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loss today. we need a bill to fence a wall and a fence on this other border. >> they're here because they can get free stuff. >> sandra rubio says they are going to have to pay -- >> they want to blend in and it doesn't take a lot for mohammed to transform himself into miguel. >> thanks for joining us. a lot to cover this afternoon because as you just saw, the inmates are now officially running the asylum. a week of chaos for senator boehner and his troops. revolt broke out among their members and failed to get enough votes for the farm bill and the week ended with a lot of questions of who is in charge. what will happen with the immigration reform legislation and what will happen with mr. boehner, will he remain speaker? wait a second, they did get one thing done. they had a victory, once again,
voting to curb women's rights. let's start with the looming disaster for mr. boehner that is immigration reform. i'm joined by democratic congressman loretta sanchez. thank you for joining us. >> thank you, karen. a pleasure to be with you all. >> this is about the sixth time, if i'm counting correctly. where the gop bucked mr. boehner. with regard to immigration reform, what, do we really think he can get it through? at one point, there was some suggestion that maybe even too extreme, it's not extreme enough at this point for those folks in the house. >> well, i have always said during this debate that we've been having, this look, this trying to find the votes to pass an immigration reform bill that it was going to be a very, very tough lift. it's not -- mr. boehner, speaker boehner was the chairman of the
education committee when i was on education when i first came to the congress. and he certainly is a person who comes to the table and understands that work has to get done. he understands it's important for america and its future to decide to do something about who comes into our country, how they come, what we do with the people who are here. how we strengthen border security. he wants to make a deal. but, there are plenty of people in his party that find it very difficult to even begin. >> let's also a bring in republican strategist rich galen. thank you for joining us. >> thanks for having me. >> we were just talking about the prospects for immigration reform in the senate, in the house, sorry. the senate looks like it's poised to get 70 votes. the theory has been, if they can get the 70 votes in the senate, that will create pressure on the house to get the republicans to buy into it. but i don't really buy that argument. what is your thought? >> it's hard to say. as the congresswoman was just
saying, there are people in the house now that havant been there for very long. she's been there long enough to become really kind of a very knowledgeable about not just the written rules, but had actually get things done. congresswoman sanchez. but here's what i think, here's what i think, boehner has said, the speaker has said that he needs a majority of the majority. so, he needs something on the order of 117 republican votes. if the -- if a bill that gets to the floor is acceptable to the democrats, then they can get that done. >> but here's the question, though. is it going to be, is what the senate pass going to be extreme enough to get that number of republican votes in the house? >> it doesn't have to come -- the senate bill won't come to the house floor, the house bill will come to the house floor and then come to conference and they'll hassle it out. >> certainly the house has been working on a bill. i don't know if that is the bill we take up. i don't know if we take up little pieces at once from the
judiciary chairman and then we get it into rules and then they fill in the pieces at rules and bring it for a vote in the house. i don't know if they just move all those bills forward to the senate and wait for conference. >> i think at the end of the day, the question is whether or not speaker boehner is going to be able to get something through the house that then can survive conference committee that then can actually become legislation, just given the back and forth we saw this weekend. you know, congresswoman sanchez, watching some of the rhetoric and some of the language and the tone really sounded a lot like the rhetoric we heard and back in '05, '06, '07. that's when we started to see the shift to the latino voters among the democratic party. let's take a listen to what we heard on capitol hill. >> you don't get over here to become takers. come in to be a giver. >> the immigrants have less than a high school education. the idea that they're going to improve our economy and create
jobs for americans is just doesn't work. >> how many people here believe that an individual who has less than a high school education pays more in taxes than they get in government benefits? >> you know the only people who believe that? right there! right there! >> you know, congressman. that does not sound like the kind of tone where speaker boehner is going to be able to get something done. >> well, certainly. i've seen speaker boehner and i know that he can get to the deal. i have seen him on other pieces of major legislation really stand up when that was required. i don't know if that group of people you just heard are so strong and are so many that they won't entertain any sort of a deal to be done on immigration. if that's the case, then he probably can't get it done.
but i know he will work very hard and he will work with those who have been in the congress for a while who understand it's always difficult to do a major piece of historic edlegislation. >> as the congresswoman has said, until there is a bill that members can actually look at and think about and then can be whipped on both sides, there's just no way. >> the whipping operation has not been particularly successful. >> it wasn't last week. >> that was the sixth time they failed. >> at least you have some idea of which way it's going and if it looks like it's going to be close, then you start the horse trading. >> rich, here's the question. let's take a step back from this actual piece of legislation. a lot of talk about the importance of the latino vote in terms of the national election picture. i mean, some of the rhetoric that we were hearing there was extreme against fellow republicans, right? and, so, you've got that dynamic. you've also got the dynamic that some of the gop arguments have been undermined and the congressional budget shows that
deficits will decrease by $197 billion. also that a path to citizenship will boost the economy and strengthen social security. my point being is, many of these arguments have been undermined. at the same time, there seems to be a strain within the republican party that doesn't really care about the sort of national picture and the importance of the latino vote, potentially. >> well, that is true. it depends on where you are. that's why we have 435 voting districts that you, that people have to represent their people. congresswoman sanchez's district is slightly different than king's district in iowa, to be ironic about it. so, but, the question really is, how many of the, not putting aside the stridency for a moment, how many votes will the, the extreme anti-immigration group carry? i mean, i don't know anybody. i've been up here a long time, i don't know anybody that sits
around waiting around to see what steve king is going to do before they decide. this is a complicated issue and, you know, it wouldn't surprise me if this thing sort of dragged along until next march or april. congresswoman, sanchez, when the filing deadlines start to close and some of these republican members are no longer afraid of being challenged on their right. that would change the dynamic, i think. >> we have a graphic that shows some of the demographics in terms of the latino vote in this country. and i guess, you know, the thing i keep coming back to i, rich. one thing we saw coming out of the '05, '06 debate was the damage done to the republican brand was actually even harsher than john mccain, someone who had the respected latino community could overcome. it really hurt him in the 2008 election. so, i guess, you know, you've got these districts where they're jerry mndered and house members who really don't have to care about whether or not
immigration matters because they're in a safe district. as nate silver reports, you have 232 gop districts and only 40 are more than 20% hispanic. charlie cook and senator lindsey graham has said the demographic spiral. what i'm getting at here, yes, it may -- congresswoman sanchez doesn't have to care what steve ki king is going to do. but doesn't the republican party need to keep track of a, the tone and national politics if you want to get the white house back. >> sometimes you just have to do the right thing, not withstanding what the political atmosphere might be at that am minute. this is a big part of this. one thing we have to look at is that a lot of these tea party members, freshman and now sophomores are a little bit younger than the average member of the house of representatives and a lot of them may be looking ahead towards running statewide for governor, for senator, for
something. and in that case, it's not their district. they have to look at the and that is one reason that steve king decided not to run for tom harkin's seat because there is a lot of hispanics in iowa, he wasn't going to get any of them. >> congresswoman sanchez, i know you wanted to weigh in. >> i would agree with what you just said. one reason king is not running for the state senate is you have to win the entire state. and i think when people look at that, if they really believe they can be a senator or they can be a governor or be president some day, that they will understand that, you know, presidents and senators aren't going to win without the latino vote. the latino vote is really a out for grabs in many ways. we're really not, you know, stuck on a particular party. it's just that the gop has been so mean. i mean, these guys, you heard their comments are so mean it turns us off to them. >> so, rich, you'll have to talk
to some of the folks in the party, stop being mean. >> the only way to do it is a mean leroy smack to the back of the head. >> meanwhile, we'll watch how this battle unfolds and whether or not the congresswoman's faith in speaker boehner is well placed. if he'll be able to get a deal. thanks so much. >> you bet. nice being with you. >> thank you. coming up, republicans talk like they want to rewind the clock on women's rights. so, you know what, let's send it back, all the way back to middle school health class. a disrupt biology lesson is coming up next. ♪ let me tell you about the birds and the bees and the flowers in the trees ♪ ♪ the moon up above and a thing called love ♪ ♪ let me tell you about the stars in the sky ♪ [ male announcer ] this is betsy.
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>> we need to go back into the schools at a very early age, maybe at the grade school level and have a class for the young girls and have a class for the young boys and say, you know, this is what's important. this is what a father does that is maybe a little different, maybe a little bit better than the talents that a mom has a certain area and the same thing for the young girls. you know, this is what a mom does. >> that was republican congressman from georgia. dr. phil gilgren and he was suggesting that kids need to take classes on gender roles. erick erickson recently suggested that we look at biology, you know, the natural world for a lesson on the roles of men and women.
and you know what, fellows, based on all the startling inaccurate information we got from you. it's pretty clear you weren't paying attention back in high school biology class. here at "disrupt" time for a new lesson plan, '70s style. ♪ >> as different as people can be, naturally. all girls are born with a special place in their bodies where babies can grow called the uterus. >> a special place, indeed. this brings us to lesson one. birth control. >> back in my days they use -- >> no, no, mr. frees, we learned
some time ago that fda cont contraceptive are a lot more effective in preventing pregnancy. lesson two, birth control, the sequence. >> every girl has two ovaries containing thousands of microscopic egg cells. >> from what i understand from doctors, it is really rare. if it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to shut that whole thing down. >> we women are very strong and very powerful and some actually serve in the military. but alas, even with all these magical powers, we can't prevent pregnancy by just willing it to be so. rape is rape, period. no, it's not true that a woman can only get pregnant if aroused or that when rape juices don't flow and we don't get pregnant. let's move on to lesson three, the breasts. >> the soft growth of hair appears under the arm as and in the pubic area.
>> another doctor, this time oklahoma senator tom coburn once claimed that science proves women with silicone breast implants are healthier. sorry a, doctor, that one is not true either. >> final lesson, pregnancy. >> forms in the uterus to make a soft, nutritious place for a baby to grow. >> you watch a a sonogram at 15 weeks and they have movements that are purposeful. why is it so hard to think that they could feel pain? >> that was texas congressman michael burguss. he is a doctor. an obgyn nonetheless. now, guys, we know you like to, you know, but a fetus
masturbating. come on. most of the scientific establishment agrees that sensory perception doesn't develop until at least 24 weeks. a fetus was once identified doing what looked like masturbating and that was later in the pregnancy and that fetus was a female. >> being a woman is one of the things i like best about myself. i think you'll like it, too. >> better than being a boy. >> coming up, now that we know the facts, let's get into the politics. states across the country are scaling back women's basic health care and it affects you. you're watching "disrupt" on msnbc.
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this week most of the attention focused on the measure banned on the gop house. but that legislation will never become law. it won't pass in the senate and president obama has made it clear he won't sign it. but if you don't live in a state where nearly one of 700 bills related to reproductive rights has been introduced in 2013, you might not realize that it's the state measures that present the most devastating threat to women's rights. from pennsylvania to iowa to kansas to wisconsin, women's rights face a whole new round of attacks. laws targeting the regulation of abortion providers which make compliance for clinics nearly impossible. these are creating new barriers for women to exercise their legal right to abortion services. now, it's also worth noting that in many of these same states, they have high rates of teen
pregnancy and women lack access to the most basic health care. here to talk about it is ultraviolet co-founder and jess mcintosh. i just want to mention that i serve on the board of pro choice america. jess, i want to start with you because i want to talk about the different measures we're seeing at the state level. let's start with iowa because just yesterday governor terry brand gave himself unprecedented powers. >> yes, yes he did. what happened in iowa means that that governor gets to personally approve every single medicaid funded abortion, all by himself. so, it is actually kind of pro-choice. it just happens to be. which i think probably misses the mark just a little bit. but i love the way that you introed this. it is so important. we spent so much time talking about trent franks and the 20-week abortion ban.
what is insidious is what is happening in the states because those are becoming laws. these women are being affected by the stuff every day. if you're a woman in new york, you might not realize what is happening to your sisters in kansas and in ohio, which is why i urge everybody to come check out emily's list at emilyslist.org. we have fantastic women candidates running for these state legislatures and city councils and, most importantly, the governor seats. >> just because you live in a state where it's all good. if it's going on in another state, part of the strategy. it does affect the women in that state, but we also need to remember that part of the strategy is to get some of the cases to the federal level and challenge roe vuersus wade. home of none other than governor ultrasound as rachel maddow likes lik likes to call him. something like $2 million to meet new standards, which are
basically designed to make compliance impossible. it's not about medicine or health. how do you think this issue will play specifically in virginia and the governor's race. such a key state, particularly as a battleground. >> yeah, look, i don't -- i don't see it going well for them. i mean, look, they're going after as jess pointed out accurately, they're going after policy laws that have a direct impact on women's lives. they're really being awakened right now to what is going on in the states. we've been focused very heavily on the rhetorics at the national level, as you pointed out. stuff is happening in the states, particularly in virginia. it was a big blow, i think, to the republican party from the perspective of women and they're not going to stand for it any more. i think a really good example of the ways in qwhich women are really starting to rise up is what we saw in texas just a couple of days ago. you may have wanted to get to this -- >> that's okay. >> but, look, there was really
significant right under threat. women were alerted within a day and a half. >> women and men, we should say. there were men out there, too. >> that's absolutely true. 700 people from all over texas showed up to engage in a people filibuster. the lesson that we have been learning at ultraviolet since we started in 2012. when you hold people accountable and make their voice heard and defend their access to really critical health care services, in particular, they will. they will in a very big way. >> that is the kind of disruption we want to see. people were standing up and trying to make their voices heard. texas has one of the highest rates of teen pregnancy and ranks as one of the worst in terms of access to basic health care. we've seen the governor already working to cut funds for low
income women's health care, which is provided by planned parenthood. now, these trap provisions and i believe the measure actually just passed today and it may close down something like 37 clini clinics, which would leave five total in the state. i mean, when that kind -- how do you mobilize people -- in addition to showing up and, obviously, making their voices heard. what kind of things can we do to actually stop these things from happening. to prevent some of these republican governors from doing these things? >> for sure. just to add, i think virginia was a huge backfire when it came to the mandatory ultrasound bills. that's law in texas. those women already have to go through that. but i think something else that's interesting about texas, the demographics are changing and we are seeing people becoming engaged around these issues in ways that they weren't just two, three, four years ago. i think 2012 was a water shed
moment for women's issues and they turned out for democrats in historic numbers. a lot had to do with the fact that we were debating birth control that gop governments at the state level and federal level seem so bent on rolling back the rights that women and men all over the country said, wait, i thought these debates were done with my parents' generation. i didn't know we were still fighting them and they came to the front burner. so, they turned out. they joined groups like ultraviolet and emily's list and i think we'll see that pattern continue. >> i want to pend with you on this point. one thing you talk about, a lot of women saw these issues not just as an afront to kind of basic fundamental rights but to our equality and humanity. when you start questioning whether or not i can make a decision with my doctor about what medicine i take, that is kind of a more fundamental basic questioning, i think, of my
rights. i feel like that is what a lot of your members are responding to. >> we're definitely tapping into something when we launched in february of 2012 holding the foundation available. hundreds of people showed up at the foundation headquarters in dallas. what we've seen in our subsequent 40 campaigns and over 3 million actions that people have taken over the past year is that, yes, they, you know, they're deeply afraid, frankly, of republicans coming after rights that are critical to their economic and health security. but they are equally, i think, deeply offended by the attacks on the rights and they feel like we feel we are owed on our humanity. >> i hope that women and men stay engaged and pay attention when it comes to the state races we have been talking about in 2014 and federal races because it is critical and, as we know,
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resulting in pregnancy are very low. >> in a surprise turn, the house voted down the farm bill. >> what a stinging indictment for john boehner. >> i almost feel bad for john boehner at this point. >> i think the minority has been a disappointing player today. >> don't blame democrats for the loss today. yeah, you pushed my button. >> it's sad, juvenile and unprofessional and amateur hour. >> paula dean is facing new controver controversy. >> paula has said in court that she regularly used the n-word. >> which one did she use? i know it wasn't nonfat. >> we had planned to have an exclusive live interview with paula deen this morning. she's not here. >> please, forgive me. >> be careful. that is a low-cut dress. >> i'm sorry. >> i'm only flesh and blood. >> we need to abolish the irs. >> anybody want to fire some irs agents? >> god bless the tea party. >> governor palin. >> welcome back to the couch.
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their will and incentive to make the most of their lives. no, it doesn't. it feeds people. in fact, in 2011, an estimated 4.7 million people including more than 2 million children were kept out of poverty by s.n.a.p. here's congressman steven fincher argue aing why charity is a bad thing. >> the poor will always be with us. and it also says if you don't work, you don't eat. but more than that, the role of citizens of christians and of humanity is to take care of each other. but not for washington to steal for money from those and the country and give it to others in the country. >> you know, congressman, what about blessred the meek or love thy neighbor or congressman fincher and his wife received
more than $3.4 million in farm subsidies since 1999. according to the united states department of agriculture, 14 other members of congress or their families also receive farm subsidies last year, including the chair of the house agriculture committee himself frank lucas from oklahoma. joining me to break this down, mora daily, chief communication and development officer with feeding america and daniella gibbs, a vice president at the center of american progress. thanks so much for joining me, guys. >> thank you. >> after an a amendment that required recipients to prove that they're working or looking for work. that felt like that had nothing to do with farmers. it was more about the makers versus takers and deciding who's deserving or who isn't or as we heard paul ryan saying last summer, "we don't want to turn the safety net into a hammock
that lulls able-bodied people into lives of dependency and complacency. that drains them of their will and their incentive to make the most of their lives." that's what this battle really felt like this week. not about farmers. and not about whether or not we should help people who need food programs. >> exactly. it was a continuation of the war on the poor and the 47%. you know, however you want to look at it. seems like republicans in congress have a fundamental misunderstanding of what the s.n.a.p. program does and the people who are on it and the fact that they don't stay on it forever, as paul ryan is suggesting and, again, this is going to feed people. it's going to feed children. we are literally taking food out of the mouths of children so that they can give these huge subsidies to some farmers who don't need it or so they can continue their tax cuts for the wealthy. it's absolutely ridiculous. >> you know, mora, conservatives also ignore the fact that in about 60% of s.n.a.p. homes with
an able-bodied adult somebody has a job and the reality is they're not making enough to support their family. this is a very real problem, isn't it? >> it's exactly right. and not only are the majority of participants on the s.n.a.p. children, s.n.a.p. program children, but the majority of families who are receiving s.n.a.p. are living far below the poverty level. the most vulnerable citizens in america that the program is reaching and it's helping them provide food every day. >> you know, daniella, that also includes some of our military family as. i think it's roughly $100 million a year which includes active duty and that didn't sway republicans. >> not at all. >> they're so beholden to want to cut all types of programs no matter what the benefit they overlooked taking care of the military who republicans like to
claim. you have to take care of the troops, except when it comes to a program like s.n.a.p. >> how about helping them when they come. >> or that. >> a 2009 report that indicated that something like 16.7 million children were food insecure for more than half a year. talk a little bit about, i feel like sometimes in washington, the debate, people forget, the reality of what kids and families are going through and dealing with. >> hunger, including child hunger xwhung er exists in the u.s. as we enter the summer months here, it's the time when the kids are most in need. we know that more than 20 million kids each year receive school lunch when they go to school every day and when the summer hits, millions and millions of children are in search of a meal and we work very closely with our food banks
across the united states to ensure that we're providing those summer meals when kids are most at risk of hunger. >> when i worked for the new york city board of education. one of the factors, the chancellor that i would consider on a snow day was, well, if we close the school down because of the snow, that means some kids won't actually eat today and that's not the way you should decide about children's safety. you know, daniella, also proposals that would have required drug testing for welfare recipients and similar proposals we're seeing at the state level. the thing about that, it feels like it's stigmatizing people that need help but equating and literally being in need of help with an assumption that you're a criminal. that's not americans. that's not the american way. >> right. exactly. something just fundamentally wrong about asking a family who needs help putting food on the table, again, to take a drug test. so, if someone is struggling with drug abuse or drug addiction, you're going to hurt
them by taking away the food and you're going to hurt their children for the struggles they may be going through. it's not who we are as americans and i think the people who propose it should be ashamed of themselves. >> indeed, they should. some of what they don't realize they will impose the penalty on their parent, if you don't do that, that is the child who will suffer the most in that instance. if i'm not mistaken, if we don't pass this bill, we're going to go back to laws nat were passed in 1938 and 1949. that will be an interesting statement on the dysfunction of congress, if that should happen. thank you so much. >> thanks for having me. >> thank you for having us. now, what stories do you want to hear more about? find us on facebook or tweet us on msnbcdisrupt. much more ahead after this. t begins with a surprise twinge of back pain... and a choice. take up to 4 advil in a day or 2 aleve for all day relief.
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yesterday and the u.s. government unsealed three criminal charges against him, including espionage and theft of government property. each of these carries a charge, a maximum sentence of ten years. the united states has asked hong kong to detain snowden based on these charges as they seek his extradition to the united states. still believed to be hiding out in hong kong where he is at a safe house under police protection. how will the proceedings pit the united states against china, which controls hong kong? ironically, just as china asked the u.s. for more information about its spying programs, china also faced threats of retaliation for espionage and cyberattacks on american companies. with me now, steve clemens, washington editor at large for "atlantic." thank you for joining me. >> my pleasure, karen. >> we know snowden is in hong kong and that is a key piece to moving forward on the extradition. what happens next?
is this hong kong is it china? who are we dealing with on this? >> the script is very interesting and could be written a lot of different ways. we don't know the answer yet. what we do know is that edward snowden is a very, very smart guy because he's gone to one of the few places in the world where the rules regarding what he's done, what is espionage, what is slessentially whistleblowing and how does china interpret those rules. hong kong is a gray area for this. hong kong lives in a system of two, two systems with two systems of rules and everything but national security. so, his future will be determined politically. i just tweeted msnbc disrupt, in some ways guantanamo is like that for the united states. in china's case, hong kong gives it a lot of flexibility in how it aflies these rules. >> interesting. just the reports that i saw today. some disagreement between some of the officials in hong kong
and some of the officials in china as to whose jurisdiction really takes precedence here. he was a pretty smart choice. >> hong kong won't win that battle. >> no, i don't think so. >> in all cases we're getting into national security. china frumps hong kong. there is no latitude for hong kong implods a different and distinct set of rules than those with china. this will be negotiated with china. >> china, obviously, was not a part of the g-8. but they are a key to what we're trying to make happen and with the president's plans in syria. china, though, will likely follow russia. russia made it very clear at the g8, they're not budging. what is next for president obama in terms of his strategy in syria. he doesn't have most of the european leaders did not commit to doing more at the g8 summit and russia made it very clear again this week. they're going to continue with their plans. again, i think our complications
with china make it such we're not going to get them on our side. where do we go next? >> the obama white house needs to decide what it cares about most in the world. what is highest on its strategic priority list. is that iran and getting iran off its nuclear weapons course? if that's the case, then it needs to pay a price to china and a price to russia to get its support. those will be back doors that will enable iran to ease up on a lot of the pressure. is the highest priority syria? in that case, you'll walk away to some degree to the other issues. we don't have that sort of strategic map from the white house. if they're jumping in, all on one side of a syrian civil war, then we run the risk of giving china and russia an incredible amount of latitude to basically face off with us on any number of other issues. the snowden controversy with china is in part part of that because, obviously, we're challenging the chinese in many of their firms and not allowing
them to buy firms or invest in the united states because of fear of their hacking and spying on u.s. firms. so, all of this becomes coordinated. what's missing is a picture and depiction by the white house of what it cares most about in the world. that's what we need next. >> we'll get that. i want to shift gears a little bit because there was another hot spot this week in afghanistan with the taliban, you know, we were going to have peace talks. they opened an office in qatar which was seen as a positive sign. john kerry was there. here he is speaking today on the matter trying to calm things back down. let's take a listen. >> now we need to see if we can get back on track. i don't know whether that's possible or not. if there is not a decision to move forward by the taliban in short order, then we may have to consider whether or not the office has to be closed. >> steve, the question becomes, are we going to be able to move forward with the talks with the
taliban? these were meant to be u.s./taliban with karzai not participating. it's a mess. it's important, though, to getting us out of afghanistan. what happens from here? >> well, i think in successful talks you have to have situation at least on one track it may not be visible where everyone in those talks want something they're not getting. does the taliban want something they're not getting. does karzai have something? the answer to both those questions is, yes, probably. on the surface level, there is going to be a lot of staging and posturing. the taliban raised the flag, called themselves the islamic emerate of afghanistan. all in the last past years in the rule of law and the government that was established. the constitution of afghanistan that exists and, to my mind, you know, i don't want to minimize what happened, but those are negotiation as ploy and john kerry who is really throwing a lot of effort in this needs to be careful, as well, of falling into this. you are going to have the games played by both parties and the
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