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prised everybody by upholding obamacare's constitutionality, the same litigants, the same oral the same lawyers will be there tomorrow. we'll be doing this show live tomorrow on the nation's capital. a very high stakes day for the country and the biggest policy legacy of this president and his presidency, tomorrow a very high stakes day. that does it for us tonight. see you again tomorrow. now time for "the last word with lawrence o'donnell." good evening, lawrence. >> we might be going live to hillary clinton's speech to see if she says anything about those e-mails. what is your bet, do you think he'll say anything about the e-mails? >> from having watched her speak about things like this in the past, i think she'll make a cutting aside about it that will get a huge round of applause and charge on. that's what i'm betting. >> we'll see. i have a feeling you'll be right.
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thanks, rachel. well, tonight, how benjamin netanyahu helped john boehner get a dead cat off his doorstep. and the questions hillary clinton has not answered about her use of private e-mails while secretary of state, as i just said, we're waiting for hillary clinton's speech in washington. we'll go to it live at the emily's list gala. >> this is a bad deal, a very bad deal. we're better off without it. >> benjamin netanyahu tells congress to walk away from what he says is a bad nuclear deal. >> i did not have a chance to watch prime minister netanyahu's speech. i did have a chance to take a look at the transcript. >> he called it a bad deal. >> as far as i can tell, there was nothing new. >> but he didn't say what would be a good deal. >> the prime minister didn't offer any viable alternatives. >> the former secretary of state is under a cloud of scrutiny over her e-mails. >> "the new york times" reports that clinton used that personal e-mail account to conduct
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official business. >> there was no prohibition on using a non-state e-mail account for government business. >> the state department does not have all of secretary clinton's e-mails. only she has a complete record. >> this is also an unclassified e-mail. no classified business was done on it. >> we've learned details are expected to be released tomorrow. >> this investigation looked at how the ferguson department conducts their business. >> the fight over dhs is over. house speaker john boehner told congress today they are going to call for a vote. >> better late than never. today, as rachel reported in the last hour, former cia director david petraeus negotiated a plea deal and avoided the possibility of a high profile trial and possible jailtime.
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the retired army general pled guilty to one count, punishable by one year in prison, $100,000 fine and five years probation. he supplied classified material for a book being written about himself. petraeus was willing having an extramarital affair with her at that time. today, hillary clinton has not said whether any classified information was put at risk by her use of private e-mail account while she was secretary of state. we are joined now by krystal ball, who is in the room right now where hillary clinton will be giving that speech tonight in washington. also joined by jonathan halter, msnbc analyst. jason baron from the national archives and steven vladic, law professor at american university.
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krystal ball, what's happening in the room there now and when do you expect hillary to speak? >> we expect hillary at any time now. we're hearing from the president of emily's list and who also has been talked about as a potential campaign manager for hillary clinton. so getting ready to hear from hilly. i have to tell you, the news of the e-mail issue here has really not penetrated for people. and to the extent it has, the thought is here we go again, more attacks on the former secretary of state. so they're just super excited to see her and hear her speak tonight. >> jonathan, that's one of the tactical advantages that the clintons have whenever something negative comes out, is that oh, here we go again, the poor clintons are besieged and being attacked. >> yeah, and they can play that card pretty successfully with
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the base. this is not going to be a big political issue for her going forward. it's very early in the campaign. but it's a warning sign that their lack of transparency and their secrecy that has characterized the clintons going back 25 years is still in place. this was an unforced error. she didn't need to do this. she could have had a g-mail account and done her non-state department business on that account while abiding by the rules and conducting her official business on an official state department account. that's the proper way to do this. her refusal to follow that proper process suggests that there could be trouble ahead because they're going to do things that they think they can get away with. >> the simplest question she hasn't answered about it is why.
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why would you use personal e-mail in this situation. jason, you had some stunned remarks to make in "the new york times" report about this where we learned about it, and in your experience, it reads as if you found this rather shocking. >> well, it's extremely unusual for a high level official to solely use a personal e-mail account for their entire time in office in an agency. every agency in the government, certainly the state department, has an official e-mail system that all employees know to use for creating and receiving federal records. not using that system is highly unusual. it is inconsistent with long-standing regulations and practices of the national
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archives for documenting the nation's record in -- at federal agencies. >> steven, one of the questions that hillary clinton is going to have to answer, which colin powell did answer today, he said that he too used a personal e-mail account while secretary of state. what he did not say in that statement is whether he used it exclusively. he left no indication as to whether he was also using a government e-mail account, but he did clearly say there was no classified material in any of the personal e-mails that he sent. he sent those e-mails, as he put it, for scheduling and bookkeeping reasons. steven, if there is any classified material in hillary clinton's personal e-mails that she sent as secretary of state, what kind of liabilities might that expose her to? >> lawrence, i think we're a long way away from that, but as
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most government employees with a security clearance will tell you, you can't just get on g-mail and send classified information. there are a lot of protocols in place that prevent that. so only if she at the time used her private e-mail, sent classified information, and sent it to someone who was not authorized to receive it, would we really be talking about the kinds of criminal penalties that are in the news today, thanks to general petraeus. >> so look, what we know so far, 55,000 pages of e-mails, and that's not all of them. and so in that giant stack of e-mails, the likelihood of there being something classified seems to statistically run high. but steven, it looks like hillary is stepping up to the microphone. yes, she's just being introduced in washington. now she's been introduced. she's on her way to the stage. let's listen to her speak and let's listen to what we might learn about these e-mails.
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we believe she will not be taking any questions. from that crowd, it's unlikely there would be questions about the e-mails. >> highly unlikely. i actually disagree a little bit with rachel. i don't think she's going to bring it up. >> i said last night, i suspect she might not mention it. but if she does, it's a one liner and some kind of barb about it being pointless. let's listen to secretary clinton. >> thank you. thank you all so much. oh, my goodness. that was a walk down memory lane. so many years, so many hairstyles. [ laughter ] it is wonderful being with you tonight. i have to say, i am still kind of in the grandmother glow. six months in, it's better than a spa treatment.
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i highly recommend it. but if there's anything that can compete with it, it is a room full of women and men who recognize the importance of making sure that all of our people have a chance to live up to their god-given potential. and if that includes running for office, running campaigns, standing up and being an advocate, then emily's list has been on the right track for 30 years. and let's hope for 100 more, until we're no longer needed. [ applause ] now, i want to answer one question right at the start, before it stirs up twitter. over the years, people have read a lot of different things into my pant suits. so let's settle this once and for all.
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despite what you might think, this outfit is not actually white and gold. [ laughter ] i must say that gave us all a little bit of amusement in the middle of our days, and i can't tell you how many people i have been with who have held up the pictures and asked me. blue and black, white and gold? you know, i believe in freedom of thought, free expression. the internet is a great enabler. but it is nice to be with people who actually see what is before us as a country, and are committed to doing each of our parts to make this a fairer, more just, better place for our girls and our boys. i want to start by thanking stephanie. first of all, that was an amazing speech. i am so impressed and proud.
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and the fact that she could get al franken, my friend of decades, elected to the united states senate tells you everything you need to know about what an extraordinary person of patience stephanie is, but she has led this indispensable organization into the 21st century with such savvy and class and she took the baton from ellen and she has run faster and farther than we could have hoped. growing, as al said, from 400,000 members to more than 3 million. and today, under stephanie's leadership, emily's list is bigger, stronger, younger, and more diverse than ever. [ applause ]
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so this anniversary is a chance to celebrate how far we have come together and where we still need to go and why it matters. not just for women but for the entire country. now, i have to confess sometimes i do feel like a broken record saying that. i know there are still some people two roll their eyes when i or others say that women's issues are america's issues, but they're just going to have to get used to it. i'm going to beat this drum as long and as loud as it takes to be part of the chorus that so many of you have been in for years. it's important for us to remember what it was like for women in politics before emily's list. it's not just that the playing field wasn't level. women were barely in the game.
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they couldn't often even get into the arena where the game was being played. and that's the genius that inspired ellen, who decided to shake things up. on that day in 1985 when she gathered those friends in her basement, none of them could have known exactly what kind of impact they would have. but they did know something very important. they knew that when women participate in politics, the effects ripple out far and wide, and they knew that our country is full of brilliant, talented women, ready to step up and lead. and who better to prove that than a 4'11" spark plug named barbara mccullsky?
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now, barbara has great integrity, but that 4'11" may be stretching it just a little. but the ole boys never saw her coming, and with the help of emily's list, the voters of maryland not only saw her, they elected her, again and again and again. barbara's victory in 1986 was a turning point for this organization, for women in politics, and certainly for the united states senate. she blazed a path forward, and among her many accomplishments, one that i am particularly grateful for, was when she forced the senate to allow women to wear pant suits on the floor. [ applause ]
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like so many of my fellow women senators, i will always remember barbara's kindness and wisdom when i was elected in the 2000 election. she was one of the first calls i got. it went something like this -- congratulations. i followed it. that was a hard-fought race. now you need to figure out how to be a senator since you've been elected to seven as one. and she came over and sat down with me and started giving me a tutorial that stood me in such good stead. she knew the ropes, but she also knew how to cut through all the hot air. she understands that, yes, we have to work on macro issues and also macaroni and cheese issues, too.
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and for hardworking families, they're one in the same. it's hard to imagine the senate without senator mccullski. we owe her so much. but i'm glad you're going to stay out there raising hell like she always has and inspiring even more people to consider public service, because of the rewards that, despite all of the challenges, come to you. so thank you for everything, barbara. we love you and we are grateful to you. now, emily's list has gone on to help elect 19 women to the senate. more than 100 as you heard to congress and 11 governors. but in addition, emily's list has, with your help, recruited and trained more than 9,000 women from every background to run for every office at every level.
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and aren't you proud to see governors like our wonderful maggie from new hampshire and gina ramando leading the way. don't you love seeing nancy pelosi stand up. nobody fights harder for middle class families than nancy does. didn't it make you want to cheer when it was a coalition of women senators who finally -- >> we are going to continue to monitor hillary clinton's speech in washington, especially if she has anything to say about the revelation that she used exclusively her personal e-mail account while serving as secretary of state. jason, i want to go back to you as the director of litigation as the national archives, and your experience with this issue, is there anything -- i have
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struggled with this myself. i've been unable to conceive of a reason, i can't think of the discussion that would have occurred with secretary clinton in which the decision was made to use a personal e-mail account and to never use a state department e-mail account. as someone that worked in government, i find that conversation just actually impossible to write. is there any legitimate version of that conversation that you can imagine? >> well, lawrence, it's very understandable why one would wish to use a g-mail account. we're all used to using the best tools, the most efficient means of communication in our personal and our professional lives. and with smartphones and mobile devices and laptops and a busy secretary of state, going around the world, it strikes me as a decision that i could imagine
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ms. clinton making and other high officials making to opt for what is the most efficient means, rather than attempting to perhaps log into an official recordkeeping system. but the fact that it's understandable and the fact that we live in a fast-pace world and we need to communicate, doesn't change the fact that officials that are in the position of the secretary of state and frankly all federal employees, are doing the nation's business. they are held to be accountable. the citizens have the right to ask in freedom of information request for records responsive to those requests. congress has the right to ask for records that are created or received as a matter of public business. and it remains highly unusual, in my experience, in the 13 years that i was director of
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litigation, for a high level official to solely use a private system for the conduct of government business. >> steven, in bill clinton's administration, his cia director, john deutsche, faced prosecution for improperly using -- handling classified material that ended up on his home computer. how is that different? what are the ways in which that's different from what we currently know about hillary clinton's case? >> sure, lawrence. there are two critical differences. the first is, we still have no suggestion that any of the materials that then secretary clinton transmitted through her personal e-mail involved classified information. and there are reasons to doubt that would have happened given the protocols that government employees have to go through. >> what is an example of a protocol that would prevent that. >> you need a particular identification to logon to a system of classification.
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there are security protocols in place to prevent attaching a file -- >> steven, how about -- there is knowledge, there's personal knowledge that the secretary has at certain points that she could just put in a sentence. i'm not talking about transmitting classified documents. i get all that. but the fact is, people with high security clearances like a secretary of state, what she's exposed to in the situation room with the president, she's walking around with knowledge in her head that she could put in a sentence and send it to someone, possibly her husband, for advice. in a situation like that, what might that exposure -- again, given the very few cases we have in this territory, like john deutsche, how would this compare to that? >> lawrence, the relevant statute is section 1924 of title 18 of the u.s. code.
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what that prohibits is the willful removal and retention of classified information. so in john deutsche's case, in the case of clinton administration official sandy berger and in the case of general petraeus, those are the charges. it's not enough to just have something in an e-mail. the question is, are you removing the information, are you retaining it in a way that's not authorized. are you communicating it to someone who is not authorized to receive it, which is what we saw in the case of general petraeus. there's been no suggestion that's what happened in secretary clinton's case. it's now the case today that federal law requires someone like the secretary of state to make a public store of all their e-mails. but that law was just signed into law by president obama last fall. so there's no argument that
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secretary clinton violated a federal statute here. until and unless there's a smoking gun showing that somehow she was communicating about classified information in private e-mails, i think we're a long way away from any evidence that's what happened here. >> jonathan? >> so i can understand why, to answer your question she might want to do this. what happens is -- >> there's only one reason. everybody i know in government today, there's one reason, so you can control it and destroy it. that's the only reason. >> right. and because they find the government's system antiquated, cumbersome, hard to use, it's a hassle. democrat and republican say when they go into government -- >> here's the problem. does she find it difficult to have her own plane? she didn't have to deal with boarding passes and deal with the tsa. there are tradeoffs. i used the senate's first e-mail system. it worked. it was okay. it was better when i got out in
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the private sector, but it worked. more important, it was secure. >> what we're talking about is the secretary of state putting important, at a minimum sensitive information into g-mail accounts that we know, from edward snowden, are not secure. they can be seen by all kinds of people who shouldn't be seeing them. and that is not the case if she were using the secure state department system. so there's a potential security breach here. >> i think the security issue is the entire issue at this point. i'm satisfied legally that we haven't crept up across any legal lines. but the security risk to me is absolutely stunning in this situation. we'll continue to monitor secretary clinton's speech. we'll rewind it for you if we have to, if she says anything about these e-mails. steve, krystal ball, who is down in the ballroom, she'll have to
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today, speaker of the house john boehner surrendered completely and unconditionally
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to president obama and the minority party in the house and senate, the democrats. and he did it under a mushroom cloud of rhetoric in the house of representatives that he hoped would distract the world from his surrender. just before john boehner's complete surrender to the president on funding for the department of homeland security, he gave his party the biggest thrill in the house chamber since the haste time george w. bush delivered a believable state of the union address. whenever that was. john boehner invited to the podium in the house exactly where president bush used to stand and exactly where president obama has stood and gotten heckled by house republicans. to that very spot he invited the most charismatic republican politician in america today. >> mr. speaker, the prime minister of israel. [ applause ]
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>> john boehner thrilled every republican member of the house and every republican senator while he was at it by having benjamin netanyahu deliver a speech opposed to everything president obama is trying to achieve with iran, a speech that no american republican has the skills to deliver. >> iran and isis are competing for the crown of militant islam. one calls itself the islamic republic, the other calls itself the islamic state. if iran wants to be treated like a normal country, let it act like a normal country. >> then, and only then, after giving his troops that thrill, john boehner told his troops it was time to vote on that thing that they hate.
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time to vote on the thing that john boehner always knew they were going to have to vote on. a clean funding bill for the department of homeland security, without the provisions republicans wanted to nullify president obama's executive action on immigration. what john boehner needed them to do was shut up and vote. he knew virtually all the democrats would vote for it and another republicans would join them. 182 democrats and 75 republicans voted for it. so john boehner got a dead cat off his doorstep, the dead house republican bill that would have nullified president obama's executive action on immigration, a bill that would have been vetoed. what john boehner did today he could have done weeks ago if he was the leader of the house republicans, but they have no leader.
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instead, what john boehner had to do is go through weeks of pretending that the hopeless house republican bill had a chance, weeks of trying to convince the delusional in his party that he was with them 100%. the bill that has now passed the house and the senate, the only bill that ever could have passed is on its way to the white house for president obama's signature for the full funding of the homeland security department. president obama said today that he didn't watch benjamin netanyahu's speech, because he was on a videoconference about ukraine. the white house issued this photo talking to the british prime minister david cameron who you can see on the video screen. secretary of state john kerry was in switzerland meeting with the foreign minister of iran. >> my boss, right now, did not have a chance to watch the speech because he is trying to negotiate an agreement that will
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prevent iran from getting a nuclear weapon that would make israel safer. >> president obama made it clear that american foreign policy is not made by speechmakers in the house of representatives. >> it is very important for us not to politicize the relationship between israel and the united states. it's very important for all of us americans to realize that we have a system of government in which foreign policy runs through the executive branch and the president. not through other channels. >> joining us now, congressman peter welsh, sam stein, and john is back with us. congressman, today the house of representatives timely did what it could have done weeks ago, bow to the inevitable, vote for the clean bill. i just have to assume this is not the last time we'll see john boehner spending weeks and weeks
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pretending to the extremists that something other than the impossible is possible. >> he's done this before with the shutdown caucus. they did it on the debt ceiling about three years ago. they did it on obamacare when they did shut down the government for 17 days, and they did it on homeland security. it was bizarre on homeland security, because 535 members of congress were in favor of funding. we weren't arguing about the budget. but we had this group that had the provisions that the speaker was pretending to back until they got exhausted. and then he could sneak it by and he came to the democrats and nancy pelosi and we did what we could. >> congressman, on benjamin netanyahu's speech, as i recall, you were one that planned not to attend. >> no, i went. i thought i should go to i would
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have standing to react. i think it's a short term bump for netanyahu. he's good at giving those speeches and he had a receptive audience in congress. but long-term, it was a really important strategic blunder and here's why. he has decided to throw his lot in with the boehner-led republican congress. and that is his vehicle to get his way on foreign policy. in fact, he's repudiated the president of the united states, and that is a major decision that's opened up this rift where you saw 50 members of the democratic party boycott the speech and so long-term, he made a mistake. >> i have not seen the republicans as gleeful in a long time as they were sitting there, just clapping and clapping for their hero, benjamin netanyahu.
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and then, of course, john boehner tells them, i hope you boys had fun. now it's time to do those jobs you hate, being congressmen and voting on funding homeland security. >> yeah. he did throw them a party this morning, no question about that. they were hooping and hollering. it was an astonishing thing to watch, lawrence. netanyahu, he comes out and says all these nice things about barack obama before proceeding to spend the next 45 minutes attacking everything that barack obama has been trying to do for the last couple of years. of course, the republicans ate it up. with regard to boehner, and the dhs vote, i understand actually him playing out that string for a little while. because he has to placate that extreme right part of his caucus. but i don't understand why he didn't do this last week. everybody knew that it was going to come to this, even the people on the right, the tea partiers knew it was going to come this
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to and they can't remove him. every time something like this happens, there are these stories about boehner's speakership in peril. they don't have the persons to replace him with. >> i don't see any way to do his job more effectively. he does have to pander to the extremists. he does have to pretend to them for some period of time that what they want is possible and he's on their side. the moves he's making are the desperate kinds of moves that a speaker in his situation with a wildly disloyal caucus has to do. >> he doesn't have the best leverage points, either. i think once he went over the cliff in the government shutdown, he was going to do that only once and that was it and public opinion backfired. so now we have the situation where it's basically kabuke theater. basically, senate democrats have said he did it once, it
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backfired on him, he won't do it again. they've called his bluff effectively. i'm not sure i know or see his next leverage point. >> your reaction to the interesting mix of events in the house today from benjamin netanyahu and homeland security? >> i think netanyahu's speech was more important long-term. i came back from two weeks in israel. one of the things i found is that israeli hawks, 180 of them, these are the top people in their foreign policy and national security establishment, are all in the anybody but bibi camp in the march election. they think he's not representing the interest of the state of israel by politicizing their foreign policy. the former ambassador to the united states denounces as a
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cynical political move coming to the u.s. a lot of these guys are hawks on iran. they just think that he's going about it in the wrong way, and the only way to confront iran if they have all of the arab states and the president of the united states and prime minister of israel all on the same page, and they're not now. >> based on your two weeks now, if you have to place a bet now on the outcome of this election, is benjamin netanyahu re-elected? >> it is very close. conventional wisdom is he will win in the end, because the parliamentary math favors him, even if he doesn't get the most seats for the likud, he could still win. that happened in the past in 2009. but there is serious bibi fatigue in israel across the board right now. and a lot of experts figure it's quite possible that isaac herzog will be the next prime minister. >> what about the story about
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the spending scandals around netanyahu and his wife, will that be a factor? >> it's what everybody is talking about, but people are also not beating up on his wife, even though she's looking kind of like sarah palin at this point. most elections are defined by security, but they have terrible housing problems there now. and other economic problems. and the security issue doesn't all work for netanyahu. even though he wants it to, and he's playing that card hard. he could end up suffering from, you know, the recognition that these top people, the last three heads of mosad are all against him. >> hillary clinton has finished her speech and jonathan was as right as you could be, she didn't say a word about those
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and court employees on their official work e-mail accounts. joining me now, liz brown, criminal defense attorney, and msnbc's jermaine lee. liz brown, your reaction to the report? >> i think if we simply unpack one of those racist jokes that you referred to, we can get a sense of what the justice department report is going to say. one of the jokes, the punchline, the heinous punchline was that an african-american woman terminated her pregnancy and she was rewarded with $3,000 by crime stoppers. that was a joke passed along by police officers and other court officials. basically what this police institution was saying is that african-american people, women, give birth to criminals. and that is exactly what african-americans have been saying, that the police department, the institution
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practices discrimination based upon their color. think about it, it's an all-white police department talking about african-american women giving birth to criminals. it's heinous and it is exactly what the problem is, within ferguson and the surrounding region. >> what police departments always say about the disproportionate share of black arrestees, they are more involved in crime. but there's one statistic in here that i just think is absolutely indisputable evidence of a racist pattern of law enforcement. black drivers were twice as likely as white drivers to have their vehicles searched. but they were actually less likely to be found in possession of anything illegal. there's the statistical proof that what you're doing has no evidentiary base, it's based in race. >> what's scary is st. louis
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county is not unique. the same findings were found in new york. when you speak to people on the ground, they tell you how bad life really is. people are realing you all these things that are happening and until you look at what's happening, you don't realize how bad it is. being in ferguson puts you in danger and at risk with these confrontations with police. what's also striking is that in that report, they mention how in people are bitten by dogs. 14 of them, of all the cases of people bitten by police dogs, were african-americans. so to your point of, you're getting stopped more but 26% less likely to have contraband, getting bitten by dogs, getting stopped for things like manner of walking in the street, an officer sees you and doesn't like the manner which you're walking across the street.
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so we're waiting for the full report tomorrow. i can imagine this is only the tip of the iceberg. >> lizz brown, is this a statistical picture of what african-american residents of that community have always been feeling? >> absolutely. if we even step back from the statistics that have been released at this point, there was a report that came out last week saying that the state of missouri is number one in the children that are suspended from school. babies were number one in the nation. and in that region, lawrence, 30% of african-american elementary students are suspended from school. yes, there's a target on our back, and these statistics bear that out. >> and trymaine, in your conversations on the street there, it seems to me this is -- we're just saying it's an official government statement of the kinds of things you were hearing anecdotally from people. >> that's right.
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this is a good step. when you talk to folks, someone is finally paying attention, but they say it doesn't go for enough. it doesn't necessarily address the issues of police brutality. >> thank you both very much for joining us now. wish we had more time. up next, hardball with chris matthews. netanyahu, not too nice to president obama. let's play "hardball." good evening, i'm chris matthews in washington. big news night, of course, bibi makes his takeover bid saying he, not president obama should decide what's in america's interests. he, not president obama, should make the big decisions about this nation's security. this time he pushed a harder line with iran, and speaker