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on the east coast, 10:00 am on the west. we start with airasia 8501. sonar may show the wreckage of the plane on the java sea. airasia ceo, though, is responding with caution. >> there is no confirmation, no sonar, nothing. some visual but nothing confirmed. >> a large vigil as they and their country, deal with their collective grief. on new year's eve some cities have decided to cancel their celebrations. surabaya has canceled any kind of new year's entertainment. katy tur is there and has our report. >> reporter: good evening, ayman. it is nighttime here in surabaya indonesia. another tough day for families out here. day four of the search is already in the books and they've recovered more wreckage and even more bodies.
seven bodies in total have been taken from the waters and taken to a hospital where they'll begin the process of identification. they've taken dna samples from 93 family members so they can do this as quickly as they can. they want to get these bodies, these victims back to their families to begin the process of burials, religious ceremonies memorials so they can do that as they possibly can. all this that you see around me this staging area will be moved to the local hospital tomorrow. that's where families will gather and await information. as for radar image that is people are talking about, radar images of the plane under water, the ceo of airasia says that is not confirmed. they do not have the sonar images of the plane right now. they are still officially looking for the bulk of the fuselage. meanwhile, relatives say they will not give up hope until the very last second to find one of their loved ones still alive out there. ayman? >> katy thanks. nbc's katy tur in indonesia. back here at home millions of people across the country are
bracing for a bitterly cold new year's eve. 200 million americans woke up to temperatures below freezing this morning. the first time snow has fallen there since 2008. take a look at the snow in california san bernardino mountains. more than 180 people were stranded in their cars overnight after a heavy storm. weather channel's meteorologist mike seidel has more on what everyone across the country can expect when the ball drops tonight. >> good afternoon, ayman. we actually had snowflakes flying through the air this morning. temperatures, 34. windchills 20 to to 25. only four times they've had six inches of snow here in the past 35 years. northwest wind whipping through the palm trees here at the tropicana hotel t will stay cold
midnight tonight here a few grease above freezing and a nippy windchill. they'll have to layer up. although many don't here in vegas at night. as for the rest of the country, most of us will be shivering at midnight. cold night across the deserts. minneapolis at 9. if you'll be in times square or back east, teens and 20s. 26 in new york city. if you want warm weather when that ball drops, or wherever you are ringing in the new year you'll have to be in south florida, miami, midnight tonight, 72 degrees. back here in vegas, it will stay cold. we'll see highs back to average, and early next week back in the 60s here in sin city. ayman, happy new year. back to you. >> mike seidel at the weather channel for us. and on capitol hill house republican leaders continue to stand by majority whip steve scalise. under fire for his attendance at an event hosted by nationalist
group. quote, a mistake that he regrets. while some democrats have been critical, none have called him for to resign. at least one member of the house has come out in support, cedric richmond only african-american member in the delegation and the only louisiana democrat left on capitol hill after next week did express his support for congressman scalise. msnbc reporter benjigiebengiesarlin.
>> maybe not the most trustworthy accounts. one of the organizers kenny knight, david duke associate, now says scalise never spoke at the event, a civic association event earlier in the day. this comes by the fact that scalise himself as admitted speaking to at this event. people are trying to figure out exactly what happened. mr. knight coming to scalise's defense, what's your association with this guy, with someone who is a known david duke associate? a lot of questions for scalise to answer here. >> not a good way to start the new year for the republicans. is congressman richmonds coming out and supporting likely to quell the critics in the ranks against congressman scalise? >> it's not bad to have a democrat on your side and especially an african-american democrat in the state. most calls have fallen short of
saying -- calls to resign. you have to answer questions. have you to address this maybe they'll get political pot shots in. everyone is waiting for more facts to emerge. >> msnbc's bengy sarlin thank you so much for that. >> thank you. another barrier on the road to peace in the middle east. united nations security council late yesterday rejected a palestinian resolution seeking to end israel's occupation and set a deadline to establish a sovereign palestinian state. here is how the vote broke down. eight countries voted in favor of the resolution including france. and five countries abstained, including britain. united states and australia voted against the resolution. interesting story here is europe. earlier this month the european parliament voted overwhelmingly for qualified recognition of the palestinian state in countries like france sweden ireland and spain have all taken steps recently in support of a palestinian state. all possible indicators of a change in global diplomacy on
this issue. nbc's keir simmons has more from london. >> we find out the resolution was defeated ayman, it was not a surprise. the u.s. has made clear it would vote against it. of course, as one of five permanent members on the u.n. security council, the u.s. has veto against these things. a deeper dive into the vote itself raises some interesting talking points. for example, those who voted in favor included russia china and france. meanwhile, those that abstained included britain. there has been increasing frustration in europe over israeli settlements, over the deadlock in the region over the potential for a two-state solution that has been talked about for so long but never actually managed to reach any kind of a deal. and when you look at the vote itself, it wasn't just france but luxemburg, too, that voted
in favor whereas britain and lithuania abstained. the various parties' positions are more nuanced than their vote actually suggests. while she said the resolution itself was deeply unbalanced also said the vote should not be interpreted as a victory for an unsustainable status quo suggesting at some point an agreement had to be reached between the palestinians and the israeli government. meanwhile, the french who, of course voted in favor, said while it regrets that it's not possible to reach a consensus today, it said that it did have reservations about the contents of the resolution. so there are changing positions in various governments on this longstanding deadlock. ayman? >> nbc's keir simmons, thanks for that report from london.
just this hour word from palestinian president mahmoud abbas that palestinians will join the international criminal court, signing 20 agreements including icc statute. israel ace prime minister benjamin netanyahu has vowed and responded by threatening to take measures in response to that resolution. a two-hour meeting between new york city mayor bill de blasio and union officials. we'll ask mike daly if we're seeing any change in the frosty relations. new year's eve around the world. we'll be checking in at times square to see how they're preparing for the big night ahead of us.
tensions are still high in new york city, following the two-hour meeting between mayor bill de blasio, putting the city's leaders face to face with his most vocal critics. the idea was to find ways to come together and move forward, following intense criticism of the mayor. according to reports during the meeting, there was no yelling, but there was also no laughing. and the pastry's provided we are told were not even touched. this, as the nypd is being -- new york's finest abandoning low-level policing following the assassination of two nypd officers. news just in that two streets in brooklyn will be named after the fallen officers weinjin liu and rafael ramos. arrests dropping 60% compared to
last year traffic violations 94%, low-level, such as public urination, dropping to 94% and drug arrests to 84%. how did the fractious relationship between the police and city hall improve? joining me now is michael daly daily beast and novg city reporter, one of the best there is. thank you very much, michael, for joining us. >> thank you for having me. >> what more do we know about this meeting that took place? what do we know about it and what was discussed? >> i don't know that there's a whole lot to know. i think from the point of view of the police unions it might have gone better if the mayor's office hadn't released a press release announcing it therefore claiming it. it was an odd thing where they
said the mayor will be meeting with them and it was closed to the press. i think when he issues the press release it's kind of like his meeting. they feel like they're walking into his setup, his situation. and i don't think a lot was accomplished. the detail is telling. it looks like they backed down. so -- >> let me go on to this nypd editorial. "the new york times" editorial board wrote a scathing rebuke of the drop in arrests, saying that it amounts to a public act of extortion and added that quote, refusing to work violates their oath to serve and protect. should these actions be
considered insubordination as the times described it or as an example of how the city would look without broken windows style of policing? >> well it's a tough call. i can't believe. if you went and urinate edd they would be just as willing to risk their lives. part of it is anger. part of it is grief over these officers. anger and grief is very close together. part of it is they're just anxious because, you know the eric garner thing started over cigarettes. >> there's a slowdown in these low-level crimes is that a given fact that everyone is agreeing on that they're not arresting people doing the urination? zbrt numbers say that they're not. >> the numbers suggest that?
>> the numbers say they're not. >> very public following the assassination of officers rafael ramos and weinjan liu. what have you learned about the investigation of the final movements of the suspect as he approached these two officers? >> detectives have done a remarkable job. part of it is they would do it anyway, in any case. they want the families to know as much detail as possible about what happened particularly given probably the ultimate question of why this guy did it may never be answered. they put in thousands of hours, going -- trying to trace every little step. they hit 30 different videos they came up with with glimpses of them. one guy said it was like playing where's waldo. >> sound bite from representative peter king. he just said about the issue. he made these comments recently on andrea mitchell earlier in the previous hour. take a listen. >> police officers feel that
mayor de blasion turned against them early on, with the garner case, as he tried to portray it as being a racial matter. fact is it was an african-american chief sergeant on the scene, african-american businessman. what went wrong or didn't go wrong had nothing to do with race. they felt that mayor deblasion jumped in trying to make it a racial issue. kept it going as a racial issue, saying cops had to be retrained. they just don't feel that mayor deblasio has their back. >> has other mayors faced similar tensions? hasn't there always been a tension? >> a couple thousand cops coming over the brooklyn bridge, and some people called him a wash room attendant and a few racial ep epithets thrown around. >> is it because they come from two different worlds?
why is it so dievisive now when these have been so common? >> the police really transformed the city of new york. they changed it from the war zone to the safest big city in america. de blasio would have never gotten elected if people didn't feel safe. you wouldn't bring in a progressive if you didn't feel you could get to the corner store to get a gallon of milk. no one ever said thank you. he comes in -- he came in first of all on the stop and frisk. so they're aware of that. they're kind of looking at him like, oh okay. then these other incidents came. and in my mind, the big turning point was the protesters when they were, you know calling cops murderers and racists, in my mind what the mayor should have said was, you know you have a legal right to protest but you don't have a moral right. >> got it. >> to do that and -- i'm sorry. >> let me ask you really quickly
about the role of commissioner bratton. what is his role in all of this now? how has it changed? i mean he seems to be an intermediary between the force and city hall. >> he is. and the interesting thing is that actually you can get a little hope by looking at it. both sides respect him. the cops love him, right? and they listen to him. and the mayor clearly has regard for him. even the mayor's wife seems to like bratton. i saw him give a big hug outside the cathedral. so if you look at him and you listen to what he says and you watch what he does, there really is hope of this being worked out to some degree anyway. >> what concrete steps do you think we could see the mayor taking? former mayor giuliani is asking him to apologize. do you think that's likely? >> i don't think it's likely but
i don't think it really matters. i'm sorry for what i didn't say? that's what he would have to do. i don't think this meet something successful. i don't think he did it right but it's an attempt. naming the streets off the police officers, that originated with city hall. i think he's making an attempt anyway. >> michael daily, thank you very much for that. we'll be following that story as well. just ahead, we're live from times square as the countdown begins for one of the biggest new year's celebrations in the world. and ever heard of new year's traditions involving a dead possum? we have some of the more unusual new year's customs around the country after the break.
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up for one of the biggest events, the annual times square ball drop. more than a million people are expected to be there and that's where we find nbc's stephanie gosk right in the middle of the action. stephanie, what is on the agenda for tonight? >> hey, ayman, happy new year's eve to you. in a couple of hours, they'll start piling some of these hardy souls into pens. they really ought to come up with a better word than that. that's what they're calling them, these barricades where people will be loading up backing up in some cases all the way up to 50th street ten blocks. there, they will wait for the ball to drop. it should be a pretty good show. it starts around 6:00. you'll have some of the headliners, idina menzel taylor swift. on nbc you have carson daly hoefth a show with all of his "view" judges as well as tony bennett and lady gaga. the music will be good. i don't know if it will be good enough to keep people warm because it is going to be really cold out here.
probably in the 20s. i give a lot of credit to the people out here coming for the enormous party. certainly a lot of credit to the nypd officers who will be on the job tonight. >> let's talk about the nypd and security overall. is there any concern that tensions between the nypd and mayor are going to affect how smoothly things go tonight there? >> there may be some concern. we certainly aren't hearing a lot of people talk about it. you know you have governor andrew cuomo announcing an increased presence of security. the national guard are being called in. not necessarily here in times square but in other parts of the city, at the two airports laguardia and jfk and penn station. here in times square the security presence will be very similar to what it has been in years past. that is to say it's going to be formidable. there are thousands of patrol officers on the streets. you'll have counterterrorism units. bomb squads, bomb-sniffing dogs. they are right now conducting regular sweeps of some of the rooftrops of the build ss ss ss of
the buildings here. they're doing everything they can to make sure that it goes off smoothly and securely ayman. >> nbc's stephanie gosk one of the nicest perhaps best assignments to have on new year's day. hope you're staying warm out there. happy new year to you. enjoy the party throughout the night. >> thank you very much. other parts of the country where some rather odd new year's traditions will or will not be taking place. it's all in an effort to capture the magic of the times square ball drop. las cruces new mexico is dropping an 18-foot aluminum chile. yep, that's right. people got to vote online to decide whether it would be red or green and, drumroll please the winning color will be revealed at midnight. you'll have to follow that to find out. next grand canyon state, flagstaff, arizona, will celebrate with a six-foot pine cone that drops from the roof of the weatherford hotel. it weighs 70 pounds and is
lowered twice, once at 10:00 pm to coincide with the times square celebration and once at midnight. hmm. twice must be the charm, i guess. in prescott arizona, they'll be hosting the fourth annual whiskey rope boot drop six-foot spurred cowboy boot will be lowered from the palace building flag pole accompanied by fireworks. they really know how to kick it up in arizona. >> and in the tarheel state, they dropped a live possum for the last 20 years. i'm not making this up. due to animal rights challenges the town will be using road kill possum or a pot of possum stew. yes, you did hear all of that correctly, i promise. but we promise no animals were harmed in the making of this day ly spite.
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rescue officials say a flight attendant wearing her uniform have been recovered. bad weather is still hindering efforts to recover more victims and the record like the fuselage. tom costello joins us now from washington, d.c. what is the latest on the search and the investigation from your sources? >> it's being hampered a bit right now. high sea swells and winds. it won't keep the operations on hold. you still have navies operating in that area. they are used to operating in rough weather. as for pinpointing the location of the fuselage itself sitting
150 feet or so below the surface of the water, that could take some time. they want to milk sure they pick up all the debris on the surface they can. and then look for the fuselage which probably still contains many, if not most of the victims. and looking for the tail section of the plane, which will hold those all-important black boxes, cockpit voice and flight data recorder, in particular will have about 1,000 points of telemetry data recorded. it will tell investigators what condition the plane was in as it was in its final moments of flight. what was the pilot doing, co-pilot doing? what was the weight the fuel consumption? that's why they want to fine the tail section of the plane. that taking a backseat to the
recovery of the victims. as for who will physically look at the data recorder and cockpit voice recorder so far faa and ntsb have not been requested by the indonesian authorities. it is possible we could see the french take the lead because this is an airbus aircraft majority built in france. so the french have much more intimate knowledge of the airbus aircraft. it's possible that the french investigative agency will take the lead on reading out those black boxes. >> tom costello in washington, d.c. thank you, tom. >> okay. from the indonesian rescue teams, word about visuals of the aircraft. why there is still no gps
technology. greg feith from the ntsb joins us. what do these sonar images indicate about what happened? >> right now, ayman, they're really just to help investigators narrow that search area and start to recover the wreckage. of course as tom said hopefully find the flight data recorder and the cockpit voice recorder. the sonar images won't really help as far as determining what caused the accident. it will definitely help find the key parts of the aircraft which could contain victims and, of course, the fdr and the cvr. >> i want to take a look at the question of radar and why there's no interairline gps tracking system. here is what bloomberg business week had to say about this. precise tracking involves a greater expense for airlines and most are likely to respond
quickly. is it just not cost effective for airlines to put in gps tracking systems? >> we don't put a price on safety. when you're looking at an airline and margins they're running on especially if you're an ultra low-cost carrier, you're trying to slim that bottom line cost down as much as you can. as we saw with mh 370, that data tracking, they had the lowest form or lowest subscription rate with the least amount of parameters. other airline ss -- safety should have no price on it. and the cost of the system should not be a question as far as price being the driving
factor. factor. >> is it that the industry is not mandating airlines enough to do this? if there is a regulation that said everybody has to get on board with this about do this would that make a difference? >> i believe so. it definitely will drive the airlines to mandate them to take this kind of action. >> so the governments are not responsible at this point? >> the governments are definitely responsible for enacting regulations and implementing them. the faa can't stroke a pen sboernt say you're going to start doing this. you have to have an implementation period. you have to have some sort of certification or basis and, you know a minimum standard for which the airlines to have to at least abide by.
2020 has been a target date for mandating that with our carriers. >> greg feith has been following this for us all week. thank you for that insight, greg. more questions about who was behind the sony hacking as more cyber security groups point away from north korea, we'll be speaking to experts from recode after the break to find out.
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briefed the fbi this week with a list of suspects that did not include north korea. to make sense of this mystery, i'm joined by the managing editor, who we should disclose is venture with msnbc backing. it's been a month since the story broke. why can't anyone figure this out definitively? >> with hacking, it's hard to trace things back because they work to cover their trail. it takes a long time. in this particular case though the fbi has extensive access to sony servers and in their investigation, a lot of experts as well. the fbi, they've got firsthand accounts. they've got firsthand information in the air investigation. the other security firms, they're doing their own audit of the hack which means they're looking at from the outside, and they've got good investigators, too. you want to believe the organization that has firsthand accounts as the ones that don't.
>> citing some of the possible perpetrators, if you will of this crime. >> right. >> who else could be behind this attack? >> the smart answer here is to some degree the way that north korea could be behind this attack is that it's not them -- it's not their doing it on their own. they cheerily hired or contracted out work with hackers out in the world. >> that is one of the points i want to talk about it. could it be that north korea simply outsourced the hacking to third parties outside their country to mask any kind of official connection? >> right. that is the more likely scenario. >> is that common in general? have you seen it in previous hacks? >> yes, in previous hacks where organization that is want to infiltrate or basically attack a company or a country, for that matter, will hire outside people to do so. i mean the world is that much more interconnected. >> and there are -- >> they are for hire. >> there are now hackers for hire. >> yeah. >> on christmas day with the hacking of the sony playstation
as well as the x-box game consoles. so in that situation, it was a group calling itself or identifying itself as lizard squad. >> yeah. >> it seems they now also have their hacking capabilities for hire they have a kit that you can almost buy to hack. >> it's crazy, right? >> is that legal? >> it's certainly not. >> not, right. and i think what we're seeing now is you know the internet in general is essentially aneeds to be protected and defended whether it's a company like sony or servers that relate to the u.s. government or other u.s. corporations. and i think the fact that we are that much more interconnected gives hackers, both big and small access. >> let me ask this though. no doubt hacking is illegal. but selling a hacking system is illegal? >> i'm not a legal expert. >> yeah. >> so i don't know what the fine line around that is. anyone who would partake and make use of it i guess the
earlier analog would be the anarchist cookbook how you make a bokmb. selling it was a form of expression where using it was illegal. you might use that as an analog. >> fortune 500, named as number 105 on the fortune 500 list, very big corporation. if they're not safe, is anybody safe, are any of these companies safe? >> if you're online you're vulnerable. it's that simple. it also signals that just more and more the cost of doing business is rising. at least on this front. security firms out there, they're trying to kind of own the narrative a little bit around the sony attack. that's what we're seeing now. these reports of it wasn't north korea, it was these other groups. security firms are front and center. this is an opportunity, quite frankly, for them to make it clear why security is important to any u.s. enterprise or any enterprise, for that matter.
>> what else have we learned as individuals and corporations from this hacking example? >> the glib answer is don't send bad e-mails, right? >> that's like on a personal level. >> a personal level. >> of what has been exposed but on the level of corporate security what have we learned? >> there's a back and forth. are the hackers in the driver's seat or the companies upping their security? is there a way to increase and own our own information? >> i think it's how quickly they react to attacks. you can create as secure a system as you possibly can and still be hacked. no system is foolproof. that's fine. it's how quickly you respond to it how quickly you're updating your systems and security measures because then it just make it is less likely. people have cars that get broken into no matter what. the more security systems you have in place, the less likely your car will be broken into. >> on an individual level, very quickly, we're all vulnerable and give our credit cards to
corporations and elsewhere. what sts st that we can do? >> change your passwords. change them often. make them difficult. so, you know i think that's just -- we're too used to not logging into things anymore. things are auto logged in. you have to remember to log in every time and change your password. >> thank you very much edmund lee with that insight. we appreciate it. with that story, we'll be following much more in the coming days. up next revisiting an important story we covered on ronan farrow daily. south of the border and what legal rights they're entitled to. we'll look at it after the break.
found more non-mexicans were apprehended at the border than mexicans. 259,000 compared to 229,000 mexicans. the number of mexican crossing into the u.s. has been on a steady decline since the year 2000 when over 1.6 million were apprehended by authorities. the changes in immigration patterns are partly due to the surge this year of unaccompanied children migrants from central america mostly a problem immigration analysts say could continue as rampant crime and violence in honduras guatemala and el salvador carry on. we've been looking back at some stories we're most proud of here. today's story is from last month when ronan traveled to the u.s./mexico border and found undocumented immigrants and the u.s. border patrol agents they encounter both deal with an unclear legal situation when they meet at the border. >> so they don't receive legal
counsel during the initial questioning? >> not during the initial questioning. that's just because the initial questions we take is really just buy graphical information. >> reporter: undocumented border crossers, they risk everything traversing a dangerous no man's land into the united states. but it's after their apprehended by u.s. authorities that many face a different kind of no man's land. a legal limbo. >> the border-crossers are an essentially terrible position, to put it mildly. border patrol spring on them with guns. do not provide them with legal rights. what needs to happen is those people need to be told their rights and given counsel. that is not happening now and that is a problem. >> reporter: so what does happen when a migrant is picked up by the u.s. border patrol? >> this is a standard processing form that when we apprehend an alien out in the field, this is the information that we take
from them. so the apprehending agent's information, coordinates of where this person was arrested at. we take down their basic buy graphicical information, name date of birth, sex, age. >> reporter: agents say their role is just to detain migrants for a short period. in cells like this one in the tucson border sector before sending migrants on to other's like i.c.e. immigration and customs enforcement. but before that happens, the migrants are asked to abc three questions. >> yes i would like to -- they can answer to this yes, i would like to see an immigration judge and, you know please my case to stay here in the united states. the second question is essentially an asylum question. the last response is that i'm admitting that i'm in the u.s. illegally. i don't have a fear of returning to my country and i just want to be returned to my place of origin as quickly as possible. >> reporter: civil rights groups like the aclu acknowledge that border agents are acting within
the letter of the law by having immigrants answer those questions. but they say that's not enough. one specific set of rights migrants often aren't afforded miranda rights. >> you have the right to remain silent. anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. >> reporter: the iconic warnings given to u.s. citizens in criminal proceedings. >> illegal immigrants have miranda rights when their charged with a criminal offense but they do not have them when they're charged with an immigration offense. the reason is, among other things, because they don't have the right to counsel. >> reporter: why not mirandize them when they're immediately taken into custody? >> if they say something incriminating or i believe they were involved in criminal activity, i'll read them their rights right there. the other time someone will be
mirandized when we're targeting this person thinking they may be a scout, may be involved in criminal activity the field agent wasn't aware of. >> reporter: for some that leaves too much uncertainty as to what rights are respected and when. a situation the aclu calls a black hole of legal rights. >> when you ask people around the world, what is it that makes america special, they say in america everyone has rights, yutet they come here and put in an immigration system where the deck is completely stacked against them. >> ronan farrow reporting from the arizona/mexico border earlier this year. that's a wrap for this edition of "ronan farrow daily." now it's time for "the reid report" with my colleague joy reid. i will take beauty into my own hands where it belongs. olay regenerist instantly changes the look of skin. it regenerates surface cells new skin is revealed in only 5 days without drastic measures. stunningly youthful,
happy new year's eve. this is "the reid report." i'm joy reid. while we're watching celebrationings begin around the world, we're paying particular attention to those in indonesia where it just turned 2015. where rescuers will soon continue their search of wreckage of flight 8501. more body and debris were found in the fourth day of search efforts as big waves impeded the efforts. for more on the search and victims' families we turn to katy tur, who's in indonesia. >> reporter: joy, it is nighttime here in surabaya indonesia. it was another tough day for families out here as they pulled even more bodies and wreckage from the water. seven bodies in total have been brought to a
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