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wisdom from the great dr. seuss. today was good, today was fun. tomorrow is another one. coming up is "the ed show" with ed schultz. good evening, americans, and welcome to "the ed show" live from minneapolis. let's get to work. ♪ >> one of the oldest definitions of insanity is continuing to do the same thing over and over. defund obamacare. and expecting different results. i intend to speak in opposition to obamacare. i intend to speak in support of defunding obamacare. until i am no longer able to stand. would you eat them with a fox? >> fox news. >> green eggs and ham. has some applicability as curious as it might sound, to the obamacare debate.
it's when americans tried, if they discovered they did not like green eggs and ham and they did not like obamacare either. >> you're crazy. you're crazy. >> and one of the oldest definitions of insanity is -- >> my career is over, i am making a horse's asseth of myselfeth. >> they did not like obamacare in a box with a fox in a house or with a mouse. >> will the senator yield for a question? >> i cannot yield for the purpose of a question without yielding the floor. >> what is your major malfunction, numb nut! >> save us from this train wreck. >> the train wreck that is obamacare. >> a train. a train. a train, a train. >> over and again. >> could you, would you on a train? >> this law is a train wreck. we trap ourselves by telling lies. ♪ you spin me right round baby right round ♪ >> good to have you with us tonight, folks. thanks for watching. well, they have ted cruz, and america has health care and they can't do anything about it. tonight, i pro claim myself the
liberal enforcer on health care. i have to ask, i feel like a bar bouncer and i have to throw out all the republicans and all the lies so we can do business, you know what i mean? what is this media fascination that's out there about obamacare, and what does this mean to the republican party? folks, let me tell you something. liberals across america, i'll take the liberty to speak for them. they don't give a damn about the republican party. all they care about is obamacare, and moving forward to someday having universal health care in this country. that is the mission. we need to stay focused. now, last night on this broadcast, you saw two of the smartest men on the planet when it comes to health care. former president bill clinton and president barack obama. dispelling all the lies and putting aside all of the misinformation that has been out there, an unedited, unfiltered version about what is the truth
about what's going to happen to this country and how we are moving forward. it's kind of a hope and change thing, which i'll talk about later on. but last night, what we saw was actually fascinating. when you start thinking about what this really means to our economy, to saving lives, to the younger generation, to the seniors in this country, and how we are moving forward. and if there is one thing that liberals and progressives in this country have to understand, we have to grab this moment. this is what happens when you have power. when you have power, power and authority is a hell of a thing. and if you've got oh political power, you can drive the agenda. the republicans, i think, have kind of done a better job of this over the years. but this is truly a moment where we have to recognize the crossroads. and we are going through this intersection, and we are going to deliver health care to more than 30 million people in this country who have been denied,
who have been cruelly treated in this country, and we are going to move forward. now, are you really concerned about the republican party, what it means to them? none of them have been an honest broker when it comes to health care coverage in this country. none of them have fought for the little guy. none of them have worked with president obama. so what do we have, because of this power? we are on the doorstep of change. big change in this country. there's this -- i used to have this football coach who used to say -- we have to recognize the moment. something happens in a game, a sudden change, and you've got to be able to recognize that. as a political movement in this country, progressives, you should be walking tall with big confidence. because we are on the doorstep of doing something great for this country. not little. big. great. we're going to do something in the era of obstruction. and i think as a liberal broadcaster, it is undoubtedly my job to make sure that the history books are written
correctly. these folks have done nothing but stand in the way. they -- we have health care? they have ted cruz. canadian senator ted cruz of texas has successfully made a fool of himself. that's what the republicans can be proud of. the canadian-born senator spoke against obamacare for 21 hours and 19 minutes on the senate floor. if you want to get arrogant about it, he couldn't suck it up and go the full 24 hours. it's important to point out, this was not a filibuster. there was no vote had been called on this. this was nothing more than a stunt, a big stunt for ted cruz advancing his celebrity. his ramblings included a distortedera distorted reading of green eggs and ham. absurd statements like this. >> you go to the 1940s, nazi, germany. look, we saw in britain. nevil chamberlain, who told the
british people, accept the nazis. yes, they'll dominate the continent of europe. but that's not our problem. let's appease them. why? because it can't be done. we can't possibly stand against them. and in america, there were voices that listened to that. i suspect those same pundits who say it can't be done, if had been in the 1940s, we would have been listening to them and then they would have made television. they would have gotten beyond carrier pigeons and beyond letters and they would have been on tv, and they would have been saying, you cannot defeat the germans. >> that needs no commentary whatsoever. now, it's interesting to point out that a number of republicans like john mccain have distanced themselves from ted cruz. time-out. there's no quarter for john mccain on this kind of crazy talk. it is john mccain who brought us sarah palin, which opened the doors for the likes of ted cruz.
and now he's trying to distance himself from ted cruz? i don't think so. and keep in mind that most republicans have caved to ted cruz. the vast majority of republicans in the party is on this very same page with this wacko bird. everyone seems to forget that 228 house republicans voted for cruz's plan to fund the government while defunding obamacare. how many? 228. those 228 republican congressmen, congressional members, they're no better than ted cruz. it's just that ted cruz is the one standing up doing the talking. and let's not let the republicans fool you. they're from the same flock, they're from the same ideology. they're just acting it out just a little bit differently. they're on the same page. and it's just not in the house. a lot of republicans in the senate are caving to cruz. this is what senate minority leader mitch mcconnell had to say tuesday about the house bill. >> we're moving forward to not
only invoc closure on a motion to proceed on a house passed bill that defunds obamacare, that does not raise taxes. and that respects the top line from the budget control act. cloture will be inn voekd on the bill. >> mcconnell and other members of the caucus are on the same page. they're having lunch together saying, yeah, go, teddy, go. republicans are being pretty cruel on this issue and have been for a long time. they are willing to shut down the government and hurt people to make an ideological point. they're putting everything at risk for their own political gain. they know once this law kicks in on october 1st and people start signing up, they've got six months to do it, the american people are going to love it. it's a new opportunity for a lot of people. ted cruz has admitted this. but with kind of a different choice of words.
>> on january 1, the exchanges kick in. and the subsidies kick in. once those kick in, it's going to prove almost impossible to undo obamacare. the administration's plan is very simple. get everyone addicted to the sugar so that obamacare remains a permanent feature of our society. >> oh, i love that addiction. how about you? president obama called out the senator from texas on his statement tuesday at the clinton global initiative. >> one of the major opponents, when asked, why is it you would potentially shut down the government at this point, just to block obamacare, he basically fessed up. he said, well, once, you know, consumers get hooked on having health insurance, and subsidies, then they won't want to give it up. >> oh, it gets better. data released today by the department of health and human services shows that 95% of
americans will live in states where premiums are lower than original estimates. it also shows that 95% will be able to choose between two or more health care plans. choice. freedom. ah, republicans love it. meanwhile, president obama also addressed the issue of the deficit. it's a fact, obamacare is projected to reduce the deficit. it's already doing that. and the president called out republicans on this issue. >> it is a net reduction of our deficit. the irony of those who are talking about repealing obamacare, because it's so wildly expensive is, if they actually repeal the law, it would add to the deficit. it would add to the deficit. >> how many times have you heard a certain pundit say, how's that helping change work for ya? well, guess what. there's millions of americans who are going to realize the hope. and this is real fundamental
change in the delivery of health care in this country, and it will save lives. and i'm proud to say there is one movement that is standing with it, and that's the progressive movement. and one other point that we must, i think, as liberals consume. don't be fooled. don't be fooled at all. don't let ted cruz drift too far away from the republican party, because they're all in the same corral in texas, thinking the same way. and they may try to distance themselves from ted cruz, push comes to shove, they're standing with cruz, not president obama. get your cell phones out. i want to know what you think. tonight's question. is ted cruz the new poster boy for the republican party? text a for yes, text b for no to 67622. you can always go to our blog at msn msnbc.com. we encourage you to do that. results of the poll later. for more, let me turn to our friend, senator bernie sanders, independent from vermont. senator, good to have you with
us tonight. thanks for your time. we have seen the song and dance on the senate floor. we have heard the president and the former president with the facts. but let's zero in on cruz. getting blame where i think it's not deserved. that really -- isn't he the majority for the republicans? i mean, aren't the majority of republicans right with him on these issues? your thought, senator? >> i think you're right. i think people do not appreciate how far right the republican party has gone. their view in terms of what we should do on health care is not to address the reality that 48 million are underinsured. their reality is to voucherize medicare, make massive cuts in medicaid. these are the guys who want to abolish the minimum wage. do away with the environmental protection agency. give more tax breaks to billionair billionaires. this is a very, very right wing party right now. i think the -- what everybody should know is that on their
43rd try, the republicans will not be successful in defunding obamacare. and most importantly, we are just beginning, just beginning, to catch up to the rest of the industrialized world that guarantees health care to all people as a right. and cruz is quite right. that once people begin to see that health care is a right for human beings, you know what, they like it. and they want more of it. and they do not want to endanger their children and their families and their selves when an illness comes. health care is a right. we're beginning to make some progress. >> well, there's a baseline here. there's a benchmark here. other countries that have gotten the government involved in health care and the delivery service, the people haven't rejected it. they haven't rejected it in canada, they haven't rejected it in europe. once this gets going this way, people realize the benefits of it, and we have better outcomes.
now, senator, let's kick it down the road -- go ahead, sir. if you had a comment on that. >> absolutely. even when you have in these european countries or canada, conservative governments, it never, ever occurs to them to move in the direction of america, and tell people that health care is not a right. you have to have preexisting conditions. people in those countries think that is insane. so they nibble around the edges, but where you have established national health care systems, people want it, they do not want to move in the direction of the united states. >> okay. harry reid on record saying he's going to take this defunding clause out, going to pass it, kick it back over to the house. that takes us to the shutdown and the threat of the republicans. what do you think is going to happen? >> you know, i'm not much into speculation. my guess is that at the end of the day -- >> do you think they'll really do it? >> i think they understand and some of their smart people understand it would be very, very bad for the republican party. they probably will not shut the government down. >> all right. senator, great to have you with
us tonight. i appreciate your time. bernie sanders here on "the ed show." thank you. remember to answer tonight's question there at the bottom of the screen. share your thoughts on twitter at ed show and on facebook. we want to know what you think. today, congressman keith ellison of minnesota stood with workers outside the white house looking for fair pay. tonight he's here to react to an unbelievable statement from a wall street ceo. and john bore aso tells a i'm telling you wyoming-size lie. i'm going to correct the senator tonight, being the liberal enforcer. stay with us. ♪ when i say something that wasn't true i'm asking you should i lie ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] 1.21 gigawatts. today, that's easy. ge is revolutionizing power. supercharging turbines with advanced hardware and innovative software. using data predictively to help power entire cities. so the turbines of today... will power us all... into the future.
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reporting. here are today's top trenders, voted on by you. the number three trender:major malfunction. >> the vice president has an excellent shot. he had a gun malfunction. >> no! >> i don't take it personal. i'm sure it was some flaw in the manufacturer. >> shooter, misses his target again. >> the good news is, his gun didn't work and nobody got hurt. >> vice president dick cheney, accidentally shot a man during a quail hunt at a political supporter's ranch. >> my family and i are deeply sorry for all that vice president cheney and his family have had to go through. >> don't let your kids go hunting with the vice president. >> the number two trender. impeachy keen. >> impeachment. >> i think they're getting per lilly close. >> you need to vote for the u.s. senate. >> who is going to stop obama? >> if i could write that bill instead, it would be a dream come true. >> a right winger saves the date
for an impeachment push. >> this government under obama is seeking to enslave us, to make us his prisoners. our country has been taken from us. we don't have it anymore. >> in today's top trender, bonus round. >> the government stepped up and they gave aig almost $182 billion of assistance. >> the insurance giant, aig, which received big taxpayer bailouts, it plans to pay about $165 million in bonuses. >> okay. party. bonus. >> the government was an excellent partner. >> an aig executive's insensitive comments land him in the hot seat. >> he complains about those bonuses, you liken that to lynchings in the south. >> i have a two-part question. a., are you kidding me, and b., seriously, are you frickin' kidding me? >> i think he is not a person that should be the head of that organization. so i think he needs to go. ♪ get out right now
it's the end of you and me ♪ >> let's bring in congressman keith ellison of minnesota. good to have you with us on the program tonight. i want to read to you what aig ceo told the "wall street journal" regarding bonuses the company paid executives during that bailout in 2009. he says the uproar over bonuses was intended to stir public anger, to get everybody out there with their pitch forks and their hangmen nooses and all that. sort of like what we did in the deep south decades ago, and i think it was just as bad and just as wrong. what is your reaction to that? the uproar against bonuses. he is defending the bonuses and comparing it to something of a very dark age in american history. >> so, see, lynching is when you get killed by a mob. and getting $100 million in bonuses is when you get a lot of money that you really don't deserve after arunning the
country into a ditch. they're a little different. and the fact that the ceo doesn't know that i think makes him not qualified to be a ceo. i mean, look. it is the government that charters corporations. the government says that a corporate charter is an instrument that that corporation relies on to exist. and i'm hoping that the people who are the shareholders of that company and the top management are asking themselves a very simple question, which is, is this the right guy for our company to -- is this the face of our company. i think they should tell them to go. >> is -- okay. you want him out, correct? >> yeah. i think it would be a wise move. >> okay. >> on aig's part, yeah. >> all right. now, there is still some pretty hot till gambling and speculation going on on wall street. there is no guarantees that we're not going to be going down this road again. and i've had a lot of callers to the talk show and i've talked to
numerous people that say never again will we ever go down this road to have somebody too big that we just -- we absolutely have to baking bail them out because it's too big to fail. what does this signal? what should this gentleman's attitude and the context of what he said signal to lawmakers in washington about what needs to be done about wall street? >> well, i mean, after he and people like him nearly ruined the economy, caused $17 trillion in the value of homes, unemployment, massive wreckage in the economy, he's unrepentant and feels like he was put upon because somebody asked him questions about the massive bonuses that he got. can you possibly imagine this gentleman working with us in a constructive way to make sure that the economy is working and that there are proper rules and regulations to make sure that there are not abuses and we don't take the economy again. he's leading the charge to say
that, you know, wall street should be unregulated, should not have any accountability. and should grow as big as they want and if they screwed things up, we all have got to come to bail them out. that attitude is exactly the opposite of what you would expect of somebody who was -- who was responsible for a major important american corporation, and so i think that the shareholders really need to say, is this guy our guy. and if they keep him, that's an indication. and if they get rid of him, that's also important information too. >> switching topics. you were at a rally in washington there today to fight for fair pay for workers. tell us what went on. >> well, you know, ed, you say switching topics, but it's kind of the same topic, isn't it? it's the other side of the coin. on the one side -- >> yeah, it really is. >> you know, you've got a rich ceo who got a bonus and is complaining because people asked him questions. and on the other side, you've got people saying, look, we work for federal contractors and we make less than a liveable wage.
we're making $7.25, bucks, to live on. we have no benefits. and as a matter of fact, you know, the people who own the contracting company with the federal government are making a whole lot of money, and it just makes sense that we could get an executive order from president obama that would say if you want a federal contract, you have to pay a responsible wage to the people working for you. you cannot -- >> you say want president can give an executive order that would affect wages on that level? >> yes, it could. >> you can't submit a bid unless you're going to pay workers? that's what you want him to do? >> right. you can't submit a bid unless you're going to pay a reasonable wage to your workers. you cannot get yourself wealthy by government dollars off the backs of people who are frying the chicken, cleaning up the buildings, making sure they're safe, and all that -- that people do in these federal buildings every single day. so i would stand with them. and they've got 49 members of congress and 15 members of the senate to believe -- who believe
those workers are right and deserve that executive order from the government. >> thank you, congressman keith ellison. thank you for your time tonight. still ahead, i will debunk more lies taking a frightening hold on folks across this country. it's amazing what folks believe. we'll bring you the truth. next, i'm taking your questions, "ask ed live" just ahead here on msnbc. you're watching "the ed show." stay with us. ♪ when we made our commitment to the gulf, bp had two big goals: help the gulf recover and learn from what happened so we could be a better, safer energy company. i can tell you - safety is at the heart of everything we do. we've added cutting-edge technology, like a new deepwater well cap and a state-of-the-art monitoring center, where experts watch over all drilling activity twenty-four-seven. and we're sharing what we've learned, so we can all produce energy more safely. our commitment has never been stronger.
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all right. favorite segment of the show. we love hearing from you, love hearing the questions tonight in our "ask ed live" segment. first question comes from james mills. he wants to know, is ted cruz guaranteeing the republicans will lose in the 2014 elections? well, there's no guarantee in politics, that's for sure. but i don't think that ted cruz is going to be getting a lot of invitations from fellow
republicans to stop on over for the barbecue. in fact, i think it would be wise for every democrat to tag their opponent to ted cruz and then just show the vote. because they vote align. our next question is from aaron mart martinson. what type of accolades do you think obamacare will get ten years from now? well, ten years from now, my prediction is that this country is going to be really revolutionized when it comes to health care. and we will have universal health care in america. that should be the progressive goal. i think we could be there in ten years. as far as accolades are concerned, when it comes to obamacare, you can't separate president obama from obamacare. it's very appropriately named. i think there will be a heck of a lot more than airports named after barack obama when it's all said and done. stick around. i'm jackie deangelis with
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barrasso of wyoming wants an apology. >> the president is going to be the warmup act for his -- his ambassador, if you will, or his secretary of explaining things bill clinton. so the two of them are going to be in new york trying to explain away all of the problems of the health care law. and i'm calling on president clinton to actually be honest and apologize to the people who are being hurt by the health care law. >> so he wants an apology. well, let's break down what senator barrasso wants an apology for. >> people who have part-time jobs who have had their hours cut. >> what? obamacare hasn't been fully implemented yet, but we have heard this story for months. one of his favorite bullet points. in order to skirt the mandate requiring businesses with 50 or more workers to offer health insurance, employers have been cutting hours. let's be absolutely clear.
this is the employers' decision. this is freedom. this isn't the law's decision. there may be a trend, but economists have said there's no empirical evidence hiring practices relate to concerns over benefits. republicans have never cared about workers, especially part-time workers. and take notice, republicans have never been advocates of increasing the minimum wage. here's more. >> spouses who have lost -- who have received work -- who have received insurance through work, who are now going to be cut off of those insurance policies. >> again, another bullet point. employers like u.p.s. have decided they're no longer going to cover employees' spouses. they don't want to pay the fees. this isn't just a symptom of obamacare. because in 2012, 20% of companies in this country had policies to discourage spouses from joining their health care
plan. sometimes by adding surcharges averaging $100 a month or more. now, i never heard republicans complain then, and here's another bullet point. >> the young people who are being asked to pay a lot more for health insurance, many -- in many cases insurance they don't need, they don't want, they can't afford, even with the subsidies they're not going to be able to afford them. but they're being forced to do that. >> that's a great one right there. did you know that young people don't want health insurance? young adults are going to enroll in health plans when there are affordable options on the table. republicans like senator barrasso are ignoring the fact that most young people, they already get health care coverage from their employees. in fact, 64% of eligible young adults enroll in employee health care plans. which means they already are paying the same higher premiums as co-workers, much older than they are.
that's what's so beautiful about this. and that's through the private sector. here's another bullet point. >> also apologize to the union members who believed the president when he said if you like what you have, you can keep it and your insurance rates will come down. >> really? here's the bottom line. unions are not against obamacare. they are not. do they have concerns? yes, they do. their only concern is they want to protect negotiated benefits and they don't want to see their members taxed for something they have already negotiated. well, that's the cadillac plan. the president talked about that yesterday. that's something that's going to have to be worked out. but none of the unions want to deep six health care because of this. this is a minor deal that's going to get dealt with. but barrasso, not one to let fake filibuster leader, ted cruz, have the grandstanding glory, closed with this bullet point. >> none of these have come true, so i hope with both presidents
together they level with the american people apologize for the damage they have caused. >> well, let's level with the american people. let's bring in our "real talk" panel tonight, james peterson, joan walsh, and dr. kory aber, professor at lsu's health sciences center. this is absolutely amazing. the white house is truly on the offensive right now with the facts. in fact, the white house tweeted out earlier today, fact, thanks to obamacare, working families making $50,000 can get health insurance for less than $100 a month. joan walsh, what does this mean? this is cold cash, telling the american people yesterday that health care is going to be a lower cost than their cell phone bill. i thought the president was brilliant. but these kinds of numbers. can they win over people? >> eventually they're going to win over people. it's going to be implemented they'll win over people, ed and that's what the republicans are afraid.
in the meantime, we're seeing an assault. john barrasso is a doctor and for him to come out and basically lie about what this program will do is just outrageous and shows us ted cruz went to harvard law school. you can have some pretty stupid people coming out of institutions of higher education who think they're very smart. and the audacity to speak that way about these two democratic presidents and ask for an apology, it's the lack of respect this president has gotten from day one. >> dr. aber, you take issue with senator barrasso and what he said? >> these guys are making it very easy for me now, with barrasso and his lies and cruz with the green eggs and ham, think about this. any group that uses this much time, energy and money to come up with lies and diversions, they have to understand that this law provides a lot of value to the american people. why else would they have to try so hard to convince americans otherwise? it's laughable, and guess what, it's going to be shoved down their throat, and they're going to get on the rolls and get
their health insurance for obamacare too, they just don't want to tell anybody yet. >> now, let me tell you what they're doing today. anti obamacare ads popping up all over the place. but the plan before -- before you can play a video on youtube, clearly they're going after the kids. they're up in times square, all over tv. it's all misinformation and scare tactics. and the fact that these ads are coming up from the heritage foundation show that they are -- i think demographically going after who they think is going to be the real key in all of this. dr. peterson, you're in a college classroom. what are the kids saying? and what do you make of this direct attack on younger americans from the heritage foundation, they're targeting where they want to get their message. >> absolutely. well, so college students still have a lot of questions about affordable health care. but i think millennials in general, ed, are deeply invested in things about affordable care
that we're not really talking about, with i is equal justice in this country for people who maybe can't afford it, will be able to now come into the system. all of the preventative measures here and those that are free, particularly things like mammograms, contraception, those things matter to millennials, both men and women and understand the shift towards preventative medicine and preventative health care is very important in terms of longevity. what you're seeing on the right and of the critics of the program right now is a desperate attempt to try to sabotage this one particular phase of it. right? because they've got to get young people into the system, just like any other insurance system, you have to have balance across the sort of risk propositions in order for the system to actually work. that's why you need younger, healthy folk in order for this system to work. and young people know that, ed. and the ads that target them, i think, are only going to make them respond in a more robust manner. >> joan walsh, bill clinton talked about that yesterday. almost making it sound as if young people are going to be the key to all of this. what about what you saw yesterday, what the country saw
yesterday? these two powerful men, influential, and well-educated on the issues. laying it out there on the platform. does president obama need to do more of this, joan? >> he needs to do more of it. he has been doing a lot of it, ed. i give him credit, a lot of times the media isn't paying attention. but he's out there doing it. i think that he's doing a lot of work with constituency groups and groups like planned parenthood are out there, telling young people what this means. young women have always wanted, have always needed health care, or perhaps a little bit more than young men do. and, you know, as dr. peterson said, contraception without a co-pay. the ability to have screening and preventative care. young men need it too. they're working to get young men in. but this is such a fallacy that young people don't care about this. they care, they worry, they can't afford it. now they can afford it. >> james peterson, joan walsh, dr. kory hebert, thanks for being a great resource for us. >> thank you. our myth-busting does not
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welcome back to "the ed show." this is the story for the folks who take a shower after work. in a few days, millions of americans are going to have access to bert and affordable health care. but conservatives have using tactic does scare people away from obamacare. here's our new friend at foxes and friends, elisabeth hassle beck's most recent scare tactic. >> today we have a special guest with us. she is actually a, her breast
cancer is in remission. fantastic news. but you say if you were diagnosed a year from now your story might be different based upon the care that is going to be provided by obamacare, correct? >> they really will. obamacare takes a disproportionate hit on can saer patients. and if you look at breast cancer, one out of eight win dyi -- women diagnosed with it. obamacare has panels and task forces which have changed the very recommendations. >> absolute pab lum garbage and lies. next week, i will show you the different plans and options that you can get into that will offer the procedure for every disease that you might have or come across. look, i am really, really happy that that woman has overcome cancer. our family has been there, and
we have done that. this is serious stuff. but here's the misinformation in all of this. here is the truth in all of this. if you're against obamacare, you're against 30 million americans getting life saving health care because it would exclude people with can; against pre-existing conditions, against young adults, against preventive care that can catch cancer like including annual mammograms. fox and friends, they have no boundaries when it come does lying and propping people up there that say what they want to hear. it's the stories of survivors, but it is not obamacare getting in the way of a successful story. congressman elijah cummins joins me along with aqua lynn laurie.
congressman thank you for helping us out with this. tell your story tonight. tell your story. how does obamacare help you? >> absolutely. i have so thankful. when i was a freshman in college, i fell ill, suddenly ill. i had a stroke, lost my speech, lost feeling in half my body. by the time they figured out what had happened, i had to have open heart surgery and a valve replacement. i went on through life, did everything i was supposed to do. i graduated. i went to work for a company that had great health insurance. i then decided you know what, it's time to go back to business school. i want to start my own birks achieve the american dream. i did all that. i started my business. i got sick and i was not on a corporate plan anymore and my insurance company dropped me after i'd been ill. $50,000 in bills later within my first year in business, i was speechless. i didn't know what else to do. it was extremely difficult for me. i wish obamacare and/or the
affordable care act ha been there for me. because the insurance wouldn't have had the opportunity to do that kind of thing to me or to anyone who wanted to pursue their dreams and try to create their own business. >> congressman, what's your reaction to the lies you're hearing in this story? >> i got to tell you, ed, it's really upsetting. and when i hear people like aqua lynn, and i'm so glad she's come forward, the things she just talked about, those are pre-existing conditions. and those are the things that would cause folks not to be able to get insurance, but the rest of the story is that she was able to take advantage of the program, when you have a pre-existing condition during this period before open enrollment, she has insurance now. unfortunately, a few months ago, she suffered a heart attack. so she has that insurance. but that's only because of the affordable care act. so when i hear people like
senator cruz over there in the senate doing this false filibuster, what he's doing is really playing with people's lives unfortunately, and i wish he would go down to texas where you've got one out of every four persons with no insurance, and tell them that. because see, this is a real life story of somebody whose life is saved because of this. >> and congressman. let me ask you this, directly. from the story that fox had on, does obamacare discriminate against people with canister and make it harder for recovery? >> absolutely not. as a matter of fact, they talked about how the obamacare was some kind of death panel. that's that old stuff. what we've done in the affordable care act is taken the folks who were dealing with the death panels with the insurance companies and put more control into the hands of the patient. and that's so important, ed. and they have to at least be
honest with the american public. you don't mind arguing, but you want honesty and integrity. >> aqua lynn, let me ask you. what's your response to thousand has been reported when you know the truth? >> it burns me up. i'm appalled at what i hear. and i'm even more upset that there aren't more voices like mine. there are millions of people who have gone through things like this. and i call it like silent screams out there where no one has been abe to -- they haven't been heard before. sometimes they can't. they're too sick. they're unable to actually fight back. i actually have the tenacity, and i'm a pretty fired person. i'm going to fight back, and i'm going to keep fighting until i can't fight any more. >> it's almost like a pr fight at this point. but october first is coming. in the next six months, i think we're going to see some revolutionary change and
opportunity in this country. congressman cummings, and aqua lynn, thank you for join being us. reverend al sharpton starts right now. how are you? >> great. thank you, ed. and thanks to you for tuning in. i'm live tonight from chicago. tonight's lead, gop crackup. ted cruz's 21 hour anti-obamacare clown show ended today. and then an amazing thing happened on that same senate floor. a clash between the old and the new republican party. the two broke out, courtesy of senator john mccain, who's no friend of president obama's. mccain's message to ted cruz and other radical right-wingers, when it comes to obamacare, get
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