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just fade away, too, with them. due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. ♪ a cell search results in some heated words. >> later on we're going to fight. is that what you're saying? >> that's what we call a class a jack ass. >> and -- >> we found what we need already. >> the discovery of a gang
manifesto. >> boss is the brother of a strong struggle. >> and an older man takes charge of a young man with a violent past. >> right now he's in my care. >> a new policy could push some inmates to the edge. >> a lot of guys in blue enjoy their coffee and their cigarette and their honey bun. if you take away one, they're going to have a lot of bad days. >> and when we give our cameras to inmates to record in private, one confronts his own mortality. i wonder just how much time i have left? by that i mean left in this world.
♪ everywhere we go ♪ people want to know ♪ that we are the mighty, mighty work force ♪ ♪ we are the santa rosa work squad ♪ >> every morning inmates at santa rosa's florida institution, inmates march outside the institution. they are part of the rls. >> it's kind of like the old chain gang but not to that level. it's actually their job assignment. >> today the squad will be
working on the farm, a seven-acre plot of land adjacent to the prison. >> all the food we grow goes directly to feed the inmates. most of them do like to be out hoar working. some of them don't. it's more like a punishment to them. but most of them do like to be out here doing something. >> you never get used to the shackles, but it's something you learn to deal with. if you want to come out here and work, get the fresh air, it's something you have to do. >> i put myself in this predicament. >> the inmates use tools that could be used as a deadly weapon and lead to escape. >> the officers have 12 gauge shotguns and they have a buck shot. if they do breach that distance, they'll be told to stop. if they keep on going, we can use deadly force. >> all the inmates in the restricted labor squad have been in confinement for disciplinary violation bus are now nearing release back to general population. one of them has recently come to the attention of officers knight and demerey.
their job is to gather intelligence on gangs. acting on a tip, their target today is inmate alex everett. >> this guy has printed out some codes, pictures we're going to search for gang-related contraband, anything he's not supposed to have. being on the restricted labor squad, i'm concerned maybe being on the outside he was able to bring in contraband. >> but when they arrive at the cell, they discover the window covered, usually a sign inmates are flushing contraband. >> take the window down. take the window down. put that down and come here and cuff up.
dorm 1115, echo. >> pull them britches up, man. what do you think this is? >> you ain't got to dress like that either. turn around. back out. >> what you doing with those bobos on? >> can't have them on? >> you got flip-flops? >> everett, serving ten years for home invasion robbery and his cell mate joseph johnson, serving ten years for aggravated all the and armed robbery, will be placed in holding cells while
their cell is being searched. everett says it's of no concern. >> i ain't going to take it serious cause i know that they putting up an act. try to act tough, pull us both out. whatever they find, they find. >> though everett's possible gang affiliation prompted the shakedown, johnson's possessions will be searched, as well. >> is there a particular reason we being targeted? >> targeted? >> yeah. >> you know, i just reached in and picked a number out. that's it. that's it. you like that answer? >> sounds like a lie to me. >> okay. >> i want them bobos. concerned with bobos or sneakers when they come out, helps them get around. they want to fight. it's a whole lot easier for traction. sometimes it's an indication in the day room you'll see several come out in bobos that something's going to happen. >> you was lying to me. if i want to fight, i could come
out in these. i don't need a particular type of shoes to fight. >> okay. >> i want to fight. taking my shoes not going to stop me fighting. that's really not -- >> so what you're saying later on we're going to fight, is that what you're saying? >> no. >> okay. >> that what we call a class a jackass. coming up -- >> this is good. we'll have this guy documented as insane gangster disciple before the end of the day. >> the investigators find what they're looking for. and inmates face the uncertainty of a major policy change. >> smoking by inmate populations brings on many expenses. >> this is it. pain relief without the shock of ice.
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makes inventory of the tools quick and a snap. you can tell what's missing. things like these can be weapons of opportunity at any moment. checking them out, you hold somebody responsible for them. we try to maintain order, and it gives a day-to-day routine thing. you would think that it becomes monotonous but you always find yourself walking around checking locks, looking for tools. it's almost like a installed paranoia. you never completely safe in prison on either side. i grew this facial hair on my face first off because inmates are not allowed to in florida department of corrections. if ever i was to be taken hostage and swapped out with a uniform i would hope the snipers would know not to shoot me. >> at florida's santa rosa
correctional institution, security threat group coordinators knight and demerey are assigned the task of developing intelligence of known and suspected gang members. today they targeted the cell of inmate alex everett. it doesn't take long until they find what they're looking for. >> here's some 410, 412, boss swagger, look like some blood code. >> b.o.s.s. >> they're trying to hide their gang stuff in rap music. >> boss, boss swagga enterprises. boss is the brothers of the strong struggle which is a designated security threat group in the state of florida.
and it listed them the people's nation as a blood set. hey this guy is insane gangsta disciple. this is something different, jimmy. an igd dark side. insane. this is something we need right there. we found out what we need already. ooh. >> what we're looking for. >> new sentence. ooh, this is manifesto. this is their policies, their rules. and we have family respect. you're involved on the inside, and how you supposed to act. your hierarchy as you rise up. generically they call that information officer 9-3, knowledge. and if you're going to represent as any gang member you're supposed to be able to spout that knowledge. >> this is good. we'll have this guy documented as a insane gangsta disciple before the end of the day. >> while everett's gang manifesto is a significant find
the officers also inspect the possessions of his cell mate, joseph johnson, where they find paperwork that's more puzzling than sinister. >> oh, let's see, how often have you fallen in love? do you believe in love at first sight? physically what do you look for in a man or a woman? how old were you when you first had sex? we're going to keep it. we'll dissect it. all right, that's good stuff. we got some information there. >> as the inspection continues, johnson makes it clear how he feels about the officers and their search. >> this dorm is notorious for just the smallest, pettiest stuff. they just nitpick at you for every little thing. they always tell you like, i'll throw them a curve ball. don't you just hate when your wife come home and just nag about every little thing? that's how i feel.
♪ >> for the inmates, nagging wives might soon pale in comparison to a major change coming to santa rosa. the florida department of corrections is due to implement a ban on smoking in the next few weeks. >> smoke blows up, that was in a movie. >> like in the movies. >> just do it again. >> you know what i mean? >> can't you get cancer from that? >> smoking by inmate population within the department of corrections brings on many expenses for medical due to their inmate smoking. and this was done to reduce the cost of incarcerating inmates. we do not anticipate this to be a major issue. is it going to be uncomfortable for inmates that have smoked for years? yes. >> i been smoking 30 years. >> you ever tried to quit before? >> absolutely. >> and what happened?
>> nothing. i kept right on smoking. i quit one time about three hours. >> a lot of guys in blue here that enjoy a cigarette and their cup of coffee and their honey bun. and if you take away one, they're going to have a lot of bad days. >> you pick that up off the ground? you didn't pick that one up off the ground? how many have you picked up off the ground today? you don't know? >> when i come in the system, they used to give us two packs of cigarettes a day. i think a pack of tobacco was 25 cents. now it's $5.60, i think is. this is it. a lot of the times, me, i can't speak for other guys, i just speak for me, you know. i light up a cigarette when i don't want it. why? something to do. >> the smoking ban is one of the more significant changes that jack hill has seen over the past 30 years. he's serving a life sentence for a burglary and assault that took place in 1977, when he was 18 years old. since then he has been paroled three times. but each time hill gets out he finds himself back behind bars.
>> the times i was out i tried to do one thing that you can't never do. i tried to make up for the years that i lost. still that 18-year-old kid. i'll never get that back. i'll never get that back. i look at myself as a person who's made a lot of wrong choices. >> i think jack hill back in the day was a handful. whereas he's gotten older now, and he don't want to be messed with. he don't mess with nobody. don't want anybody messing with him. >> i think the inmate hill now is just about doing his time. >> people outside, they've done completed college, has a family, done all that in life in those 30-year period. to me it's just nothing has changed. when i really think about how long it's been, i get kind of -- i'm like, wow.
that's a long time. but how does work go? c'est la vie? kay serra. i'm doing it. >> hill was recently reacquainted with this 35-year-old who transferred to santa rosa from another prison. the two men met 18 years earlier when bernie was first incarcerated. >> jack always been there for me. been like a big uncle. >> and here all we have is each other. we're family. we're family. >> as far as race, black, white, you know i got a natural life sentence. i got too much on my mind to worry about hating a whole race of people. if i'm going to hate them, i'll hate one son of a bitch at a time, not a whole race. >> coming up. >> he lost a lot of blood. that's why they had to airlift him out. >> a young inmate with a violent past learns a few lessons from an old timer.
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officials at the santa rosa correctional institution in florida allowed us to give cameras to several inmates in order to let them record personal thoughts about prison life. among them are two of santa rosa's more seasoned inmates. who between them have spent decades in prison. >> as the years go by you get comfortable. i don't wish anyone was in here. time has a way of running away from you. one day you start to see a gray hair. where'd that come from? then one day you look in the mirror, and you're going twenty years. twenty years. >> you will be rewarded for what
you do in life. so when you do something good, something positive, expect to be rewards for that. but if you're doing negative, bad things in life, also it's going to be bad things. the bible tells us, do unto others as you would have them do unto you're and you're going to reap what you sow. >> now serving his fourth prison term, alvin mchellon understands the meaning of reap what you sow as well as anyone. he currently has a 12-year sentence for drug possession. even though on most days he's woken up at dawn and shackled at the ankles for his judge on the restricted labor squad.o on the restricted labor squab on the restricted labor squad. on the restricted labor squa on the restricted labor squab on the restricted labor squad. mchellon says it's better than the alternative. >> my pop taught me never be a
stranger to work. it's just doing something to keep from just wasting away. you got to do something. you got to take care of your body before it can take care of you, you know. >> every shackle has two locks on it. one lock, and two locks. all the 1s are keyed the same and the 2s are keyed the same. so you have two sets of keys for each shackle. it's security. in case anyone gets a hold of one of our key chains. more than likely they're not going to get a hold of two. >> got the secure the chains so the lock won't go up and down on your foot. the most comfortable place for you to walk, or you're going to trip on them all day long. you have to secure them. with the shoestring. >> get your bags two at a time starting up front. ♪ >> at age 50, mchellon is one of the oldest inmates to work in the fields. his 20-year-old cell mate scott parker is one of the youngest.
he's serving five years for armed robbery, burglary, and drug possession. >> i been in that cell for 14 months, you know what i'm saying? now 18 months. i get tired of being in that cell all the time. it was nice to come out. it's got its ups and downs. i was nervous coming to prison. first time, 19 years old. it's scary, but i was nervous. didn't know what to do, how to act. >> he's a young inmate, and it seems like he's still trying to find his way. he does act out a little bit on occasion to other inmates. he doesn't want to be bullied around. you know. being a little bit smaller guy he's trying to establish where he is, i guess, in the group. >> you don't expect to come to prison and not get tried. people are going to try you, they're going to test you. if you let them get away with it, i'm saying once, they feel
they can always do it. you know. people do die. people do get stabbed. people do get raped. you got to carry yourself a certain ways to get respect. >> parker's desire for respect is what landed him in confinement. he and three others brutally attacked another inmate. >> he lost a lot of blood so that's why they had to airlift him out. he never did nothing to me, at all. i had nothing against him. i had no right to do what i did. >> mchellon has dedicated himself to teaching parker a better way to do time. >> he's more than like a son to me, you know. but at the same time i know i'm not, he has his own mother, he has his own father. but right now he's more or less in my care. i'm concerned about him in the sense that he tends to get influenced by his friends, you know. i told him, i said you don't even have to go there, you know what i'm saying? >> while mchellon has become a surrogate father of sorts to parker he says his multiple
prison stays have cost him his relationship with his own children. >> right now i'm not in contact with any of them. i miss them all, i really do. so if any influence comes from me to him, i wanted it to be something positive. i wanted it to be something good. and then that way, if anybody's around my kids, i want them to be given them a positive influence, rather than some negative, and then i can't expect that if i don't first give it. >> among other things, mchellon is helping parker earn his g.e.d. >> wasn't this right on those? >> listen, listen, this is what i'm trying to tell you. you trying to find a number that will go into both of them equally. you couldn't find one. now you have to back it up. >> scott keeps saying that i can't do math, i said don't say can't. don't even put that in your vocabulary. i said you can. >> that one was easy. >> that's the difference of multiplication. >> that one's easy. >> multiplication is even different from that.
it helps me, makes me feel a lot better about myself being able to help somebody else out. >> a lot of things he says, my father has done told me -- i told you. and i'm like here my dad says that all the time, with him being so much older than me if he feels like he can help me, he's going to give me his opinion. whether or not i take that sometimes i don't want to hear it. >> and i'm not his father so i can't tell him what to do. it's simply up to him whether he want to or not. so that's why i can't force that issue. now if he was my son -- i'd tear his little butt up. coming up. >> in my game, this game of disciples, i hold the knowledge. >> alex everett faces the consequences of his actions. >> losing the manifesto, yes, probably going to get in trouble. it could be a beatdown. >> and later, jack hill faces a different sort of threat. >> don't know what that is but
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policeman we on a whole other level yeah, yeah, yeah ♪ >> joseph johnson, serving ten years for armed robbery, is not shy when it comes to expressing disdain for staff at florida's santa rosa correctional institution. >> that's what we call a class a jackass. >> during a recent cell inspection aimed primarily at finding documents to link his cell mate to a gang, officers also found some interesting documents among johnson's possessions. >> how often have you fallen in love? do you believe in love at first sight? how old were you when you first had sex? >> we write letters to our girls, sometimes, you know, we include different type of sex questionnaires to our girl, so that's pretty much what that was about. >> how many people have you sent it to? >> just one. just one. you trying to get me in trouble now. >> but it was in the possessions of johnson's cell mate alex everett that the officers found
what they were really looking for, a gang manifesto. everett has now been moved to a higher security housing unit. but he says the officers didn't get everything. >> in my gang, the same gang, i hold the knowledge. so that's why i had so much gang paraphernalia. i seen gang unit come here due to the fact that i am a gang member. i block my window. i knew i was dirty. so i knew i only had just seconds. the things that i could reach for -- >> take the window down. >> -- i flushed them. but i'm not knowing that when i put the shield up, he seen what i was doing. >> take the window down. >> so i told my roommate, man, forget it, man, i'm going to go out there and put dirt on dirt. >> our interview with him and everett went very well. he's admitted to the fact that he's been insane gangsta disciple since he was 14 years old. however he said it wasn't really
about gangs. it was about unity. they delude themselves into thinking it's to huggy, feely type of gang when it's not. >> the manifesto also included a key to the gang's secret codes. >> we have shampoo. that's code for weed. conditioner, heroin. we use these things to control contraband. if it says that you used my shampoo in the shower, and he signs it 0-31 it's pretty basic that he's a blood and he's delivering something to the shower, marijuana, heroin, something. basically, you put a time on it. so i'll know what time to go look. >> everett's gang may exact punishment as a result of his losing the manifesto. >> losing the manifester, yes, probably you're going to get in trouble. supposed to memorize it and lose it. it could be a beatdown. it could be loss of rank.
it could be retaliation that probably holds him for a long time. >> everett's classification as a gang member has also cost him his spot on the restricted labor squad. >> left, left, left right, left right, right left. right left. >> this morning, the squad is headed somewhere other than the farm. >> we're in what's called the dog run, in between the two outer fences that surround the perimeter of the institution. we come in here once every week or two weeks. we come in here, get all the weeds out, any crash that might have blown in and rake everything to where there's no footprints in case an inmate does breach the first fence we can see footprints in the dog run. it's more security reason than anything but it also looks good. >> have you got a ho?
no weeds? i need you to get the dirt, soften it up. don't stand around. >> while some squad members appreciate the chance to be outdoors, others like philip nixon, could do with less exposure to the elements. >> how did you get so sun burned? >> rls. we go out there and do work but there's no shade. you know, so we sit out there for the whole time, and get just like that. you know, sunscreen don't really help, because there's no shade. you know, you're in straight sunlight for six hours. ain't really no way to get away from it. >> it's free labor. we're out there working in the field for nothing. it's free labor. it's like a slave plantation, basically. >> nixon is serving 15 years for third degree murder. marcus young has ten years for robbery and battery with a deadly weapon. but he's had plenty of trouble inside prison, as well. >> marcus young has approximately 25 disciplinary
reports in his history. disorderly conduct. theft. disobeying orders. fighting. possession of weapons. possession of narcotics. assault or an attempted assault on inmates. lewd and lascivious exhibition, telephone violations. several spoken threats. >> nixon has also seen his share of trouble. >> i came here for a ride, the whole, it was a big ride and they emergency transfer everybody to this unit. the officers kept on just bugging us about oh, you won't do this. you won't do that. y'all scared. y'all kids. and they just always mess with us. so everybody got tired of it and
we just tore up the dorm. >> in confinement, the men have little to do when they're not working on the labor squad. but young hopes his new book will open a door to his future. >> i just wanted -- one of the first books i ever read right here on the stock market. about investing. investment. i started doing things like that and i don't think i never would have did that if i wasn't in a cell by myself and didn't have no distractions around me. >> while young hopes to improve his finances, alvin mchellon and scott hope their time in confinement will improve their vocabularies. >> coagulate. i don't even know what that means. >> he loves doing puzzles. we work on those together. they say two brains are better than one. so when both of us do the puzzle, we smash it. we do it real quick. >> 66. >> blank that gun. what would you say? >> sawed off shotgun. >> while mchellon and parker
have developed a father and son type relationship, it may soon be coming to an end. mchellon expects that any day now he will be released from confinement and transferred to a general population unit. >> open population is, you got a lot more privileges, a lot more room to move around and do things. you don't have so many restrictions against you. i can go outside of the dorm and walk along without having the chaperone and cuffs on me. i don't have to be supervised continually. >> the downside is leaving parker behind. >> i don't want him to go. at the same time i'm going to miss him. i want him to go. he needs to get out of here. like i said this is prison in prison. nobody wants to be here. coming up, cell mates, nixon and young find themselves in hot water over a telephone call. >> i'm trying to talk to my mom, and he writing stuff off like that.
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santa rosa correctional institution, police officers do not play. they lock you up. they will ship you if you do not behave yourself. but that's their job, i respect that. >> ready force. stay behind the cars. >> outside the security fences at florida's santa rosa correctional institution it's the end of the work day for the
restricted labor squad and time for the inmates to march back to their housing units. >> it's been a long day. >> two. >> working on our list. >> stand up. >> squad! >> one two one two. >> one two three four -- >> nothing negative? no talking about women. no talking about fighting. stand up. get back up. >> squad. ready, march. >> left.
left. left right left right right left. right left. >> so what was that -- >> at the end of his chants he said two one two, if they talk about fighting whatsoever they just figure out i don't allow that. >> two other members of the squad have also run into some new trouble. >> they pace back and forth. like a cage. >> marcus young and philip nixon have had another 15 days added to their time in confinement for violating the telephone policies. >> how did you get the disciplinary? >> call forwarding. >> what did you do? >> put another number over my
number. call told them put this like this and whenever you call my number it went to his number and you know, thank god it was for that. >> is that a way to call somebody who is not on your call list? is that why you're doing that? >> yes, ma'am. i'm trying to talk to my mom and they write you off for stuff like that. that don't make no sense. >> why isn't she on your approved call list? >> she don't have a phone. if you don't have a house phone, then you can't put -- at least you can't put cell phones. >> inmates have to send in a list of ten people on their call list, has to be approved. that way we verify these people are not through the security. if they use a cell phone. a cell phone is mobile so that means the cell phone can talk to whoever they want to. it's just a situation where security there's certain measures we've got to follow. that is a sad fact about it today, cell phones are becoming more and more popular where people are not having home phones. so it does make it hard on the inmates. >> was it worth it? >> to me it was.
my mom she was sick, you know what i'm saying? so i really wanted to talk to her so that with 15 days in d.c. no matter what they did it was well worth it. >> in addition to the extra time in confinement, young and nixon will also be separated. those changes are routine to inmates like jack hill who has spend much of the last 30 years in prison. >> it's life. it's life in prison. but you're in prison, people come, people go, you know, you don't miss them. just remember them. >> what can you say? take it as it comes. good with the bad. for every negative try to make a positive. >> another change hill is about
to experience is the prison's upcoming ban on smoking. >> personally me i'm kind of looking forward to that. you know. take them out. get them out. i don't know if this is going to sound morbid or anything like that but sometimes after losing so much of my family i start thinking about mortality in here. i would -- i really don't want to die in prison. okay? although it's a very real possibility that i may, because we're not guaranteed tomorrow. >> when we gave hill a camera to share personal feelings in his cell, we learned why mortality has been on his mind lately. >> see that right there? yeah. >> don't know what that is. it's really scary. blood on the collar of my coat. on my bed sheet. washcloth. towel. you see. i got something popping up here on my face. think it's probably skin cancer. so we'll see. it's something new, anyway, huh? >> a prison nurse has examined the lesion on hill's face and
has made an appointment for him to see a doctor. >> you know my grandfather died of cancer and my grandmother died of cancer, you know. my aunt died of cancer. >> you know, we'll see. >> coming up, jack hill learns his fate. >> judging from the appearance of the thing and the timeline and everything, i have a [ female announcer ] made just a little sweeter...
sisters, i got them beat. y'all cooking like maybe ten cups at a time. i do 150 pounds. five-star meal right here. we might have cleaned this corn. same corn we cleaned. corn we picked. shucked, bagged. loaded up. >> good thing we did a good job on it. >> mm-hmm. >> despite the differences in both age and race, cell mates scott parker and alvin mchellon have come to think of each other more as family than friends. for the past few months, they have shared a small cell in the close management or confinement unit at the santa rosa correctional institution. but mchellon may soon be leaving for the general population compound. the prison's internal classification team has recommended the transfer.
but it must still be approved by a state classification officer. >> today is supposed to be the day ms. beasley comes through, let us know if we're going to the compound or not. it can go either way. i know i did everything i'm supposed to do. you know i ain't been in no trouble, keeping a clean record, keeping self occupied whatnot. i'm looking for it to go favorably but if not i got to be ready for it. >> how do you feel about that? >> a little anxious, you know. but more or less like i prayed about it so i'm feeling pretty good about it. >> i review them every six months and make a decision with their behavior. as to what level -- the next level that will go and whether they'll be released. it all based on their behavior and they're aware of what the rules are. and if they follow the rules, then they will get good news, and sometimes they won't get good news. inmate mchellon. >> yes, ma'am. >> i'm miss beasley with state classification. you're going to be released to open pop. >> thank you. >> you're welcome. >> yes! yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. that's what we're talking about right there.
that's what we're talking about. it came out all right just like we was hoping. i'm going to the compound. that's what i wanted to hear. >> it must feel pretty good. >> oh, yeah, oh, yeah. after all this time seeing them. >> i'm happy for him. hate to see him go, but i love to see him leave, you know what i'm saying? >> i'm going to miss you, my roommate big al. man, going in the compound, that's my man. keep your head up, man. don't come back, do your time, relax. don't fall back.
going to miss you dog, man, appreciate your help you know what i'm saying, looking out. hope to see you again one day, you know what i'm saying? alvin mchellon. a good dude, man. >> i wonder how much time i have left. i wanted to just come right out there, by that i would mean in here. by that i mean get in to -- i hope that i have enough time -- [ inaudible ] i hope i have a chance. >> today, jack hill is going to see the prison doctor. concerning a lesion on his face that hill believes could be cancer. >> it's scary. it's scary. especially, you know, you start
getting a little age on you, you start seeing things like this, i wonder where it's going to lead. this -- it's kind of scary. >> judging from the appearance of the thing, and the time line and everything, i -- and the location, i'm going to say that looks like a small basal cell carcinoma. it's a type of skin cancer usually found in the center part of the face. ultraviolet light from the sun is the chief offender there. some people come in and you need a cart to carry their chart. mr. hill has a chart that, despite the number of years he's been in the system, it's probably no more than a half an inch thick. which tells me that he is more likely to minimize and ignore something of import than he is to come in complaining of something that's trivial. this is early enough we're not going to have any problems with it. we'll just get it taken care of now. will it come back? this is the result of many years in the sun. >> right. >> and there's a whole lot more of you saw the sun than just that one spot. just come back to us if you have any suspicious spots or concerns or questions. >> it makes you think. it sure makes you -- it was a wake-up call. >> this is a learning experience
for jack. he will know what to look for even more than he did before. he'll know the significance of these strangely acting lesions more than he did before. and he's more likely to catch it earlier rather than later. so i think he'll do quite well. >> i'm just glad we got this. i caught it in time. >> i'll bring you a blue consult sheet to sign and we'll get you set up with a dermatologist and get you going to get this taken care of. >> thank you, sir. thank you very much. >> okay. sure enough. >> that went good. like i said, i was very concerned, you know. just by the way it was, you know, i knew it wasn't normal. and i did the right thing. we caught it in time, which is always good. you know. and i feel a lot better about that. anyway, i'm going to say hi. we'll see you later, good-bye