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. we are live in new hampshire in manchester tonight. i think everybody expects the news to be all politics all the time right now. but the rest of what's going on in the world refuses to go along with that presumption. today, for example, we got word that in the midst of hardcore confrontation between iran and the west, including iran and us, a u.s. navy destroyer has directly engaged the iranians in the arabian sea. that sounds very scary until you get to the part about which iranians they were and what exactly the u.s. navy did to them. iranians in question were fishermen on an iranian merchant vessel that had been captured by pirates more than a month ago.
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the navy destroyer, "uss kidd" heard a distress signal. they boarded the iranian ship, captured the pirates and rescued the iranians. let's see ahmadinejad turn that into anti-american propaganda. we also got big news today about things unexpectedly getting better at home. the unemployment rate dropped to its lowest in three years today. down to 8.5%. the economy added 200,000 jobs last month. manufacturing jobs are up. we loft manufacturing jobs every year for 23 straight years but now we have added them for two years in a row. even construction jobs are up. the the first time we've had a growth in construction jobs in five years. factories are upping production. consumer confidence is up. even was are up a tiny bit. we talked on this show last night about a few little green chutes. today a whole new lawn sprouted up. the only down side in the jobs number right now is the public sector. private sector is doing much better, thank you. the public sector, the number of government jobs is still
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dropping as it has throughout the obama presidency. seeing the government jobs numbers shrink month after month after month makes it feel a little weird when you see all the republican candidates for president out on the campaign trail here demanding that obama stop growing the government. >> if you like the way that this enormous expanse of government is going and the power and control for the people, then i'm the great alternative. >> given that government is the only category of employment that is persistently dropping during the obama administration, this critique is a little bit weird. but then, honestly, being here, i feel like it is all a little weird right now in this presidential race. in the midst of the reporting, of how mitt romney is ana them ma to south party republicans, and that the tea party hates mitt romney, out comes new polling that shows mitt romney
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with a huge new lead in south carolina. a new poll puts romney at 37% in south carolina up 17 points from last month. santorum at 19%. romney at 37%. ron paul at 12%. rick perry tweeted this picture of himself at a shooting range today saying he was on his way back to south carolina. he is going to need more than good aim when he gets there. he's only polling at 5% in south carolina right now. jon huntsman is at 1%. so the common wisdom was that mitt romney was supposed to be anathema in new hampshire. that's bull pucky. rick santorum is supposed to be surging after his iowa win this week. that's the common wisdom. being up here today, i can tell you mr. santorum is attracting crowds, but the crowds do not necessarily seem to like what they are hearing from mr. santorum. so this is the rick santorum event at the dublin school in dublin, new hampshire, web just drove to. it's packed. everybody is telling us we can't get in.
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so let's try. i went to this crowded, crowded rick santorum event at the dublin school today in southern new hampshire. it definitely was crowded. i couldn't get past the overflow room, even though i tried. interestingly, even from the overflow room, his speech did not have a single applause line. i did not talk to anyone who was there to see him speak who supported his candidacy or who liked what they were hearing. the aggressive questioning and criticiing of mr. santorum from the students and crowd at the event earned nasty headlines about yet another crowd confront, mr. santorum today. another santorum event in nearby kean, new hampshire, this morning had the same reaction. talking points memo was there describing shouting and booing at mr. santorum from the crowd. they quote the one woman at the event responding to mr. santorum expressing anti-gay views by saying, quote, this is twisted. another elderly man saying of mr. santorum, shame, shame. both those events were today in new hampshire. this is what happened to him yesterday in concord, new hampshire.
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>> i feel that they're a hazardous thing for society, so i would -- listen. i -- i form that opinion from my own life experiences and having experienced that. i went to college, too. so i -- i would make the argument that states have the rights, but they don't have the right to do what they want to do. they have the right to do medical marijuana laws legally but don't morally have the right to do things that are harmful to the people in their community. therefore, i think the federal government should step in. okay? i'm out of time. >> the event that mr. santorum was booed at yesterday, some of which you saw there, was in new england college convention, which was still going on today. that's where i went today to try to convince jon huntsman to talk with me. i'll have more on that in a moment, it involves a chase scene.
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people at that event wanted to make it clear that they were not booing rick santorum at that event because of him expressing anti-gay views that they disagreed with. what was explained to me today, they booed rick santorum because they thought he was being sort of a jerk to the audience. >> really his attitude and his treatment of the students. >> it was his demeanor, not his stance? >> the fact is, it was a 17-year-old high school student that had the courage to stand up. he asked the audience to defend their position. she stood up and did. and then he has -- he's berating a 17-year-old girl, not letting her answer the question. switching it around on her. using these really slick political arguments and the audience reacted very viscerally. he was just berating this girl. >> he tried to bring up the polygamy statement and say if a man and a man and a woman and a
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woman can get married, why not three or four? the girl says, that's irrelevant. he said, no, no, it's not and interrupted her. he's like, if you can't argue with reason, and what we're dealing with is reason, then we can't have this conversation. basically calling her dumb. >> if you're not smart enough to talk to me, i'm going to move on. >> you guys are saying it wasn't just a confrontation between an anti-gay marriage candidate and a pro-gay marriage crowd. it was people reacting to -- >> the way he treated her. interrupted her basically said you were too dumb to have the argument. he wanted to use his method. well, if we can't possibly argue with reason, then we can't, you know -- you're not being reasonable, yourself. you know what i'm saying? you're not letting us answer, you know? so, yeah, you don't treat a 17-year-old like that. you know, you should at least have the respect of any individual, no matter who they are, to let them answer. someone asked him, you know, what he was willing to do if he was in the white house as far as exercising compromise, you know. he stands up and says, well, compromise is necessary for any government to run. and absolutely, i'm all for it. then he says, but i find it hard to compromise with somebody who
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doesn't have the same values as myself. i was like, let me get my dictionary out and look up what compromise means. >> you only want to compromise with people who already agree with you. >> exactly. that's exactly what he said. >> that's a recipe for a happy life. >> right. really. >> thank you for helping me understand that. that's great. >> everybody was talking about him. we just were like, that's not going to happen. >> thanks. does it cost you something with the other voters if they see you tangle with a person like that? >> i don't know. i think to some extent, people admire folks who stick to their principles. on the other hand, if it becomes clear nothing productive is going to come from the exchange, you start to sound like a bully. why not move on? >> one other gentleman i spoke to today described that event. the word he used to describe what rick santorum was doing at the event was hectoring in a way that was inappropriate for new hampshire voters in general. he said, i don't know, maybe he
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is playing for south carolina, since there were cameras in the room, but he wasn't playing for new hampshire. i also had the chance to spend time today with the editor of the "concord monitor" a major paper here. as psyched as the common wisdom says republicans are to go. against president obama this year, she says her view from here is that people actually aren't that psyched at all right now. louise, thank you for doing this. >> absolutely. >> you do this every four years. does your work flow at the paper increase like exponentially because this is all happening? >> absolutely. it's dramatic. we have regular news to cover. >> yeah. >> about what real people's lives are about when they live here. there's all this on top of it. for my staff, it's really fun. they're covering school board meetings and covering jon huntsman and newt gingrich and stuff. pretty heady, particularly for young journalists. is it's fun. >> when you -- in terms of the buzz and the amount of work and all the things you have to think
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about this year compared to other years, is this a more buzzy year or less? >> it's absolutely less to tell you the truth. four years ago because there was a democratic race and republican race, there was double the excitement, double the interest in readers, because everybody was interested in voting. now it's probably just 50% or 60% of the people who buy the paper every day. i think the candidates were more fun. the stories were more fun. people seemed really passionate about the people who were running. there's much less of that this time around. >> so the difference is in part that obviously there's only one party who's contesting this, but you're saying also even just among the republican candidates people aren't psyched? >> you know, i think there were people last time around who would have given their right arm for john mccain if he asked them to. people really excited about him. people were really excited about obama. they were really excited about hillary clinton. you could go to parties over christmas and this is what people are talking about. it's not really the case.
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i think mitt romney has an awful lot of support but you don't see people psyched. the candidates aside from romney, they're very different from one another. the idea that they could pool their resources somehow -- it's a bit farfetched at this point. >> yeah. it's over before it began. >> yeah. yeah. >> it does feel like kind of a nonconsequential new hampshire primary this year. >> well -- >> there's no suspense, unless romney doesn't win by 20 points. like what else would be a relevant outcome? >> i heard a guy on television talking about if he wins by merely 20 points, maybe that's -- 20 points in an election that he just won by eight votes? it seems pretty good. yeah. you know, it's funny from a journalist standpoint, you sort of think, romney, it seemed like romney was going to win when we started this thing, you know, a year ago and we've been covering it all this time. here we are. it's not that it hasn't been interesting along the way, but in the end it feels like we're starting, we're ending right where we started. it's very strange. >> feels like we're ending right
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where we started. it's strange. it is strange. the common wisdom is new hampshire's race is really important. common wisdom is rick santorum is surging and people really like him. common wisdom is mitt romney can't win in south carolina. the view from here is that all of that common wisdom is bunk. joining us now is my pal and colleague chris matthews, host of "hardball" at 5:00 p.m. and 7:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc. latest book is "jack kennedy: elusive hero." happy new hampshire. >> i don't know about that report. it was rich. it had a lot of anthropology in it. not just in the mores fight between rick santorum and the rest of the world but in the mood setting. i mean, that reminded me of the way politics was before it got exciting, with kennedy and that era. the '60s, '70s. since then it reminded me of denmark politics, oh, yeah, i guess we have to vote. that's scary when american politics becomes so routine and lacking in romance and phenomenon. there's no phenomenon to the race.
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what's the excitement in the race, the unique selling point of this election in massachusetts or new hampshire? there's no unique selling point. there is nothing here. >> seeing a big crowd and wanting to go to a santorum event because everybody was telling me he's getting the crowds. i was really excited. there's a lot of people here, they tell us i can't get in. i get in, everybody's bummed out and booing him. nobody's happy to hear what he was saying. nobody was there as a supporter. i'm sure it's not true everywhere in the state. people are not psyched about this race. >> i get criticism for saying back in 2004 i got a thrill up my leg about obama speaking because he talked about our country a guy named barack hussein obama from an exotic background if you will becoming president of the united states. it's the only country in the world that would actually be like this. that's exciting. romney is just the guy whose turn it is. i heard the editor of the concord paper talk about you could have predicted this election in your sleep.
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this was going to be romney for regional regions. he's the local guy. what else is new. that's pretty sad. i do think it's interesting, even on the liberal side, the progressive side, obama has yet to excite the base yet. we're going to see it's symmetric in a sense this is a year without excitement but there will be a crash of views here. it's going to come. romney has married into the right to get this nomination. he has basically seduced the right by claiming he's a conservative. a right winger in many ways, a hawk in many ways. not what he was all those years up in massachusetts. growing up, he wasn't a hawk growing up or a right winger. he was prochoice. now he's saying, that's not true. myself trying to erase that and move to the right. i do believe the obama people, the strategists -- i don't want to be coldly political about this. they have him in a boxed canyon. he's going to the right. they can slam the door on him. he's there. that's what he's done to himself. >> when romney -- i mean, we're in this discussion, we're assuming it's going to be romney.
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we can talk about whether anybody else has a chance. >> because the numbers you just presented. they're strong. >> they're strong. for them to be strong, so strong here and increasingly strong in south carolina, does sort of feel like a door is closing. anything could happen. in fact, anything could happen between now and tuesday. this might get exciting. >> i love the way you said that. the phenomenon of politics is what saves it from being boring. even after florida, even if he wins these four in a row, after florida, months and months of exposure, knowing he's the republican nominee in effect. and all those weeks and weeks and months really from, say, from february right through november. all that exposure, that's a dangerous time for him. all that time to do opposition research, for him to make a mistake. for people in the party to have problems with him. >> when is the tipping point from when the republican also rans and the republican would-be contenders stop feeling desperate, oh, geez, this is my last chance to beat romney and start feeling like they have to get on board the romney train?
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>> in the near term, saturday night and sunday morning. remember the movie, "saturday night and sunday morning." that's this weekend. it's a doubleheader. it's an overnight. this is not original with me. certainly after interviewing him the other night, last night, clearly newt gingrich is loaded for bear. and i wouldn't get into he's angry. that's petty. it's not high school. he knows he has to get back on his feet again. he knows he's been beaten hard. he has to get back. there's a bit of a personal animus. which will make it interesting in any competition. romney knows he's coming. there will be blood tomorrow night. >> isn't that the same -- isn't that the same calculous for every single one of these guys? except for the ones who have given up and are around trying to get a book deal or something. isn't it the case the only way any of them can move forward is over romney's back? >> he has to -- >> they all have to kill romney. >> win the intramurals first and become the non-romney first. that's the problem. they have to -- clearly coming -- in south carolina there has to be a main challenger at that point. >> yeah. >> who's going to be the main challenger?
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perhaps the one who wins up here, comes in second up here. i'll tell you, the whole discussion you had in your piece there about rick santorum, i watch rick santorum develop. a lot of people voted for him in pennsylvania thinking he was like any other moderate pennsylvania republican. the long tradition going back to bill scranton and the eisenhower republicans and hugh scott, they all thought he was one of them. then they got in there and watched him for a while develop into this guy who's a home schooler, extremely pro life, extremely anti-gay in terms of gay rights and gay being. they said, this guy isn't the kind of republican like tom ridge. he's not a suburban regular republican. he's different. in new hampshire, you're seeing the realization he is different, he's not a regular republican. i'll say this in his favor. he doesn't change. it's always been rick. rick will have problems with modern mores. the trouble with the kids when he meets with young people, he doesn't want to listen. if he wants to hear -- has he ever said, you know, you're right? barry goldwater, who everybody
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thought was a principled man, a wonderful man in many ways, very libertarian and very good on gay rights at the end and pro choice and all. barry goldwater was on the floor of the united states senate and debating whether or not 18-year-olds could vote for not. somebody said, you know, we make them fight. we draft them at 17, 18. we send them out there in the arming them. they go kill germans, go kill japanese, go kill communists. should we let them vote on that? goldwater said, you know what, you're right and changed his vote on the floor and his whole philosophy about it. has rick santorum said, it's a constitutional issue, not a religious issue. and i disagree with you based on my religious training and belief, you know what, that's not for me to say. >> chris matthews. >> that's a song title, isn't it? johnny mathis. >> chris matthews host of "hardball" on msnbc. his new book, "jack kennedy: elusive hero" which you should buy. my adventures trying to meet jon huntsman were caught on
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how's everybody this morning? do we have any voters in the room? we have to be real. we have to draw from ideas that are doable and not sound outlandishly stupid. thank you all very much for having me. >> i'm trying to anticipate that as his vehicle. >> the old campaign end-around. >> i know. >> what's your goal for tuesday, governor?
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your goal for tuesday? >> exceeding market expectations. >> it's interesting that he's -- i think a lot of this group is for him. so i'm not sure how -- someone's right there in the middle who doesn't look like me and might have a better chance. >> we have to get out of here. >> if you were president today, when would you leave afghanistan? how quickly would you leave afghanistan? >> there's a year until i'd be in office. i'd say by the end of the first year, 2013. i would draw down. not 100, 90,000, but maybe something that represented the real challenge in southwest asia, which is a counter terror challenge and that would be 10,000, maybe 15,000.
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>> do you think governor romney would be a credible, strong candidate? >> we'll let the people decide. >> taking lots of questions. >> who those ultimate successful candidates are to take on obama. >> when you saw the scrum today after huntsman's talk, was that totally atypical for what it's been like with huntsman thus far? this is new for huntsman? >> i used to be the only reporter following him around, rachel. i'm not kidding. it's change a lot in the last month. more and more people are coming. you see the national reporters from washington. today as i told you earlier it was completely unprecedented. i've never seen him mobbed and walking and told not to do an avail. usually huntsman is the kind of guy after an event, he wanders up to reporters, hey, guys, what you got for me? we fire away and he's so nice and takes every question. i think now everyone is sort of paying attention and maybe their strategy is changing. >> do you think because there's more media here so everybody's getting more media or more
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attention to jon huntsman specifically? >> i think jon huntsman is under a lot of pressure. he didn't campaign in iowa. he has no track record up to this point in terms of elections. we're seeing everybody say, all right, is this guy in? are we on a death watch? and so i think that's the thing. four days to go. this guy only campaigned here. he's in the single digits. everyone says he has the best resume of the republican party. he's major i major interest. he used to say in every stump speech, i'm going to put you on notice, we're going to win new hampshire. now he says, we're going to do well, we need a ticket out, we need these market moving events. it's four days to go. as reporters we're waiting to see what happens. >> out of all of the arcs of all of the different campaigns you have seen over these months, who has surprised you as being better than people think or better than you thought they would be or who has improved the
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most? >> in terms of their personality? >> how they perform as a candidate, how their campaign works and how they perform as a candidate on the stump. >> i covered rick santorum eight days in iowa ahead of the iowa straw poll. i was really, really surprised by their determination and by their organization. and rick santorum for all of the positions that he holds that people say are very far to the right, he's got a personality and he believes without a doubt what he says. it is part of his soul. he makes that known in a way like, okay, this is me, take it or leave it. >> it connects with people. >> it works with people. i think that's why he is slowly starting to see this surge. today he got in the double digits in new hampshire polls. that's never happened before. >> you're expecting santorum to do well? >> i don't think he's going to do as low as we thought. i don't know how well he can do. mitt romney has an incredible organization here. they are a machine and know how to i.d. voters. they're out there. there's never been an event that isn't very, very well done. >> yeah.
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>> in terms of production value. so it's an interesting race to watch. i just think, you know, everyone thought huntsman was going to explode on the scene. if you put in this many number of events and can't get to that point, i wonder, you know, kind of what's -- >> if you plug jon huntsman the candidate into romney's campaign? >> possible. >> possible. >> possible. but mitt romney is very, very, very practiced and he's been through this before and he knows what to expect. i think to a certain extent huntsman, if you had that, maybe. maybe. >> jon huntsman 2016. >> yeah. i've been asking him. he doesn't answer yet. >> jon huntsman 2016. is that such a crazy idea? big thanks to nbc news campaign reporter jo lynn kent who's been up here forever and was nice to take time off the trail to show us the ropes today. governor huntsman, you open
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invitation any time you would like to come on this show. if it makes any difference, there is a republican who is running for president who is totally up for being our guest on this show. he is not afraid. he'll be on the show live tonight here. i'm saying, governor huntsman, i do not bite unless you want me to. we'd love to have you. ok! who gets occasional constipation, diarrhea, gas or bloating? get ahead of it! one phillips' colon health probiotic cap a day helps defend against digestive issues with three strains of good bacteria. hit me! [ female announcer ] live the regular life. phillips'.
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this may not be the hardest fought new hampshire primary in history, but the war for campaign sign real estate is at defcon one at least.
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sign assessment. as far as i can tell, everybody's signs are some shade of blue, mostly blue blazer, navy blue. jon huntsman has chosen wine. why, jon huntsman, why have you done this? wine? really? not even power red? come on. wine? couple things i want to point out here. the one thing that is in italics on the entire sign out of its many, many fonts, join, join, join. it's italicized. the capital "f" fight. why is it capitalized? at santorum bold. fight. it's a little weird. the fight being a capitalized thing makes it seem like it's some sort of a, a proper noun fight. okay. while we're talking campaign signs, can you see me? there we go. while we're talking campaign signs, here -- [ honking ] there's a horn. i don't think that was for me.
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here's a very rare sight. it's a fred karger sign. the fred karger for president sign, the only sign in which a candidate has put his own face. go, fred. so jon huntsman, i question the color. rick santorum, i questioned the inexplicable italics and capitalization. fred karger has a sign. awesome. there's a clear winner up here in the war among the signs. there's a candidate who has by far inarguably the best signs in state of new hampshire. the sign and the candidate, next. why do we have aflac... aflac... and major medical?
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sign right here. america needs buddy. inarguable and artfully presented. really in "the rachel maddow show" colors. that's the best sign. >> america needs a buddy. even if it's not in "the rachel maddow show" colors. as "the rachel maddow show's" executive producer bill wolf points out astutely standing in the median at sunset, you can't argue with the buddy message. buddy roemer now 0 for 18 when it comes to being asked to participate in nationally televised debates. a lot of americans have so far preferred buddying up to the likes of ron paul, rick santorum or michele bachmann over the four-term u.s. congressman and former governor. on our way to the campaign stop in new hampshire today, i asked "the concord's" editor why it's been so tough for mr. roemer to get traction as a protest candidate. >> i will say, there's this woman who's one of my most regular letters to the editor writers. i hear from her all the time, all week long. she can't not write a letter to the editor. she's a democratic activist and
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she's involved in democratic politics in her town. and the most shocking thing i've heard from her this year is she has switched from her democratic registration to undeclared, solely so she can vote for ron paul because she cares so much about getting out of afghanistan. >> wow. >> i don't know if she speaks for anybody but herself but she's really disappointed with obama and willing to say so publicly, which is unusual, you know? she wants to use space in my paper every three days to tell people to vote for ron paul. it's interesting. >> as a protest candidate. essentially as a protest candidate? >> there's a lot she likes about him. she likes buddy roemer who's somebody that people who watch national tv shows probably don't hear that much about. his whole thing, he hasn't gotten much airtime. i don't think they're going to let him in the debates. >> boy, has he got airtime with me. i've got like a buddy roemer standing order on my -- i think, i'm hoping he's going to be on our show tonight. but he's the only candidate, he's the only republican candidate who will talk to me. maybe we'll get rick santorum today. you never know.
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buddy roemer is capturing people's attention. people who are policy motivated i think. >> yeah. >> he's got a really strong message on money and politics. >> a lot of those people are not republican party voters. so they may -- that's a protest vote. that might be a democrat or a true independent choosing a republican ballot just to say, i want campaign finance reform. but i don't know that that's a big enough number of people that it's going to turn into anything. >> yeah. joining us now, republican presidential candidate buddy roemer. governor roemer, thanks for being here. >> thanks, richly. thanks, rachel. glad you had me again. third time. that's a record. >> i talk about you behind your back. that's what it sounds like. what do you think of "the concord monitor" editor talking about your campaign? she's saying that it does not appeal to republican voters. maybe to independents, maybe some democrats. republicans don't want to hear it. >> how do we know? i've not been invited to a single national debate.
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i'm the only person running who's been a congressman and a governor. not only was i governor, i was a governor in a state with high unemployment, crumbling infrastructure, a corrupt system where the current governor bragged about taking money. no problem. i limited my money, no pac money. i mean, i have the experience of what i think america needs. now, let me be careful. i don't know that america needs me. but i'm the only person running who begins with the key to unlock success. no more special interest money. no more corruption. let president obama put out his program. not the special interests. let president roemer put his his program. not the special interests. we need balance. we need disclosure. we need cleanliness. i'll say this. this campaign is not about ideas. have you listened to them? it's about money. it's about money. it's about money. they get it from insurance companies, pharmaceutical
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companies. how the hell are you going to have health care? they get it from those oil companies and ethanol companies who have a stake in energy. how are you going to be energy independent and be environmentally clean? i challenge my party, stand with plain people, not with privileged people on wall street and let's turn this country around. >> people who are seeing you right now for the first time, who haven't seen you the other couple times i have spoken to you, when they hear the diagnosis of what's wrong, what's the buddy roemer solution to that that they'll remember if they've never seen you before? >> say no to the pacs. eliminate super pacs. disclose all money that you collect when you run. do it every 48 hours. not every 120 days. have criminal penalties for those who violate. don't let the lobbyists bring a check. they can bring an idea. but no fund-raising. you can clean it up, rachel. and you can do it constitutionally.
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read citizens united. money is speech. okay. it also says the biggest threat to our country is corruption and the appearance of corruption. and so super pacs have to be independent. you cannot name me a super pac that's independent. jon huntsman's father gives the money to his super pac and he hides the fact. mitt romney has super pacs. rick perry has seven. barack obama has two. they're run by campaign managers or former chiefs of staff. it's not right. the first step, whether it's jobs, immigration, foreign policy, oil addiction, the first step is campaign reform. the first bill i'll have is hb1. campaign reform. you say, you can't pass it, buddy. if you can win with an average contribution of $50 and have 5 million people stand with you,
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you will win this race. but i've got to get on the debate, rachel. now, look, i don't usually complain about this system, but the money runs deep in ways that go from beyond campaign contributions. they run big media, big corporations. they control who we get to vote on for president. do you think you can be elected president, rachel, and not be on a single debate in the 21st century? it's not possible. i've been shut out of every darn one. and i wonder why. and you know the rules change, rachel. at first i wasn't an announced candidate. i announced at dartmouth in august. then it's you need 1%. i got 1%. then you need 2%. i got 2%. then you need to raise half a million dollars. is that the way we pick a president, how much money he raises or she raises? it's not right. >> governor buddy roemer, former governor for louisiana, former u.s. congressman, can date for
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president no invited to the debates but a man who has pressed this cause and this issue farther than anybody expected you to at this point in the campaign. i know you have planned a major announcement for your campaign tomorrow and know better than to ask you to preempt yourself tonight. i want to let everybody know that's coming. >> see you tomorrow, rachel. and that bar later tonight. >> we'll be at that bar. that's right. all right. the best new thing in the world is going to be that bar with me and buddy roemer later. until then, i met the best new thing in the world today at a new hampshire political event. very, very, very tiny sequinned shoes. best new thing in the world coming up. [ boy ] looks like our work is done here. i'm heading home. vaaa vrooom! need some help, ma'am? grrrrrrr! [ in high voice ] oh thank you. these things are heavy. zzzzzzzz! [ male announcer ] built for work. and everything you work for. hey, honey. i'm glad you're home. [ male announcer ] the chevy silverado. our most powerful hd yet. from fathers to sons,
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iowa. when the romney campaign couldn't figure out what was going on with the returns from that county, they tried to get her on the phone. by the time cnn got edith on the line, senate santorum's lead had been down from 100 or so votes earlier to only four votes. >> how many precincts are there in clinton county? >> there are 30 precincts. >> and have all 30 as far as you know reported? >> oh, yes. >> every single one? >> every single one. >> what's the total for clinton county romney, santorum, paul? >> oh. are they correct? oh, god. i added them up a couple times. oh, man. my -- i show romney coming up a
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total of 437 votes from clinton county. santorum had 354. perry had 73. >> the numbers we're receiving from the state do not match the numbers we just received from the county chairwoman here in clinton county. if these are the final numbers -- >> what do you mean the numbers don't match? >> i'll explain it. i'll explain it to you. john, you go ahead and explain it. >> the numbers, madame chairwoman, i'm not questioning your numbers. the numbers you're giving us now do not match the numbers the state central committee has reported so far from your county. they say one precinct is missing. if your numbers are that missing precinct and these are the final numbers from clinton county, excuse me scribble, but 437, not 386, 354, not 321. we can stop right there, wolf. that would make romney the winner. >> wow. what do you mean they don't match? about 20 minutes later the state republican party in iowa officially declared mr. romney the winner. by eight votes. eight votes.
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out of 122,255 cast, which is a margin of 0.007%. that's close. since mr. romney was declared the winner by eight votes, a caucus worker in appanoose county, iowa, said mitt romney was awarded 28 extra votes in the county and if he only won by -- eight, an extra 20 votes would of course mean that he didn't win at all. >> 28-year-old edward true helped count the votes and jotted the results down on his piece of paper to post on his facebook page later. his notes said mitt romney received two votes. according to the iowa republican party's website, the precinct cast 22 votes for romney. >> this is huge. this essentially changes who won. ultimately, does it matter now who exactly won in iowa? is the effect on the ongoing race from here on out materially different if the rick santorum, mitt romney virtual tie had one
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eight votes up instead of eight votes down, would it make a difference for what happened in new hampshire or anywhere else after this? if the margin were different by not just eight votes but 8,000 votes, would that make that much of a difference? being a republican who wins, or almost wins the iowa presidential caucuses does not win you very much in american politics. remember mike huckabee's nine-point win in iowa? four years ago. he was pretty much out of the race by march. he picked up some deep south states and kansas. he was done almost before he was even done basking in iowa. in 1988, the huge conservative winner in iowa, televangelist pat robertson who won the ames, iowa, straw poll and came in second on caucus night to bob dole. by april he was out of the race. he said god told him whose going to win this year. god is giving pat robertson betting tips. does maybe not knowing who really won the republican caucuses in iowa this year tell you anything important about the standings and the momentum for the rest of this race? no, it does not. does knowing who won the
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republican caucuses in iowa any year reliably tell you anything important about the standings in the race that year? no. no, it really does not. the only reason it matters that we kind of don't know who won iowa this year and don't know if we'll ever know for certain is that republicans have spent their legislative time and energy since the 2010 election screaming from the rafters about their grave concern for the integrity of the vote. the supposed grave and imminent threat to the sanctity of every single vote has according to republicans compelled them, required them to push new restrictive voter i.d. laws in states across the country. these voters i.d. laws potentially block millions of people from voting at all by requiring new i.d. and making it hard to register. the republican lie is that it's worth restricting the vote to ensure the integrity of the elections. integrity. in the first contest of the year, an republican only event run by the republican party, republicans cannot be bothered to figure out how to count their own votes and figure out who actually won. that's how devoted they are to
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