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daily rundown" and we'll hand it off to jansing and company with chris. >> we've just finished watching the president's speech at the brandenburg gate in berlin. big news out of the speech, the president has promised to cut back america's nuclear weapons if russia will do the same. he said in 2016 america will host a nuclear conference to build support to ratify a new coalition. >> and i intend to seek negotiated cuts with russia to move beyond cold war nuclear postures. these are steps we can take to create a world of peace with justice. >> well, besides that news, the president's speech you heard it just called a smorgasbord, also largely symbolic, he said there may be no more physical walls but there are still big challenges. he talked about income equality, lgbt rights and issues of freedom and security and earlier today for the first time on the world stage the president defended the nsa programs.
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in a joint news conference with germany chancellor angela merkel. >> we know of at least 50 threats that have been averted because of this information, not just in the united states but in some cases threats here in germany. so, lives have been saved. >> now, we have really seen the administration ratchet up the defense of these programs in the last couple of days. right now fbi director robert mueller is about to testify before a senate committee hearing. as you'll recall this time yesterday there was a house hearing and we learned details about a few more terror plots that were thwarted, in part, says the administration, because of the nsa phone and internet programs. let me bring in "washington post" national political reporter and new york "daily news" bureau chief jim warren, good to see both of you. good morning. >> good to be here. >> karen, we had the president addressing the entire world
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saying the american government isn't reading the e-mails of regular germans or french, he used the word "narrow" several times. how important were his comments about the nsa to allay fears overseas? >> i think very important. you know, as i was watching that speech i was thinking, of course, the historic comparison is with john f. kennedy but i was also with barack obama when he stood almost on that exact spot in july 2008 as a presidential candidate and at that point he represented a concept. he represented ideas of change and particularly in this country's posture toward the world. now he represents a president who has to defend specific policies. and a president who felt compelled earlier this week to have to say in an interview i am not dick cheney. so, you know, it is such a contrast to see him, again, having to defend very specific policies rather than just representing an ideal. >> and yet having been there,
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karen, did you find, because a lot was written this morning would he get the same kind of warm reception that he got back then and it certainly seemed like it was a receptive and warm audience there. >> it was. it was. but, i mean, people, when we arrived in 2008, people had lined the streets the night before and they were screaming, you know, yes, we can. it was, you know, again, it was a hope as much as anything else back them. >> yeah, you know, when we talk about the nsa, jim, the president admitted today in that press conference with the german chancellor that he was a skeptic of these programs when he came into office but now from the inside he has seen what they can accomplish and he's confident that he's found this balance between security and privacy. was it important, do you think, for him to basically acknowledge that to his critics that he has made a turn? >> yeah. but i think he's already done that. i think what you saw was a very complex, absolutely fascinating juxtaposition of the candidate obama who karen traveled with
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who back then represented hope. he was someone everybody believed in, trusted, never for a second thought that somehow he would abuse government power for personal gain, which in some quarters is the view, particularly among the germans. you got to remember the germans are the ones who are most monitored of any european country by the nsa and they're very anxious about this. there is, you know, a very unfou unfortunate in german and old czech and east german, intelligence agencies which they're very aware of, but at the same time i think it's pretty notable angela merkel the chancellor and other bigtime intelligence officials in germany have gone out of their way to defuels the whole situation to essentially support obama. because just in the last weekend we learned that the german intelligence agency has poured 100 million euros into their own internet monitoring. i thought it was a really interesting juxtaposition of
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candidate obama and the hopes that he represented and the pragmatist today and someone who is the son of german immigrant and a member of a family some of who successfully fled the nazis and some that did not, you cannot help to look at someone on that side and remark of the complexity of the symbolism of it all being at brandenburg and also the complexity of the american relationship with germa germany. >> it was a remarkable morning so far. let me bring in congressman grijalva, good to see you. good morning. >> good to see you. >> the president said this morning the program has saved lives. it's the first time we've heard him use those words. you said, quote, senator obama would not have supported this program under president bush. do you think that president obama is being hypocritical or does it make sense to you that his thinking has changed, as it has, frankly, for other presidents in similar situations? >> one cannot appreciate, you
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know, the complexity and the pressure of that office. but nevertheless, the issues of privacy, the issues of civil liberties that are dear to the american people are tenets that he supported as a senator and to some extent as a candidate. so, one has to worry that, you know, taking the issue of looking in, listening in on the american people as a dragnet and as a wholesale without due process, without judicial review in the full context of the word, it's worrisome and i think the word hypocritical would be too harsh. but there is a contradiction and i think a lot of people have mentioned that as well, not just myself. >> so, what does he need to do at this point? because he would argue i think or at least supporters of the programs have argued that there are judicial review, that's what the fisa court is for. >> i think the transparency issue is critical.
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i think the reassurance to the american people that not every -- that everything is a target, that situations are target, that there's protections and due process and that we're going about it in a transparent way. i think releasing 50 incidents at that hearing was important. but, still, the scope, the volume, and the size of the effort to listen and to see what people were writing and saying, i think that's what the american people question. i think his job is accountability and transparency, and i think he can do it. >> while the president is at that historic site in front of the brandenburg gate, there's plenty going on where you are on capitol hill. let me switch gears and talk about immigration. the reform movement got good news, the much-anticipated report from the budget office concludes the gang of eight's bill would cut the deficit by $197 billion and i want to play what senator chuck schumer said about it. >> this report is a huge
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momentum boost for immigration reform. it debunks the idea that immigration reform is anything other than a boon to our economy and robs the bill's opponents of one of their last remaining arguments. >> realistically, congressman, do you think the cbo report will convince any of your republican colleagues to vote for this? >> i hope those that have been harping on the idea and mimicking the heritage report that said it was going to cost trillions of dollars to the american taxpayer, this debunks it, as the senator said. i would hope that those that have harped the loudest about the cost and about the expense to the american taxpayer will now realize that their argument has no standing. it is baseless, and it's not true. and in that sense, hopefully that will tone down the rhetoric and we can have an opportunity to have a rational, adult conversation, at least in the
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house of representatives, where we need to go with this bill. which is the real jeopardy for comprehensive reform is in the house of representative. >> let's talk about that because and you other members of the congressional caucus will meet with speaker boehner today. i want to play what he said about immigration yesterday. >> i don't see any way of bringing an immigration bill to the floor that doesn't have a majority support of republicans. >> does he mean that? are you concerned that if the mart jort of his members aren't on board that immigration might not even come to a vote? >> yeah. you have to contrast with the senate where the senate has been able to beat back amendments that were intended to kill the bill, to sabotage the bill. and in the house judiciary committee continues to follow steve king's lead and continue to do amendments to legislation that is -- has nothing to do with immigration, has much to do with criminalization. and the speaker has to understand, that the american people want this. and i would hope that as a consequence of our meeting in
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which we are saying to him how can we help to get something right done, that he will understand that the house needs to work its will and that putting legislation in front of the house, letting us work its will, i think a comprehensive package similar to the senate would stand a very good chance in the house. the speaker has to allow that to happen. >> well, we're going to wait with great interests for the results of the meeting you'll have with the speaker. congressman, thank you very much. >> very kind, appreciate it. >> congressman rohrabacher is threatening the speakership with this, the rhetoric has ratcheted up over the last several days. do you think john boehner is in trouble? >> i think that he does not have a lot of room to maneuver here. not just because of dana rohrabacher but the fact that his own re-election as speaker was a little narrower than people might have thought and so he has declared that he will not bring this bill to the floor unless it already has a majority
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of republicans on board. the so-called hastert rule for the former speaker. so, he's really got to get his own -- something here that his own party can rally behind. he cannot count on democratic votes. >> you know, jim, the politico headline today is gop support dissipating. do you think there's been a momentum shift? john thune said his office is getting calls against reform. rand paul says he's not feeling any groundswell of support here. where does this stand right now as you see it? >> well, you know, i wish it would stand where senator schumer thinks it would stand, namely, a decision that would be made almost as if it were by university of chicago, free market economists, a cost/benefit analysis. you look at a cost/benefit analysis, you know, case shut. unfortunately things now on the hill are so ideological drive ln and when it comes to the key issue of security, the whole matter when it comes to a lot of
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the republicans borders, pun intended. on the irrational, i don't see what you're going to do. i asked karen, are you going to build fences and walls to the moon? i listen to the markup of the immigration bill in the judiciary committee and there are republicans like grassley that want a 25-mile high wall i think, that's the only thing that will placate them. it will be very hard in house. >> great to have uf botyou bothk you very much. three senators are asking president obama to take more action against bashar al assad. they praised the recent actions in syria but added, quote, providing arms to the opposition alone is unlikely to shift the military balance of power against assad. we must degrade his ability to use air power and ballistic missiles against civilian populations and opposition forces in syria. this morning the president did talk about the syrian crisis and what he discussed with fellow
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leaders at the g-8 summit. >> right now we need to see an end to the bloodshed and we have to make sure that chemical weapons are not used on the ground. i thought we saw some progress at the g-8 in reaffirming the need for a transitional governing process and a u.n. investigation of the potential use of chemical weapons there. gave me a bayer aspirin. i don't ever want to have another heart attack. i'm on a regimen of bayer aspirin. [ male announcer ] be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. be proactive. see your doctor.
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afghan president hamid karzai suspended negotiations with washington today accusing the u.s. of sending mixed messages about the peace process. and within hours of the taliban opening an office for direct peace talks with the u.s., they then claimed responsibility for a rocket attack which killed four americans. president obama said this rocky
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prelude to peace talks is not unexpected. >> we had anticipated that at the outset there were going to be some areas of friction to. the it mildly in getting this thing off the ground. >> we shu point out that u.s. officials are scheduled to hold talks in doha tomorrow. i want to bring in assistant secretary of state for public affairs p.j. crowley. good morning. >> hello, chris. >> the taliban hasn't stopped fighting. they failed to renounce al qaeda or embrace afghanistan's constitution. four americans are dead today. let me play for you what georgia senator saxby chambliss said -- i'll read what he said in a statement, quote, until the taliban confirm not just in words but in action that they have renounced all terrorist activity and support, we should not reward them by participating in any reconciliation efforts.
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so, i guess the question is, what do we get out of these talks? can they work? >> well, we don't know yet. i think first of all, it's important to think of afghanistan as multidimensional chess. there's not two players there's six or more players. you've got the afghan government, the taliban and the united states on the one hand. you've got indian, pakistan, and iran on the other. even with the taliban it's an umbrella organization so you have the ashura that represents a lot of the elements in the taliban, and it's complex and to get the conversation started, you have to get the kffings started to figure out what the potential is and where this might go. >> how does that start sort of play out? tomorrow these envoys, who will they be? what will those talks sound like? >> well, they'll start off in qatar between the united states and the taliban. eventually they have to shift, you know, to afghanistan and be
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a conversation among afghans about the future of afghanistan. that's one of the unknowns here. the taliban's agenda is to replace the karzai government. whether it will negotiate with the karzai government which is what president karzai understands is vitally important, that remains to be seen. >> "the washington post's" jennifer rubin wrote about president obama's foreign policy in afghanistan this morning and i want to read part of that. she says, quote, we are leaving the battlefield, what leverage do we actually have? again, the expectation that what we have lost with hard power can be made up through soft power is shown to be nonsensical. is she right? is there no reason for the taliban to negotiate since we've got no leverage? >> well, jennifer's wrong. this is a classic insurgency that has to end politically neither the united states nor afghanistan nor the taliban will achieve their objectives through military means and the taliban strategy here is to -- is, you know, seeing that the war is going to end next year is to
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assume its political relevance and get the legitimacy and influence that goes along with that. the united states, i mean, there's a parallel here to vietnam but not the one that people think. in vietnam there was a peace agreement. we didn't stay in vietnam long enough to try to enforce that. the united states is going to have a strategic partnership with afghanistan. we're going to be around to make sure that whatever political agreement might be achieved it will be honored by all sides. >> p.j. crowley, it is always good to have you on the program. thanks. >> thank you. a car accident in los angeles has claimed the life of a friend of ours here at msnbc. award winning rolling stone writer, michael hastings was killed earlier today. "rolling stone" has said he's hard charging, unabashed and at times abrasive. and he lit a bright lamp for
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debate for the massachusetts senate where ed markey and gabriel gomez clashed before the vote next tuesday. one of the most heated moments came when gomez said he think there should be term limits and said he told that to senator john mccain. >> no, you did not. >> yes, i did. >> no, you did not. you did not tell john mccain that you don't think he belongs in the senate any more as you with praising him at that press conference. it did not happen. >> to be frank, i did tell senator john mccain he should be term limited. you wish that you were running against mitch mcconnell or newt gingrich or president ford, but the fact is you're running against me. cory booker is a prolific tweeter but now he's trying to raise money from his 1.3 million twitter followers. you can even contribute by tweet. and have you checked out treasury secretary jack liu's brand-new signature?
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the most restrictive abortion bill in a decade will
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be dead on arrival in the senate but that didn't stop republicans from taking a mostly party line vote in the house last night. the measure would ban most abortions after 20 weeks based on the medically disputed assertion that a fetus can feel pain at that stage of development. despite pleas from party officials to learn the lessons of 2012 and steer clear of these hot button social issues, some conservatives are pushing their agenda. politico describes them as the clueless caucus. >> even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that god intended to happen. >> if it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down. >> the incidents of rape resulting in pregnancy are very low. >> if you really were to question all of them, that is sort of a continuity of thought, that rape is really not so bad and that the likelihood of getting pregnant is way small. >> well, let's bring in
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democratic strategist emmy tisch sussmann and republican strategist john feehery. good morning. >> good morning. >> politico said republican party leaders described some of these conservatives as, quote, a tiny rump of ham-fisted pols with a knack for stumbling onto cable news. there's almost invariably a back-bencher in the house of representatives who is only too eager to take the win out of a conservative comeback with incendiary comments that seizes national attention. do you agree with that assessment and if so, what can party leaders do to stop it? >> republicans should have a pretty simple message for comments on rape, they're against it, and they should leave it at that. i think when this world of msnbc and the internet, politicians have to be careful with their words and i do think that republicans have to understand that they have a gender gap problem that in the last couple elections the gender gap was wide and getting wider and they
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have to have messengers that appeal to female voters. they have to do a better job of competing for those votes and they have to be smart in how they schedule the floor, they have to be smart in the things they bring up, and i think this is a challenge that i think the leadership understands. >> on the other hand, emily, do you think louise slaughter went too far with her remark that republicans think rape is really not so bad? >> it's certainly understandable where her frustration can come from. we've seen the comments in the campaign in 2012, you know, we heard from todd akin that there's legitimate rape and discussion about all these things. it's gone from being sort of fringe we remember party leaders were trying to separate themselves from his comment to really mainstream in the republican. they're bringing it for a vote on the floor even though they know it can't pass, they're passing the bill. it's almost like they are living in a tunnel they are totally tone deaf to what's going on. part of the bill said that there's only an exception for the life of the mother or increst or rape if it's reported, right? do they not just hear the
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testimonies on military sexual trauma that reports are actually going down to less than 1% when there's sexual assault? how could you possibly put that in there? >> there was an op-ed and governor bobby jindal wrote, it's time to stop the bed-wetting. we are the conservative party in america, deal with it. we have a lot of dissenting voices. so what? deal with it. republicans, hold fast, get smarter, get disciplined, get on offense and put on your big-boy pants. what about that, john? >> i think bobby jindal's a smart governor. i think he's done a good job down there in louisiana and i think he has some pretty good ideas on how to move the party forward. we got to stop looking in the back and move forward and talk about progress. it's better for us i think if we talk about economic issues. if we keep the focus on how we get this economy growing, how do we get this deficit under control. and how do we reform government. i think the reform message that jindal had in louisiana was a good message and that's something that we need to keep pound iing on.
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>> understanding, that every congressional district is different and issues are different, when you look at them in total, is this conversation going to make any difference in 2014 or is it really about the economy? >> look, i mean, that would be a real discussion but it's not just that messaging is the problem. it's that these bills they are bringing forth are actually unconstitutional. this 20-week ban they voted on in the house has been tried een level. it was tried in trent banks' state of arizona and it did not last. they are actually unconstitutional laws they are putting forward. virginia foxx said even said this bill they are putting forward is beginning to a full-scale ban on abortion in america which is unconstitutional. it's not just the messaging the that is the problem. now to one of the great mysteries of the 20th century. right now digging is under way for a third day in the search for the body of former teamsters boss jimmy hoffa.
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nbc's katy tur is live on the search. nothing so far, katy, but are investigators hopeful? >> reporter: they are still hopeful, but they are tempered. it's been two days of searching and digging and so far they've found nothing. a cadaver dog picked up on a scent but law enforcement said it was not of human remains. they'll check the area one more time just in case. they were already planning on checking that area again. they've literally been on their hands and their knees sifting through the earth trying to look for any evidence of human remains. they were led mere by a man named tony zorelli, once alleged to be an under boss himself. he said hoffa was taken here after he disappeared, beaten with a shovel and buried alive in a shallow grave and covered with cement, but after two days of searching and nothing and after a specific tip, zorelli said he's not discouraged.
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they've been searching now for two days and they haven't found anything yet. you're sure he's there? >> no question in my mind. i'm not wrong. you can bet on it. >> reporter: now, they did find concrete slabs out there. that's at least a little bit consistent with the story. we're going to have a news conference here in a couple moments with the fbi for an update and, of course, we'll let you know if anything comes out of it. >> we are looking forward to that, katy tur, thank you so much. checking the news feed this morning, attorneys in the george zimmerman murder trial are entering the next fatez of jury selection. today they'll start paring down the 40 jurors to a final group of six. he's pleaded not guilty claiming self-defense. last hour a court appearance for the cleveland man accused of kidnapping three women and holding them captive in his house for more than a decade. a judge has now set a tentative trial date of august 4th for ariel castro. but first the 52-year-old will
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have another pretrial hearing next week. castro has pleaded not guilty to more than 300 counts against him. this morning we're learning more about why an italian court has decided to retry amanda knox for the murder of mare thieredi kircher, the court said there were illogical conclusions for the way the verdicts were thrown out. she won't have to return to italy. tennis star serena williams taking heat for comments she made about a widely known rape case in ohio. two steubenville high school football players were convicted of raping a drunk 16-year-old girl. in a rolenstones interview she said she doesn't blame the victim but went on to say she shouldn't have put herself in that situation. she's 16. why was she so drunk she doesn't remember? it could have been much worse, she's lucky. brazil may send in national
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security forces to keep the peace after a second night of protests turned violent. demonstrators set fire to a police booth and a television van in city hall in sao paolo, it began for a hike in bus fares but it escalated to broader concerns. it raised concerns because next month the pope will visit brazil and not to mention they're hosting the world cup in 2014 and the olympics in 2016. chrysler shifting into reverse in its jeep recall showdown with the government. mandy drury is here with what's moving your monday. mandy, good morning. chrysler kind of relenting. >> yep. >> but they reached an agreement to scale back the recall. >> you're absolutely right on that, chris. chrysler didn't want to give into the federal regulators but they have agreed to recall some older model jeeps with fuel tanks that could rupture and cause fires in rear end collisions. the agreement also, chris, allows chrysler to avoid possible public hearings with
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witnesses provide iing details deadly crashes and they didn't want to do it so they reached an eleventh hour deal. the deal only covers 1.56 million of the 2.7 million jeeps that the government wanted repaired. chrysler does, however, say the others are safe. >> and there's some questions about the future of the fed chair, ben bernanke, after president obama's interview with charlie rose. i want to play a little clip of that. >> ben bernanke has done an outstanding job. ben bernanke's a little bit like robert mueller, the head of the fbi, where he's already stayed a lot longer than he wanted or he was supposed to. but i think he's -- >> but if he wanted to be reappointed, you would reappoint him? >> he's been an outstanding partner. >> he did not say yes there. so, are ben bernanke's days numbered? what's the buzz over there? >> well, you know, we've kind of suspected for some time now that he would be stepping down at the end of his tenure which at the end of january, 2014, but obviously these comments from
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the president really put the spotlight on who the next chairman might be and when we could get an announcement on all of that. we could get an announcement from obama in the fall. it could be sooner, in the summer. i think, you know, i've spoken to a couple of people. they doubt very much that ben bernanke would do it today, but we'll just have to wait and see. >> cnbc's mandy drury, thank you. >> thank you. more than 300 million people visit amusement parks annually, i'm guessing most of them in the summer, so chances are you might be headed to one for a vacation. here's a list of some of the coolest new coasters. the gatecoper, sandusky, you know, narrowly slides by buildings and gates. in wisconsin dells, hades 360 takes riders through an 800 foot tunnel. and full throttle takes riders around a loop. and outlaw run has the steepest drop for a wooden coaster. 162 feet.
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at this site where they're searching for the body of former t teamsters boss jimmy hoffa and they came to the microphones and said the search is over and no bodies were found. and the mystery remains elusive. vice president joe biden vowing that the fight for gun control legislation is far from over. >> we need to make sure that the voices of those we lost are the loudest ones we hear in this fight. we need to make sure that everyone in the country knows that this fight isn't over. far from it. we got a majority but not the super majority needed. we will get it. >> but with no new sponsors or votes for the background check bill plan how does gun reform move forward? joining me now the director of mayors against illegal guns, mark blaze. good morning. >> good morning. thanks for having me. >> the vice president reported to a progress report on the administration's gun control efforts, it shows 21 out of 23
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executive actions outlined by the president had been completed since january. but without the legislation would the gun control measures be considered a failure? >> not a failure. it will improve the background check system and allow government agencies to continue doing basic research about gun deaths and all of that will be very helpful, but it's far from sufficient. until the senate kind of decides to listen to the 90% of people in this country, including 74% of nra members who think that everybody should get a background check, 33 more americans will continue to be murdered every day and senators who voted no are going to have a lot of explaining to do when the next mass shooting happens. >> to that point, the vice president warned lawmakers who oppose the president's proposals that they'll pay a political price and your organization has launched its own campaign against those lawmakers including this ad against new hampshire senator kelly ayotte. >> they cite this vote.
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i looked. their vote actually weakened current gun laws making it easier for the dangerously mentally ill to get guns. the senator uses her vote for this law as an alibi to claim she's tough on crime. don't be fooled? >> do you have any indication that these ads are having an impact. >> we have lots of conversations on the hill and i think there are lots of senators who are looking for a way to be for this bill. many of the reasons they cited including senator ayotte for not supporting the bill were simply wrong and they didn't read the bill correctly or simply responding to pressure from the gun lobby. do we have 60 votes today? i don't know. manchin and toomey both nra "a" rated and our organization and lots of others are working on this every day and we'll get to 60 votes eventually and we'll get better laws. >> the question is what will the laws look like and how soon will it happen? after the president's speech i'm sure you heard connecticut's
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senator say that the five or six senators who are going to move our way aren't going to do so because of pressure from the white house, they're going to do so because of political pressure from outside groups who have millions of dollars to spend against them. is this fight basically where it was before newtown and that is it's about money and who is going to spend more? >> look, it's politics being what it is, money is part of it and the nra has owned this issue for a generation and you can kill a lot of common sense with their money. but you don't need to match them when you have 90% of the public with you, when 33 more americans die every day and when in the two years that i've had this job there have been four mass shootings, you know, senators are beginning to understand as are, you know, for example, we have a bus tour going to 25 states in 100 days actually stopping in the offices of senators who voted no to continue conveying to them that even in places like arkansas when which is a pretty red state with a strong tradition of gun ownership, almost 90% of the
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public there strongly believe that everybody ought to get a background check. as long as the public is with you and they clearly still are, i don't think you need to match the nra dollar for dollar but we'll sure hold their feet to the fire with advertisements and whatever else it takes. >> mark blaze, thanks for coming on. the tweet of the day comes from our own chuck todd. he's traveling with the president in germany. chuck tweeted out this photo writing michael jackson historians will recognize this hotel where he dangled blanket out of the window. hotel is behind press riser hoar at brandenburg gate. oh no! my mom just cleaned this place! calm down, squishy, this'll be easy to clean. [ female announcer ] swiffer wetjet pads have the scrubbing power of mr. clean magic eraser. they trap and lock away even monstrous messes to make tough cleaning a breeze. now that's clean. wow. scottie! we won! uh-huh, uh-huh. mom?!! [ female announcer ] swiffer gives cleaning a monstrous new meaning. monsters university,
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it could be a game changer in the way we treat obesity. the influential american medical association has officially designated obesity as a disease. a disease that requires medical treatment and prevention. i'm joined now by dr. emily zenay from mt. sinai hospital. good to see you, good morning.
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>> good morning. >> the ama had 20 policies related to obesity. why is it important that they're willing to call it a disease? >> well, i think it changes the paradigm of how doctors need to approach obesity and what they need to be doing not only in their offices but advocating for on a broader level and sort of the public health arena. it really forces the hand of the medical world to look at it in a new way. >> that's the upside. is there a downside as well? >> a lot of people say there are downsides. some people believe it increases stigma, doesn't decrease stigma. some people believe that it's a move, if you will, to sort of, like, force doctors to be paid for treating obesity or to increase the number of drugs that we would use to treat obesity. the fact of the matter is, we are already paying for and treating obesity whether we call it a disease or not, every
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day -- >> do you see it setting up a fight, because it could change i would think the way health insurers have to approach this? >> health insurers vj cre errs creeping towards specific treatments for obesity. i think it will push them even further. i hope what comes out of this we don't move towards medicalizing obesity in a greater way. we really try to take a more holistic approach and look at it through the lens of prevention, what can we do through a public health perspective to improve obesity on that level rather than increasing it as a medical problem. >> mayor bloomberg here in new york has been at the forefront of that. now he's trying to stop food stamp recipients from using them to buy sugary drinks, we've seen starbucks which new york already posts the calorie counts on menus, they're going to do it nationwide. are those the things that can make a difference? >> i think so. and i think getting consumers to
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understand what's at stake when they use their dollars in the grocery store to make better decisions will force everybody, the food producers, physicians, everybody, to approach it from a different perspective, consumers need to use their considerable power and they can do that when they're best educated. >> dr. emily senay, good of you to come in. thanks so much. we want to make this note about a continuing msnbc health initiative, reverend al sharpton will anchor from the clinic on july 3rd. in order for the clinics to be a success, we need your help, if you are able to donate or volunteer please go to the national association of free clinics website to make a contribution or sign up to volunteer. if you don't have insurance and you need to see a doctor, you can make an appointment. and that will. ia wrap up this hour. thomas roberts is next. >> good morning, everybody. the agenda next hour the
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republican revolt against immigration reform. even after losing latino voters in droves back in 2012, are republicans on the verge of sinking reform over border security? we'll ask senate gang of eight member bock menendez and luis gutierrez. and the tale of the irs transcri transcripts, we know what darrell issa didn't want to see about the irs scandal. our agenda panel will sound off on that one. and praying away the gay. lisa ling will join me to discuss her new special report on god, 58s, and the harm done by so-called conversion therapy. that and much more at the top of the hour.
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hi, everybody, good morning, i'm thomas roberts. topping our agenda today, republican revolt. as we speak outspoken gop critics of immigration reform are holding court on capitol hill. and they're led by iowa's steve king. these republicans, they're staging a six-hour


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