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earlier in the show we asked you to find something more wasteful than this. this. that is just like a bad wedding dance. let's get some of the responses with mr. john tower. >> d.j., john fames 35,000 dollar toilet and remodel. >> back in merril lynch days. >> yes, one that is whatever msnbc pays lewis. >> can you go back to john? looks like a huge pit. look at the shadow. >> great great. >> one more? you got one more? >> moving on.
>> 250 million for a-rod by the texas rangers in 2000 the most waste f wasteful expenditure in history. >> "morning joe" starts right now. >> hold on, brothers, hold on. everybody duck! go, go. just keep it going, if you can. everybody duck down. everybody duck down. >> good morning. it's monday, june the 3rd. unbelievable footage from another terrible night in oklahoma. with us on set msnbc political analyst and visiting professor at nyu and former democratic
congressman harold ford jr. >> good morning. >> harold, we are going to be talking, obviously, peter baker is here and talking about his story and people are talking about eric holder needing to leave for the president's benefit and talk about that a little bit later. also we have msnbc thomas roberts with us. he was in oklahoma. he is with us here. also going to be talking about unbelievable things that happened this past weekend. in nashville, jon meacham and in washington, peter baker. thank you, guys, for being with us. again, friday night once again the place that we went, i mean, oklahoma city keeps getting hit. >> hammered in a terrible way and more deaths to report. officials in oklahoma say at least seven people are still missing following the latest round of violent weather to crash through that state. at least 13 people were killed. there were another three victims in missouri. five tornadoes touched down on
friday in oklahoma city. one of those twisters was a half mile wide. the weather channel's mike bettis was among those caught. the vehicle was destroyed. amazing the cameras were still rolling as the winds flipped the car from the road. bettis and another crew member suffered minor injuries, while a third passenger was hospitalized. here they are in their own words. >> everybody duck down. >> i just saw my wife's face and i thought, you know, that's, you know, that's my life and i don't want to give that up just yet. everybody duck. go, go. >> you could hear mike basically yelling into the radio, faster, faster. >> our lead car got pulled off the road into a ditch. we realized we weren't going to make it. >> i was just thinking, you know, this is it. i'm done. >> that first wind went, you could hear the pop. >> it blew out right next to me
and showered me with glass. >> the last thing i remember is looking over my left shoulder and seeing the bettis mobile pass me and go airborne. >> you just felt this tumble, tumble, tumble. there was a memt there where it was weightlessness. we were floating. it felt like at that moment i was going to heaven. >> i came down kind of hard and both hands on the steering wheel. >> i could see a wrecked vehicle in front of us. maybe one behind us. that is when i couldn't see the bettis mobile. they were a hundred yards into a muddy field. >> it makes you think about your immortality and gives you perspective. hold on, brothers, hold on. it was a moment i'll never forget. >> this is unbelievable, of course. you did this, tom? >> i was a reporter in lincoln, nebraska. we were sent to storm chase and at that time we were one-man bands when you start out.
>> that's how it used to be. this, of course, tragically, it ended this weekend for several of these people. >> three scientists. three storm chasers. tim and his son samara and one of their colleagues. >> these are people who know what they are looking at and they know the changing directions of these storms. i guess the fluidness, what it means to be a storm chaser. my experience was limited just because i was a reporter. i didn't want to chase storms. i had to. it was my assignment. but, no, i did not enjoy the work that i had to do. these people do this for science and do it for bigger reasons. >> they don't do it just for the video. they do it because they are collecting data and trying to figure out how to predict these better because you can predict a hurricane almost perfectly these days. but, yet, a tornado, is just wild. >> people are so fascinating to the science community and figuring out exactly the path and the changing.
>> look at the car getting knocked around there. thomas, you're right. they are trying to figure out panel. they are trying to figure out how it changes. the difference between hurricanes and tornadoes, think about this. hurricane sandy, they had five days. five days before hurricane sandy hit shore. they had predicted the path perfectly. >> right. >> and moore, oklahoma, with he went to moore, oklahoma, they had 16 minutes. >> when they look back at the collection of the three big storms and reference to the 1999 in moore, oklahoma, the may 3rd and you look at the trajtry of those two storm paths they are almost identical the ef-5 storms that they were. so they are studying these to try to figure out what it means to best save lives when they can predict and forecast these storms. >> look at it. they are massive. >> joining us now meteorologist bill karins with more on all this, including some of the
lives lost among these tornadoes. bill? >> the two points from what we have seen so far with mike bettis and i have to give him credit. the first thing he said in his first interview with the weather channel after he got out of his vehicle was i screwed up. i put my life in risk and my crew's life in risk and we never should have been in that spot. the important point we shouldn't be glorifying the video we get. any time you see a storm chasing video that close to the storm chaser or the storm chaser in the tornado, they screwed up. they messed up and put their lives at risk and they are not supposed to be that close to the storm. and, you know, some of the people, like the three people that did pass, tim and paul samaras and his colleague carl young, 20-year veterans, tim was doing research on this. i would say 95% of the people out there chasing these storms are there for the adrenaline rush, are there to get their yoob videos and get on tv and sell their videos after they are done. there is a picture of tim. he was a veteran. he was a pioneering research.
he still holds the record for the lowest pressure ever measured inside of a tornado. he was doing work like that. but a lot of these people out there are not. what is shocking we knew sooner or later with so many storm chasers out there we would get a fatality. what is pricing it was a 20-year veteran someone who knows what they are doing and someone who was veryus and took safety as a big priority for many years and he got caught in a bad position there. >> we wake up and we start reading papers, end of may. we see one tornado after another tornado after another tornado. obviously, people on both sides start fighting, is it global warming or not. that is a ridiculous thing to debate right now. let's talk just pure numbers. is this year a busier year as far as tornadoes go than last year? what about on average. stack this up for us. >> we had an amazingly slow start. it fit wasn't for the last two weeks we would say where are all of the tornadoes.
we call it since 1974, 1974 we had 366 tornado fatalities in this country. when we had the tuscaloosa, birmingham and joplin, we had 262 and that was a big deal and hadn't had that many fatalities in a long time and 43 so far this year. i would say that is pretty close to average and maybe slightly above average and not close to being in the top five as we go throughout 1974. as far as the actual number of tornadoes go, every may, we average somewhere about 250. we have actually only had 207 so far preliminary count as of may. so it's actually, joe, been a below average year and it doesn't matter how much you have. it matters how strong and if they hit. the one we talked about friday was in rural areas. if that had gone through downtown, oklahoma city, we would be talking about another joplin. >> bill karins, thank you so much. after weeks of scandals and controversy, attorney general eric holder is facing a growing chorus of calls for his
resignation. while the white house is publicly sticking by holder peter baker reports in "the new york times" there are people in the west wing privatelily telling associates they wish he would step down. there is also heat coming from the media and members of congress. here is the executive editor of the "the new york times." >> the times and readers are quite concerned about the six active criminal leak cases that the obama administration has pursued. that's more than all of the other administrations combined, and, you know, we are concerned that the process of news gathering is being criminalized. >> it would be kind to say he misled congress. it would be less kind and more accurate to say that would rise to be a lie by most people's standards, by the american people standard, you don't sign a warrant and then pretend you
wouldn't know about it, it wouldn't come to you. one of the things about perjury, this is the attorney general. don't use perjury lightly and perjury is a criminal charge that has to be proven. but certainly it's hard to have confidence in what this attorney general says or his people say when, so often, it turns out not to be true. >> so peter baker, the question he is knowing this white house as you do, do the chorus of calls for his resignation actually stiffen the president's resolve, or will he start listening to the growing chorus inside the west wing telling him it might be in his best interests for holder to go on? >> yeah. i think all of the things being equal they think there could be a fresh start with a different attorney general, but as you point out, you know, one of the things that will make that not happen is having a lot of republicans say he should step down. the last thing they want to reward their critics for what they think what they call a partisan campaign against eric holder.
you know, this goes back a long ways. nobody in this cabinet has come under fire more than he has and nobody in this cabinet has tract the kind of controversy. he wanted to guest past that. he stayed in the second term specifically to get past some of the previous controversies so he could build a record and go out on his own terms. >> peter, you were in washington, obviously, in the '90s. eric, a guy, i know him. i like him. i've talked to him the past couple of weeks but eric had a rough run in the clinton administration as well. he seems to craw critics. >> he was deputy attorney general under janet reno. he was a lawyer involved in the justice department involved in that pardon at the end of the clinton administration so he tends to get in middle of some of these big disputes. don't forget, attorney generals they tend to be, you know, on the hot spot on a lot of different types of issues the last three or four of them have all had a lot of criticism but he does seem to be, you know,
attracting a lot of attention these days that he wouldn't like to have. >> if you learned anything, though, serving with janet reno, it's how to survive eight years. >> that's true. good point there. >> i still don't know how janet reno survived eight years! you know what it was, harold? it was janet reno's dance parties. >> oh, no. >> look how serious harold is. >> we would get to the irs dance parties. >> harold didn't watch "saturday night live" for eight years because he was such a hard worker. it's an "snl" skit, my friends. >> i know what it is. >> look. you look at ashcroft, you look at. >> gonzalez. >> gonzalez. the question i would have for peter, from his thinking and his reporting, if attorney general holder steps down, which i don't believe that he should, do you believe it would be easy to get another attorney general confirmed? you talk about capitulating to the enemies -- how easy would it
be to get another attorney general confirmed? >> i think it's a big factor for the white house. why open up, you know, the possibility of all these different issues coming up at a different senate confirmation hearing. they have had trouble with other nominees obviously. they have got a lot of balls in the air trying to get people through. so i do think that's a big factor. thinking about where to go on this. >> jon meacham, you've nuvered the president one-on-one and spent some time with him. you, obviously, have reported on him, and you look at him not only as a contemporary reporting and as a historian, do you think darrell issa going out and republicans going after eric holder what you know of this president actually helps eric holder even more and makes the president say, damn it, i'm standing by this guy no matter what? >> that certainly is the president's character. he hates the circus. he hates the ritual killings
that some of these beltw wadram require from time to time. holder and caroline kennedy vetted the vice presidential candidates two years ago. holder is the one who has been with the president as he has maneuvered on terror policy. so he is particularly close to the president. i think in a context there aren't many people honestly who are on an intimate level. >> you have jill abramson, the editor of "the new york times." obviously, the paper he reads. one thing the president and i have in common i think is the paper he reads and sort of paper. >> you all have so much more in common. >> you know he likes playing golf. i like to talk about him playing golf. we could go on and on!
but you got the executive editor of "the new york times" saying his administration is criminalizing the process of journalism and if it were "the wall street journal" editorial play, he would slough it off and if it was darrell issa, that would be another thing. at some point, though, the president is saying he didn't know anything about it, at some point, he has to call eric holder into his office and say, eric -- i mean, if you've lost "the new york times" forget about walter cronkite. if you've an aggressive president, you're in trouble. >> not a good moment for the democrats. if you're a democratic administration, you're right. it's like johnson saying if i lost cronkite, i lost middle america. i to think the more there is a cry for holder, the president's instinct any way is going to be to hold off.
>> all right. this is going to be another rough week with another scandal and that is for the irs. tomorrow, treasury department investigators are going to release a report on excessive government spending which found the irs spent about 50 million dollars on more than 200 conferences for employees between 2010 -- >> wait. 50 million bucks? >> correct. >> thomas, were you invited to these conferences? >> i wasn't. >> you are good at that line dance thing. >> i went to the gsa conferences in vegas and that was like a cheap riverboat crew. >> i went to the "star trek" convention as well? >> just nen radiation "star trek." >> oh, god. look at this. a gathering in anaheim, california, where employees watched training videos that spoofed "star trek" and "gilligan's island. >> these are irs employees. >> just let it breathe. hold on. isn't that the guy nimoy?
i never saw somebody who looked like ""i dream of jeannie" i never was a trekky. >> these videos cost at least $50,000 which makes me angry as a taxpayer. i wish they would have asked me to produce them because i would have done a lot better. >> i'm not done yet. the report also found the agency did not negotiate lower room rates and some employees seen here line dancing stayed in presidential suites that normally cost up to $3,500 a night. >> that woman is line dancing with a broken foot. >> can a cast! >> she deserves credit. doing the moccorana. >> the cost of the convention came in at $4 million. >> that is unbelievable. harold ford jr.? >> a hard time getting around
this one. the other questions will continue to swirl. i watched darrell issa the other day on one of the shows. i don't always agree with him but he says a vigilance over the oversight. if that number is correct, $50 million over three years, very difficult to understand what kind of building they were doing. >> this all looks terrible. i'm not going any excuse for any of this. i want to show you congressman darrell issa who said the oversight committee is working out to figure out who is the responsible for the irs targeting of conservative groups. the california republican had also some tough words for white house press secretary jay carney. take a look. >> the administration is still, they are paid liar, their spokesperson, picture behind, he is still making up things about what happened in calling this local rogue. there is no indication -- the reason that lois lerner tried to take the fifth is not because there is a rogue in cincinnati,
it's because this is a problem that was coordinated in all likelihood right out of washington headquarters and we're getting to prove it. >> yep. >> what do you think? >> i think darrell issa hurts himself and his cause more than jay carney or the white house when he calls him a paid liar. >> i agree. >> there's so much that is working against jay right now. >> let it breathe! >> right. jay has said things that we have said just clearly not in line with the facts, that are not true. but if you're in this position as a chairman, responsible for these investigations, that just basically announces to everybody, i'm not saying he is, i'm a partisan. anything that i conclude is based on my partisan beliefs. you've got to pull back and you've -- you can't say things like this. by the way, i know it's
frustrating. i know it's frustrating. the clinton people would come to that same committee and they just wouldn't tell the truth. there were so many times you just sit there and go, my god. they are just lying through their teeth. but our chairman never went out and said, oh, my god. you never craig livingston? he was that hillary employee and nobody wanted to -- peter, you remember this. nobody wanted to take credit for. so we had this like hearing. >> joe, you and i are the only ones that remember that name. now come on. >> exactly. we had this hearing and it was surreal. when did you first go to the white house? i don't remember. when you went to the white house, who gave you the press pass? i do not recall. was it a sunny or cloudy day? >> i cannot tell you. it went on and on and on. finally, it got so maddening that one -- who was the congressman that lived through the holocaust?
>> tom lantos. >> it got so frustrating even for the democrats that tom lantos. >> with a great accent. >> i recommend you just do the honorable thing and kill yourself, something along those lines. but the chairman didn't then go out and say -- i mean, issa, come on. >> he hurts his credibility, you're right. let the facts come out and if you believe something -- what he looked like there and looked like often. >> it really is. thomas roberts, next block, i want you to tell me about the gsa conferences. we will compare those with the irs conferences. who puts on these conferences? >> why do they need to video this stuff? it's bad enough. the gsa stuff, remember with the gumby video and girls fanning themselves with cash and making it rain up in here. >> oh, my god! okay. i remember that. >> by the way, peter baker, you are the footnote man, baby.
the footnote. so peter baker will be the footnotes of the night. to remember craig livingston. >> that's pretty good. senator john mccain will be here on the set. following his trip to syria. also former white house press secretary robert gibbs. plus senior adviser to president obama, valerie jarrett and also glenn close who is participating on a big day at the white house on the issue of mental health. up next "the new york times" says a big economic winner from the iraq war and it's not the united states. we will explain that. great news in "usa today" about america's children eating less sweets. market might win this battle. also the top stories in the politico playbook. it's fantastic, i'm so proud. you're watching "morning joe," brewed by starbucks. i am an american success story.
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♪ wow. time now to take a look at -- >> i just can't. >> i can't either. >> read it first. i'm sure that is just a headline. >> hold on. here is, first of all, so what? what did she do? is she back out? >> yes. >> she came back out, angelina? >> it's a good story. that's great. i'm sure you want to read that -- okay. >> michael douglas telling america sex gave me cancer. >> i don't know. i don't know what that means. read it. >> i don't know. >> should i call my doctor? what? what is going on here? sex gave me -- what kind of sex gives you cancer? >> that would be called a grabby headline. all right. >> is anybody else worried about this? anybody? anybody nervous? >> look at the guys laughing.
>> could they have told me this in eighth grade health class? seriously! that would have helped! you got to see all of the films, but nobody has taught me what michael douglas has taught me this morning. >> you read the parade of papers. it's probably a serious story. >> world sex, actually causes. >> would you stop? be quiet! >> it's on the front page of the post! >> oh, my god. >> you have to read this or the l.a. times. a wildfire is burning after doubling in size to almost 40 square miles this weekend. more than 2,800 people were evacuated as a result. as of now, six homes have been completely destroyed by the blaze and ten were damaged. >> the new york daily news. over the course of 48 hours this weekend a staggering 25 people were shot in new york city resulting in the death of six and leaving an 11-year-old girl paralyzed despite the recent
violence, shootings are down 23% compared to this time last year, but obviously if not if these numbers continue. this is staggering for a city that has been celebrating it's lack of gun violence. >> we will go to "usa today." rioting in turkey killing two people and injuring over 1,000. demonstrators say they are responding to what they see is a creeping power grab by the gh s administration. >> "the new york times." apple is working to compete with a popular pandora. apple is now negotiating with other companies to come to a deal. pandora currently, of course, huge. like 70 million users. >> "the wall street journal."
>> you just keeping read this michael douglas. >> will smith's summer move "after earth," is officially a flop opening in number three with just $27 million behind "fast and furious 6." and "now you can see me." this ends a 20-year streak for smith who has seen his movies open up number one at the box office. >> i bet bradley's movie did well. d did you see it? >> is that that hangover? it's the last one. i don't want to hear about it. by the way, i think he's at the white house today. >> is he really? >> yeah. "usa today" a new study conducted by "usa today" children in america are indulging in fewer sweets than they were 15 years ago. the hardest hit foods in
decline, sugary krecereal. it would be better if people didn't want them. what are you doing? >> i can't believe this. >> don't do it. don't say it. it's a morning show. there are children. >> for the world cancer foundation last year and this guy, this guy, the director said that this admission did not shock him because he, too, got throat cancer from this. >> stop. >> this way. >> this way? >> my wife cringes every time i talk about it because i'm talking about -- >> bop, bop, bop! >> let's go to politico. with us is the chief white house correspondent for politico, mike allen with the morning playbook. what do you have this morning? >> we have an exclusive for "morning joe." senator marco rubio is going to
be out with a video this morning in which he says the immigration bill the past senate committee is going to be debated in the senate this month. must be improved in order to pass and on this video, he threatens to walk from the deal if any of the pillars of it are weakened. this is a video that senator rubio puts out for his constituents. marco constituent mailbox. in there taking a question from a florida voter he says that he will not allow the horse trading that usually goes on with the bill where you weaken one thing to strengthen another to happen with immigration. he says on immigration, these tough issues are going to have to be dealt with separately. you secure the border and how do you keep people out and what do you do with the illegal people already here and path to citizenship and how do you allow for a future flow and people on to come in legally and how do you assure the board is secure.
all of those have to be dealt with separately and he won't trade a away one for the other. politico reporting that republican senators want to take away some of the authority that the current immigration package gives to the administration. so this is where the irs controversy is hurting the administration. republicans are saying we can't have trusting government, we can't sell conservatives on the idea of giving the administration, especially the homeland security department, any leeway so they are talking about having congress write and compliment these border security and not give it to the administration. >> i wonder if marco rubio walks away it from the end of the day. i think he is feeling too much heat from the conservative groups. mike allen, thank you very much. >> have a great week. >> i just think we need to talk to zeke emanuel about this. dr. zeke.
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a live look at a rainy new york city on this monday morning. china is the biggest winner on the front of "the new york times" winner from the iraq war. sips the u.s.-led invasion in between hiker is the largest oil producers in the world and now china is the leading buyer of iraq oil purchasing 1.5 million barrels a day or half of iraq's output. they are looking for an even larger stake since the end of the war, china has spent more than $2 billion and sent hundreds of workers into iraq to secure a stake in the oil business. >> jon meacham, how often does this happen? great, great. how often does this happen, the law of unintended consequences in war? >> always. it's been said, i think, that
war is like a dark room. when you open the door, you never know where you're going to end up. clearly, this is another example of that. the one thing i'll say, i applaud the times for putting this on the front page. given the investment of blood and treasure, young american lives, the immense amount of money we spent on that war in the last eight, nine years, it's just disappeared. we talk about afghanistan being the forgotten war, but iraq, having any sense of what the status quo is at this point is a good thing and i think the more the press can do to try to figure out what is happening there, the better off we will be. >> peter baker, this helped shape the debate as we move forward and a lot of talks about possibly going into syria seeing, again, all of the money, the blood, the treasure, that we
expended may help china. >> it has exploded around washington today, no question about it. i do think that iraq hangover, you know, haunts president obama's he thinks about what to do with syria. he asks people on his staff, he says name a good example where things worked out well and we go into these kind of things and, obviously, this is the kind of story that will reinforce that view. china is everywhere these days. they are a big, big growing consumer and trying to help grow that big economy they have. >> one of the top issues on the list is cybersecurity. >> up next, the must read opinion pages. more on eric holder.
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♪ welcome back to "morning joe." a live look at the white house. all of us around this set especially harold ford jr. shaken by the lead story in "the "new york post." >> let's go instead to the op-eds. >> he called me. he is concerned. a lot of nervous guys out there right now. it causes cancer, harold. it causes cancer. see? you just coughed. >> you're horrible! >> you just coughed! >> i love you. your medical advice this morning. >> you know what? you know what? what are you a republican? anti-science? this is not my advice. this is science.
>> really? i know. this is not someone you want to emulate, thomas. okay? just saying. >> i'm going to wait until the commercial. >> you're smart. i like that. >> i'll tweet. >> you have such discipline compared to the others on the set. no filter. you have no filter. "the wall street journal," eric holder's odd defense. >> go ahead. sorry. >> the current guidelines already require prosecutors to investigate journalists only as a last resort inform the media organization of the request to see if a compromise can be worked out and then narrowly tailor any request in order to limit damage to the first amendment. so we are now supposed to believe the same man who ignored these current rules in pursuing mr. rosen is going to write new rules.
aren't attorney generals supposed to baobey the law from the start? >> this is the eye linement of stars that any democratic white house does not want. >> look. jill abramson, my executive editor, is concerned about what happens to press freedom and what happens to tough reporting. we have talked a lot in the last few weeks about these cases involved in the associated press and fox news but, obviously, some of my colleagues are involved in some of these cases as well and it's a big concern. this has nothing to do with democrat or republican. it has to do with reporters holding government accountable and trying to unearth secrets that some people don't want to have out there. you know, she would feel this way, i assume, no matter what president was in office under the same set of circumstances. >> frank bruni writes in "the new york times" who needs reporters? politicians answer to all of us so we must see them in
environments that aren't necessarily tailored to their meddle. it may not be a pretty sight and eliminate that you wind up something even less pretty. bachmann robotically composed saying she is quitting with the vigor of the republic foremost in her heart and farther than the truth we wretched scribes put." >> remember, his exit from politics as chaotic as it could be. president obama is really revolutionized this and what frank was talking about, those who didn't read it, this is how politicians just don't go through the press any more. they put out videos. they do, you know, go on twitter, they do anything but actually talk to a live
reporter. how does that impact news? how does that impact democracy? >> the risk of total self-parody, jefferson said if he could have a government without newspaper or newspapers without government, he would take the newspapers because without some kind of check on power, we were going to the head toward autocracy of some kind. i think as with anything, there is a balance here. we are not so important, the media is not so vital that we have to be in the midst of everything, but without the watchdog role, then the system that we have had for, what, running on 225 years or so. >> yeah. >> maybe more, is in danger because when you look at the great revelations and great moments of accountability and the great failures, it is, in
fact, the press dealing with congress in many ways. investigative committees and leaking to the reporters and sometimes we haven't been skeptical enough but that is without the press, we are going to be in worse shape. >> jon meacham and peter baker, thank you so much. on tomorrow's show we will have retired pitching great dwight gooden joins us with his new memoir. >> also a new invention by burger king. i don't make any decisions about who to hire
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half of that. >> what about my off the cuff remarks? >> hold on. >> where is the bell curve? >> for off the cuff marks he is up to a hundred. >> i will not argue with that. >> michael douglas problems are michael douglas problems. sitting pretty, are you? >> coming up next, editor in chief of buzz feed is ben smith. more "morning joe" is straight ahead. ♪ whether you're a brother or whether you're a mother ♪ ♪ stayin' alive stayin alive [ lane ] do you ever feel like you're growing old
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welcome back to "morning joe." a live look at kind of a drizzly, rainy, day in washington, d.c. joining is robert gibbs. also with us nbc news chief white house correspondent chuck todd. on set with us here in new york, editor in chief of buzz feed, ben smith. the host of "way too early" brian shactman. >> we have a lot to talk about to do. >> we do. >> "the new york times" reports, i'm so excited. >> what?
there is a declared winner in the iraq war. and it's china. china reaping the rewards. deficit bill less likely says "the wall street journal." you'll like this. kids are eating less sugar. >> i do like that. i like that because it seems like americans are becoming so aware of this that they now are not buying these things that make their children sick and overweight which will help adjust what is actually put in the food in our stores. >> there is no doubt about it. we had evidence this last hour that americans are starting to pay more attention to what they eat. do we have the burger king video? >> no! no! >> i think americans -- did you see this, ben? >> obviously, an amazing labor savings apparatus. >> that is stupid. >> look at this. while you're doing tattoos you can have a worshihopper.
when you're boxing, you can have a whopper. this is impressive right here because how many times have you been in the middle of walking dogs? like, boy, i wish i could eat and walk 12 dogs. >> i could use one of those right now to put on you. >> put in my mouth and shut me up. new york city, some serious news. "the daily news." a shooting rampage here. 25 people shot. and, of course, something that makes a lot of people nervous, michael douglas. >> i don't know why you're obsessed. >> why do you think i'm obsessed with it? chuck todd is going to be commenting. how are you feeling, todd some did you have a good weekend? >> yeah, no. i had a good whatever it was, eight, nine days off. why do i feel like the michael douglas story is a gag and we will find out he was being facetious? >> way to go, chuck! >> i just want to -- >> seriously? >> i wasn't even trying. i swear. >> it was a gag.
>> why don't you awe just stop. >> obviously, we are going to need to. let's go now to the news. we actually have serious news here. also turkey. did you see this? >> i saw turkey. >> you're blushing! >> that is the most important story in the world. >> it's not makeup, joe. >> this is actually the most important story in the world and we will talk about it later. >> we will get to the "star trek" videos for the irs people. officials in oklahoma say at least seven people are still missing following the latest round of violent weather to crash through that state. at least 13 people were killed there with another three victims in missouri. five tornadoes touched down on friday around oklahoma city. one of the twisters was a half mile wide. the weather channel's mika brzezinski was caught in the storm's past. his vehicle absolutely destroyed. amazingly, the cameras were still rolling as the winds flipped the car from the road, i believe it flipped over three times. bettis and another crew member
suffered minor injuries while a third passenger was hospitalized and here they are now in their own words. >> everybody duck down. i just saw my wife's face and i thought, you know, that's, you know, that's my life and i don't want to give that up just yet. everybody duck. go, go. >> you could hear mike basically yelling into the radio, faster, faster. >> our lead car got pulled off the road into a ditch. we realized we weren't going to make it. >> i was just thinking, you know, this is it. i'm done. >> the first window went, you could hear the pop. >> it blew out right next to me and showered me with glass. >> the last thing i remember is looking over my left shoulder and seeing the bettis mobile pass me and go airborne. >> you just felt this tumble, tumble, tumble. there was a moment there where it was weightlessness. we were floating. it felt like at that moment i was going to heaven.
>> i came down kind of hard and i had both hands on the steering wheel opinion. >> eventually the vehicle came to a landing. >> i could see a wrecked vehicle in front of us. maybe one behind us. that is when i couldn't see the bettis mobile. they were a hundred yards into a muddy field. >> it makes you think about your immortality and gives you perspective. hold on, brothers, hold on. it was a moment i'll never forget. we have reports of three storm chasers, scientists. tim and paul samaras and carl young were killed while chasing the storms that ralph vaged parf oklahoma on friday. horrific news in a storm chasing community that is a big community lately, running into each other literally. they are not doing this for kicks or for the video but to collect data to learn more about tracking tornadoes and wind speeds and how exactly to track them, which is impossible almost
at this point, unlike hurricanes. >> they are trying to figure out how to better predict obviously, before sandy hit shores five days out, scientists were able to predict perfectly where it was going to go. the people of moore, oklahoma, last week, had 16 seconds. >> minutes. >> i mean 16 minutes. 16 minutes. they are trying to do everything they can to, obviously, give a little more lead time because just think what an extra 15, 20 minutes would do. >> we all were down there, brian. when you look at that, it's amazing how many people survived. >> yeah. you wonder -- i mean, listen. there are scientists but you wonder if there is some limitations there but the storms take a left turn in a hurry. >> exactly. >> if you're close, you can die. >> no doubt about it. the important thing to remember and bill karins told us this last hour, we have been having one story after another story of these massive tornadoes. you just has. that is just awesome, huge
power. but we have had less storms this year. we have had less fatalities this year. the season was very slow up until the past week or two. then we have been hit with one after another after another. ironically, this year will come in as a less active tornado season. >> we will be following that throughout the show. now to other news. this week will be a rough one for the irs again. tomorrow treasury department investigators will release a report on excessive government spending which found the irs spent about $50 million on more than two conferences for employees between 2010 and 2012. that includes a gathering in anaheim, california, where employees watched training videos that spoofed "star trek" and "gilligan's island." >> can we turn the sound up?
>> it's really not worth it. >> this is someone with a home video camera. >> put it on an iphone. >> except the problem here is that these videos cost at least $50,000 apiece. the report found the agency didn't negotiate lower room rates and some employees stayed in presidential suites that cost up to $3,500 a night. >> overall the cost of the 2010 conference came in at $4 million. just ridiculous. >> the lady line dancing with a broken leg. let's go to robert gibbs. robert, not great news obviously for the irs. you've got this embarrassment on top of possibly growing scandal inside the agency. how does the white house respond? >> well, first of all, how appropriate that they were mimicking "gilligan's island." i'm sure they didn't have to get dressed up. look. this is, obviously, part of the story that is going to get worse. again, i think you'll see -- i
would expect to see the white house come out and strongly denounce this type of spending and reiterate that the acting commissioner is there to get a hold of an agency that has, to say the least, lost the focus of what it's supposed to be focused on. >> ben? >> i don't think nobody likes the irs. the white house is going to pile on as everybody else will. i think what the white house has to make them nervous the irs has no -- they agree to looking into the line between political spending and charitable spending primary but not only conservative groups and something obama has pushed for a crackdown on and clearly going to get tossed out with the bath water. >> we had criticism, of course, on capitol hill. we will get to in a moment. after weeks of scandal and controversy attorney general eric holder is phasing a growing
chorus of calls for his resignation. while the white house is publicly sticking by holder peter baker reports in "the new york times" there are people in the west wing privately telling associates they wish he would step down. there is also heat coming from the media and members of congress. here is the executive editor of the "the new york times." >> the times and readers are quite concerned about the six active criminal leak cases that the obama administration has pursued. that's more than all of the other administrations combined, and, you know, we are concerned that the process of news gathering is being criminalized. >> it would be kind to say he misled congress. it would be less kind and more accurate to say that would rise to be a lie by most people's standards, by the american people standard, you don't sign a warrant and then pretend you wouldn't know about it, it wouldn't come to you.
one of the things about perjury, this is the attorney general. don't use perjury lightly and perjury is a criminal charge that has to be proven. but certainly it's hard to have confidence in what this attorney general says or his people say when, so often, it turns out not to be true. chuck todd, what is the white house going to do? "the new york times" talking about the criminalization of reporting, something that you said a couple of weeks ago, that's a problem for a democratic administration. how do they move forward? >> it is. many issue with eric holder, this has been a divide in the white house for frankly more than a year ago. i would call at the time political advisers that blitz between the political advisers and the president on this one. a lot of political advisers would like eric holder to decide he wasn't serve a second term. >> why do they want him out
earlier? >> they feel he didn't use a lot of political sense when managing the building or some would argue he doesn't manage the building. by "the building," i'm referring to the justice department. that there is always this issue of -- that he just seems to be surprised by what is going on, or not well informed enough, or if he well informed enough, not very articulate how to deal with it internally than how to deal with it on capitol hill, that he doesn't get prepared when he goes to capitol hill. >> how close is the president to eric holder and does any of this matter? >> it does mat a lot. they personally very close and mrs. obama and eric holder's wife are very close. they are personally close. and the president believes, from what i understand, that eric holder has been a proxy punching bag, if you will, by some republicans in congress, that he gets overly beat up on because what they can't say about the
president they decide to go after eric holder for, so the president has some personal loyalty and sympathy what he believes have been unfair attacks, but you have some of the president's political advisers believe eric holder has brought some of this on himself because he really has just been nai naive politically. >> ben, in the past, there was some in the white house that believed that he was a political punching bag. now you have "the new york times" executive editor, people like chuck todd and others coming out talking about, quote, the criminalization of journalism, that goes beyond being a political punching bag. >> i think the argument people around holder make in his defense is that he has been a punching bag and in the phrase effort heat shield. basically obama would rather -- the anti-leak stuff comes
directly from from obama and something he is very concerned with. and if holder is taking the blame for that, i mean, that is good for the president. >> so robert gibbs, darrell issa was very tough yesterday. we heard him accusing eric holder of lying in front of congress and talked about perjury. listen to what he said about your predecessor or sh successor as we -- or the successor. >> the administration is still, they are paid liar, their spokesperson, picture behind, he is still making up things about what happened in calling this local rogue. there is no indication -- the reason that lois lerner tried to take the fifth is not because there is a rogue in cincinnati, it's because this is a problem that was coordinated in all likelihood right out of washington headquarters and we're getting to prove it. >> robert gibbs, really tough language. >> can i tell you -- well, first of all, darrell issa should call jay carney and apologize this
morning. secondly let's pull apart the statement. in all likelihood. he is laying out the charge and then saying that it might be true. then he is saying, as the investigator, i know where i want to get, now i'm just getting around to proving it. i mean, it's a stunning thing. it's why five people in this town take darrell issa seriously and it's the surest bet the republicans are on the verge of overplaying their hand publicly and the american people will lose interest in their side of this. they want to see the irs cleaned up but they will understand quickly that darrell issa is doing nothing more than politicizing this event. to throw around the words liar and perjury. >> yeah. >> as easily as he did is -- is shameful and if he has got information that these people lied, he should put it out there today. if he doesn't have information
that they lied, then he should call each of them up and apologize because this kind of discourse is why people lose confidence in their institutions. this is why people tune out from the back and forth of washington because people throw around terms like this and then the next senates can't even say with a hundred percent authority that what they said the minute before or ten seconds before is actually true. >> to add to that strategically, it's just stupid. knowing the dynamics of how politics are played in washington, why wouldn't he just actually be quiet, brian, and let it play out? because this story is, you know, tough for the white house and for the irs and the reporter stories. there's some big quiz here. the white house is really under fire for a lot of issues that they haven't handled well on the media level and jay carney himself. you know what? darrell issa just took it down to a level that makes us all
want to walk away and ignore it. i'm sorry. >> i would throw it to chuck. is this maybe the first egregious example of overreach that could help the republicans? darrell issa is notorious for it. >> mika, exactly. darrell issa is a guy that cries wolf. remember just six weeks ago, ben ghazi was going to be the be all end all and leak of these e-mails and what he promised and what it was were two different things. mika, just brought up another important point to brian's question when you were talking to brian which is this issue of let the facts themselves damming enough. by darrell issa doing what he is doing he is bailing out the white house. he is giving the white house an opportunity here to say, well, it's not that. it's not what he says it is. you do. you overplay your hand rather than it's damming enough what is going on at the white house. you have already knocked the president frankly off of his second term agenda.
this feels like the summer of his last year in office not the summer of his first year of his second term the way it seems as if there is just not a lot of action not a lot getting done. look at the headlines joe was reading this morning. deficit deal out the window. this isn't going happen here. this isn't going to happen there. they are sitting there and winning some of these political battles in washington by default but then by doing this he is actually giving the white house an opportunity to get out of this. >> keep on doing what you're doing, darrell issa. >> actually when you go out and say something like, quote, paid liar, you don't help your opponent, right? at the end of the day he is just hurting the republican cause here. >> he is not letting the facts get in the way of a good story. and, you know, it's a case of ready, fire, aim. look. and look. let's just be clear. what it adds to the dialogue is
tremendously poisonous and unhelpful. it shows how unserious he is about investigating anything. the notion that he is in charge of, quote, government oversight might now be the biggest joke in all of washington. >> robert gibbs, thank you so much. good to see you. chuck, we will see you coming up on "the daily rundown." >> be careful out there, chuck. >> now stop. >> yes, sir. >> ben, stay with us. up next, the host of msnbc "up" ste will join the conversation. you're watching "morning joe," brewed by starbucks. ♪ ♪
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he is the aurnl of the new book," the center holds obama and his enemies." also with us political writer to salon.com and host of "up" steve corn a corn a i want to get to the campaign strategy stuff you have in there that is very different. >> this is the first book about the 2012 campaign for starters so your audience which feasts on this stuff. >> we do. >> might be independence in the little nuggets that i have pretty much on every page i try to tell people at least something from behind closed doors about what happened in this campaign. so i'm willing to bet readers that they can find at least one thing on every page that they didn't know before. >> i want to know what you found most surprising but i'm going to start with campaign strategy and
completely different angle here. romney and their campaign, romney run a mad man campaign filled with 60-year-old ad makers based on a vague and unscientific hope and change theme. tell us more about that. >> well, the madman name actually came from stuart stevenson, the romney chief strategist. he hired what he considered to be an all-star team of ad makers even the fact that they were ad makers was a little bit of an old frame on the campaign. but a couple of them actually went back to ronald reagan's famous re-election campaign in 1984 and these guys were like retired baseball players coming back. meanwhile, in chicago, it was 27-year-olds in what they called the cave which was the secret antics to the obama chicago headquarters that nobody allowed in. working algorithms.
you had essentially chicago running a numbers campaign. remember, mitt romney said i'm about analystics. obama was doing that and meanwhile, romney was running a change of hope and change and people were sick of obama and want to make a change. there was this peculiar role reversal at the heart of the campaign. >> weird. some of the biggest revelations. tell us about that and then i'll let the guys jump in. >> it turns out, you know, the president was 0 for 6 in debate prep and the people around him, his coaches all knew that he was going to lose that first debate. not just because the expectations would be heer for him, mika, but because he was off his game. he got some bad advice as his coaches admitted. they told him not to tangle with romney because they knew he disliked romney so much so he
might go over the top. instead he just receded into himself and up with of his debate coach said it was like watching a man run underwater. after that you remember that samuel jackson video wake the f up? >> yes. >> he goes, i think he was talking to me. >> he might have been. steve kornacki, jump? >> the interesting thing about the 2012 election not a new term around a generation or now. i think it was coined about 30 years ago. the story of 2012 is that we took it to new heights in 2012. it started with the 2010 midterm election and republicans got control of the house brought the numbers for the democrats down is in the senate and republicans made a two-year bet at that point. the effect of that bet was to mean the government wouldn't function the next two years. the government shut down between
2010 and 2012 and the bet from republicans was the economy would be so bad that economic anxiety so high among voters in 2012 the wave that began in 10:00 for republicans to within in 2012. you would build on your house majority and take over the senate and get the white house and have complete control of government and what republicans were basically waiting on was not lets strike some kind of a budget deal with the president now in 2011 or 2012 but let the economy give complete control and paul ryan plan and put that plan into effect. basically it was two years in which the government almost completely shut down while this campaign settled out. >> i tried to tell that story in the book. it starts with the 2010 shellacking. the republican state legislatures tried to make it difficult for obama and make it
difficult for student voting and older urban african-americans who couldn't get to the polls. what happened it looked like a while that was going to work. judges overturned it and a huge backlash and obama got more african-american votes in ohio in 2012 than he did in 2008. >> in looking at the strategy you were talking about, ben, you look at the scandals of today and, yet, you would think this is a huge opportunity for the president's enemy so to speak. and that they are fumbling it, right, left, and center, i mean, they just overreach and slander him and find ways to take a great opportunity and flush it down the toilet. >> i think it's a little early to say that. >> that's the way it looks to me especially when darrell issa is calling jay carney a paid liar. >> in particular what happened
at the justice department and in the end whether or not darrell issa overplays it. jonathan, after every election the winner is the genius and the loser is an idiot who can't do the numbers right and, obviously, a lot of truth to that in this case. but what happened to this amazing apparatus after '08 and 2012 would maintain the level of political support, was going to be out there in the field defending obama promoting his agenda which i haven't really heard from. >> a great question. they turned obama for america, ofa, into ofa organizing for action. they had the greatest political organization in american history that they could have built on. so far, they have made some efforts on gun control and on immigration but so far those 20 million e-mail addresses that they had have not really paid off for them and they also have not been able to reinvent government.
>> i think what happened after 2008 there is some fatigue that came in, but they did revolutionize politics and particularly online. so in a year ago, in may of 2012, they were raising about 15 million dollars a month online. by the fall, they were raising 150 million dollars a month online. a ten-fold increase. they cracked the code on small donations which averaged only $66 for obama. romney the average was over a thousand dollars. there was real contrast here in the way they executed. >> i think this is the great unanswered question in politics and probably the most question for the future. it's this. it's about the obama coalition. these young voters and nonwhite voters and single women the coalition is the term is used to describe it. they showed up in big numbers in 2008 to get him in office and in 2009 they disappeared. you look at virginia how it went republican in 2009 and virginia wasn't on the ballot, they
disappeared. they disappeared in 10:00 when the republicans took back the house and reappeared in 2012. i can remember talking to republicans in virginia on election day last fall and confident obama voters were a onetime phenomena. the great question now i think will determine the next decade of american politics will these obama voters show up when obama is not on the ballot because he will never be on the ballot again. >> it will be tough in 2014. >> jont athan alter, thank you r being here. steve, we seal you on "up" on msnbc this weekend. that's a cheeky smile you have in the picture there. >> thank you. >> we will change that. you can change that if you want. it's cute. still ahead, congressman john dingell of michigan who is poised to be the longest member
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jean, great to see you. >> i'm sorry to know she has gone. know what i keep hearing and i hate to hear the two words she used to say for so long, oh, archie. >> oh, archie. >> we have so many people as we watch the video that were too young to understand just how important this show was. >> how ground breaking it was. >> exactly. >> in fact, it was so ground breaking. so far ahead of its time now, that when you watch in these more politically correct days, sometimes you flinch. oh, my god, they said that on tv in 1970? >> you're right today if they talk about menopause or rape or race, or race, forget it. i'm not sure they could get away with it now. >> i agree with you. >> jonathan, for people who weren't there at the time. you talk about culture
revolutions. the beatles were a culture revolution in 1964 when they came to america. i can tell you when my family started turning on cbs and watching this, i mean, it was norman lear and jean stapleton and carroll o'connor they he created and earthquake. >> i remember who the show would come out. we would go to school every day and my friends would talk about what was on "all in the family." and what did archie, why did he call her ding bat? the hilariously unintentionally funny from the perspective of archie's character and the way jean stapleton brought the humanity to the whole thing. had you to like this family on some level if you were going to keep watching them but it was completely revolutionary. there had never been anything like this on television and 50 million people would be watching because the three networks a
complete monopoly on television. >> you put up with archie because jean stapleton had such humanity and she seemed like a ding bat, but there were always those moments where the facade went down. >> wisdom in a house dress. >> exactly. >> you know, carroll o'connor said many times that no one would have accepted his character without her love and no one would have accepted her character if she didn't keep the family together and let everybody know basically he was a good guy and in own housewife view set him straight. >> what she did was to show that women were really in too many homes were treated like second class sit answers and had the effect people shouldn't be treated this way. archie should treat her better and that was the takeaway a lot of times from the show. >> also the takeaway sometimes
the women who looked like they were trot upon and knew what they were doing and controlling the family and controlling their guys, jean stapleton was fearless. norman lear talks about it all the time no subject she would go near. he would bring up a subject and think she is just going to flinch at this and she said, no, let's do it. >> a great actress with great range. must have been '72 or '73 they had the menopause episode. i was too young and i was trying to figure out what was happening. suddenly you would see jean stapleton running around and screaming at archie and archie was sitting back in his chair and scared of death to her. she was a great actress and she did so much before and after "all in the family." >> she didn't like it when people in person called her edith. she laid-like, she would say, i'm jean. i'm an actress.
>> she didn't want to be defined by edith. >> you hear them singing that song! >> exactly. >> it stops everything. >> it does. >> it does. certainly she will be missed. jeanne wolf, thank you so much and great to have you on the show. >> i'm a big fan. >> we would love to have you back. >> she was watching this morning and was not appreciating you, joe. >> making her squirm about michael douglas. we will talk about that. >> you know michael douglas is loving every moment of it. >> one subject that even "all in the family" didn't attack. >> exactly. >> put we did. the weather channel mika brzezinski who narrowly survived a tornado in oklahoma on friday, he will share his incredible story when "morning joe" comes right back. [ male announcer ] this is bob,
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45 past the hour. joining us from atlanta is weathers channel meteorologist mike bettis. also with us here on the set is meteorologist bill karins. mike, first of all, tell us about your -- it sounds like a pretty traumatic experience covering the tornadoes. >> scariest moment of my life truly being hit by the front end of the tornado on friday in el reno, oklahoma. the car tumbling over and over again until we end up in a field. it was harrowing to say the least but happy that we all ended up walking away from that. we have one of the guys on our team still in the hospital with some broken bones but, for the most part, everyone walked away unscathed. >> unbelievably lucky. >> mike, bill karins.
we are glad you're okay and the physical and mental recovery from the traumatic event you went through. we lost three storm chasers, tim samars and his crew. what was it it about this storm? you guys are the best infant business out there. i think on radar 20 storm chasers underneath this storm. what got you caught and everybody else caught in it? >> i think a lot of different circumstances with this one. it was a larger tornado and had a lot of multivortexes in it so you had these spin-ups within the tornado that very powerful and it had erratic motion. it was east and south and abrupt turn to the north. and the road network i think was also complicating matters there. but when you hear a guy like tim samaras having been killed in it, you know, here's a guy that had done it for decades. really experienced and very well-respected in the science community and one of the most careful guys out there so i'm just shocked by that.
>> it's funny we had is a bast yun young who said he was done with war zones. what is your take on returning to this type of work and how do you feel about it moving forward? >> it may not be up to me. it's probably going to be, you know, my family's choice. they have supported me for years having done this, but i think it's been an eye-opener. you get perspective after you go through something like this and you're able to walk away from it and it gives you perspective what is important in your life. i'll have that discussion with them. if they don't want me to, then i won't. >> mike bettis, thank you very much. we are really grateful that you're okay. up next, germany's goalkeeper shows a generation of young soccer players how it's not done. >> i'm still trying to figure out what is going on here? what in the world? >> i can't believe that. >> we will break down the
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that's part of the tactic. it's gone in. i can't believe it. what a terrible mistake! >> we are trying to figure out what he was trying to do on this shot. let's bring in the soccer analyst. what happened? >> that's bill buckman. the german fwoel keeper. it wasn't good. it was generous. the 100th anniversary of the u.s. soccer federation. >> did the germans throw it? >> they played their best and they were a team, number two in the world. this was not their best squad. a depleted squad. they played in sweltering conditions against our finest. our german coach, this was his benedict arnold moment.
they went surprise, surprise in the 13th minute. they had a piece of poetry and the test and the moment of -- who said germans are not funny? >> certainly not me. the striker that you said had the first touch of a german shepherd. >> second touch. >> chasing a peach ball. >> they had to compensate by hitting everything the first time. clint dempsey went in and lashing in from close range. look at this. this is an american man. >> dempsey 15? >> absolutely. 4-1. a stroll in the park. >> did anyone feel any of the great players play? >> no. >> any german player that played for them. >> this was a very good german. this was none of that starter. >> a german bee side is better
than most. >> they are a phenomenal football team. a very interesting game for him to choose ahead of three crucial qualifiers who are now coming up. >> i thought it was nice. it was our 100th anniversary. >> it was great. >> they allowed us to lay with our hands. i think that helps. the third goal you department see. >> you get excited about world cup qualifying. that's coming up on friday, june seventh. >> down in jamaica, an intimate boisterous office. they played panama at home. it's incredibly difficult. wherever america goes, everybody wants to be them. they should qualify and you can't reach them and they got smashed earlier in the week.
let's not get too excited. we will win the world cup. >> it all starts in jamaica. they have bat day and they can have bong day. carve bongs for the first 10,000 people. >> roger bennett, thank you. >> you just ensured there will be a huge american support. >> up next, as if things were not bad enough for the irs, we know the agency dropped $50 million on employee conferences over a two-year span. one example is this video that cost taxpayers $50,000? >> like that. shocking new details of michael douglas. >> we'll be right back. i want to make things more secure.
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good morning. it's 8:00 on the east coast and 5:00 on the west coast. harold ford, jr. the line dancer, huh? thomas roberts. also john meachem in mashville and peter baker in d.c. oklahoma city keeps getting hit. >> hammered in a terrible way. more deaths to hospital. officials say at least seven people are still missing after the violent weather to crash the state. 13 were killed and three victims in missouri. tornados touched down on friday in oklahoma city. one twister was a half mile wide. the weather channel's mike bets was caught in the storm's bath as a vehicle was destroyed. the camera was rolling as the winds flipped the car from the road. they suffered minor injury and a
third passenger was hospitalized. here they are in their own words. >> i just saw my wife's face and i thought, you know, that's my life. don't to give that up just yet. you can hear mike yelling into the radio, faster, faster. the lead car got bulled off the road into a ditch. we realized we were not going to make it. i was just thinking this is it. we're done. >> the first time you could hear the pop. >> it blew out and showered me with glass. the last thing i remember is looking over my left shoulder and seeing the bets mobile pass and go airborne. >> tumble, tumble and there was a moment where there was weightlessness and it felt like i was floating. i thought i was going to heaven.
>> i had both hands on the steering wheel. >> it came to red right side up. >> behind us, i couldn't see their car. >>. >> they were 100 yards in the middle of a muddy field. >> it makes you think about your mortality and gives perspective. it's a moment i will never forget. >> just unbelievable of course. you did this. >> i did. 97 to 98 in nebraska. we were one-man bands. >> that's how it used to be and this of course tragically ended this weekend for several of these people. >> three scientists. three storm chasers. >> he and his son. >> these are people that have expertise and they know what they are looking at and they know the changing directions of
the storm and what it means to be a storm chaser. my experience was limited because i was a reporter. i didn't want to chase storms. i had to. it was my assignment. these people to it for bigger reasons. >> they don't do it just for the video. they are collecting data and trying to find out how to predict them better. you can predict a hurricane almost perif et cetefecperfectl you cannot. >> look at the car getting knocked around and they are trying to figure out the path and how it changes. the difference between hurricanes and tornados, think about this. with hurricane sandy, they had five days before hurricane sandy hit shore. they had predicted the path perfectly. >> in moore, oklahoma, they had 16 minutes. >> if they look back over what
we have seen the collection of the three big storms and there was a reference back to the 1999 in moore, oklahoma on may 3rd. you look at the trajectory, they are almost identical e f5 storms. they are trying to see what it means to best save live when they can predict and forecast the storms. >> lock at that. they are massive. >> bill karens has more on this including the lives lost among the tornados. >> the two points with mike bets and i don't know if he showed it, the first thing he said with the when are channel after he got out of the vehicle is i screwed up. i put my and crew's at risk and we never should have been in that spot. we should not glorify the video we get. any time you see a storm chasing
video, that close to the storm chaser or the storm chaser in the video, they screwed up. they put their lives at risk. they are not supposed to be that close to the storm. some of the people that did pass. tim and paul samaras were 20-year veterans. 95% of the people chasing these storms are there for the adrenaline rush and get their you tube videos and they get on and sell the videos. there is tim. he was a veteran and a pioneer in research. he holds the pressure for the lest pressure ever measured in a tornado. he was doing work like that, but a lot of these people are not. what's shocking is we knew with so many storm chasers, we would get a fatality. what is surprising is it was someone who knows when they are doing. some of that was cautious and took safetys a big priority for many, many years and he got caught in a bad position.
>> thank you very much. moving on to other news now, after weeks of scandals and controversy, eric holder is facing a growing chorus of calls for his resignation. the white house public low is sticking by holder. peter baker reports that there people in the west wing privately telling associates they wish he would step down. there is heat coming from the media and members of congress. here's the executive editor jill a brack and darrell issa. >> they are talking about what the obama administration has pursu pursued, more than the others combined. we are concerned that the process of news gathering is being criminalized. >> you are trying to say he misled congress?
it would be less crime and more accurate to say that would rise to be a lie by most people's standards. by the american people's sandards, you don't sign a warrant and pretend you don't know about it. one of the things about perjury, this is the attorney general. don't use perjury lightly. it has to be proven. it's hard to have conphi dmens what this attorney general says or people say, but it turns out not to be true. >> the question is knowing this white house that you do, did they call for his resignation and stiffen the resolve or did he start listening to the growing chorus? >> all things being equal, it could be a fresh start with a different attorney general, but one of the things that will make that not happen is having a lot of republicans say he should
step down. it seems to embolden their critics and what they think and what they call a partisan campaign. this was back a long way. he was an interesting figure. nobody had come under fire more than he had. he wanted to get past that and stayed in the second term specifically to get past the controversies to build a record and go out on his own terms. >> peter, you were in washington obviously in the 90s. i know him and i like him and i talked to him, but eric had a rough round in the clinton administration as well. he seems to draw critics. >> he was under janet reno. he was also a lawyer involved in the justice department and that parton at the end. he tends to get in the middle of these big disputes.
attorney generals tend to be on the hot spot and the last three or four had a lot of criticism. he seemed to be attracting a lot of attention these days it that he wouldn't like to have. >> this is going to be another rough week with another scandal and that's for the irs. tomorrow the treasury department investigators are going to release a report on excessive government spending that found the irs spent about $50 million on more than 200 conferences for employees between 2010 and 2012. >> $50 million? >> correct. >> were you invited to the conferences? >> you know you did. >> i can tell. >> that includes -- oh, god. look at this. a gathering where they watched
training videos that spoofed star trek and gilligan's island. let it breathe. hold on. i never saw someone who looked like i dream of jeannie. not that i watched all the time because i was not a trekky. >> these videos cost at least $50,000 that makes me angry as a taxpayer. i wish they asked me to produce them because i would have done it for $49,000. this is ridiculous. >> i'm not done yet. the agency did not negotiate lower room rates and some employees seen here line dancing stayed in presidential suites that cost up to $3500 a night. >> that woman is line dancing in a cast. doing the macarena. >> my lord.
overall the cost of the 2010 conference came in at $4 million. >> that's unbelievable. harold ford, jr. >> the questions will continue to swirl. i watched darrell issa and there is a point where there has to be a vigilance. it will be hard for taxpayers to understand this and how you spent if that number is correct. this all looks terrible. i want to ask you about this and show you darrell issa who said the committee is working to figure out who is responsible for the groups. the california republican had also tough words for white house press secretary jay carney. tick a look. >> and the administration is
still the spokesperson picture behind, he is making up things about what happens in calling this local rogue. there is no indication. the reason that lois tried to take the fifth is not because there is a rogue in cincinnati. it's because this is a problem that was coordinated in all likelihood out of washington headquarters and we are beginning to prove it. >> yep. >> what do you think? >> i think darrell issa hurts himself and his cause more than jay carney at the white house when he calls him a paid liar. >> i agree. >> there is so much that is working against jay right now. >> let it breathe. >> right. he said things that we have said. clearly not in line with the facts. they are not true.
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whether you are monitoring diabetes and taking insulin because of sugar imbalance or an imbalance in chemicals in the brain called bipolar where you can take medication and get help and get therapy and maintain that and monitor that your life as well as physical ailments. we need to get beyond the stigma. >> and also get people the help they need. i don't know someone who didn't know or isn't in some way impacted by the other than. >> my friend is bipolar and almost ruined my wedding and i asked miss close, by the way, i saw the paper again. it's on my ipad. it's underrated and i wanted to point that out. >> thank you for pointing that out on this important day. >> it is. >> now she comes on the show.
>> in terms of cultural acceptance and what challenges do we see moving forward if we made a lot of prodpresz? >> i think a lot of people think we are for example along than we are. they are understanding more and more it's an illness like any other and there is treatment. you can be in recovery and have a full and productive life, but what is important is social inclusion. there still is a lot of stigma. i think people can say no, i understand, but i don't want them to live next to me. or no, i think i understand, but i don't want them to teach my children or i don't want them to be a supervisor in the workplace. i think it becomes a human rights issue and that's where we are. i think it's interesting that my
nephew was diagnosed at 19 with schitzo effective order. he said i feel like my brain is healing. he has been proactive and got married and he's an artist and living a full and wonderful life. my sister jesse who was bipolar was not diagnosed until she was 51. she is also doing well, but my goodness, what it would have meant to her to have early diagnosis. the fact that they are interesting to talk about their illnesses is huge in their recovery. i think we need to have people and families and loved ones willing to support and to say it's all right to talk about it. we are here and we can help and we have to have people who are living with mental illness with the courage to say this is what
i'm living with and i can have a productive and we need to understand. >> it's more than okay to talk about it. i don't know anyone who is not touched by this. it's in my family as well and so treatable. especially with the incredible leaps and bounds in the medical and mental health community in terms of diagnosing early. when i was at cbs, i did a multipart series with bipolar in children and other disorders being treated wrongly. you have to learn how to treat it correctly. half the battle is just getting treatment. even if you are in a fairly affluent family, it is unbelievably difficult to get through the whole red tape and paperwork and insurance and everything to do with it. that is a full time job. how do we help the people who need the help? >> there a couple of things. we need to make sure that the insurance companies treat all kinds of illnesses the same way.
not a 50% copay for mental illness and 20% for physical illnesses. health insurance is getting fixed. we have the huge problem in the community. if a parent is looking around for help for their child or a family member, a local law enforcement folks are being called and talking to somebody who shouldn't be in jail, but needs mental health help. there is not a 24-hour facility in every community. maybe if they are a veteran. 22 vets are committing suicide every day. shame on us. all of that can be put together. that's the excellence in mental health legislation is all about. i have to say on my own as well as i said to you, my dead went undiagnosed and misdiagnosed if are ten years. finally they figured out he was bipolar and he got the medicine he needed and lived a very productive life managing his illness the rest of his life.
just like any other illness. we can do that. yet today 30% of those who are bipolar get zero help in a year. 50% of those who have serious mental illness get zero had upon in a year. >> it's ridiculous. before we go, this is a star-studded event. looking at the range here. you have bradley cooper and joe biden among others. >> joe biden, the guy is a rock star. >> you will shed light on it. >> how did you get joe biden? >> it's a wonderful thing. >> it's unbelievable. >> it's a cross section. >> it shows that everybody cares about this issue. everyone has been touched by it. the early intervention is important. they are directed at veterans coming home. we need to do everything
possible to get rid of the stigma and have people talk openly about it. when you hear from celebrities and people who are household names, it's already to talk about it. it happened to them and it's okay to happen in my family and my community. that's the first step towards healing. >> thank you very much for talking about this. it's personal to everybody. everybody hasn't talked about it until now. thank you. >> thank you again. you have done it again, valerie. this is going to be really important. this thursday, we are not done with you. you are coming my way to participate in a special women's conference that i will be hosting with arianna huffington. we discussed that in the magazine. -it is a time when stress levels in the workplace are higher than ever and young people are coming of age as america's most
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>> it was an interesting visit. >> were you planning on telling people? wanted to go under the radar some. >> i'm in new york tonight as a celebration. henry kissinger's 90th birthday. one of the great men in our diplomatic history. i think he has been controversial from time to time, but i think he is one of the giants. i was there because i wanted to go inside and meet with the people who are fighting and meet with the general and get a chance to see it myself and so it was helpful from the state department and the syrian opposition. >> you say he has the upper happened? >> when you see hezbollah pouring in and the rugs increasing arms supply and the revolutionary guard that is upping their ante and the control of the air is the key
element in they is nair low like this. they are called -- they are surrounded and it's a key place to connect damascus with the other parts of syria and this fight is going on. people are being slaughtered, my friend. >> we are up to what, 80,000 syrians? >> some estimates are close to 100,000 depending on who you talk to. the flood of refugees is destabiliz destabilized. >> jordan being destabilized and lebanon. we are seeing this bill over the borders of syria. >> it's turning into a regional conflict and sectarian conflict. a proxy between iran and saudi arabia. it really is very dangerous. very, very dangerous. i believe that we could still
intervene by cruise missiles taken out and providing a safe zone. no boots on the fwround aground american aircraft. >> where are the allies on this? >> they are eager to help. they are the british and they need american leadership. david made a strong case to president obama that we need to help. i understand americans are war-weary from iraq and afghanistan, i understand. if this spirals out of control -- >> it is spiraling out of control. you are talking about know wo understa 100,000 people slaughtered and now you have lebanon and jordan destabilized. this continues. >> i understand your dad's point of view and i understand there
is a big approach to the issue and i respect it and i respected him for 30 years. we had differences from time to time. most importantly we need to have the debate. >> here's my question to you. i am not here to defend my father's position. >> because he wouldn't defend you. >> oh, god no. he makes me buy his baooks, senator mccain. >> i buy his books. >> i want to challenge you given the fact that americans are war-weary and obviously you know that it is precarious to get into another war with another country and no boots on the ground, i think we heard that before and that possibility before. what if it doesn't work. then what? aren't we mired again? >> if it doesn't work in my view we would say we have done the
best we can. the status quo, the way this has been unfolding is also totally unacceptable. by the way, i am sure you might recall in bosnia, there was ethnic cleansing and we went in with air power and kosovo without the endorsement and stopped the ethnic cleansing there. we should have with president clinton trying to stop what happened in rwanda. this is one humanitarian crisis, but two it's the strategic position of iran that is threatened by the fall of assad the general said the greatest blow to iran is the fall of assad. the reason hezbollah is sending thens of fighters in is if they lose syria, they lose the connection between iran and finally the iranians are busy everywhere. i was in yemen and the president of yemen said the greatest
threat is not al qaeda, it's iran. >> they remain and have been the epicenter of terrorism and have been since 1979. they are no the slowing down in the least. in fact they seem to be speeding up. >> can i say i understand the reluctant of the american people, but i think the president can make a case for giving them a no-fly zone in an area of which to base the government. the military side is cohesive. the civilian side is all over the map. as we know. >> we have an opposition that we can support. that was the challenge in libya. >> if we can get them. >> who was the opposition that we can turn weapons over to without them turning on us? >> the leader of the military and i would move their civilian side into syria. when they are outside, they are disconnected from the people
fighting and dying. i met the young fighters and i met 19 of them. they are tough and hardened. they are really -- if the word is not anger, they are very disappointed we evaporate helped them more. these weapons are moving in and slaughtering their people. >> all right. senator john mccain, thank you very much. >> we didn't even talk about the irs. >> you know why -- >> you're next. they are coming after me. >> good reason. par>> the star trek video. i don't get it. >> gsa, the irs. >> can i mention thing about that? after iran contra, it was proven the president was wrong. he said i was wrong, i take responsibility, i think we may reach that with this president of the united states maybe.
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democratic representative congressman john dingle. great to have you here. it is a great honor. what are your thoughts after all these years? you will go into the history books? are. >> first of all, i am grateful to be here. second of all, i am very, very proud to have been a part of the festivity of the greatest nation in the world. who have known and served with and for wonderful people. >> you began and you got elected in 54. you started serving in 55. talk about that. did you have a president that you thought understood congress and worked with congress better than any of the others? >> johnson. jerry ford. and jerry ford was a much better president than people will say. he was a fine man and a good
president. he was a decent man. nixon was surprisingly a much better president than his reputation. although he was as churchill said, a great bad man. >> is there a certain period, a certain era? washington doesn't work right now. is there a period where washington and congress seemed to work most eveningi ieffectiv? >> before i got here, obviously the new deal. roosevelt had a series of terrible crisis on his hands and a depression and he was scared to death of the communist take over. he had the worst war in history and on top of that, he had to prepare for the end of the war and for the postwar peace. he did well in all. >> debbie, you have to be proud
obviously. friday i guess your husband breaks a record. >> i am proud of him, but i think what i'm the proudest of is that he believes people have to work and he stays working every day saying republicans and democrats have to work together. i think you should talk about that? >> i think the country demands and the founding fathers intend we should. it is my belief essentially with all of this fighting, we are breeching a trust to the american people. we are the custodians of the system. the american people ought to demand better behavior from the members of the congress on both sides of the aisle. >> let's talk about your district and your city and your state. since 1955 when you started, michigan has gone through. detroit has gone through. i understand that when we went up to michigan this past week, detroit had $11 billion invested
in it recently and the city, ford, gm and a lot of big manufacturers may be coming back. >> the companies are coming back and trying and working. everybody is cooperating. it's an example to the united states. they are trying and working. that's true. the labor and the unions and the management and everybody in michigan. we know how important their success is to us to the country and to the state. >> how are you going to celebrate on friday? >> this milestone. >> just an extraordinary historic milestone. >> my daddy taught me it is not how long, it is how well. debbie and i will celebrate. she is the greatest friend i have ever had and one of the smartest people i have ever known. frankly we are going to go about our respective businesses and do the best job we can.
it will be another great day because every day is a blessing. >> was it a blessing to work with joe. >> no, absolutely not. >> joe and i differ very strongly on many things, but he knew the system has to work. it does him great. i hope i am a friend. >> thank you. >> congratulations. >> up next. >> debbie, thank you. >> what if anything did we learn today? i think we did. i'm the next american success story. working for a company
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. back to "morning joe." time to talk about what we learned today. what did you learn? >> it's not just children. >> come on. do you guys not feel a little safer knowing what michael douglas taught us all today? it's a safer america that we live in. what did you learn? >> it's not just children who get scared by the weather. take a look. that was the rain delay for the mets game. >> it looks like they knocked a ball out of someone's hand. >> each jonathan alter has no idea what practical brack's campaign apparatus is doing these days.
>> we are going-over to "the view" today. >> michael douglas. it's way too early. what time is it? >> it's time for "morning joe," but now over to "the daily rundown" with chuck todd. >> the vision thing. six months into his second term, is president obama driving the agenda or trying to manage daily drama. it will be a crucial and busy month, but will it be remembered for anything other than being busy. >> attorney general eric holder and anonymous democrats start to whisper about his leadership and future as the top cop. as the period meets with world leaders, violent protests in turkey has an impact on the steps taken for mideast peace. a potential partner than the prime minister of turkey. from washington, it's