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trouble. i thought the probe would be as anything as it would tet, i was so wrong. it is time for "the last word". >> i want you to hug your doors and lock your loved ones, snowden's whereabouts unknown. >> the justice department has confirmed. >> there is already an investigation under way. >> glenn greenwald says there will be more stories. >> it is entirely appropriate to debate these matters. >> there is no way to prevent abuse. >> this is a matter appropriate for public debate. >> the president said we should have a debate. >> debate. >> debate. >> debate.
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>> apparently, this is worthy of debate. >> this is the debate we have been wanting to have. >> let us have the debate. >> we're having it. >> how many folks go through life dumb? >> i don't have a problem with that. >> is this guy a criminal or whistle-blower? >> whistle-blower. >> the debate is only growing more heated. >> he is a traitor. >> the law was broken by one person, that is mr. snowden. >> these programs are within the law. >> i wants to hug your doors. america is under attack by knowledge. >> tonight, we are learning new details about nsa leaker edward snowden, when he was 9 years old, his family moved from north carolina to crofton, maryland, and snowden then grew up in the
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shadow of the nsa, located within walking distance of crofton, which is a suburb of washington, d.c., next to the nsa, where pta meetings probably have members of the intelligence community bumping into each other on a regular basis. had he been a dropout of any other public high school in america, would he have ever been able to obtain a security clearance? that is something we don't yet know about edward snowden. but what we do know is that when he dropped out of high school, his parents' marriage was coming apart. his mother, who is an i. t. clerk in baltimore, filed for divorce in 2001, the year snowden was scheduled to graduate from high school. his father is a retired coast guard official who has now remarried and lives in
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pennsylvania, according to "the guardian," the only time snowden became emotional during the many hours of interviews when he thought about the impact his choices would have on his family, many of whom work for the u.s. government. the only thing i fear is the harmful effects on my family who i will not be able to help anymore. that is what keeps me up at night, he said, his eyes welling up with tears. in may, 2004, snowden enlisted in the army reserves, he tells "the guardian," i wanted to fight in the iraq war because i felt like i had an obligation as a human being to help free people from oppression, he recounted about how his believes about the war were quickly dispelled. most of the people he trained with seemed pumped up about killing arabs, not helping anyone. snowden says he was discharged four months later because he broke his legs in a training accident.
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then came the most shocking transition in the young man's life. somewhere along the way he acquired a top secret clearance. and at this point, that remains the central mystery of snowden's life. how did a high school dropout get that top secret security clearance? in 2005, he got his first job as a security specialist at an nsa facility at the center for advanced study of language at the university of maryland. a school spokesperson confirms, he then got an i. t. job, in 2007, he was stationed in geneva to maintain security. much of what he said, he said it had an impact on government and the world. he said it was during this cia
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stint in geneva that he fought for the first time about exposing government secrets. he left the cia in 2009 for a system's administrator job with contractors including booz allen, which stationed him on a military base in japan, and a few months ago in hawaii. snowden shared the hawaii home with his girlfriend, lindsey mills, an american native. she describes herself on her blog as a world traveling pole dancing super hero. and performed with the hawaiian acrobatic group for about a year. one member told the hawaii star advertiser, she was completely unaware of her boyfriend's decision to leak nsa documents. she blogged this yesterday. my world has opened and closed
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all at once, leaving me lost at sea without a compass. at the moment all i can feel is alone. i never imagined my hand a would be so forced. i don't know what will happen from here. in 2012, snowden twice donated to ron paul's presidential campaign, according to fec documents. here is what edward snowden told "the guardian" about his greatest fear. >> the greatest fear that i have regarding the outcome for america, of these disclosures is that nothing will change. people will see the media, all of these disclosures, they will know the length that the government is going to grant themselves powers, unilaterally to create greater control over american society and global society.
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but they won't be willing to take the risks necessary to stand up and fight to change things. so force their representatives to actually take a stand in their interests. >> joining me now, alex wagner and chris hayes, and alex wagner, having heard edward snowden's greatest fear, i'm almost guaranteeing him the delivery of his greatest fears, yes, nothing will happen because in order for something to happen it will take an act of congress signed by president obama, and i can't imagine any legislation in this area getting through either house of congress. >> yes, lawrence, you talked about how international security has become the third rail of american politics, the idea, the suggestion, that you would trim back a massive, massive effort costing us billions of dollars a year, an effort that has 1.2 or 3 million people, americans with classified top secret access.
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i mean, this is a city -- it is a city of surveillance. and it is built on the foundation of fear and i think a lack of substantive cost benefit analysis on whether or not we should even have this infrastructure in place. but for anybody to have that sort of, to broach that subject, the idea that perhaps this inexorable march to an ever-sophisticated surveillance state is not something that is possible in american politics at this moment. >> so chris hayes, we have the new research washington poll showing that 66% find it acceptable that the nsa is look at phone call records of everyone in the country, 41% not acceptable. so edward snowden's worst fear is that he doesn't turn those numbers around. and then those numbers if turned
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around don't impose their will on congress and the president. >> right, i think that your skepticism and alex's skepticism about the genuine change in american politics, about the nature of the top secret government that we built in the wake of 9/11 is absolutely appropriate. two things i would say are these, one is, it is really important to remember that the whole debate is being conducted on asymmetrical footing. we just don't know enough, whether it is dianne feinstein, or clapper, if we know this stuff -- really keeps you safe shs as a citizen, it is very hard to argue that, you either trust them or you don't. i would say the public opinion on this i don't think is that strongly formed. i think it is public opinion that is produced by the fact that secrecy creates a rigged argument about the very thing
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we're debating because it is not open for public. i think this won't be a transformational moment, but it would lead to one. lawrence, if you look at the church committee and look at the last time there was a real congressional-led call into account of covert activities, part of what made that work was that it came in the wake of watergate and revelations of genuine abuse, real concrete abuse, it was oh, they were bugging martin luther king jr., right? so i think my reading of history is that surveillance systems are ripe for abuse, and when there are actual documented acts of abuse, i'm more inclined to think we'll see a turn-around in public opinion. >> but alex, that is exactly what we do not have is a documented case of this type of abuse. the martin luther king jr. equivalent type of abuse, the
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kind of momentum that triggered this type of investigation in the '70s. we heard snowden use the word abuse, but just the word. he doesn't tell us what the abuse is, it is entirely possible that his notion of abuse is not abuse to a majority of americans. and so his debate is also rigged on the snowden side, where there are absolutely no specifics involved -- supporting his argument that he absolutely had to release this information. >> well -- >> go ahead. >> i mean, the aclu has been sort of leading the fight on this. and they're trying to gain more transparency on what exactly is happened. but that is basically shut down at the supreme court because of the invoking the privilege resources. i mean, i have to think, lawrence, give the massive, massive nature of the surveillance enterprise and the fact that we are contracting now
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i think 34% of it is contracted out to private enterprise, people like james snowden who don't -- or maybe are not beholden to the operation in the same way that a government employee would be. you cannot think that there will be more sort of information coming out as more young men who are sort of fairly ideological, presumably as he was, he went to fight in iraq. the more they're fed into the system and given the magnitude of the system, the more there will be leaks like this. >> it is important to separate out public opinion, concrete examples of genuine abuse. but the third issue is whether it is constitutional or not. which is a completely open question. james clapper's argument right now it is fully constitutional for the government to capture everything and store it in the library. and the fourth amendment only applies to when you take the book off the shelf. maybe that is something that is a perfectly legitimate
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constitutional argument, but it is perfectly legitimate. i'm not quite clear, i'm not a lawyer that the fourth amendment allows the government to record every single piece of data out there. that is the third aspect out there. there is a legal aspect to be pursued. on aclu lawsuit's today, we saw that exactly on those grounds. >> the president was faced with a full choice, when he took the oath of office, that was simply does he want to stop a program that has already started under president bush? does he want to be the president who comes in and says no, we don't need this for our security. this was not his idea. he was not the one who came up with this. when president obama took office, he shut down an nsa program that president bush started in this area.
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there was wide outrage in the world about how this president has made the united states of america -- would not be able to shout over. >> i totally agree with that, lawrence, but i think this moment is a real crossroads for president obama, in particular, as far as you know, who he is on issues of counterterrorism and national security. we're not just looking at the nsa leaks, we're talking about gitmo, they're looking at record numbers of american drone strikes and a very aggressive department of justice examining press records. this all speaks to a very aggressive counterterrorism situation put in place by president obama. >> maintain -- not every single one of those -- >> maintain and expanded. >> all in reaction to an unprecedented threat that the
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united states suffered on 9/11. and so as we move -- as the distance from 9/11 moves, the connection to that threat, i think, becoming thinner for many observers out there. >> and let me just say one last thing, you precisely identified the incentive structure play. there is zero incentive structure for anyone ever to discontinue any program for precisely the reasons you say. which means if you extrapolate that out -- >> the bigger it actually is in looking at any individual in the program. and i am going to repeat, until this changes i feel tonight completely unthreatened by anything the nsa has done so far. and i'm sitting here waiting to be threatened, that when they can come up with something that is equivalent -- every phone call i ever made in my life left
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a record in a company somewhere, it always has, always will, i am so far still not yet scared by what the nsa is up to. alex wagner and chris hayes, we'll continue to have the great debate that president obama wants us to have on this, i'm sure for many nights, thank you for joining us. >> thank you, lawrence. >> coming up, there is a new possible scandal at the state department. and this one is not about talking points for a sunday morning tv show. this one involves prostitution and possibly other crimes. and in the rewrite tonight, this day in history 50 years ago in washington in alabama, in mississippi. and in boston. the places where civil rights history was made on june 11th, 1963. we're not in london, are we? no. why? apparently my debit card is.
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right now or immigration system has no credible way of dealing with the 11 million men and women in this country illegally. and yes, they broke the rules, they shouldn't be let off easy or be allowed to gain the system. but at the same time, the vast majority of individuals are not looking for trouble. they're just looking to provide for their families. if you're actually serious and sincere about fixing a broken system, this is the vehicle to
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do it. and now is the time to get it done. there is no good reason to play procedural games or engage in obstruction just to block the best chance we have had in years to address this problem. >> for once, finally, the extremists in the senate got steam-rolled by an overwhelming number of senators trying to get something done today. 84 senators, including 30 republicans voted this afternoon to proceed on a bipartisan immigration reform bill. one of the marginalized losers, senator ted cruz, offered this prayer on the senate floor. >> this bill is going to pass the senate. but as written this bill will not pass the house. >> apparently senator cruz missed the top secret briefing about immigration.
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that the speaker of the house gave this morning on tv. >> i would expect that the house bill would be to the right of where the senate is. >> what is the most important thing you will get done this year? >> i think immigration reform is probably at the top of that list. >> signed into law? >> i think by the end of the year, we could have a bill. >> one that passes the house, passes the senate, signed by the president? >> no question. >> joining me now, founding executive director of photo latino who was in the room with the president during the announcement. marie teresa, i'm getting the feeling that ted cruz has never met john boehner. >> you think so? hi, nice to be here, ted cruz was the only senator from a swing state that voted against this bill. so that is to say he is not only an outlier among the swing states but the areas where they
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need the vote in order to be in office. >> maria teresa, what did your count tell you about how the vote was going to go today? i have to tell you i was surprised it was over 80. >> you know there is a lot of work happening behind the scenes. i think the fact the president not only had labor, but business and high tech and clergy demonstrating the unity of the folks working behind the scenes to make sure it happens. it has become very clear to republicans on the senate side to make sure that it passes. by having 84 members of the senate basically vote on this, on the affirmative, they're trying to send a clear message to the house that this is a bipartisan legislation and that we need a bipartisan fix. >> i want to listen to more about what the president had to say today. because this is not just altruistic, not just that we want to help the people who have the problem. there is an economic case to be
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made. i want to listen to that. >> too often, they're forced to do what they do in a shadow economy, where shady employers can exploit them by paying less than the minimum wage, making them work without overtime, not giving them benefits. that pushes down standards for all workers. it is bad for everybody. because all the businesses that do play by the rules that hire people legally that pay them fairly, they're at a competitive disadvantage. american workers end up being at a competitive disadvantage. >> maria teresa, i have to say i have not made that point made so clearly today that economically the current situation is bad for everybody. >> it is just not sustainable, we have close to 11 million people participating in a black market that we can't regulate or tax properly. not only are they getting exploited, they're taking jobs away from american workers but are suppressing the wages, how
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do you get america workers to make sure they're accountable but also making competitive wages. on the flip side we need to address the issue of national security. we want to know who our neighbors are and that people come out of the shadows and that they can thrive in the country, and make sure that people who are doing right but the laws stay. >> maria teresa, congratulations for your successful push on the senate vote today and thank you for joining us tonight. >> thank you so much, lawrence, have a good one. >> thank you. coming up, a real possible scandal at the state department that if true, is actually worthy of the word "scandal" involving hillary clinton's security guards, and ambassador and many others, and later, ari melber is keeping his eye on the wonderful world of new jersey politics. and in the rewrite tonight, heroes and villains of the civil rights movement, jack kennedy, edgar evers and louise hicks.
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>> women didn't just start fighting for vote in the '20s, in the spotlight tonight, new allegations of a state department cover-up. nbc news has obtained documents related to ongoing investigations into eight allegations of misconduct among state department workers, contractors and even an ambassador, an internal inspector general memo from last october stated that the ambassador under investigation "routinely ditched his protective security detail in
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order to solicit sexual favors from both prostitutes and minor children." the memo also alleged that a senior state department official told diplomatic security to "cease the investigation while the ambassador remains in place." other allegations from the 2012 memo included members of secretary is clinton's protective security detail, allegedly engaging with prostitutes while abroad. there were also allegations of pedophilia, sexual assaults, extra-marital affairs that presented counterintelligence concerns, unauthorized leaking of information, work fraud, and possible underground drug ring. a november draft report from the office of the inspector general stated that inspectors identified several examples of undue influence from within
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diplomatic security and from the top floor of the state department raising concerns about the integrity of some internal investigations. however, this finding was not in the final draft, which was published this february. state department spokesperson jen sackey said the investigations are ongoing, and that the october 2012 memo had "unsubstantiated accusations in it". >> the notion that we would not vigorously pursue criminal misconduct is inaccurate. i can assure all of you that the secretary or previous secretary were presented with documented evidence of misconduct they would take appropriate action. but i'm just not going to break down individual cases. >> joining me now, david corn, washington bureau chief and an msnbc political analyst, well,
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this is actually the stuff of scandal. this is not about sunday morning talking points. if this stuff stands out -- to have substantiated, there are talking points. >> i'm using scare quotes out there, sometimes you have to wait to get a little more information as we have seen in benghazi before you really know whether something is indeed wrong, and who it affects or if it goes to the white house, or the top floor of the state department. so it may take a little while to sort that out. you know, number two, though, there are allegations here that involve the very high ranking state department officials, including one who is extremely close to hillary clinton. and the allegation is that this person intervened and helped to kill one of these investigations. now, if that is true, then that gets up to the seventh floor and
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something that hillary clinton may have to answer to and answer for. so therefore, this is the type of thing that if you look at it at the beginning it could become a problem for hillary clinton. and what do you look for in the next stages of developments of the stories inside this so-called scandal structure that we have here? >> well, i think in looking at this particular story, you have to sort of you know, i assume there is going to be reporters now who cover the state department and will talk to state department sources who may have something to stay about the whistle-blower, that could bolster the case or undermine the case. there may be good reasons why the general took out some of the stuff. you never know, there may be a lot of people who have beeves because their work is not really appreciated, and sometimes for the right reasons. no doubt darryl issa is chomping at the bit for cases to come out. through there -- but there are eight cases that are dramatic.
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>> the whistle-blower is one of eight investigators who worked on some of this material. and some of it already has an echo of truth to it in the sense we had that story about the secret service agents in south america using prostitutes. so when this comes after that and you're talking about security personnel and the state department possibly using prostitutes. that element doesn't suddenly sound like a bad plot in a tv show. >> and i hate to say this, but the accusation in the ig report and the state department was basically taint, they took things out which shouldn't be there. which seems to call for, dare i say it, another ig report. there are serious is allegations and you can't really trust darryl issa to do this in a bipartisan way. so this is a job for maybe a senate committee to look at this. >> david corn, thank you for joining us. >> my pleasure, lawrence.
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i met a turtle friend today so, you don't get that very often. it seemed like it was more than happy to have us in his home. so beautiful. avo: more travel. more options. more personal. whatever you're looking for expedia has more ways to help you find yours. >> a piece in today's "new york times," reminded us of this day, june 11th. 50 years ago, that day in history began with the intensely racist governor of alabama, george wallace, standing in the doorway of the university of alabama trying to prevent the university's first two black students from registering. but the governor's defiance was crushed by a president who knew how to use federal power.
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president kennedy nationalized the alabama national guard so that the governor had no control over them. the president had the students escorted by u.s. marshals, and the governor was legally flattened at the door by deputy united states attorney general nicholas katzenbach. >> i would ask you once again to responsibly step aside, and if you don't i am going to ensure you that the orders of the court will be enforced. >> the country was riveted by the confrontation in alabama, i was just a little boy. but i strongly remember seeing the governor stand in the doorway on tv and seeing him basically pushed aside by the power of the president. the president from boston. my boston. but i didn't remember the rest of what happened that day until it was pointed out today in
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professor joseph's op-ed piece. >> good evening, this is chad huntly reporting. >> tonight. >> it seemed only natural he should go before the american people and tell him why. the president did not limit himself to discrimination problems in the south. he hit broadside the discrimination everywhere in the country and spoke of it as a moral issue. >> professor joseph, who is the author of "dark days, black nights" from black power to barack obama calls that speech on this day 50 years ago, kennedy's finest moment. i remembered that speech when i watched it again today. and i remembered that the president was telling us in boston to not start to feel superior to white men in the doorways in the south because the plague of racism was everywhere.
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and as clear as that is now, nothing had been said like that to the american people, to all the american people by their president. the president was echoing dr. martin luther king jr. in a way that would have seemed radical just a short time earlier and surely did seem radical to many americans on june 11th, 1963, possibly even most americans. here is some of that speech that made many white americans stop and think for the very first time about what their president was telling them for the first time, was a moral issue. >> ladies, the president of the united states. >> good evening, my fellow citizens, this afternoon, following a series of threats and defiant statements, the president of alabama national guardsmen was required on the university of alabama to carry
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out the final and unequivocal order of the united states district court of the northern district of alabama, that order called for the admission of two clearly qualified young alabama residents who happened to have been born negro. that they were admitted peacefully on the campus is due in good measure of the conduct of the students of the university of alabama who met their responsibilities in a constructive way. i hope that every american, regardless of where he lives will stop and examine his conscience about this and other related incidents. this nation was founded by men of many nations and backgrounds. it was founded on the principle that all men are created equal. and that the rights of every man are diminished when the rights of one man are threatened. today, we are committed to a worldwide struggle, to promote and protect the rights of all
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who wish to be free. and when americans are sent to vietnam, we do not ask for whites only. it ought to be possible, therefore, for american students of any color to attend any public institution they select. without having to be backed up by troops. it ought to be possible for american consumers of any color to receive equal service in places of public accommodation, such as hotels and restaurants and theaters and retail stores. without being forced to resort to demonstrations in the street. and it ought to be possible for american citizens of any color to register and to vote in a free election without interference or fear of reprisal. it ought to be possible, in short, for every american to enjoy the privileges of being
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american without regard to his race, or his color. in short, every american ought to have the right to be treated as he would wish to be treated, as one would wish his children to be treated. but this is not the case. we are confronted primarily with a moral issue. it is as old as the scriptures and as clear as the american constitution. the heart of the question is whether all americans ought to be afforded equal rights and equal opportunities. whether we are going to treat our fellow americans as we want to be treated. if in america, because a man's skin is dark cannot eat lunch in a restaurant open to the public, if he cannot send his children to the best public school available, if he cannot vote for the public officials who represent him, if in short he cannot enjoy the full and free life which all of us want, then
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who among us would be content to have the color of his skin changed and stand in his place? who among us would then be content with the counsels of patience and delay? 100 years of delay have passed, since president lincoln freed the slaves, yet their heirs or grandsons are not yet freed. they're not yet freed from social or economic oppression, and yet this nation, with all its hopes will not be fully free until all of its citizens are free. this is one country, it has become one country because all of us and people who came here had an equal chance to develop their talents. we can't say to 10% of our population that you can't have that write. that your children can't have the chance to develop the talents.
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that the only way they're going to get the right is to go in the streets and demonstrate. i think we owe them and us a better country than that. therefore, i'm asking you to move ahead and require the kind of treatment which we would want ourselves, to give every child the chance to reach the limit of their talents. as i said before, not every child has the equal talent and motivation, but they should have the right to develop that talent and motivation, to make something of themselves. we have a right to expect the negro community will be responsible and to uphold the law. but they have a right to expect that the law will be fair. this is what we're talking about. and this is a matter which concerns this country and what it stands for. and in meeting it, i ask the support of all of our citizens. thank you very much.
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>> that was a friday. the weekend newspapers, especially the sunday newspapers would have been flooded with coverage of the president's speech. but coverage of the speech was overwhelmed by what happened a little after midnight that night. in jackson, mississippi. a white racist assassinated civil rights leader, medgar evers, i remember hearing about that assassination, and feeling a step forward and two steps back, that the civil rights movement suffered. edgar evers, assassinated that night. also that night in boston, the chairwoman of the boston school committee, louise day hicks was publicly confronted for the first time by the boston chapter of the naacp.
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and so was set in motion a battle over the desegregation of the boston public schools. in the president's hometown. that jack kennedy would not live to see resolved. but we do know whose side jack kennedy would have been on. >> i want to pay tribute to those citizens north and south who have been working in their communities to make life better for all. they are acting not out of a sense of legal duty, but out of a sense of human decency. like our soldiers and sailors in all parts of the world they are meeting freedoms challenged in all parts of the firing line and i salute them for their honor and for their courage.
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>> great news for democrats in new jersey, cory booker, the frontrunner for the nomination for senate has a huge 27-point lead over his likely republican opponent, steve lonigan, 54%, 27%, not so good for democrats on the gubernatorial side. the democratic endorsements are piling up for new jersey governor chris christie, today, he joined a dozen black pastors and five democratic mayors in backing chris christie's re-election. essex county is one of the most important districts in new jersey. >> this is the reason why i am supporting governor chris christie, is because what he has shown, working across the aisle, the bipartisanship, it is for real.
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>> i have watched politics in this state for most of my life. and i never thought i would see a day like this. and to be a part of it? is even more gratifying. >> chris christie's opponent has picked up one republican endorsement from spotswood mayor, nick pollicino, joining me, ari, good news and bad in new jersey for democrats today. >> lawrence o'donnell, i just want to tell you having been a part of "the last word" for years, i thought i would never see a day like today. i'm honored to be a part of it. the way chris christie talks, it is amazing, he is clearly proud of himself, proud of getting a democratic endorsement. but as you point out it is more of the fact that he is likely to win. some democrats we see in the
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state go with the winning team. >> yeah, they're just betting this guy will be here for a while. we've seen this before in other places, but not quite -- sometimes it is done very quietly and they don't become public about it. they kind of don't actually do anything, to try to help the democrat or the republican candidate, depending on which side they're defecting from. but the public defections are not something we'll probably see in other places. >> i don't actually think it is as much about bipartisanship, although i understand chris christie wants to sell that. i think it is about political power, you pointed out the other week when president obama did visit he didn't find time to meet with the democratic candidate, also not something you will see in every state, where there are competitive democrats, particularly when we got close to the election, the president in the white house, will find time to do political events, new jersey is special and special in a bad way for democrats right now.
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>> and the poll showing him with a massive lead, he has rush hot has declared, frank pallone has declared. he is just way ahead of everybody here. looks like he is just taking off like a rocket in this thing. >> yeah, i think in many ways, cory booker is a national candidate who has been in waiting for several years, by far the most nationalized mayor. you see that in his relationship with silicon valley, getting mark zuckerberg out there, to donate money that obviously students benefitted from. so it was both branding but also very tangible, very good, he has a huge on-line media presence which for many candidates as we know can be over-sold. but in his case i think he has walked the line of using social media, ultimately to focus back on his work. and that is always key. politics is local, he is an twitter telling people about how to you know, prepare for the storm and how to go to a soup kitchen, real stuff. >> ari melber gets the last word. >> thank you, lawrence.
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the fog thickens over foggy bottom. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. let me open tonight with this. something may have gone wrong at the state department. there are now disturbing allegations of serious abuses and perhaps interference in several investigations during the period hillary rodham clinton headed that department. documents obtained by nbc news that relate to an ongoing investigation involving the state department contain some disturbing allegations. an october memo cites allegations of abuse in eight cases labeled open at the time, including engaging prostitutes, pedophilia, sexual assault, unexplained shootings, unauthorized leaking of