moment and specifically the timing of it. a lot of these dynamics also seem taking place away from the region. because a number of the groups who signed that 2020 peace agreement are seen as having sided with the government. do you think the peace agreement has changed local mix on the ground? >> undoubtedly the face agreement has stirrupped up a lot of consternation because it wasn't signed by all the groups for a start. it was only signed by the weaker, smaller groups who were attracted by the idea of getting their hands on a peace of the pie and the position in khartoum, which has happened.
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their position on the coup last year in october was in part to ensure these gains they had made through the peace agreement but the peace agreement didn't make peace between the groups in khartoum and two, the face was made really between the heads of these armed groups and generals in khartoum. it wasn't made anywhere near the local level so you're seeing new conversations opening up in order to assert their rights and what they want from the state. >> there are also allegation that is very powerful local leaders, say in blue nile, who are also wielding power in car team are stoking these tensions, perhaps, even arming some local groups, muhammad, what do you make of that? >> in traditional tension is something traditional and old. as well, the event nick tension in sudan is something
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inhermitted by the long civil war with them. but what is happening now is the kind to have shaping the future of -- between a lot to have political -- and among the local leaders themselves because you see that, especially after the coupe, there is a wild politicization of these local leaders, so this is why the conflicts is jurying from one place to other because the competition of resources, competition of the power and competition over how to shape this future. what is happening in this time is not that normal cycle of traditional tribal violence in sudan. it moved from blue michael within three days and today there are wild protests in khartoum as well and the police
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have disperseeds them. this is a problem. i did talk welcome protest iraqis in the housa trike and they said they've been started bill the old regime affiliators. so write know that the base of this socio-climate change in sudan, displacement, the civil wars, all this is part of the traditional conflict in sudan but what is happening amp ward is the balance of power have pushed all these groups, especially the elites of these groups, to compete over resources and the power and with the hands of the former regime. of the security. -- among the local communities that live together for hundreds of years for the indigenous
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groups or for the groups who came to sudan like the housa like a century ago -- 1 >> sure. i want to bring in kolude again here. we're talking about multiple actors, all of whom have different agendas. in your mind are from individuals here stocking some of these problems in these areas? >> it's developing very quickly so it's very difficult to keep ahead of what credible reports there are and aren't. there are certain groups from khartoum. some oppose it's the deputy chairman of the solve council -- soften council who is possibly arming some of the groups. also the fact they've played an
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integral role there in bringing out the decisions about the possibility of the housa having a native ha administration type representation. which is an informal triballal-based representation and that has been denied to him and this is part and parcel of this conflict. >> do you have concerns that this conflict will broaden, both in terms of area and acts iraqis here? >> i think that largely depends on what the central government in char tomb wants. i agree with what mohamad said about the intervention of the government and also they'd mentioned hamenti. this was supposed to be tackled in a national conference. it was supposed to be tacked in international conference and
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that, the kind of issue of whether land rights would gip and end. that would have been part of that. that didn't happen, partly because of delays over other things but then because of the coup. so the military now has no interest in settling thiscy so the questions of where the weapons come from is a very pertinent question. i don't think it's likely to still over into ethiopia but, of course, any tension near the border, given that there has been tension between the two government, that's office a possibility. it makes it even more sensitive than it was already. >> part of the peace agreement was also about integrating rebel
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forces into the arum. it does seem that troops raul: with on a recruitment drive to try to grow their own power. do you think that's also cricketing to the violence we're seeing? >> yes, absolutely. the compromises between continuous compromises of 2019, income which this aagreement was one of those compromises. the main come promises was to have been the military and civilians in general. so this has created a kind of hybrid government. also, that happened among the different movements who actually divided between the civilians and the military.
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the root causes of the problems -- it actually takes into consideration the concerns of the elite about how to fit in the power between the elites of the liberal moments and the coupe. >> when lock-time lead every bashir was removed in 2019, a three-year power sharing was established. in just over a year, the military arrested him, seized power andtured pro tests. he was reinstated and since thes expanded its powers. he was sworn in as the head of the ruling counselor and protests have been held nearly every week sings october. a lot has been made of this rural-urban divide.
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how much support is there for these street prokefses -- protests we've seen in khartoum across the rest of the country? >> the street movement has been very good at tapping into the core concerns of people across the times. they're able to maintain to a large degree, as you say, weekly protests, sometimes more than once a week, since october of last year. to me that longevity and ability to support a protest stells me there was a large amount of support for it. we have seen, for example, the latest protests take into this idea that we are all family. we've seen general in the river nile state really speak to an i
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lab identity and the sort of power ininnocent that and general he mete with the periphery finally having its time, so this drive politics at the top which we've been watching that the two generals are ill atize with each other. it looks to be burdening in -- burgeoning into a much broad every issue. with so many violence taking place right now, it's going to be quite different to chang changing that without tree kyrie changes amount the top. >> there were talks brokered by the u.s. and called rain. they've stopped. there.
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a movement by the africanine, a process that also seemed to have stalled. how do you maneuver a way forward when the people who are running the prozest and when the revolutionary councils don't want to come to the table at all. >> many people on the outside, non-suedien these are talking very much as if this was just a military government. but the suedien these they talked to, mostly one of the first things they say is this is the old regime that's come back. that it's very well orbed, very determined. very well funded. this is not just a few angry man. it's a structured organization and gets people back into if
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civil services and into the military, to the extent that they ever left. many of them were just there throughout the revolution and young revolutioners have done an amazing job with? the world should glen it. but they're not used to those kind of politics at the institutional level and the revolutiony committees are not really equipped to deal with this. it's very difficult to see who can. it's not just a question of the military saying, yes, we'll have democracy and his last memo -- it's clear they have every intention of controlling these elections and then they will
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presents there as a popular government. >> i want to bring in muhammad here because he's on the ground in khartoum and living with all of these economic hardships and obviously this is all building towards some kind of breaking point. what. the situation like for you now in khartoum day-to-day? >> what happened, the economic hardship in sudan, since october 2000, 2021. we know the sudan these are suffering from economic hardship since 2009 and earlier but over this last year until to you, it's unbelievable really of how the situation is very hard. the pricings are soaring too much in local markets.
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you know, there are the problems of the -- the fuse for the fuel and -- so, and you see now that the coup government actually i is -- has failed to prilled the basic necessities for the people. the prices are doubling mr. times. it's called zhoo dudeen these day after day and day. the climate after the u.s. dollar, so the security, even in khartoum -- the personal security for if serve really difficult. you know what happens in the is unalso affecting on the capital. most of the consumers are
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whatever the good needs? in the reference of the country and the consumer setting khartoum. you may know that the -- $18 million, like 40 off the population is in this cough. so all this with the reflection of the international food prices, it's also impacting the country too much. >> obviously a very dire situation and i do want to -- i'm sorry, i don want to look at how this is playing out outside khartoum. we've seen violence-esque hate almost in other participates of the country. we've been talking about a realistic governance vacuum that we're seen.
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if the variance is being driven not only by economic hardship but with shifting alines, either way, should we be expecting more variance like this? other parts of the country? >> unfortunately, yes. there is this regime that we have right now. but it's not really interesting in governing. we've seen that in their ability to be able to fan far some of the quick crisises. what their chief goal spy is remaining in place and surviving. with that in place, it seems like it's going to be ethnic tensions and lands grab storing up and accessing resources in order to great war chests for any upcoming confrontations. what that means, obvious, is we
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were quickly hurtling towards a similar till temporary -- militarized response ramp atlanta we saw during the transitional period, which was using america to solve some of these issues rather than picking up group. in many ways those constituents now feel they've been stranded by these former leaders. and we're going to see far more integrations of conflict. >> thank you to all of offer guests. and thank you, too, for watching. you can see this freshman anytime by visiting our website. alinto -- al and go to our facebook page for
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