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have taken over the last few weeks present a real and clear danger. we take those threats seriously. we have to take those threats seriously. it only takes being wrong once and i don't want to be the secretary of defense that was wrong once. >> defense secretary chuck hagel calls it dangerous. the north's threat to attack. [ speaking foreign language ] >> north korean tv announces america's hostility will be smashed by mersless operation from the north. south creigh yea saying they have a missile close to the coast. it won't be able to hit the u.s. this is new video shot today of the u.s. military's 23rd
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battalion taking part in an antichemical bill. yesterday, the u.s. announced they were speeding up the deployment to guam two years ahead of schedule. they sent b-52 bombers over there twice to monitor the north's actions. just how real is the north's threat of attack? here is former u.s. ambassador moments ago on "jansing & co." >> it's dangerous. all the actions over the kim dynasty in north korea, i don't think we have seen anything like this coming from out of there. >> richard eveninger is in south korea with more. >> reporter: people in seoul are trying to brush it off. the currency dropped. the stock market lost value.
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what happened today was, according to the south korean defense minister, north korea moved what seems to be a medium range missile to the eastern coast. according to south korean officials it could be because of a test fire or move for deterrence. it could be moving in an antimissile system and positioning it in guam. there's something of a stand off there with the north koreans sending a missile to their border, pointing toward guam and the united states moving in this antimissile defense system. this is a different move than we have seen of weeks of increasing escalation. right now and yesterday we are seeing north korea is taking actual steps. yesterday, it was closing the economic zone, the only place where there was business going on between north and south korea. today, actually moving that rocket to the coast.
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japan is also very worried. japan just east of the north korean coast. japanese officials worry there could be a test fire coming and it could be in their direction. that would certainly ratchet up the tension more. will that be enough? will that satisfy the north korean leader who apparently is trying to prove himself to his own people, establish his credibility, establish that he is a nuclear weapons state? that's unclear. what we do know is that so far, every day there hannan escalation with now actions taken, not just rhetoric. richard engel, nbc news, seoul. >> thank you. i want to bring in the power panel. we have jaime ruben and andrew cuomo. gentlemen, it's good to have you here. we have heard these threats before. this time, it's different. they have cutting edge, smaller,
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lighter and diversified nuclear weapons and the u.s., we are watching them ahead of schedule with the defense system in place by guam and seeing this slow chess game play out in front of us. how much are we supposed to believe of what is actual fact? >> let's be clear, over the last 20 years, no administration, clinton, bush and now obama has figured out how to eliminate a chance that on any given day north korea can start a crisis. north korea says hey, wait a minute, we are the country, the rogue state, they wouldn't call themselves that, that actually has nuclear weapons, tested them and we can create an international crisis at a moments notice. we haven't figured out a way to deal with it. we have a standard playbook of military actions by the pentagon
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to try to meet each step in a careful way so the north is not encouraged to take it to the next level, but is not feeling like it achieves anything out of these nuclear threats. >> david, we all know and we have all watched the u.s. and its support of south korea. the fact is, we do know that weapons that north korea developed will certainly reach south korea. we don't know how much furth irthey could reach. when the u.s. is speeding up deploying a missile defense system, do you think washington knows more than they are letting on? >> they can reach well beyond south korea. there was a missile test the north korean's did a few months ago that went to the philippines. if you draw that arc out, they can get to that second tier of islands out in the pacific. can they reach the united states yet? no evidence of that.
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when they talk about a smaller, lighter warhead, do we think they have yet shrunk a nuclear weapon down to be able to fit it on top of a missile? no evidence of that, either. so, to some degree, you have to discount a little bit of the rhetoric here because they always talk a bigger game than they can execute. they have executed better in the past year or two than i this many people expected. they have two separate paths to a nuclear weapon. a uranium enrichment program and missiles that are capable and they have been able to test successfully. >> when we look at what the rhetoric has been, specifically when it comes to the united states, there are reports the north was training on austin, texas, los angeles, hawaii, some talk about washington, d.c. when we talk austin, texas, the governor there, rick perry
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addressed it squarely. take a listen. >> anytime you have a country that has access to nuclear weapons you need to treat it as a very real threat. you know, i'll leave it to individuals who have better background from the standpoint of being able to say do they have a missile that has the ability to reach a city like austin. >> jimmy, you mentioned before, iran might have been stealing some of their attention and thunder from the fact they were a nuclear power. is this about getting that attention back? >> i think two things are going on. before answering directly, people who heard david need to remember, when we talk the range of the missiles, it does not mean they have nuclear warheads on them. we have not seen evidence they can do the hard thing, miniaturize and modernize a missile to carry a modern nuclear weapon. they don't have that capability. governor perry can take a deep breath in that regard.
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not a nuclear threat to the united states. the reason for this, one is that they are constantly looking for a way to get out of their fundamental dilemma that their country is failing. the only way they have to do that is nuclear weapons. secondly, what we were discussing earlier, this new, young leader who has a need to show himself to be an international player like his father, like his grandfather to be able to create a situation where the world takes notice of north korea. the trick here and so far the administration played this well is to deal with the threat monitor it, deter it from escalating. no administration found out a way to, frankly, denuclearize this dangerous country. >> while jaime talks about the fact the u.s. wants to throw cold water on the situation, get this under control, diplomatically, whatever needs to be done, what is the type of military response that is being
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discussed, if the north were to fire a missile at the united states or any of the bases in the pacific? >> well, at is one thing and near is another. the north conducted missile tests before. the tests they conducted, they justified as space launches and set off small satellites. the u.s. is not respondent to those. in 2006, donald rumsfeld as secretary of defense put alaska on alert with the thought of trying to knock down a north korean missile test. it knocked itself down. that never came to fruition. the only moment where the united states might try to respond and use the missile system is if they have intelligence to believe there was a warhead on top of one of these missiles being tested. as jaime points out, there's no evidence the north koreans are close to being able to design
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such a warhead. it's not a threat to take lightly. they have made technological progress. efforts to stop that by the united states have largely failed and by the international community. we have two untested leaders here, a new leader in kim jong-un and president park in south korea inaugurated a few weeks ago and is new to all this herself. >> we'll all continue to watch. thank you so much, gentlemen. >> thank you. >> i appreciate it. coming up next, connecticut getting tough on gun violence. the legislature is passing the strictist gun laws. why the u.s. congress has not acted. president obama gives up 5% of his salary and hands it to the treasury. do you think congress should do the same thing? we are going weigh in. i want to know what you think about that. tweet me your thoughts. find us on facebook. state. what's the "new" in the new new york? a new property tax cap... and the lowest middle class income tax rate in 60 years...
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it's been just over 100 days since to students and six teachers were murdered at sandy hook elementary school. it shook the nation to its core. today, connecticut's governor will sign its response of the tragedy into law. new gun control measures that will be the most strict in the nation. it passed early this morning with bipartisan support. >> connecticut now with the governor's signature will have the toughest gun safety laws in the country. hopefully that is some measure of comfort to the victims of newtown. i think we owed it to them to take it seriously. >> connecticut is not the only state to do this.
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maryland's house gave approval to a sweeping bill. it's headed back to the state senate. the president went on the road yesterday to denver then on to california to push for reform on a federal level. >> we knew from beginning the change wouldn't be easy. we knew there would be powerful voices that would do everything they could to change the subject. the only way this time will be different is if the american people demand this time it must be different. this time, we must do something to protect our communities and our kids. >> the president was first in colorado before moving on. joining me now, california congressman, adam schiff. i want to talk to you about what we are seeing out of connecticut and what that state has been able to do. as we look at the gun control bill, increased background checks, widens the assault weapons ban for eligibility purposes and a dangerous weapon
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offender registry. as we look at the poll out, do you support stricter gun control in this country, 53% support it. why can't anything get done in washington, d.c. when the numbers are like this. >> it points to what a dysfunctional congress we have. the background checks not only enjoy the majority support, but the support of 90% of the people. it's dividing the country down the middle, this isn't. a strong majority, over chewhel number support it. why can't beget this through in short order? we should be able to. i think we will be able to but there are other steps in addition to universal background checks we should be taking to enjoy support like a ban on
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assault weapons and high capacity clips. we have to fight this out and get it done, if we can't be inspired by sandy hook, i don't know what it will take to get this congress moving in the direction they want us to take. >> a new poll showing 91% of those asked do support having background checks. we have a nationwide ban on high capacity magazines. 58% support that. meanwhile, we have this dichotomy going on where we talk about connecticut and maryland passing gun control reforms. state legislation weakening gun laws. maine, virginia, kentucky, michigan, tennessee, mississippi, arkansas, oklahoma, north dakota, south dakota, idaho, utah, all weakening gun restrictions since newtown. why do you think this dichotomy exists if the collective of the country is to see a tighter
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control for gun violence? >> well, it is difficult to understand and explain. certainly, there are regional differences on how the gun issue is viewed. when i was elected in 2000, i was asked what was the nature of that issue in los angeles. i said it's not about hunting or self-protection, it's gang violence and drive-by shootings. i asked a colleague in oklahoma the same question, he said it's about lexington and concord. between democratic districts there's a wide diversity of viewpoint that is shared throughout the country. in the states you pointed out where there may be rolling back gun safety laws there's still those states, overwhelming support for universal background checks. when people in those states get
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what they want, you have to say the political system is broken. some of the interest is strong. the minority views are not shared with the majority of the people. >> when we talk about what the president said in denver, his trip out west as a cash stash to raise money for democrats. stopping now in your home state of california. he was quoted in a fund-raiser saying my intention is to get as much done with the republican party as i can. we can't have perpetual campaigns. i would be dishonest if i didn't say it would be easier to govern if i had nancy pelosi as speaker. again, speaking to a san francisco crowd there trying to raise money in san francisco. what do you make of that? the fact he has nancy pelosi before and a lot of people look at that time period saying they didn't get a lot done constructively in washington,
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d.c. how would that be different in 2014? >> we did get a lot done. one of the most revelation share changes to health care to 32 million people. that was a significant achievement, i think, and a hard fought victory. certainly with a democratic house a lot more would be possible. the gun bills would be originating in the house. we wouldn't be wondering what gets through the senate. farther along in immigration reform. that would have a better shot at passage. as it is, the only way it's going to pass in the house is if there's a departure fwr the rule and they allow a vote without the majority of the mar jjority the party. the disclose act would disclose the vast contributions flowing in on the gun issue so americans could be informed on who is trying to buy elections. a lot of these changes would take place with a democratic house. i think the president is right
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about that. but, in the two years until then, until the american people can speak out again, he is right to try to work on a bipartisan basis and advance this agenda as much as we can. >> some people push back to say americans prefer a divided government making sure there's going to be a contrast between elected leaders and control when it comes to controlling spending in this country right now because we have such major deficits and the fact the sequester has been a big issue. the president is giving back 5% of his salary. other people on the hill doing the same thing. the base salary giving back 5% would be 20 grand. tammy duckworth giving back. is this something we should see more of you, more elected people on the hill willing to do? >> well, you know, i applaud what the president is doing and congress should consider doing the same. for the employees being hurt by the sequester, it's more
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effective to put an end to the sequester, put an end to taking it out of the hide of federal employees like members of congress and others had a pay freeze for many years. for congress, it's well deserved. we may need to go further than that. not just freeze our salary, but roll it back. the most constructive thing that will help people is do away with the sequester that is indiscriminate in cuts. it kurts the good with the bad. inability to provide for defense and unable to care for senior citizens. that, i don't want to lose sight of. that's putting an end to the sequester. >> california congressman, good to have you on this morning. thanks. thank you. the shocking video of the now fired rutgers coach
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we are back. we may not have seen the last shoe drop at rutger's university. it was this video that led to the firing of basketball coach mike rice. a group is demanding the resignation of the president, too. there's no explanation of what's on the films. there's no excuse, i was wrong. i'm deeply sorry for the pain and hardship i have caused. that video has two new jersey congressman calling for a bill named for tyler clemente. he was the gay student that committed suicide. rush holt joins me here. it's nice to have you hear
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talking about the topic. i want to start with the latest about the 13 rutger's faculty member calling for the president to resign. they say in a two-page letter, not only did he not fire coach rice, but covered up the coach's actions by failing to tell faculty. do you agree the president condoned or engaged in what was taking place even through hid a.d., having known about this. >> let's not engage in trial by twitter. they should get the facts and have due process within the university. the trustees should take a good look at it. they did not take a good look last fall until public opinion made them do it. but, to get beyond what we don't know, let's talk about what we
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do know, which is that a university has a responsibility not the build just minds and athletic ability, but also character. >> when we look at what rutgers has gone through, we have an op-ed making the case that the administration at rutgers failed saying the leaders should have known if a coach is homophobic, he shouldn't be allowed to represent the school for one more hour, much less four more months. it goes on to talk about tyler clemente. does it seem the campus and the institution itself is not learning from the mistakes of the past? >> you know, senator lautenberg and i wrote legislation that would require every university in the country, every university that receives federal aid to develop an anti-harassment
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policy. we can't outlaw bullying. it's not workable, but universities can set high standards and set practices and policies. rutgers has begun doing that. i wish they had started a few years ago before they hired coach rice. let's hope they are coming along. a good example to look at is rutgers. vivian stringer, the women's coach, basketball hall of fame, one of the winningest coaches in history, a few years ago had a difficult circumstance when a national shot jaw didn't just insult her team, but really demeaned them. i'm not sure i should use the words on the air. but -- >> they were used on this air before, let's not go there again. >> yeah.
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what we saw there was coach stringer not only engaged in character building for her team, she, of course, she and her team avoided demeaning, dehumanizing antisocial behavior and words. when they were challenged with such words, the players grew in character. they distinguished themselves across the nation as what you would want to see in a college basketball team. >> one thing -- >> the coach, vivian stringer gets credit for this. a coach can make a difference. in fact, a coach can probably make more of a difference than anybody else in a university which is why this is important. >> it could be debated depending on what you are trying to get through congress. the tyler clemente foundation issued a response saying all students require a safe
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environment to reach their full potential. coach rice's conduct has no place on campus. we know rutgers is such a place and like all colleges and universities it must not tolerate that kind of behavior. what is the bill that you would like to get through and how does this conversation help bring attention back to it? >> i think it does bring attention and thanks for mentioning that and talking about it. it requires they have in place a policy against this kind of antisocial discriminatory behavior and language. that it would have in place practices and regulations for achieving the high standards. we can't, as i said before, outlaw bullying, but we can require that there be good practices in place.
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martin luther king said you can't buy law change the hearts. but you can restrain the heartless. there are things that a university can do to set good examples as coach stringer did at rutgers. and as coach rice did not. but you can also put in place educational and society building practices that make it a richer place and build the kind of society that we should be using universities to build. >> we wish you the best of luck with the bill. coming up next, as the congressman mentioned mlk, it's 45 years after the death of the reverent. never before seen video shown. a look at the civil rights movement and how it changed. the gay and lesbian alliance is glad to be honoring former
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are seeing never released video of james earl ray. it was restored by nbcs "dateline." it shows agents reading him his rights on the way back. it shows the arrival at the shelby county jail where he was processed, strip searched and examined by a doctor. as we fast forward to today, dr. king's legacy shines through a new era. it's good to have you here. >> thank you. >> how much do we consider today's civil rights advocates to look at the legacy of dr. king and emerge from it? >> it's interesting. 45 years after the assassination of dr. king, we have a framework among african-americans that focuses on civil rights leaders and pastors. what motivated it were religious
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leaders and they still are a preponderan preponderance. a quaurter of the people said al sharpton, 11% said jesse jackson. people still do look in that direction. i think what's different now is the collective sense of siege and constant siege that the african-american community felt then no longer is operative. you have a different set of issues. it's more defending voting rights and trying to defend affirmative action. the movement doesn't really exist anymore. i think there's still a need for some kind of collective action. >> the siege is dissipated even with the election we just went through where voter's rights were so highly front and center. >> yeah. >> the fact that now it's before the supreme court, have we achieved a post racial america? many people say we have not.
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>> most people say no. african-americans say we haven't. it's interesting you have particularly southern states trying to roll back the achievements of the civil rights movement and say we no longer need it. they point to the fact we have a black president. oprah winfrey, well think black people. to your point, the last election shows that at moments we still do need collective action. the voting rights pushback from the states is tremendous. the backlash has been just as strong. >> when we look at what today's civil rights movement looks like, we have the voting rights issue before the supreme court now. who are the emerging leaders of today? >> that's what's difficult. i think you have seen an overall erosion of the authority of the church. that makes it difficult to have. that's where the leaders have come from. they came from the church.
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because the church itself lost moral authority due to scandals and due to some people's disconnection from religion, so much focus on money and other things that pushed people away from the church. people are tending to look toward political leaders. people didn't mention barack obama. he's not a black leader. he's the leader of the country. it's different to find a framework around the civil rights movement. it's difficult. on issues of gun violence. on issues of voting rights they look to institutions and organizations pushing back. it's hard to find one or two people. >> when we get to modern day issues, what's taking place with gun violence or immigration or marriage equality, they are the civil rights issues of the day. do we see the groups, the glads and the nans and the naacp, do we see the coordination that
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needs to happen out front for the oppressed helping each other? >> that's a great question. the civil rights movement created the framework as a temperature place when it was in south africa ar the gay rights movement. what you haven't really seen is a sense of coordination. on the gay rights issue, it's been somewhat of a black eye for the civil rights with the exemption of the the al sharptons. you haven't seen the coordination. early on, there was a lot of resentment of the borrowing of those symbols. they closely guarded the ideas of the civil rights movement. it created distance that hasn't been bridged. because african-americans are conservative, you didn't have the two movements coming together. you are seeing that now. younger african-americans like younger americans in general do
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see the gay rights movement as the current movement of our era. dr. king's widow was a proponent of gay rights. hopefully we'll see more coordination. the template is being used. it's a good thing. >> as we look back, i think about the striking 39-year-old man and gen xors and we are getting up to speed. it shocks me and upsets me to think this guy was taken from all of us at 39 years of age. >> it's incredible. he was a forward looking good. bobby kennedy thought we would have a black president in 45 years. he has a fatalistic sense. he was a young guy. if you think how much he took on at that age, it's incredible.
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we asked and boy did you abs. the question was, president obama giving up 5% of his salary because of the sequester. should the rest of congress do that, too? from ruth, should they? yes. but there are lots of things they should be doing and aren't. like governing, listening to americans. susan tweets, yes, and it should be 20%, same as civilian workforce, we encourage you to keep those comments coming in. weeks after throwing his weight behind marriage equality, the lgbt community is about to honor the president, who signed the defense of marriage act. time now for the polyside bar.
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plans to give bill clinton its president for change award. he's changed his mind on whether same-sex couples deserve the right to marry, since signing doma into law in 1996. arizona congressman matt salmon's son has defended his father. inside the lgbt community whom he calls incredibly intolerant. rand paul's travel eye continue rememberry is fielding a lot of 2016 speculation that the kentucky senator is headed to the granite state to deliver the new hampshire party's keynote speech in may. even more 2016 speculation is being sparked by a reported book deal for hillary clinton. "the new york daily news" reports the former secretary of state has signed with simon and schuster which published her last book for a reported $8
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million. topics for the new book tore released next year could include the killing of osama bin laden, the arab spring and climate change. and the hollywood reporters says a new documentary about the letters sent to jackie kennedy after her husband's assassination will feature the voices of about 20 a-list celebrities, some voices will be voila davis, zoe deshanel. francis mcdormnd. on tafia spencer and betty white. jimmy fallon is going to take over for jay leno as host of the "tonight show" in spring of 2014. it was all the rage on the late-night shows starting with jay leno. >> i want to congratulate my good friend, jimmy fallon, he's a hell of a guy, he's going to do a great job. i just have one request of jimmy. we've all fought, kicked and scratched to get this network up to fifth place, okay? now we have to keep it there. jimmy, don't let it slip into
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sixth, we're counting on you, we're counting on you, jimmy. >> i love you so much, i love you so much and i love this job and i love coming in, i just love doing it. thank you so much. i'm a lot more emotional. a lot more emotional for me than i thought it was going to be. you start thinking of everything and you realize all the people you have to thank. i have to say thanks to jay leno for being so gracious. i know the whole thing it means so much to me to have his support. >> the white smoke coming out of the chimney at nbc, anybody see tha that? we have a new pope! i got a call from my mom today, she says, well, david, i see you didn't get the "tonight show" again. what are you going to do, mom? good luck to jay. i know he'll be out on the road, getting it done and taking care
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of business, and congratulations on a nice, long run there at the "tonight show." if in fact you're not coming back. >> you probably heard, it was announced officially today, that starting in february of next year after the olympics, i will take over as new host of the "tonight show" on nbc. i spoke to jay on the phone today, and he -- excuse me one second. okay, apparently it's a different jimmy that's going to be hosting the "tonight show." are you sure? jay leno passed the torch to jimmy fallon. okay. um, does anybody know what the return policy is on a yacht? >> they're pretty strict, so the "tonight show" is going to move
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from los angeles to its original home in new york city, that means that jimmy fallon is going to have the tonight show in 30 rock. pretty cool. i'll see you back here tomorrow at 11:00 a.m. i'll be joined by one of msnbc's weekend hosts, karen finney. and christina freeland and jimmy williams. the man who knows the senate inside and out. "now" with alex wagner is next. ! director's voice: here we go. from the top. and action for over 75 years people have saved money with gecko so.... director's voice: cut it! ...what...what did i say? gecko? i said gecko? aw... for over 75 year...(laughs. but still trying to keep it contained) director's voice: keep it together. i'm good. i'm good. for over 75...(uncontrollable lahtuger). what are you doing there? stop making me laugh. vo: geico. saving people money for over seventy-five years. gecko: don't look at me. don't look at me. to prove to you that aleve is the better choice for him, he's agreed to give it up. that's today?
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who cares about sequestration? quite a few people, actually. it's thursday, april 4th and this is "now." tomorrow will mark five weeks since sequestration took effect. mandating 85 billion dollars in budget cuts this year. $85 billion in cuts that republicans almost unanimously