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seniors and students and working families they're giving this windfall break to a very few families. and the problem is we've got to increase the income gap and the wealth gap is compounded even further through the inherited wealth. >> all right. >> that's not america. that's not where everyone gets a chance to make it on their own merits. >> you bet. congressman, good to have you with us tonight. have a great easter weekend. i appreciate your time on "the ed show." "politics nation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. good evening, rev. >> good evening, ed. thanks to you for tuning in. tonight's lead -- hillary clinton, welcome to brooklyn. 2.5 million people home of the brooklyn bridge coney island and junior's cheesecake. a place of history and new energy. today the whole world knows about brooklyn cool. >> it is good to be back in
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brooklyn. >> larry king was born here so was jay-z, barbra streisand, and even a certain alfred sharpton. it's the borough of big dreams where anything is possible. that's right. anything is possible. and mrs. clinton hopes that includes a successful presidential run. that's right. hillary clinton's campaign has signed a lease for offices in brooklyn heights, right near the brooklyn bridge. that counts as official campaign business which means mrs. clinton has just 15 days before she's required to file a campaign committee. but she's not the only one hitting the trail. senator ted cruz has been campaigning all week since becoming the first candidate to declare his candidacy. senator rand paul joins the gop field on tuesday.
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senator marco rubio's got a big announcement in miami the monday after. and then it's just a matter of days before mrs. clinton has to make it official. she's already made one trip to brooklyn this week to speak at an event on early childhood development. here's what she said about a return visit. >> secretary, can we expect you back in brooklyn? your headquarters here, possibly? >> all in good time. >> turns out all in good time means see you pretty soon. joining me now is politico's annie carnie who broke the news on the clinton campaign headquarters, and former pennsylvania governor and dnc chair, ed rendell. thank you both for being here. >> my pleasure rev. >> thanks for having me. >> annie, let me go to you first. what can you tell us about the headquarters? >> the headquarters are on the
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border of brooklyn heights and downtown brooklyn. they've taken two floors. run of the mill 16-store office building owned by forest city ratner a developer that's been a big document doaner in the past. >> right. >> unfortunately for the reporters who probably want to camp out there, i think the website says they have a 24-hour doorman lobby attendant so we can't sneak in there and see what they're doing. but it gives her close to 12 subway lines, 12 bus lines, easy commute to manhattan. cheaper rents than manhattan, which is probably part of the draw, if you want to have your campaign in five boroughs this was a cheaper -- >> and to give her more of a neighborhood type of look. what are the advantages in terms of the political optics and the national projection for her headquartering in brooklyn? >> brooklyn as we said has the sheen of cool. it gives her a proximity to mayor bill de blasio who is a
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longtime supporter of hers and who she hopes will be a powerful progressive surrogate for her as she tries to bring in the progressive side of the party. brooklyn is fast becoming a bastion of democratic politics. chuck schumer's from brooklyn who will be likely the leader of his party in the senate. brooklyn was a finalist to get the dnc. governor rendell is probably happy to tell us philadelphia beat new york. >> you didn't get the clinton headquarter, governor but you got the democratic national convention. so it can't be all bad. >> no not at all. >> what do you think picture look of her coming out of brooklyn than washington like the last time. do the optics of that matter politically to voters? >> i think that this neighborhood is good it's a hip neighborhood, a young neighborhood, brooklyn heights is one of the fastest growing
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sort of young millennial neighborhoods in the country. hillary clinton -- it's a myth i think, that hillary clinton doesn't connect with young voters. we did a hillary event a year ago in philadelphia and we did a high end event and then we did a $20.16 event and we got 450 young people to come and pay $20.16 and all they got what they heard from me and they had a cutout of hillary, a life-sized cutout of hillary they could get their picture taken to. hillary does well with young voters particularly women. it's a neighborhood image, a hip image, it fits and good that she'll be out campaigning. it's time. >> governor a new "washington post" poll looked at what people would like to see in our next president. 58% want someone who tries to compromise. 59% want someone who favors government action on climate
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change change. and 51% wants a president who supports path to citizenship. so american people's policies line up a lot more with hillary clinton's than say, jeb bush or ted cruz don't they? >> there's no question. and it was very revealing that in that poll the biggest factor where the most americans wanted action was on climate change which most of the republican party still denies exists. it still denies is a problem. but i think the thing that was best in there are for hillary was 58%, almost 6 out of 10 americans want someone who has the ability to compromise and get government moving again. if you look at hillary clinton's career in the senate that's what it was all about. she reached out to the orrin hatches and the people on the other side of the aisle and got things done. i think she has an innate ability to do just that. i think she'll be a president that has the best opportunity to bring the country together.
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and i think the poll will reflect that's exactly what the american people want. >> annie, we know the clock's ticking on an announcement from mrs. clinton, but they made an interesting point, how will she do it. ted cruz announced he's running for president on twitter. rand paul revealed that he's -- he revealed his on a snapshot in a facebook post. hillary clinton made a big youtube announcement in 2008. what do you think she'll do this time annie? >> i wish i knew and had that scoop. what she's going to do is a closely guarded secret. i think they're still working on it. i think honestly there's no answer to that right now. there's no question it will involve a social media aspect twitter, facebook meerkat or whatever is the latest thing. shortly after that we've been hearing that she'll be going to the early states like iowa and new hampshire and meeting voters in small --
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>> like a listening tour we hear. >> but that will have to be accompanied by a social media aspect. what that is whether it will be a tweet, i don't know and i don't know if they know yet. i think it's being worked out. >> governor does the clintons have to deal with the perception that they are return to the past and try to go out of their way to do younger more trendy kind of things to show that they are not representing 15 20 years ago? >> well sure and i think those things are things we try to create perception but i think even more than those type of events -- and the there certainly should be some of them -- i think what she talks about, she should talk about the future of this country and where we want to go. she should talk about where this country is going to be 25 years down the road. one of the things that i think is the worst about our government is we've gotten into the habit of kicking problems down the road. we kick the can down for another
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six months or eight months. we need a president with a vision for the future. and i think it's important that she enunciate that vision. i think that's even more important than sort of the feel or the texture or the perception of the campaign. but you'll see them do a lot of things that will appeal to young voters, and i'd like to ask the question, what in god's name is meerkat? meerkat? >> it's a -- you can live stream video on the internet. i don't know much about it. >> that's encouraging if annie doesn't know about it. annie, what is going to be different about -- what are you hearing may be different about this campaign as opposed to 2008? >> a lot. i think for one thing, from what she's been saying in these paid speeches she's been giving she's been highlighting her work with women and girls. she obviously wants to make the historic nature of her run to be the first woman president.
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something she's going to talk about. she wants to talk about it this time. last time she didn't really talk about it until the end, her famous line about putting 18 million cracks in the glass ceiling. this time she, i think the four years the state department gave her the toughness that she now has bought a little slack to talk about being a grandmother, talk about women's issues talk about being a woman and the country might be more ready for it this year. so that's one difference in how she's going to go about this. i mean we're in an entirely different place. but i think we're looking at when she announces, we know she's going to run. she's got a headquarters and a lease, she's got a campaign staff that are currently working as volunteers. everything is in place. what we don't know is what she's going to say about why she wants to be president. that's what's at stake with this announcement. not just optics. >> the reason to run. >> she has to tell us what her reason to run is right now.
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>> we don't know that but we know we'll be listening. annie karni and governor ed rendell, thank you for your time tonight. both of you have a great weekend and a happy easter. >> thank you. >> you too. coming up the gop freakout over president obama's plan for iran. he's gearing up for a fight over war and peace and his legacy also. also this -- a man freed after 30 years on death row. how does this happen? and how do we stop it from ever happening again? >> when you think you are high and mighty and you're above the law, you don't have to answer to nobody. but i got news for you. everybody that played a part in sending me to death row, you will answer to god. that's all i have to say. >> also think the fight over discrimination is over? think again. there's a new battleground tonight.
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the ink's not even dry on the iran nuclear deal and republicans are already trying to undermine it and it's getting ugly. the deal was 18 months in the making. six nations pressuring iran into major concessions that cut off its path to a bomb. one sign of how tough it is the reaction of iran's hard-liners, complaining it's a bargain for the west and a disaster for iran. now president obama's urging republicans to measure their response to the deal carefully. >> if congress kills this deal not based on expert analysis and without offering any reasonable
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alternative, then it's the united states that will be blamed for the failure of diplomacy. international unity will collapse and the path to conflict will widen. >> it's a call to diplomacy over politics. in the service of peace. but the response from republicans? >> this is a complete capitulation for the united states, a sad day for our country and the hope for world peace. the only blame deserved right now is the blame that president obama deserves for putting iran on the path to a nuclear weapon. >> senator tom cotton on the attack. and that's just the start. senator ted cruz says quote, it's a grim day for america." congressman michael mccall says the deal has, quote, a greater cost than the world can bear. and senator mark kirk says quote, neville chamberlain got a better deal from adolf hitler. this is about war and peace, but
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too many republicans are reverting to ugly rhetoric in an attempt to score political points, and it could have real consequences. joining me now is congressman iman walee emmanuel cleaver. thanks for being here. >> sure, good to be with you. >> the details of this plan are just 24 hours old. what do you make of the republicans racing to attack? >> well -- and keep in mind that the details that republicans are able to see that all of us are able to see is just the beginning. it's a broad outline of a deal with iran. we still have six more months to develop a more comprehensive plan including a difference in the interpretation of the nonproliferation treaty. the situation is this -- nobody's offering any alternative. if this is bad and they predict that whatever comes out in six months is going to be bad, what they're saying is we want to go to war. it's easy to go to war if all you have to do is go to your
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sofa and watch the war on the evening news. this is not something that is going to be helpful for the united states down through the long tunnel of time because we are weakening the president. not just obama but presidents in the future. if congress is going to step in and disrupt treaty negotiations. >> now, congressman, before the details were even finalized, governor scott walker said he would get rid of the potential agreement if he wins the white house. listen to this. >> you would cancel any iranian deal that the obama administration made. now would you cancel it even if our trading partners did not want to reimpose the trading sanctions? >> absolutely. if i ultimately choose to run and if i'm honored to be leekted by the president of the country i will pull back on that january 20, 2017 because i think the last thing not just for the region but for this world we need is a nuclear-armed iran. >> it implies republicans are
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going to keep fighting this deal for years to come. is that where we're headed congressman? >> well unfortunately, they do that a lot. they're going to be fighting the affordable care act, i think i've heard up until 3017. so this is going to continue. but here's the problem that i hope that the people of the united states will understand -- that should disqualify someone for the presidency what governor walker just said. the reason is we have allies in this treaty or the development of this treaty with iran. and many of them are going to be able to enter into an agreement. so even if we back away we're going to have our european partners involved with the treaty with iran. we've had 35 years of hostility with iran. this is a good time to stop it. and the european nations are going to begin to trade with iran and breaking the economic boycott because the people who did the negotiations for them are not hated at home.
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and i think we're getting to the point now where, you know war is preferable to working with a particular president. and i think it's dangerous for the country. it's dangerous for the world. and it's also dangerous for israel. >> let's walk through some of the details of this plan's framework. iran would cut back on its nuclear stockpile. it would let inspectors into all nuclear facilities and its supply chain. it would ship its spent reactor fuel out of the country. in turn the u.s. and u.n. would ease some economic sanction. now, many experts are saying this deal is even is even better than expected. what do you think, congressman? >> it's better than expected because a component of this deal is inspection. so we will have the ability to do what we have not been able to do, and that is inspect facilities including some of the
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spaces that we think the iranians may have been hiding some work on uranium, but what i hope we can do is celebrate the fact that we have been able to bring the rogue of the middle east into the family of nations, and i don't think we're going to get any more better deal. i mean this is about 97% of what everybody thought they wanted until we got it and then all of a sudden i think people are concerned that it might somehow accrue to the benefit of the obama legacy and so they're willing to scrap a deal with iran that i think the whole world has been wanting to happen. >> well it seems like it's more rather than what we got than who got what we got and wanted. congressman emanuel cleaver, thank you for your time tonight. have a great weekend and happy
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we're back with a story that's raising new disturbing questions about death row justice in this country. this morning after nearly 30 years on death row, anthony ray hinton walked out of a birmingham jail and into the arms of his sister. these were his first moments of freedom. >> thank you, dear god! thank you lord! thank you. >> it's been a long road for
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hinton. 30 years ago he was convicted of two murders even though there was no eyewitnesses and no physical evidence. the only evidence was a supposed link between crime scene bullets and a gun taken from his mother's home. last year the u.s. supreme court finally ordered a retrial. and then a judge dismissed the case after new forensic experts found they could not link those bullets to the hinton gun. hinton has always maintained his innocence. this morning he spoke to the victims' family who today still don't have justice. >> i want to say to the victims' family, i will continue to pray for you just as i have for 30 years. a miscarriage of justice not only to me but to the victims' families. >> he also had some strong words for the people who put him behind bars for nearly three
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decades. >> when you think you are high and mighty and you're above the law, you don't have to answer to nobody but i got news for you. everybody that played a part in sending me to death row, you will answer to god. that's all i have to say. >> we reached out to the district attorney's office for comment and have yet to receive a response. joining me now is the lawyer who helped secure anthony hinton's freedom and executive director of the equal justice initiative brian stevenson. thank you for joining me tonight, mr. stevenson. >> i'm delighted to be with you. >> first of all, how is mr. hinton doing after his emotional release today? >> you know he's doing well. it's a real triumph. it's wonderful to finally be free, but it's also really challenging. the state took something from him that they can't give back.
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and we've known for years that he should be released that there was no evidence to sustain his conviction and death sentence, and the state was really indifferent. i think that resistance to doing what's right, what's clearly the responsible thing is a really really provocative reality to have to manage. but he's so grateful to be home he's so happy to be back with his family and his friends, although this is a tragedy as much as a triumph. >> 30 years later. let me ask you what prompted you to take up this case? >> well i know that we have a system in this country that treats you better if you're rich and guilty than if you're poor and innocent ands's also been clear to me that without effective help in these kinds of cases, you're doomed. when he reached out to me i was hoping we could take it on. we got the space to take it on. as soon as i read the record and looked at the evidence, it
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became very clear that he had been wrongly convicted. we got the best experts in this country to look at this evidence and they said no way was this gun involved in these crimes. >> the timeline here i want to go over. because the timeline here is disturbing. >> yeah. >> mr. hinton was originally convicted in 1986. in 2002 you presented new evidence showing the gun didn't match the bullets at the crime scene. but it took another 12 years for the u.s. supreme court to grant him a new trial. why did it take so long? >> well actually we presented that evidence to them in 2000. we went to the state prosecutor we went to the attorney we said look at this evidence it absolutely shows that this man did not commit this crime. what we invited them to do was simply retest it and let them come to their own conclusion. and they absolutely refused to do it. they were unwilling to acknowledge even the possibility of a mistake, and that meant that they kept fighting us.
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every state court we went to said denied. we went to court of criminal appeals, the alabama supreme court and it took that long to get to the u.s. supreme court, and it was only when that court intervened that we could actually get the case back to the trial court and still they would not do the testing, they would not concede that this man was wrongly convicted. it's only after -- >> they wouldn't even do the testing? >> no sir. >> what was his state of mind? how was hinton handling all this? because he's in jail knowing he didn't do anything wrong. >> yeah that's right. well it's deeply challenging. when you put somebody in prison it's a terrible terrible challenge, but when you put somebody in prison for something they didn't do it's an unbearable challenge. not only was he in prison he was on death row. he was locked into a cell 5x8 in solitary confinement where every day for the past 30 years they were trying to kill him. during the time he was on death row there were 50 executions,
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and mr. hinton would sometimes talk about smelling flesh burning when they were using the electric claire in the '80s and '90s. and talk about the pain of seeing people he talked with being executed. >> did he ever give up? did he ever act like he couldn't take it any more? >> there were times when it was very, very frustrating. bus he's a remarkable human being. i'll tell you, rev, in my 30 years of representing people on death row, i never represented anybody who generated more support, more good will more fans among the correctional staff than anthony ray hinton. he's a remarkable man in that sense in that he kept his faith, he kept his hope and even in the darkest moments found a way to continue to believe that one day we'd get to where we are today. >> what's next for mr. hinton in this case? will the state pay him some kind of restitution? >> well alabama's one of these states that does not provide any kind of compensation mechanism that is automatic. we'd have to jump through a lot
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of hoops to get them to own up to this and it's not clear whether they will or not. we're going to try to get him oriented let him catch his breath, get settled with his freedom and then we'll talk about next steps. but unfortunately we're one of the states that does not automatically accept responsible for these kinds of injustices and try to create some kind of compensation or creation. and that's one of the other problems that we face here. >> wow. what has he told you he wants to do with his life now? >> well he's a remarkable person. i think he wants people to know what happened. i think he wants to educate people. i think his case is a case study in all of the problems we have in this criminal justice system in this country and i think he'll be a powerful voice to shape the reforms that need to happen. >> bryan stevenson, thank you for your time tonight and for the important work that you do. >> thank you, sir. now, let's bring in prosecutor and legal analyst paul henderson. thank you for being here paul.
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>> thanks for having me rev. >> what's your reaction to what you just heard about this case? >> you know it's disappointing, but you know i also have to say no good no moral prosecutor wants to see innocent people convicted of crimes. and in order for our justice system to actually work and for people to have reliability in it it has to be fair for everyone. so i actually look at this case and i'm encouraged that as forensics and as technology is evolving, one of the things that is happening is that in addition to having more solid convictions, we are having this substantive review of cases and appeals where information is being brought forward so that -- >> well, we've got to be willing to use it. prosecutors have got to be willing to be even more objective. even mr. hinton expressed outrage over how long it took for the state to look at his
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case. watch this. >> all of us that say that we believe in justice, this is the case to start showing. because i shouldn't sit on death row 30 years. all they had to do was test the gun. >> all they had to do is test the gun. i mean 30 years and the state was unwilling to look into evidence. >> well that is true. and in many of these cases, you know, like i said as technology and as forensics advance throughout the years and we certainly have made great strides in the past 30 years, the tools that are being used today to gain convictions are also being used on the flip side to examine prior convictions and many of these appeals are being examined with new scrutiny because of these advances. and so you know while it is a tragedy -- >> let me give you some data on that. >> yeah. >> because you're right. it's not an isolated issue here paul. with this case.
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in the last -- look at this. there's been a total of 337 exonerations in the united states with exxonerees serving an average of 14 years in prison for crimes they didn't commit. rather than the timeframe, just look at those numbers. how can the country address these kinds of injustices? >> you know it depends on the lens that you look at them. you say that there are 300 that have been overturned and while i think that that's very important because it does show we do have a checks and balance system that mean when there is a conviction there is still a review and there's still that possibility that if a conviction was wrongfully attained that it can be overturned but convictions take place every day that are just and are fair. so when i look at a case like this, to me it says at one level the system is working. now that doesn't mean that there isn't room for improvement, and
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this is a tragedy that has taken place in terms of what happened in this case. but hopefully, as forensics evolves, as technology evolves, we will have less of these things happening as we move forward and stop looking back to see -- >> yeah but i guess that paul. >> yeah. >> but a lot of people including me think a lot more needs to be done. because not only do you have a victim and people like this gentleman that lost 30 years of his life i did a story the other night on another gentleman in louisiana. >> i saw that story, yeah. >> the people that were the victims, the family members of the murdered they're still victims because the guilty people got away. and that in my judgment is something that we ought to really look at. not only are you putting away the wrong people you're freeing the wrong people who may commit crimes again. paul henderson, thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you so much for having me, rev. coming up new fight over discrimination.
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report," political science professor jason johnson, and legal analyst midwin charles. it's been a week of controversy over the so-called religious freedom bills in indiana and arkansas, and today more headlines. here's the front page of a leading north dakota paper. it shows lawmakers voted against a measure that would protect gays from discrimination and in maine a state republican is pushing a bill similar to indiana's. already this issue is putting national republicans on the spot. jeb bush had to back pedal after first supporting the indiana law. will others flip-flop? susan, can republicans run for president hiding from this in 2016? >> no i don't think they can. and it's really remarkable how quickly public opinion has moved on this issue and continues to move. it was only 11 years ago that
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the gay marriage issue was a problem for john kerry. now things have changed completely where if you're against gay marriage, you look like the one who is looking backwards. honestly in general this is some of the problems these candidates have, is in an effort to get the primary vote get the conservatives and the activists and the primary vote that they're going to go into a general election as the candidate who is looking backwards instead of looking into the future. so i do think it would be problematic for them. >> jason, isn't that what is so dicey, that you have such an extreme in the primaries in terms of the republican party, but such a shift in the american populous when and if you're the one that gets to the general election. how do you navigate that? >> well you navigate it by understanding nuance. if you're charitable trust did a poll two years ago 2012245 said you still have about 44% of americans that think that homosexuality is a sin but 60% of americans still think that gay americans should be accepted
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and have equal rights. people understand there's a difference between their private prejudices and people beping able to live their lives. any smart republican will be able to make that distinction rather than wasting the state's time by bullying a bunch of people without nonsense of gay people forcing bakers to make cakes they don't like. >> 2004 when i ran, midwin they used, as susan said the issue of same-sex marriage and gay couples in one sense it is completely reversed now. and this issue is one that the right and the republicans wish hadn't come up when they were the ones that were using it in 2004. >> i think you're right. 37 states and the district of columbia issue marriage licenses to gay couples. so 72% of the united states population is living under a law that allows gay people to marry. so this is something that has really done an about-face here
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in the united states. and any republican that is against this issue, as your other speaker says seems to be way beyond the times. >> all right. let's go to the next topic. france banning superskinny models from the catwalk. the french parliament today approving a measure targeting agencies that use models who are considered too thin. modeling agencies oppose the measure, but lawmakers are moving ahead anyway. though they haven't defined exactly how thin is too thin. midwin, do you think the government is overstepping here? >> i don't thing thek the government is everystepping here. there is an issue that girls have to deal with when they model. when you look at a lot of these models now, they look ill. forget about being thin. they just look ill, they do not look healthy. i appreciate the government sort of taking a stand and stepping forth and letting people know
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that this image is not acceptable. girls are harming themselves in order to fit into this mold so that they can model and that's something that i'm glad this government is stepping in and saying, you know what? we're not going to stand for this. we are going to speak up. and we are going to protect our girls. i know that men also -- male models deal with this issue, too, but the pressure is more on girls to fit into this mold. and it's an impossible body image to maintain. >> susan? >> well my understanding of this proposed law is that they would be fining the models themselves, which seems to me to be blaming the victim here. there is a great deal of pressure for them to be very very thin, but blaming them would be like fining an nfl player for getting a concussion. i mean, we should go to the people who are putting these demands on these models. >> jason? >> i'm sorry, this is another example of does no one have anything better to do? like there are poor people in france, they've got immigration
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problems they've got economic problems. and the most important thing that their legislator can think of is to chase around a bunch of anemic looking 14-year-olds and tell them how they should dress. >> well that's a problem right there. i mean 14-year-old anorexic girls is serious. >> -- to address larger problems in society. look at health education. >> they can do that, too. >> a the endt the end of the day fining a bunch of people because you how they look they're thin or whatever, that's ridiculous. the government shouldn't be involved in that at all. >> i can understand what he's saying, but i'm sure that the government of france is dealing with all the problems that they have to do. this is just -- >> no. >> they are. they are. they're not kind of sitting around not doing anything. but this let's be fair here. but 14-year-old anorexic girls is a very very serious problem. there are girls dying because they are not eating so that they can fit into this mold. >> and you can fix that with education. >> you can fix it with
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education, but you can also fix it with letting these modeling agencies know we're not going to hire these children who are not eating and who are very thin. >> that's way after the fact. that's way after the fact. >> one ning to address the issue than do absolutely nothing. >> but jason, doesn't midwin have a point that you also should be concerned about kids that can eat rather than a group that wants to not eat to have a standard that may be wrong but i don't know if the legislators' priorities have shown that they understand the difference. >> exactly. that's the issue. look, if you want to fix issues about body image, which are not unique to france. you can find those anywhere in the world, introduce it into the education system. we'll have whole curriculums on body image and work on schools and funding and food for the homeless and the poor and teach more about health and body image. >> susan, the last word on this.
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>> first remember that anorexia is an illness and it's not behavior. it's an illness that needs to be treated medically and it's very difficult to treat. they could be spending their attentions on people who can't eat as opposed to people who won't eat. >> well i'm going to have to leave it there. susan, jason, midwin thank you all for your time tonight. have a great weekend. >> thanks. >> we'll be right back. it occurred to mindy she might actually be invisible. s ooh, what are you doing? can you see me? she had just always been treated that way. yeah. you don't have to look at me like that. there are worst things than an attractive woman touching your body. i'll go. join the nation that sees you as a priority. ♪ nationwide is on your side ♪
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last night mrs. obama celebrated five years of her
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let's move campaign as she and jimmy fallon showed off a series of great moves. it was another epic dance-off, but in her sitdown with fallon the first lady shared a secret of the obamas how to get their children to eat healthy. >> one thing i did with my kids it was basic like if you don't eat your vegetable, you can't have a treat. >> yeah. >> and if you said you were full, you can leave your food but you can't come back later and ask for more food. so a couple of days of starvation -- >> they get the point. give me the broccoli. broccoli sandwich let's go. >> they're crawling under the table. >> this is the best ice cream. thanks, mom. >> they'll eat anything. three, four days of starvation. >> sometimes tough love is the remedy. we'll be right back.
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i'd like to close tonight with in powerful historic words. said on this day april 3rd back in 1968. in a crowded memphis church dr. martin luther king jr. brought the congregation to tears delivering his final public speech. i've been to the mountaintop, on the eve of his assassination. >> i just want to do god's will. and he's allowed me to go up to the mountain. and i've looked over and i've seen the promised land. we as a people will get to the promised land. i'm happy tonight i'm not fearing anything. mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the lord. >> the next day we lost dr. king, but that promise lives on. we as a people will get to the
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promised land. we as a people. meaning all of the people, black and white, men and women, straight and gay. this weekend states like indiana and arkansas we saw people take to the streets and twitter to demand equal rights and equal protection under the law. we've seen over the last year from ferguson to staten island to cleveland, people still in quest years later for that promised land and still believing that somehow we'll get there. i was 13 when dr. king was killed. i was youth director of his organization in new york. i've seen a lot go on and a lot not go on in those 47 years, but i still believe dr. king's promise that we'll get to the promised land but we won't get there without having each other
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struggle with us, and we won't get there if we're too lazy to keep pursuing it. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. have a good weekend. "hardball" starts right now. the war party. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. the right wing assault on president obama and his historic effort to rein in the iranian nuclear program recalls this infamous political ad of the 1960s. >> six, eight, nine nine -- >> ten, nine, eight, seven, six, five, four, three, two, one.