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comes up he's leaking fuel on the left side of his aircraft heavily. >> you said leaking fuel? >> a-firm. his wing is ruptured. >> what you're hearing there is the air traffic control conversation at laguardia airport from just late this morning, about four hours ago. delta flight 1086 attempted to land from atlanta. 132 people on board that plane. it skidded off the runway and into a fence and berm designed exactly for that sort of situation. if the plane had gone another two feet or so into the water, this would be a different sort of emergency entirely. >> the aircraft veered to the left. it never made contact with the water. arf response was there in minutes. the port authority police and arf train for this repeatedly during the last three weeks. there were two arf drills here at laguardia for exactly this circumstance. the pilot and the co-pilot's good efforts were reflected in the fact there were only minor injuries. >> the aftermath played out in realtime on social media.
you can see passengers evacuating the flight some without heavy winter coats. all 127 passengers and 5 crew members are safe. some were seen on gurneys with minor injuries. the fuel spill you heard air traffic control speak about was also deemed minor. the temperatures however, still dropping in what millions of americans are hoping is perhaps the final blast of this winter. we'll get a check on that major weather system, which created this emergency in just a moment. but first, msnbc's treymaine lee at laguardia. i want to bring in tom costello first. tom, can you talk to us about the protocols that kick in during this kind of emergency? >> let's first explain exactly where this happened. those stills are really so telling. this is runway 13 right here. and here is laguardia airport. so the plane is coming in to runway 13. here is flushing bay. so right about here, two-thirds of the way down the runway the plane suddenly veers to the left and it hits this berm.
it hits this bank. thankfully, that berm prevented it from going into the water. they've now closed this entire runway, runway 13 if you're going this way, 31 if you're coming this way. they would hope to start landing planes on this runway at some point this afternoon. that really depends on the weather. it depends on the situation on the ground. the ntsb is now going to be looking at a number of things. how fast was this plane coming in? when did they apply their brakes? when did they apply the thrust reversers? that's critical. why? because if you come in too hard and hit the thrust reversers too hard, especially on a situation where you have icy or snow-packed conditions and maybe a cross wind it's entirely possible you could literally lose control of the plane and it will kind of do a fish tail out from underneath you. that may have been and i underscore may have been what happened here. so the ntsb is going to be looking at speed, braking, thrust reversers, all of that.
we do know however, that just a few minutes before this plane landed, other pilots said they had good braking conditions on the runway. it had just recently been plowed. so there's a lot of questions now that the ntsb will have to get to. expect this runway to be closed i would think, at least through the day and probably part of tomorrow before they can open it back up. the protocol now, the faa and ntsb have this investigation. the ntsb has the lead. the port authority has cleared the scene. there are no longer any victims out there. there's no longer anybody out there that was a passenger or crew member on the plane. they've all been taken inside. they've transported a couple people to area hospitals just for a checkup. we're told the injuries are very minor. but i think that, you know, the bottom line of this is that berm served its purpose. it prevented a mass casualty emergency. and i would also say kudos to the port authority fire rescue teams who were there very quickly and who had just practiced responding to this
kind of an incident. they've practiced it twice in the last three weeks. so they were at the top of their game, it would appear. and thankfully they were not having to go after a fire or anything of that nature. this ended about as well as it could given the situation. the last point i would make of course, is that because of the weather we're experiencing in the northeast, we already had mass cancellations and also delays system wide. so now this just kind of adds to that problem and it's probably going to be a difficult 24 hours, 36 hours into and out of the big apple. back to you. >> nbc's tom costello. thank you for that reporting. we head to laguardia, where msnbc national correspondent treymaine lee is. can you tell us about this runway? was it properly cleared of snow and ice? >> no i can't get into whether the runway was properly cleared or not. when i spoke to passengers shortly after they made their way through the terminal they said as soon as they hit that
runway, they felt the skid as the speed accelerated. it was kind of a moment that they always feared. now, as the snow has kind of snowed down calm is settling into the terminal. yet, families and individuals are hunkering down for what very well may be an extremely long night. airport officials say they're not going to be opening up the terminal until at least 7:00. i think that's wishful thinking. as tom mentioned, cancellations all across the region because of the severe weather have kind of jammed the entire system. so thousands of flights have been canceled across the country, making things even more difficult and complicated. as folks are hunkering down, they're hoping they'll be able to get out of new york city soon. >> all right. thank you so much. we appreciate it. here with us now is former corporate pilot anthony roman. we appreciate your time today. help us understand what needs to happen at this airport in terms of closures and when they should look to reopen. >> as this airplane suffered the accident, the airport was closed
within 60 seconds based on the communication that i heard from the port authority police department. there seemed to be some disbelief, some denial by the air traffic controllers that this was happening because he simply questions the police officer and says we're closing runway 13? he said no close the airport. so that airport was closed right away. however, the ntsb and faa in concert with one another have reopened an additional runway simply because i believe the aircraft incident happened about 4500 feet near a mile down runway 13. so runway four is clear for landing. >> yeah, you look at this kind of situation. it is, of course better news to report on something where the passengers did emerge safe. although, a harrowing experience. we have some new sound of that. let's take a listen to passengers from today. >> all i know is we were in the
air, and then it was skiing. we landed. it started skiing. then it hit the side of the rail. and it went 400 yards. next thing that we knew it came to a halt. we all kind of went forward. after that, they evacuated us from the back. we got out in the back. >> i think the snow definitely had something to do with it because you can't slow down in snow. i'm not sure. the pilot didn't say anything after we landed or anything like that. so i'm not sure what was going on with that. >> does that sound like typical protocol? what do you make of those eyewitness accounts? >> yeah that sounds fairly typical. it seems that the port authority police and fire department at the airport performed immaculately in this circumstance, which is very very fortunate that there wasn't a fire. it appears the fuel which is in a wing tank was breached. that could result in a fire right away. it's highly flammable.
>> if you look at the photos the plane got incredibly close to going right in the water. maybe two feet or so more it would have gotten there. thanks to these berms that are made to stop something like this. laguardia is a very difficult airport to land in. talk about the importance of berms here. >> at the air speed that this aircraft is designated to land at about 160 miles an hour it requires about 4500 to 5,000 feet to stop. in contaminated conditions, it may take a little bit more. however, since it was at a very slow speed, the accident occurred somewhere around 4500 feet down the runway. since it was at a very slow speed, we have to credit that with the aircraft not crashing through that berm and ending up in the water. any faster if this happened any sooner, i think it would have been in the water. >> as abby referenced pilots historically have said laguardia is a difficult airport to land
at on a beautiful day. obviously these are much more challenging conditions. but why is it that this major american airport is known as difficult to land at? and why can't we do anything to change that? >> there are a number of factors. the runways are considerable here. there are 7,000 feet of runway. however, most modern major international airports runways are 10,000 feet. 3,000 feet more leaves a lot more room for error. as i said earlier, that aircraft needs 4500 feet to stop in good conditions. in bad conditions you can add 15 to 20%. and regardless of how well a runway is cleaned, there are always patches of contamination. always. they just simply can't remove everything. so you'll run into patches of ice along the runway. what a pilot does is attempt to
maintain control during that transition phase from flight to a land vehicle. the flight controls become less effective the slower the airplane is moving down the runway. now they rely more on the rudder control, which controls the nose wheel, and you just simply have two tires controlling this entire aircraft's direction. and if it hits an icy patch and it had a quartering left tail wind it could very well weather vane into the wind. >> frightening. >> absolutely. that's exactly why they're investigating right now, how prepared they were how prepared the roads were for the weather today, how icy they were. but another big part of this is fuel leakage in the plane. isn't that sort of the bigger narrative coming out of this? >> well there were two narratives. the fuel leakage is a post-crash concern. it's not so much that the fuel is flammable. it really is not. it's the vapors from the fuel
that are highly flammable and can create a flash fire right away. when a fire occurs you have 90 seconds to evacuate that aircraft. we saw it from this location that the rear exit was blocked simply because the aircraft was pivoted up and they couldn't open the rear emergency exit. some of the chutes did not deploy according to the port authority police. all of that will be investigated by the ntsb. >> something like this happens at lga, it closes down that airport, that has an impact on the entire american aviation system. so there's folks in san francisco whose planes are being delayed. they're not even flying to new york. they might not understand why. and part of what connects all that is air traffic controllers who have a very difficult job. for the most part they do an extraordinary job at it. we hear they are understaffed. when an emergency happens like this, how much more difficult does their job become? >> well the controllers at jfk, at boston at philadelphia who
would be receiving these spillover aircraft once the airport is closed have an incredibly difficult job. all of the controllers along all of those routes have to coordinate. and what you have is a cascading series of delays globally. because you have these international airports that are now feeder airports for an emergency. so it really becomes a handful. >> right. it becomes a national situation to get this airport open again. anthony roman, thank you once again for coming in today. let's head to the storm cycle weather center and msnbc meteorologist domenica davis. >> hi. yes, we're still talking about this snow. it's basically left from d.c. on up, which is good news. we still have some ways to go. here's a look at the temperatures right now. this is zoomed in over the new york area where we still have bands of snow. we're going to see that through the rush-hour commute. it is going to be a long rush hour for many folks in the northeast. temperatures are holding steady in the 20s. that's something we've seen all day long. so the icing is going to continue to be a concern.
here's a look at this wider system. you can see now coming up out of richmond, that's where we have the steady snow. through washington as well. dulles has picked up over 4 inches of snow and will see an additional couple of inches. in philly as weltl, closing in on the four-inch mark. the heaviest snow is down to the south. shelbyville, kentucky, 16 inches. louisville, over a foot they picked up. now, talking about long commutes, this is what we were looking at since last night into the morning. this is i-65. it basically coming out of tennessee, moving up through kentucky. you can see the car there is are stranded. many of them still stranded. that is a major problem, even though the weather has died down. temperatures are still cold there. this has been their past couple snowstorms they've seen in few weeks. it's a lot of snow for them. they are done with it. that is certainly good news. but still seeing the repurr cushions. here's a look at futurecast
radar. i want to show this because note the time. 5:00, here we are in the rush hour commute. washington, philadelphia new york luckily not boston but that i-95 corridor is going to be treacherous. the snow doesn't move out until the tail end of the commute. here we are at 6:00 and we're still on the backside of this. then by 8:00 we'll finally say good-bye to this system. but it is going to be a long evening for a lot of folks with still expected snowfall coming down before this system moves out. we could see an additional 1 to 4 inches along the i-95 corridor. the lesser amounts will be further up through new york. luckily, boston not getting hit with this system. >> all right. good meteorologist domenica davis. thank you for that. we'll continue to monitor the breaking news out of laguardia airport. but next, new developments in the hillary e-mail controversy. that's not going to quit any time soon. will a tweet be enough? i don't think so. plus, how it could all help the
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hillary clinton tweets about her e-mails. will it be enough? we're looking at the midnight tweet from hillary clinton about using her private e-mail address. she writes quote, i want the public to see my e-mail. the state department said it will take some time like months, to redact classified material and sift through all of them. but if they are private e-mails from a private server how can we be sure all e-mails are turned over? clinton's own staff decided that would be included in the 55,000 pages released to the state department in december. among those e-mails given to the state, 300 of them amassing to more than 800 pages related to the attack in benghazi that left u.s. ambassador dead. critics say those e-mails should not be given to the state department who by law should have already had them. so if you were able to follow all of this you have my admiration. let's get to the politics. here it is. how the clinton machine responds, and one tweet, will that be enough? hillary clinton and jeb bush are locked in a dead heat according to a new quinnipiac poll. for both the past could haunt
them. bush also owned his own e-mail server as governor of florida, but there was no law against it. of course he was not secretary of state. "time's" new cover story featured an in-depth cover story about how the bush dynasty has shaped jeb and may complicate his future. here with us is the author. the story is no longer about the e-mails but about how secretary clinton handles this controversy. as you know she's taken her time to announce her campaign. it might be later in the summer now. is that a disadvantage to her when something like this happens and she doesn't have the right team around her to help her get through it? >> it's certainly a disadvantage she doesn't have that infrastructure built in, the rapid response team. that said she's pretty well defended. we've seen over the past couple days some of her aides have been doing a fairly good job of aggressively combatting this story to a certain extent making themselves part of it, engaging in back-and-forth
e-mails. >> you think this story is going well for hillary? >> i'm saying it's not, but they're doing a good job of trying to diverting it away to hillary. >> where are they diverting it to? >> themselves the staff around her. they would rather talk about that than the substance of the e-mails. they'd rather talk about the pr. >> a big story like this happens a lot of folks say, i wonder what "the cycle" is going to say about that. they also say, i wonder what jon stewart is going to say about that. we heard him speak on it last night. >> oh, my god, oh my god, oh my god. what did she do? hit me with the bad news! >> it appears that while she was secretary of state, she did not have an official e-mail account at all. >> oh. >> you know that's got to be a
lot of folks' at home reaction. political class folks like you, oh my god. regular folks are like, what's the big deal? when you think about the financial advantage, the money advantage she has over everybody else that would be in the democratic primary and the structural advantage or factors that go into a general race and i'm not sure that democratic voters are going to stay home because do you think this is going to have an actual impact on her in the primary or the general? >> in the primary, certainly not. in the general, maybe. if you caveat it to the point of this isn't going to effect what republicans do, who probably won't vote for her any way. it's that bid in the middle. can you convince enough people in the democrat base that maybe they don't need to turn out for hillary. maybe republicans need to turn out at higher margins. that's half a percent sliver in the middle who haven't made up their mind. maybe this is too much of a '90s recall for them. >> personal e-mail krisystal,
it'll get you. >> that's why i only snapchat. >> because that's not a problem. >> that's what hillary needs to do. >> no problem there. >> let's turn to another 2016 contender, jeb bush who's the subject of your new "time" magazine cover story. the bush identity. talk to us about jeb bush's identity and how he fits into this storied family. in some ways this is the first moment post-w when a bush last name would be even at all advisable in politics. >> yeah we saw this a little bit last year. there's a poll that came out by gallup in june of last year that showed for the first time that the bush name was above water with voters above 50%. that's sort of the critical threshold. if it's below that he never would have been able to get into this race let alone get as far as he's been able to now. the brand obviously gets him the money. far and away the leader on the republican side in the race. blowing past president obama's records. >> really already? >> at the pace in the race in terms of how much he's raised at
this stage, it's -- >> but even republicans are saying, do we need a third bush? >> exactly. that's the downside. it's not even just the third bush. it's also the unique vulnerabilities that jeb brings with it. and that the bush clan brings to republican politics. things like common core no child left behind the iraq wars. these are all things republican voters have converted on. they're not big fans of it. you look at the rise of isis that's changed the dynamic. >> you mention isis. sometimes you read articles and go, i don't even know what that means. luckily we have you here to explain. i don't know what this means. you write, obama struggles to tame islamic extremist, refired the restoration instincts in republican politics. i don't know what that means. >> it was clear to me. >> thank you, krystal. >> i'd love to hear you explain it anyway. >> if you look at the bush clan it's an innately political family. they are very good at politics. barbara bush especially, sort of
known internally as the silver fox. you look at the just enough bushes line. that's a calculated move. she turns around on cue. >> she said that as a calculated thing to help him? >> how is this an explanation? >> how does this explain the islamic extremism? >> that just gets to the point of the bush family. >> guys, this is fascinateing. i'm more confused. >> when abby says it's fascinating, it means we're out of time. >> it's an interesting read. gets into his family. check it out. >> thank you for being with us. up next we'll get you caught up on the other big headlinings today, including a new development today in the jodi arias case. stick with us. with end rounded bristles so brushing doesn't scratch gums and angled perfectly to remove 90% of plaque for a healthier smile.
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escaped the death penalty today for the murder of her ex-boyfriend seven years ago. the jury failed to agree on a sentence for the second time and the judge declared a mistrial. sobbing could be heard from the victim's family when the jury announced they were deadlocked. the judge will now decide if arias will spend life in prison or be eligible for parole in 25 years. and right now, day two of the boston bombing trial under way. more witnesses on the stand in the case against dzhokhar tsarnaev. one of the men who admits to planting that bomb. nbc's re-heehema ellis is outside the courtroom. yesterday was very emotional. what are the big headlines from today? >> more riveting testimony from victims, including one who went back to this courtroom today, rebecca gregory. she described in very tearful detail how she was injured. she lost a leg in this bombing attack. overnight she posted images and a message on her facebook page which talked about her confronting her fear which is
the defendant. listen to what she said today. >> i want him to look in the eyes of the people that he hurt that day. so i kept looking at him, hoping that i could just catch his eyes one time and he would not look at me. not once. >> also in the courtroom today testifying is the father of an 8-year-old who was killed in this blast, the father is bill richard. he's on the stand as we speak. as you know, we have people inside the courtroom who are sharing information with me. one of the things that they said was that bill richard was shown a photograph of the area where he and his family were standing near the finish line of the marathon. he said in court as he's shown this image of tsarnaev who's standing behind a row of children, and he identifies one of the children is his son, martin richard. he described also the sound of the blast. he said it was piercing. and he says he was blown into
the street. once again, his son, 8-year-old martin, was killed in this blast. his daughter was also injured. she lost a leg. he continues to be on the stand at this moment. i should also tell you that of all the witnesses who testified today, none of them have been cross examined by the defense. guys, back to you. >> all right rehema ellis, thank you so much. now to an update on the news that broke here on "the cycle" yesterday. michael brown's family plans to file a civil lawsuit against officer darren wilson. this in spite of the justice department's decision. >> they don't accept this self-defense theory. they believe there were plenty of witnesses who came forward that saw what they saw. everything is on the table. without question they have the right to state actions, but they also have the right to individual civil actions under the federal law as well. >> and protesters also dissatisfied with the doj's
decision demonstrating outside the ferguson police department last night and called for an overhaul of the entire force. yesterday attorney general eric holder outlined a pattern of racial bias and excessive force by ferguson police. >> a community where this harm frequently appears to stem in part from racial bias both implicit and explicit. in this context, a highly toxic environment, defined by mistrust and resentment stoked by years of bad feelings and spurred by illegal and misguided practices, it's not difficult to imagine how a single tragic incident set off the city of ferguson like a powder keg. >> one ferguson city employee has been fired, and two more are on leave. the mayor is not yet convinced the police chief needs to go. so where does this leave all of us? jeff smith is a former missouri state senator and assistant professor of politics at the new school. eugene o'donnell is a former
nypd officer and professor of law and police studies. the big news that came out yesterday was darren wilson not charged. the ferguson police department was charged. there was a sense of this new chapter could begin. we could focus on the most important part of this which is the problems that exist at the ferguson police department. as we saw last night, not everyone is ready to move on here. is it important that the police chief needs to step down? is that a way that all of us can then move forward? >> this is really a political issue at bottom. the senator can address those issues. the police issues are also shocking. the idea of 95% of the jaywalking tickets in a town that's not particularly violent versus other towns that african-americans would have the brunt of that. i think there's a message here for the whole american police establishment that they got to be not cocooned here. there's a lot of police chiefs who think we're doing great. sort of like radio shack
management. guys, have you stepped outside your office and heard what people have to say? honestly camden new jersey shuttered its police department. the municipalities or the police -- you can't just operate a police department. it's a big deal. it's different than filling potholes. you can't have these failed departments just rolling on. there has to be some consequences if these agencies are not on top of these things. clearly, no matter how you slice it if the community has such disdain for your department how do you measure anything other than failure in that context. >> jeff jooueugene points to the shocking nature of these statistics in the report. although, i suspect if you ask folks like yourself and folks there in the community, they wouldn't be shocked at all. one thing i found really remarkable is they found not just implicit racism but explicit officially encouraged racism including some horrifying racist e-mails that were being forwarded around this
police department. by the way, no one was ever fired for them. all those individuals are still in place. were you surprised by anything here? given what you know about surrounding area are there other municipalities that are just as bad as ferguson? >> sadly, i wasn't that surprised by anything i saw yesterday. it was very striking, i know to you and others who forwarded some of those e-mails to me immediately when they were uncovered, saying how can this be tolerated by other people in the department? in a lot of these places that was just so pervasive as part of the culture. so i would say that there are other municipalities many others, whose behavior is at least as egregious as that of ferguson. in ferguson anywhere between 10% and 20% of their revenue came from traffic court. but in neighboring municipalities, they've been receiving from 40% to 52% of their total budget from these types of stops.
ferguson, while it's been in the news, is by no means the worst offender. >> eugene the attorney general spoke about yesterday how this is not just about ferguson. it's a nationwide problem. certainly it's not uncommon to folks at all in live in detroit, l.a., oakland, anywhere in these united states. we're talking in this report about widespread racial bias leading to discriminatory treatment, leading toward detrimental traumatic impact on many, many black people's lives who are supposed to be protected and served by this police department. surely there are many many good cops, but we see this sort of racial bias far too often. why is it sir? you've been there, done that. why is it we see racial bias from some police officers? >> there's definitely a leadership issue. one of the troubling aspects of this is that you have this either/or situation. either you have a police department that's capricious and just goes out will nilly and
enforces laws often in a discriminatory manner or you have a department that completely stands down which is another issue. cities where people are being killed. there's nobody solving the crimes. the cops get there an hour late. if you're in minority america, this is a stark choice you shouldn't have to make. we have to get a country together where you can simultaneously have good policing, they're engaging people doing bad things to bad people, but this is the worst of all scenarios, a department in a town that's not particularly problematic, that's pouring on the full enforcement against people jaywalking. this is a department that's stopping pedestrians illegally and documenting it and doesn't realize you can't do that. and the counter to that okay we're not going to do anything that's not acceptable either. we have to be able to simultaneously do both of these things. protect people, treat them with respect. that should be the imperative that comes out of this. >> the other piece of this, jeff, is when you talk to folks
who don't study this generally, there's a presumption that police are involved in solving crimes and the suspects they deal with are involved in often committing crimes. and that's a fine working assumption. plenty of times where that's true. what struck me about this report yesterday was how it documented factually, again, with ferguson pd's own records, not an outside narrative, how often it was the police involved in unauthorized or illegal activity and the suspects standing there getting caught up in it. the reason provided and tell me if this tracks with what you've experienced, the reason provided was that well there was a deliberate effort not to go out and find crimes where they occurred but to puff up and imagine and sometimes falsify crimes in order to raise revenue for the county. >> a lot of these towns are desperate for revenue. in north st. louis county they've seen a mass exodus of people going out further to some exerbs. a couple of the biggest shopping
malls have closed over the last decade of two. given the decline in property revenues, these towns are starved for revenue. a lot of these towns shouldn't exist. some of them only have a couple hundred people. we really need a mass consolidation here in st. louis county. there's no way you should have 90 municipalities in a county with a million people and more than half of them have their own public safety apparatuses. fire departments, police forces. it's too expensive to maintain. that accounts for the pressure that's led to this. >> if we consolidated, that would make a lot of this better? >> that would improve it. of course, it wouldn't get rid of racism. it wouldn't solve these e-mails and things we're hearing. the way that a lot of this racism is manifested it's felt on the ground with this hyper aggressive enforcement is really a product of the decimation of these communities financially. so we can take some of that pressure off with consolidation. >> great point. jeff smith eugene o'donnell, thank you both. >> thank you. >> up next an unprecedented study reveals the most divided
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we are back with the latest on today's breaking news. one runway at new york's laguardia airport is now opened after a delta flight carrying 127 passengers and 5 crew crashed into a barrier during landing. the ntsb is also heading to the scene. it happened about four hours ago now in. photos show just how close that plane came to ending up in the water. rescue crews evacuated the plane quickly due to a fuel leak. that fortunately was determined to be minor. buses were brought in to move passengers to the terminal. nearly two dozen people on board did suffer minor injuries. two passengers were taken to local hospitals to be treated. one passenger described the harrowing moments, saying quote, as soon as we landed we started skidding we bounced up, and the pilot threw on the brakes. that's when we started skidding
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the rich and poor occupy completely different worlds, even within the same town. in the nation's three largest metro areas are also some of the most segregated. friend of the show richard florida is director of the martin prosperity institute and joins us now. richard, tell us a little bit, broad strokes, about your findings. we're going to dig into them more in a moment. also, why this matter why does economic segregation, why is that an important phenomenon to study? >> as you know this country has been consumed by a conversation about inequality. inequality has grown. it's devastating, and it has terrible effects for everyone who's experiencing it. but one of the things we found is that this inequality isn't an ab tract phenomenon. it's literally baked into our cities and our neighborhoods. when we looked at this economic segregation, we looked at it by income levels by the level of education people have, and by the kinds of work they do. do you do a high-paid knowledge
or management job? do you do a low-paid service job? what we found is not only is segregation growing, but it's hardening in places across the country. you know four of the most segregated metros in the united states are in texas. but also as you said our big cities new york, los angeles, and chicago, show very high and increasing levels of economic segregation. >> let's dig into that point. austin, you say, is the most segregated city in america. orlando is the least segregated. so if you and i went and took a visit, say a three, four-day visit in austin and then orlando, how would we see those differences manifested? >> well we'd see people living in different kinds of neighborhoods. you know i know austin really well. it takes -- it's an east-west divides. if you live on one side of the city, you live around highly educated, high-income techies or musicians. if you live on the -- who are mainly white or maybe somewhat
multicultural. if you live on the other side of the city you live in a poor neighborhood, served by schools that aren't nearly as good with much less public service, in an area that's largely hispanic and black. one of the things we're finding is in our country, even people who live in the same city it's not just inequality by socioeconomic class. even people when live in the same city even if it's an affluent city -- austin is one of the most successful tech cities in the country. even if it's an affluent city we see this divide reinforced people living in completely different universes. >> you both mentioned the state of texas. cities in that state top your list when it comes to economic segregation. houston's number four. austin, number one. i sat down with rick perry about a year ago, and i asked him what he thought about raising the minimum wage. here's what he told me. >> so you support raising it just not at the federal level? >> listen if somebody wants to raise somebody's salary that's not my business.
and it shouldn't be government's business to be mandating what people pay individuals out there. if you want to kill jobs raise the minimum wage. >> so richard, if raising the minimum wage is going to be part of the way that we bridge this divide, and if it's not politicians and government that do that whose responsibility is it? >> first of all, perry's comment, as you know is nonsensical. we know from all of the good research done on this by the leading economists at berkeley the university of massachusetts, that raising that minimum wage to 50% or 60% of the local prevailing wage in a place like austin or san francisco, that's about $15 an hour. somebody could live, not great, but they could live on that. that has no ill effect no ill effect on workers' jobs or the local economy. look, as a society, we've got to lift up the bottom. we know that's the problem. one thing this report points out is the problem isn't the top 1%. that's an issue.
the problem is at the lagging bottom. i understand we have a lot of attention going to the 1%. but as a country, we need to pay attention to the people who are falling further and further behind and lift them up. one very good way to do that is by raising that local minimum wage. >> all right. richard florida, we always appreciate your time. thank you so much. >> great to be with you guys. >> and up next we'll give whole new meaning to dear abby. etly as possible. no sudden movements. google search: bodega beach house. [ male announcer ] legalzoom has helped start over 1 million businesses. if you have a business idea, we have a personalized legal solution that's right for you. with easy step-by-step guidance, we're here to help you turn your dream into
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