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>> there two million people behind bars in america. we open the gates. lock up. >> i'm not disappointed in anything i've done. i made the decisions that i have made. you have to be a strong-minded individual. >> i have seen staff assaulted. i have seen staff die. >> i lot of over a pint and a half of blood. the doctor said i don't know how much more you could have taken. >> i wish i could touch them and
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hug them but it's better than nothing. >> i shot a man and i burned him up in a car after i shot him. i got to be here until i die. >> with my retirement pending, i was in jail for having taken someone's life. >> the day of an execution the entire facility goes on lockdown. if there is no last second appeals, the offender is advised that the execution is to commence. >> i don't think my mother ever thought that i would be executed. >> the oldest in the state of indiana is the prison near lake michigan. for years, isp had a reputation as one of the toughest in the state. as you are about to see in the
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next hour new policies and philosophies are trying to make this a place where history won't repeat itself. fortressed behind a 40-foot high wall that stretches a mile long is a highly secure city known as indiana state prison. originally built to hold prisoners in the civil war, isp has a history of housing some of the most serious criminals. >> the number one charge at this facility is murder. approximately 70% of the offenders are housed here for taking the life of another human being. >> while the majority committed violent crimes, the prison has worked hard to create a safe environment for both staff and inmates. one improvement was the administrative segregation unit.
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>> we had fights and stabbings and we had administrative segregation and isolated the ones that were doing all of this. after that we stopped a lot of assaults and everything else. we had the assaults on the disciplinary segregation unit but it's down about 85% in population. they are allowed one hour a day and the rest of the 250i78 they are confined to their cells. >> sitting in the cell for years and years will mess your back up. the steel bed and through the years people jump up and down on them and it makes them uneven and it will give you back problems for the rest of your life. >> convicted murder and attempted murder he was given a 40-year sentence and he spent more than 11 years in adseg.
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>> it's challenging being locked up. because you have you have the opportunity to be still and decide what you want the rest of your life to look like. it's boring and it's cold and it's lonely. it's not a fun place to be. >> in adseg, food books, legal materials and even spiritual guidance are delivered to the cells. >> i am just going to get out of here and i won't bother you anymore. he routinely visited the men, but must wear a stab vest at all times. >> i come out and talk to the men, any that want to talk to me.
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i will pray for them and be with them for a while. have you taken a look at that book yet? i don't want it back unless you are finished. >> i read it about halfway. >> good seeing you. i will pick up the book next time. see you later. i'm in here 23 1/2 hours of the day. it's hard. you see the conditions of the cells. i need all the help i can get. >> serving 26 years for robbery, he was sent to adseg for assaulting another inmate. >> i got into a fight. i have a problem with child molesters. i don't like them around me. i don't want them near me. i don't want them in this prison. as far as i'm concerned, they
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can die. when they get around me and start talking and every time they say that i'm going to smash them. he must serve time in the idu. in this highly secure cellblock, offenders have fewer privileges and no contact with each other. >> it's like the jail inside the prison. they are not allowed to have hot stuff or anything they can cook with. they have limited property they are allowed to have. any time they come out, they have to be restrained. the offenders are the most violent in the prison. at any time they might try to reach out and stab you through the bars. if you are on the cat walk, they have a homemade weapon they could stab you. they could slip the handcuffs and assault you that way.
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>> nicholas was sentenced to one year in the maximum amount of time. >> they need to be subject to an outside hospital. i was set up here. i'm not disappointed in anything i have done. i made the decisions i made. when you are caged like animals for 23 hours a day and food of poor quality, there is not enough of us to keep us full and that's how we live our lives. >> up next -- >> my life almost ended upstairs. it was just that easy. within seconds your life can change. >> an officer returns to the scene of a brutal attack that almost killed her. and later, we will take you inside isp's death row. >> this is the holding area for
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65% of the people are custody officers that work with offenders. most armed only with handcuffs, a can of mace and remote radio. >> what's the biggest challenge? >> making it back outside. >> all aspects behind the wall can be dangerous. it's how you property yourself to the offenders. >> we're ready. >> run this out. >> these guys will not give us a lick of respect unless we respect them first. >> we treat them like men and human beings. i go out of my way not to know what crime they are in here not to know the crime they are in
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here for. >> it's a delicate balancing act. >> you can't be their buddy tomorrow and be hard on them the next time. do your job not to be super cop. you have to do your job. >> how are you doing? going good? >> yeah. >> the lieutenant runnings cecil house. >> we have 386 offenders here. i have been here 13 years. i spent half of my time in this cell house from an officer to a sergeant to a lieutenant. i said if you can run this cell house, you can run anything. how are you in. >> station out of trouble? >> you are making your hollywood debut. >> sorry that what it is? >> my secret is respect,
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communication, talking to these guys like men. >> if i don't have the answer i will have the answer for them. fights and stabbings and medical emergencies and me i have never been assaulted. >> lieutenant chris was one of the first to work at indiana state prison. a veteran of 16 year he was promoted 20 become the first female lieutenant at the facility. >> the only place a female could work when i came in was in front of gate three. the only other females were medical staff at that time and with the change of population and the scheme attics we started to work our way behind the walls. a lot of females quit when they found out they had to go in. i was one of the lucky ones. i joined the canine unit and by the time they opened it up for
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us, most of the fellahs knew me already. i wasn't the strange oddity coming inside. >> it's all in internal affairs hands while you are on key lock. all in internal affairs. i need you to lose the sheet and the post offs off the back wall. >> acceptance by staff and inmates is a hard thing to earn. respect comes quicker than it does with males. a lot is ego. >> that extra shelf you got going is a no-no, okay? you have 20 sense the environment. i have seen staff assaulted and they can die.
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nobody else. >> karen was assaulted and nearly died. today is her first day back behind the walls of the cell house. karen started work at the prison in 1997. there is not a lot of jobs. i had to find a job that could pay the bills. an important part of her job was securing the inmates back in the cells called rolling of the bar, a rocking device left over from an earlier era. >> that day they had run late. go on your cell. if you miss, you know it happens. i figured all of them would be in. i rolled the bar. bigger than anything.
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# the last cell. i said just go in your cell. i never had an incident and crosswords with him. he kept slow walking. this was totally out of the form. at that time a sick feeling overcomes you and you think wow. something is not right. i called for the sergeant on the radio and he said it will be a minute. i remember going down and i don't remember the impact of
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hitting the ground. park he was up against the expanded metal and even in her head and stomach, she tried to get to her kidneys. another officer on the unit had come up the back stair well and seen an incident and came to her aid. he broke my jaw and it was stitches in two places. he kicked the skin from my skull. i lot of over a pint and a half of blood that day. the doctor said i don't know how much more you could have taken. had he kicked you one more time he could have killed you. without a doubt you could have died.
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there you go. safe and sound. you want my chair some sit down. there you go. >> one of the first things she said is why me? why did it happen? i didn't have the answers for her. that is really difficult when you can't answer a fellow staff member why.
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>> the officer monitors the trucks that deliver food. the inmate that attacked her faces aggravated battery charges and moved to another facility. >> the only contact i had was with the pdr officers and that's it. i only have contact with personnel. i never have offender contact. >> i have small children and you have to overcome things. i had to come back to show them that some day you have to face your fears and you may be scared to death. >> up next -- the harsh price one inmate pays for breaking the rules. >> i wish i could touch and hug them. it was better than nothing.
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# isp's department of internal
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affairs department. >> what we have is we gathered intelligence with the phone system that indicates several visitors may be in fact in possession of narcotics or other contraband and they are through a shake down area and they want to confront the individuals. the first suspect is being searched right now. >> the ion scan is a small vacuum-like machine that screens for drugs by collecting and identifying particles from clothing. >> this is the second suspect. he also is being scanned at this time. we scan the hands and basically the arms the collar and anywhere they might reach with the hands after handling the contraband. he is apprehensive about what's going on. you can see she is standing with her armed crossed and closed in. he did the same thing.
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that allows you to make a search and look at the material they have on themselves. we have to let them leave. the sment will bar them from ever visiting. the evidence we had is so strong. >> instead of going through the more thorough search. the whole picture put together. obviously we don't have -- i
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can't prove that. that's my gut feeling. for those who use tobacco, the consequences are severe. >> jerry bonds serving 85 years for holding up a liquor store and killing the owner is now on permanent non-contact visits with his family. >> had hurts dearly. to come up here and know like my daughter is there. i have one that's 11 and one 12. how can tell you guys on to be good and every time you see me i can't have this because i make trouble. they are like well you are a hypocrite, dad. you are telling me to be good and you are not being good. my father i never met a man like him. that's the rock of the family.
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i have to prove we are changing. if i could be half the man he is i would be a better person. i'm feeling so bad. i wish i could touch them and hug them. it's better than nothing. >> how y'all doing?
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you are looking cute. you get your present? >> the hardest part is seeing him behind the glass and he's in here and stuff. i want him to get out. >> the kids can't hug him. he is hurting his kids. i can stand the hurt but sometimes kids can't. >> thanks for bringing hem up for me dad. >> he ran into problems. >> all right. love you. love you too, dad. hey, mom. doing all right. >> we come up here with a contract. to hold his hand and touch his face. it's so hurtful. >> i haven't seen you in what
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15 months? you been good? you still doing good in school? you get here this morning? >> uh-huh? >> let me see you. let me see your smile. i ain't seen you in a while. >> i don't want him to be here. i want him to learn his lesson so when he comes home. >> we love him, but it will be easier on us when we come home. >> we are hoping this is the last time they had to come here like this to see you behind the glass. it's not a good feeling. >> up next they will have to deal with knowing you only have
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here's what's happening. they confirm that two american soldiers were killed when a suicide bomber struck the vehicle early this week. in los angeles, police arrested at least 130 ferguson protesters who refused to disburse on the way to the city's staples center. despite the threat by protesters in new york to disrupt the macy's thanksgiving day parade there were no reports of issues. happy thanksgiving everybody. >> indiana state prison is the only facility in the state with an execution chamber. not every inmate in indiana is
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on death row, but many of them could be put to death there. the death penalty was reinstated in 1977. nearly two dozen men are housed on death row. how are you doing? let me know if you need anything. we get the impression they are total monsters but there is a chance that every individual can do something they are not proud of or regret very much. the thing i have to deal with is knowing you only have 12 or 18 hours to live. that's an awesome thing you have on your mind. measures about 10 feet by 12 feet. this section of the prison operates like a segregation unit. >> a day consists of you being in the cell for 22 1/2 hours.
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they get an hour for recreation and after that is over. >> each week the superintendent visits face-to-face with every offender in the unit. # they tend to be in developmental homes. by doing that we get a chance to see how they are doing. that's really important. >> they cope with the heavy sentences. the superintendent approved a feline adoption program. >> you have everything in your cell?
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he was put on death row for 23 years. >> 23 years ago. >> i thought i was going to be dead before five years. instead i have been here for 20 years. i can't really take her outside, but she knows i love her and it's a trade off. i never have been responsible for anybody but me in my whole life. i have to care for her and she loves me and i love her. i think that's pretty cool. >> the petty thing that when you have this stress level, you
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don't need those types of things. a lot of times you get them anyway. you have to find a way to deal with them. everybody doles with them in a different way. some guys exercise and some watch and some read and do crossword puzzles. it depends on whatever. we don't have a lot we can do in here. this is our world, more or less. >> eric was convicted of shooting and killing his estranged wife her brother, and sister in law. >> i was into methamphetamine pretty heavy at the time and one thing led to another and here i sit. i think that my kids don't want to deal with it at all. my mom is just now coming to grips with the situation. >> for inmates on death row, their day of execution is never far from their minds. >> the day of an execution, the
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general population goes to breakfast and after that the entire facility goes on lockdown. at 5:00 they will be seen by medical last time and he will say goodbye to his family and friends and loved ones and he will be walked over to the death chamber. this is the holding area for the condemned offender. # he will be placed in this cell and have access to a spiritual adviser and access to television and to a telephone so he can make any last phone calls he needs to make leading up to the execution. this is where the visitors are brought to witness the execution shortly after midnight. the blinds are closed and when the team is ready, the blinds will be opened and the offender will be allowed to acknowledge the witnesses and they will
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proceed. par. >> the offender will be placed on the gurney and the restraints will be taken off and he will be put in leather restraints as well as me can tal restraints. they will insert ivs in both of his arms. the offender is asked for his final words which are audio recorded and written down. if there is no last second appeals, they are advised that the execution is to commence shortly. he is told to look over and acknowledge his witnesses. after he has done that the order for the execution to commence begins. >> denial with the death penalty. i don't think my mother ever thought i would be executed. you can't say that. >> up next -- >> i have been in the business
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26 years and i had offenders me boss i will never be back. this is the last time i'm doing time. they said it to themselves many times. >> how they try to cut down on repeat offenders. >> what did you do to prepare for your release? boy: once upon a time, there was a nice house that lived with a family. one day, it started to rain. the house tried to keep out all the water, but water got inside and ruined everybody's everythings. the house thought she let the family down. they just didn't think it could happen. they told the house they would take better care of her... always. announcer: protect what matters. get flood insurance.
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make the process as easy as it can be. >> fill this out, sir. >> this convicted robber was released from another facility for crimes that include felony possession of a firearm and conspiracy to escape. he will spend the next 16 months at indiana state. >> sad to say i was out only nine months. got into drugs and this is where i find myself back in another maximum security facility again. >> smith is not alone. a large number of inmates brought in had served time. >> i have been in this business 26 years. i had offenders me boss, i will never be back. this is the last time i'm doing time. unfortunately they tuesday to themselves many times. when they get out of an institutional setting like the prison we are in today, there is a true barrier in front of them. >> to cut down on the number of
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offenders who end up back behind bars and the state mandated an intensive reinterview program. >> it's about preparing individuals to return to the community. i had offenders that were the toughest of convicts and well lip quivers when they are getting ready to go home because they are fearful of the transition. they have the structure of life that you and i are not accustomed to. they know when to process everything in their day. in the free world, they are choices. we have to teach them to make good choices. >> reinterview courses are mandatoryy and begin two years before an inmate's release date. >> we will separate them from general population and put them in a separate housing unit and give them intensive classes on life skills and cognitive thinking. >> you can expect changes when
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you get out of here. >> society itself has probably changed a lot. buildings and people itself. you never know what you will run into when you get out. >> one of the main things you have to accept is the terms. >> the people are going to help you instead of people that will help you to get back here. >> today we are going to interview you for the position. >> mock job interviews reveal a harsh reality of making it in the real world. >> what did you do in prison to prepare for your release? >> i had to look inside myself and decide what i wanted out of
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life. i went through steps and anger management training. i decided what i want for myself. >> ricky collins appears confident until it's the subject of his incarceration. >> i was incarcerated for robbery for years. >> where? >> i was incarcerated in several places throughout indiana. >> they tend to look down a lot. i tell them whatever you did, whatever crime you committed, you have done your time. i want to you lift your head up and know you have nothing to be ashamed of. you have done your time. that's why we do this. it's important they know that. >> at isp, self improvement is also available to those whose release dates are deakates away.
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>> i tell my mother don't think of me as being in prison. i'm here trying to better myself. she is worried about me because i am a sex offender and it's hard on sex offenders in this environment. i got a class a felony child molestation. we had sex one time and she came up pregnant and had a baby. i turned myself in. i'm 35. i will be 56 if i do the whole bit. i made the worst mistake of my life. i made the wrong decision. i'm paying for it. >> all right. last week we did less than six. >> mark received psychological counselling and attends anger management classes. >> i strike out first being violated. it gets me in a lot of trouble.
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# >> you do whatever you needed to do. >> i am more than willing to be in all the programs i can find. do whatever i have to do to be part of my family's life again. make up for the wrong i that done. >> prison saved my life. i hate to say that but prison saved my life. >> how you doin'? >> joseph is serving a 60-year sentence for a murder he committed as a teenager. when he entered isp, he wound up in d cell house, a housing unit with a tough reputation. >> they said you need to come out of d. come out of d. i was so wired, i felt like coming out and going to rec was the thing to do. a couple of the old school brothers kind of cornered me saying we see potential in you. it seems like you are leading the pack.
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they said you are going to school. you are going to go to school. you are going to quit running around doing this and that. i was forced to go to school. i hate to say that but they forced me. they can't even get in school. the first day was hard. nothing to have something to do with him. they could explain something to me. i didn't have to read the books. >> he passed the ged. >> first time i took it, i passed. they gave me an option. you can take a vocational trade or you can take 90 days free time. just kick back for 90 days and you don't have to do nothing or go to college. college. i ain't never heard of that.
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not where i'm from. i signed up for college. >> he now tutors other inmates. >> it that person that you are trying to teach does not top the learn and he is stubborn guys like me come in. i was stubborn and stonewalled. i know what it feels like. i am willing to endure all the hardships to get your ged or whatever it is that you are trying to get. if you are trying to bring your grades up, that's what i'm here for. anything less than that you can keep the change. >> up next -- >> with my retirement spending i was in jail for having taken someone's life. >> a preacher convicted of murder finds a new congregation at isp. >> brothers we need to know today that change is possible. ♪ ah, push it. ♪ ♪ ♪ push it. ♪ ♪ p...push it real good! ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ow! ♪
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while an average of to ten offenders are released per week the majority will spend the rest of their lives here. willard lucas spent 29 years here. >> i am here for kidnap and murder. i caught a guy in bed with my old lady and i kind of hurt him. i got to be here until i die. i got double life. i got to stay here until i die. and hopefully i can stay where i'm at. there is a lot when you are doing life. you won't never get out. i'm one of them. >> calvin holmes has been in prison for 25 years. >> i have a total of 102 years
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and two sentences. i was charged with bank robbery and murder first-degree murder and habitual criminal in the end. i shot a man and i burned him up in a car after i shot him. >> as a younger man, holmes tried to escape from prison twice. >> i was 26 years old and was determined i didn't want to die in these walls. now i'm 51. i will be 52 this year. age and time slows a person down. changes perspective and attitude. i have come to accept the fact that after several attempts that i can make my life hard in here or i can make it easy. now i look in the mirror and i don't have the same i don't care attitude. i find in the end i do care. it matters what you do in here and out there. >> holmes eventually earned the right to live in one of the two minimum security dormitories. >> in here you look around and you find no bars.
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you have windows like on the street. it's a state of mind. you look at the bars 24-7. you can't never get away from the fact that you are locked up. it's a lot better. you have a lot more freedom of movement. i'm going to die in here and once i come to realize that i slow down on the things i was doing. i try not to dwell on what's on the other side of the walls. if i do i get to thinking about my freedom. # >> you need to know that change is possible. i said the word god is true. >> facing years behind bars one way that inmates try to find strength is through their faith.
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one of the most popular preachers is also an inmate. >> how many brought your bible with you? let's pray together. heavenly father thank you for hearing me in the jail of jesus. >> i started preaching when i was about 15. by the time i was 17 i was preaching at a church in mineral wells, texas. from there to kansas city where i served with the church for about 20 years or so. >> there comes a time when no matter how hard it is, we have to get on with the business of seeing ourselves the way that we really are. >> i had announced my retirement to the church church and within three months of having left kansas city with my retirement
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pending, i was in jail for having taken someone's life. i was charged with murder and given a 50-year sentence. >> he's a very important and compelling figure in the chapel and in this institution. there is an adage that all people in prisons are not bad people. they just did bad things. martin is kind of the person who falls within that realm. >> as a convicted criminal he feared other inmates would not accept him as a man of god. >> one of the first things we have to do is learn to talk. i don't know how you feel about it, but i'm ready to receive something from god. >> there is a large percentage of the prison who will not come to church because of my role. some don't believe i have the right to stand where i stand. i certainly understand that. on the other hand, the fact that i do live here and i have fallen
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on these circumstances allows me to speak to things in a way that others cannot. >> i need to know that he will be with me when that cell comes closing in on me. i need to know that god is in there with me. >> the men tell me they come here because they have found hope. the church continues to grow because it does offer real hope to those who live in a hopeless kind of negative destructive environment. it's an oasis for men who live in a desert. >> ed bus implemented a number of changes in the prison including the way in which staff interact with inmates. rarp ruling with an iron hand officers now spend time talking to offenders, solving problems nld and rewarding good behavior with extra privileges. as a result violent offenses at isp have been reduced by 50%. that's our report. thanks for watching.
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>> . >> often deadly. there two million people doing time. every day is a battle to survive and to maintain order. >> down on your feet. down! >> among the toughest california's corcoran prison. severely overcrowd and plagued by racial tension. we spend months inside where officers
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