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due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. his confrontations with colorado correctional staff were
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>> one reality of prison is that there's never a shortage of pain. >> daddy. >> and at the limon correctional facility in colorado, there's enough left over for the visitors, as well. >> i'm here to visit my son, christopher. at first i was a little nervous about coming here. but, i mean, if you come once a month for several years, it kind of becomes routine. this is something that i've accepted, and this is the way i see it. >> i've been locked up for five years, and i was charged with child abuse resulting in a death, a class ii felony. >> at the time i worked for the "denver post." the way i found out that something had happened, my wife and called me and told me the
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police were looking for him and just gave me a heads-up about it. and i still wasn't sure about what was going on. it wasn't until that night when i went to work that they printed the story that i found out. >> my girl at the time, she had a son, and he just started, you know, crying, you know what i mean, like uncontrollably and seemed like no matter what i did or what i attempted to do, he wouldn't stop crying. so -- >> how old was the baby? >> he was maybe like 7, 8 months maybe. >> christopher pardue admitted to police that he slapped and punched the crying baby until it went limp. he was 20 years old when he was sentenced to 48 years old. >> i've read articles like this in the paper before. and i want to tell the people, just put it under the person, this is my son. how am i supposed to look at
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that? am i supposed to feel the same way? yes, i'm supposed to feel the same way. but he's my son, so, no, i'm not supposed to feel the same way. i don't know. it's been a long road. and i can't turn my back on him. he's mine. >> while christopher was not always close to his father growing up, abuse was never part of their history together. but the ugly tentacles of child abuse stretch throughout limon. it's home to both abusers and the abused. >> i don't feel physical pain. it doesn't register with me. when i hit, somebody hits me here, i become infuriated and all i want to do is rip their [ bleep ] out.
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>> i went through some pretty bad abuse as a kid. my dad tried everything to punish me. the slaps and kicks turned into punches and head butts, a broken nose, cigarettes being put out on me. from the age of 7 to 11, i probably felt every piece of physical abuse a kid could probably feel. you go numb after a while. a person can only take so much of that before their body literally becomes tolerant to it. i built a tolerance for pain, which is why they call me "pain." >> one incident from his childhood still lies very close to the surface. it happened when he was 14 and had snuck out of the house. >> i snuck back in thinking i got clean away with it, but i didn't. my dad woke me up by yanking me out of bed by my feet. he pulled me out of my bed by my
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feet and drug me in the living room and -- time-out. >> all right. >> moments later, he composed himself and continued his story. >> there was no questions, just he started screaming at me and said he was sick and [ bleep ] tired of me and tired of the [ bleep ] i was doing and the fists started coming and the boots, and grabbed me off the door by my hair, yanked me by my hair and flung me into the dining hall and started to beat the [ bleep ] out of me. >> lashbrook's troubled childhood has followed him to prison. he's had dozens of disciplinary write-ups from everything to destroying property and making threats and tattooing.
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>> assault to avoid a issue or me getting cuffed up and taken to segregation or causing a security issue and everybody getting caught down and catching a write-up over it, i choose to stay in my cell. take one whole sausage, slice it up like he has, long ways and you make quarters out of them and you cut that completely in half. sometimes i'll put honey on the sausage and put the cheese over the top of it and then cook it in a microwave for a minute so it melts it down and it makes a pretty good meal. it's better than the food they serve you in the chow hall. >> cooking in his cell is just one way he combats the pain of prison life. others seek ways to express their individuality. but david took things to a level unlike anything ever witnessed by "lockup" producers. >> i tattooed red the whites of my eyes.
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>> why? >> i don't know. the question is why not? everybody's got tattoos. everybody's got stretched ears. everybody's got this and that. you never seen anybody with the whites of their eyes tattooed. >> except for his cellmate, paul inman. >> it's like the final frontier. nobody has it done. i have blue eyes, so i chose blue. i thought it would be a good combination between a dark blue and black. i thought black would be a little scary, so i went with dark blue. instead of being one in billions of people in the world, you could be like the fifth or sixth person in the world to be like
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that. that's pretty amazing. and i'll bet you there is no one in the world that has the same color eyes as i do. >> neither of the cellmates would reveal how they tattooed their eyes or how they managed to create the colored ink. >> i can't tell you the process, but i do know it is painful and you don't use conventional tattoo gun or a homemade tattoo gun. so there's a layer you got to get in between that layer. you can use a hypodermic needle, but i ain't saying that's what we used. >> we call my celly hamster, but he's more like a guinea pig. so you can take it any way you want, you know. he was the first one, and he lived through it, so we went on with it. >> i wanted to do a little dye and see what it was like and it spread through half my eye. i said it's a little late doing experimentation now. i got half of it, might as well go all the way. took a couple more weeks and went all the way.
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now they're red. >> i will say this, you have to be committed. if you decide to do this, it's not -- it hurts. it takes some time and you got to be serious about doing it. you really do. >> it's painful. it's like somebody taking hot ice picks and stagging the back of your eyes sometimes if you hit the wrong spot. they're done now so i ain't got to worry about no more pain. i don't get complications in vision. i don't see no red. it's all just perfectly fine. i wasn't scared to do it. i live with the balls to the wall theory, you know. coming up, years after this video aired on "lockup," the limon inmate who threw the punch looks back. >> gave him seven stitches in his chin. ♪ (piano music) fresher dentures, for the best first impression.
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if patience is a virtue outside of prison, inside it might just be the key to survival, especially when you got a 40-year sentence. >> i've been in prison almost 19 years. i came in, i was 32, and i just turned 51 a couple days ago. spending 19 years in the penitentiary, that ain't never going to go away, but i refuse to let it run my life. i refuse that. i got to keep on ticking. so never seen a blackberry or
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any of these ipods, none of that stuff. >> but kenneth body's cell contains the artifacts of his life before prison. >> like this cassette player. this is probably an antique on the streets, but this is something a person would want in here. the only reason i was able to keep this is i managed to stay out of trouble. i was able to keep these alligator shoes. yeah. it's probably outdated. but in here, they're sharp as a tack. something that earlier in the years you could have but you no longer could wear dress shoes in here. so they grandfathered them and you can only wear them when you go to visit. and that's the only time you can wear them. this is a typewriter. this is fairly new. you know, this is what i recommend, see, because a lot of guys come to prison and they want to get something to occupy their time or to pamper them, so
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the first thing they'll get is probably a music box or television and stuff when they should be getting a typewriter to where they can construct their motions and to, you know, petition the court. >> and he knows about petitioning the court. he has always maintained he was wrongly convicted of murder and has been fighting to get the charge reversed ever since coming to prison. >> i believe because i was an ex-con anyway and a drug dealer, a neighborhood drug dealer, so to get me off the street, this is their opportunity to get me off the street. the jury come back, it caught me by surprise. it was a 40-year to a life sentence with the possibility of parole in 2030. it was a devastating blow. you know, it really didn't start hitting until i arrived in the penitentiary. that's when the bitterness, the anger, the rage and everything
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else set in to where, you know, i can't do a life sentence for something i didn't do. so i mean it tormented me every day. >> but somehow he managed to avoid trouble in prison and dug deep to find an attitude to help him survive. >> the damage is already done. the fact of the matter is the joy that god gave me through the years, i'm joyful every day. i still walk the yard, smile, talk to people and stuff like that. >> what's going on, pickle? >> body's record in prison has allowed him to hold one of the most trusted jobs available to inmates. he's a custodian in the administration building. >> i, you know, clean carpets, vacuum, empty trash. i would rather be working on the other side of the fence. >> and he soon might be. body's case was recently reviewed and problems with the original evidence prompted the
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court to offer him a new plea agreement, one that would drastically reduce his sentence. >> they gave me 28 years with time credit for 18, so it put me real close in getting out. so i should be getting out pretty soon. >> once the prison calculates time reductions for good behavior, body could be out on the streets within weeks. >> it takes its toll on you, to be for real. it takes its toll on you, but i mean what can you do about it? and, you know, 19 years of doing time, you learn patience if you don't learn anything. >> as kenneth body looks forward to the payoff of patient persistence, another longtime inmate has learned that patience has a reward of a different type. our first introduction to billy hankins was in this startling prison surveillance video that we acquired from colorado state penitentiary in 2000.
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now older and wiser, hankins is an inmate at limon. >> this is my 43rd birthday. i think i've been locked up, the only birthday i haven't been locked up for was my 26th birthday. other than that, ever since 1982, from juvenile i've been locked up all the way to adult. i think i've had one birthday on the streets. in what, 25, 30 years? >> so what are the plans for your birthday? >> fellows are making some burritos, but the meal at chow sucks today. it's pizza made with some kind of turkey. so we would be making burritos anyway. >> your future? what's the big sigh? >> what future? i have no future. this is my future. i don't know.
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>> when we first interviewed him in 2000, he explained how he received life without parole for a murder he committed during a robbery. >> i was out a job, christmas was coming and i needed money. i knew how to make money. it just wasn't the right way and i knew it, you know, and i just guess i programmed myself to believe i could get away with it, you know what i mean. i've got away with a lot of crimes. i've been busted for crimes, you know, but i guess i just felt desperate, you know? don't tempt a desperate man because he'll do desperate things. >> but the prison provided some of the most telling evidence of his violence. this surveillance footage was recorded during a strip search. >> like my mullet? he was never interviewed about
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the assault until now. >> i can't believe i had my hair like that. >> limon officials allowed our producer to show him the episode of "lockup" in which it appeared. >> the video said one day i snapped. i didn't so much as snap. i made a conscious decision to attack him because me and him had had a confrontation a month earlier, so i put him on my list. you know, people that got it coming when i get a chance to get them, i gave him seven stitches in his chin. you know, you do things and you look back on them and i can't believe i did that. i didn't let people do things to me that i thought was disrespectful. i would fight at the drop of a dime any one, any time, anywhere which i wouldn't do now. >> the assault on the officer resulted in him spending ten years in the stark, 23-hour lockdown cells at colorado state. >> i have a temper, but i've learned to control it. as i've gotten older, i'm not as
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violent as i used to be. coming up -- >> it's imperative that we remove this needle out of circulation. >> correctional staff conduct an urgent search before a possibly contaminated needle is used for copycat tattooing. >> and there it is. the how-tos. i just found directions to the way they tattooed their eyes. ♪
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inmates david boltjes and paul inman have distinguished themselves by tattooing the whites of their eyes. but at limon correctional facility, standing out from the crowd can bring unwanted attention. ♪ don't you know >> the information we're receiving is that they're using a homemade syringe and placing the syringe into the white part of their eye and injecting ink
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in whatever color they choose to color their eyes. it's imperative that we remove this needle out of circulation. when they find a syringe in the prison system that works they tend to pass it from offender to offender. we run into the possibility of spreading several types of different diseases. >> correctional staff head to housing unit five for a surprise shakedown for the cell shared by inman and boltjes. >> all right. where do you want to start? >> tonight's mission for lieutenant michael higden and brian scott is to search for a needle in a haystack of inmate property accumulated over several years. >> it's going to be difficult, honestly to look through every little piece of everything. a lot of these guys constantly have something that they're doing wrong. they have a lot of stuff. >> i am seeing an altered mattress right there. obvious stash spot. well, it looks empty. >> then, the trail to tattoo
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paraphernalia grows warmer. >> this is all unauthorized writing utensils, that's all it is. nice and easy. but what they can do like right here they can take red ink and make a red tattoo. and there it is. the how-tos. what i just found was little directions, how they tattooed their eyes. we might not want to have this floating around. next thing we know we got 955 blind inmates and don't know what to do. >> though the search fails to turn up the potentially contaminated needle, they return with a large bag of other contraband. >> no luck on the syringe. we did find the paper that tells them how to tattoo their eyeballs, which is a good find in my opinion. a lot of little nuisance stuff, weapons, things like that. a lot of over limit stuff. so we pretty much cleaned their cell out of all their over limit stuff and put them into compliance. >> good job. a lot of contraband for one cell.
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they've been saving up for quite some time. the needle could be handed from inmate to inmate. we did get the evidence instructing how they should properly do this, so that raises some eyebrows in a facility that more than one offender might be doing this. so that will be a concern. >> inman and boltjes are allowed to return to their cell, but the investigation is far from over. coming up, kenneth body's release hits a roadblock. >> they're refusing to grant my earned time. >> my mouth tends to get me in a wreck whenever i get upset. >> and chris' anger gets him in trouble. >> so i can't win for nothing. so if you have a flat tire, dead battery, need a tow or lock your keys in the car, geico's emergency roadside assistance is there 24/7. oh dear, i got a flat tire. hmmm. uh... yeah, can you find a take where it's a bit more dramatic on that last line, yeah? yeah i got it right here.
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due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. ♪ ♪ lord, you know what i need is you ♪ ♪ dear lord, this is my letter to you ♪ ♪ still got it going got real personal with you i'm patiently waiting for this curse to get lifted ♪ ♪ jump in the swamp with gators have my heaters for smoking ♪ ♪ please forgive me, for i have sinned ♪ ♪ journey with me ♪ let's take a walk ♪ pain got me feeling like you really ain't listening ♪
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>> between them, kenneth body and billy hankins have endured more than 40 years in prison. >> come down here about three times a week, you know, to stay fit and to release stress. >> it helps you work off pent-up negative energy that you accumulate during the day dealing with [ bleep ]. only the strong survive, i'm sure you've heard that before. it's especially true in this environment. you never know when it's going to pay to be the stronger man. >> with no chance for parole, hankins' survival in prison is a lifelong commitment, but his friend is planning a life on the outside. due to new evidence coming forth on his murder conviction, body accepted a plea bargain with a sentence reduction that could free him in the very near future, but now there's a snag >> going through some difficulty with d.o.c. not complying with the court's order. they're refusing to grant my earned time.
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i don't want all of this drama to go along with it. i just wanted to get my earned time and get on. i mean, that's the system. >> but the decision is not up to prison officials. it's up to the attorney general's office, which is where body's new plea bargain was negotiated. depending on the attorney general's final decision, body could become eligible for parole immediately or not for another two years. >> i'm prematurely going to prerelease class. >> the prison has put him into a program for inmates about to re-enter society. >> finding a job, reuniting with family, communicating with your community parole officer, juggling appointments, struggling with money, getting around on the bus, housing issues, avoiding old habits or negative relationships,
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substance abuse issues and health problems. so do you feel like we covered those stressors pretty well and how best to cope with them? mr. body, how do you feel about that? >> you look at the things that eventually brought you here in the penitentiary. >> exactly. >> so you know you have to stay away from that stuff. but, you know, my biggest thing would be getting reacquainted with the world and the new technologies and, you know, because when i came here, a cell phone was as big as a shoebox. >> the guys that do return to prison -- >> chris lashbrook is only six months away from completing his eight-year sentence for auto theft and burglary. he's been trying to avoid
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trouble but has recently landed in administrative segregation. >> what happened? why seg? >> i was on the phone with my wife and they asked me to get off the phone, that it was lockdown time. when i hung up the phone, they got on the loudspeaker and said, that means you, lashbrook, and i pointed at the bubble and told her to [ bleep ] her tongue with me. walked up to my room, got security coming up, arresting me and putting me in the hole for investigation. my mouth tends to get me in a wreck whenever i get upset. >> you know what i feel from you right now is barely contained rage. >> oh, yeah, because i'm at that [ bleep ] point where it seems like no matter how much you do around here, no matter how much you try to [ bleep ], i feel like i can't [ bleep ] win for nothing. >> six days later, lashbrook, walking with a cane because of a sciatic nerve problem, has a hearing with the prison disciplinary board regarding the incident.
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he will be assisted by billy edwards, an inmate advocate. >> you got to take a deep breath. don't become argumentative. >> class two, rule 25, disobeying lawful order. plead guilty or not guilty or guilty with an explanation. what's your plea? >> i would like to plead not guilty. >> since you plead not guilty i'm going to have the lieutenant present the case for the department, then you'll have your opportunity. >> i'm going to read an incident report that was written by officer jaret jones, staff at this facility, he writes i was asked by sergeant webb to give inmate lashbrook a direct order to get off the phone and lock down. he ignored my orders to lock down and continued to talk on the phone for several minutes. i believe that anybody could have understood that instruction and it's my belief that this incident report is a complete and accurate portrayal of the incident. >> i was on the phone. i do not deny that.
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i was speaking with my wife. she was crying very, very bad. and i told her i got to go because they're wanting me to lock down. she said, no, please don't hang up. i said, look, i'll call you in the morning. i have to go. she said, please. i said, baby, i got to go, i got to hang up. at that time, ms. webb got back over the loudspeaker and said, that means you, lashbrook. here is where i know i did wrong. i pointed up at the bubble, and i told her to curve her [ bleep ] tongue with me. excuse me french. you all know i got a mouth when i get upset. or when i -- you know, there's no secret about that. i did hang up. i didn't stay on the phone for several minutes. it took me a few seconds to say, i -- i can't just hang up right on my wife, that would be rude and she was in tears and i don't want to be inconsiderate to her, and at the same time, to the officer giving me a direct order.
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if i'm guilty of anything, i am guilty of verbal abuse. >> they didn't charge you with that. >> yeah. i'm not trying to be a pain in the ass or anything. >> i know you're not and i understand you not wanting to be disrespectful to your wife. but you still got to take responsibility for your actions. i mean really and i understand that. stuff happens. you admitted that you had to be told three times, three times, so that was enough times to lock down and i do -- you know, you have to do what you got to do, and i got to do what i got to do. >> okay. >> all right. you're charged with a class two, rule 25 disobeying lawful order. you pled not guilty. however, i did find you guilty. what i'm going to do is i'm going to give you ten days punitive segregation, however, i'm going to give you credit for the one day you served and probate the remaining nine until may 12th. >> okay. >> this concludes case number
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00826. >> if lashbrook stays trouble free, he will remain out of segregation. >> i don't agree with the findings. politics are politics within here. >> case closed. >> for this month. >> yeah. >> we'll see him again. >> uh-huh. coming up -- >> he grabbed me by my hair, flung me into the dining hall and started to beat the [ bleep ] out of me. >> lashbrook and his father try to come to terms with the past. >> and i still cry. i still ask for forgiveness. he says she's an
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at colorado's limon correctional facility, inmate chris lashbrook is known by his nickname, pain. lashbrook's pain fueled an anger that has gotten him in trouble both in and out of prison. at it source is the abuse he suffered from his father. >> my abuse was open handed with my fist. there's no doubt about it, he was abused at my hands. >> cordell lashbrook visits chris about once a month. >> we get along great now. from what we've been through leading up to now, awesome. >> how are you doing? >> hey, how are you doing? >> i'm doing good, man. good to see you. >> let me hug you. good to see you.
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>> i love you, man. >> i love you too. >> i think, you know, when you're abused, the tendency to abuse the ones you love is pretty strong. >> i have kids. i mean, you know, i've never been there for them. i've been incarcerated. they were born while i was incarcerated. but i know who they are, they know who i am and i love them. and i can never fathom or imagine myself ever becoming so angry that i would put hands on them because of what i went through. and my dad taught me that. unfortunately, he taught me in the wrong way. >> but, you know, we can't change our past. >> you know, we can't change what was already done. we can make sure it never happens again. >> yeah, and i always wish that it hadn't happened, but we know that it's not possible. >> i know. it's okay, though. >> i know what i did to you was terrible.
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i cry, still cry. i'll never stop crying. >> i know. >> you know, i don't care how many times you tell me you've forgiven me, it's there. >> i know. >> the most brutal beating of all occurred when chris was 14 years old and had snuck out of the house. >> you know, i think about that time. i mean, i see it just like it was yesterday. >> so the next day, he's at my bedroom door knocking on my bedroom door, and i open my door and he asked if he could talk to me. i told him, yeah. and he came in the room and he looked at me and he asked if he could hug me and when he went to hug me, i flinched. >> i don't know what happened. i just -- automatically i just stopped and i remember looking down at you with your hands covering your face. and it was like that light just went on. i saw the hurt that i put on you.
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and that's why i still cry. because that memory was what changed me to not ever want to hurt you again. and i looked at him, and i said, i'll never raise my hand to you again. >> and what means the most to me is that he never has. he never lifted a finger to me since that day. he kept his word to me. he promised me and he kept his promise to me and that meant more to me than anything. >> i tried to find areas where i could be a better influence to him. music was probably the way that we could communicate. getting into some foo fighters. stuff like that. >> still getting into coldplay. >> yeah, still doing some coldplay. >> the bond that's always kept him and i together has been the music. he's a musician and he's rubbed that off on me and i've been fortunate enough to have that talent. i learned from the best. >> that's a compliment. i don't know if i'm the best.
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>> you are for me. you're my teacher. you taught me how to play. >> we don't get to see each other enough. you know. >> no. i'm a grown man. >> i know. >> now that i'm a grown man, i'm realizing dad was right. you know what i mean? he told me if i kept doing the [ bleep ] i was doing, i was going to end up in prison. well, you're interviewing me in limon correctional facility. >> i can't help but feel that i'm a part of him as to why he's here. >> i love my dad. he's my best friend in the whole world. coming up, david boltjes and paul inman find their fashion statement has come with some unintended consequences. >> apparently another inmate or two went into his cell and put
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some knots on his head and said don't be giving us anymore heat over here. >> and kenneth body waits patiently for news that doesn't come. but then a surprise gives him reason to smile. moment, thinking about people? why are we so committed to keeping you connected? why combine performance with a conscience? why innovate for a future without accidents? why do any of it? why do all of it? because if it matters to you, it's everything to us. the xc60 crossover. from volvo. lifewe scream shout,owl, shriek with joy. until, inhibition creeps in, our world gets smaller, quieter, but life should be loud. sing loud, play loud, love loud.
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♪ ♪ can i love you ♪ can i hold you ♪ can i feel you, baby ♪ it's nothing but joy you bring to me ♪ ♪ that keeps me real that keeps me real ♪ [ laughter ] >> hey, hey, hey, hey! >> technically, inmate kitchen workers jamaal ward and robert washington are not supposed to perform while on duty.
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but other violations at colorado's limon correctional facility are viewed more seriously. cellmates paul inman and david boltjes tattooed the whites of their eyes in an effort to stand out from the crowd. >> is it worth it? >> yeah. >> why? >> because it will be like this forever, you know? >> this is permanent? >> permanent. it will never go away, ever. >> tell me what the reaction was like around the facility? >> they thought it was cool. >> who? >> everyone. first it's, you're an idiot, but it's cool. i wouldn't do it, but it looks cool. >> i want to see everybody tattoos their whites. i want to see purple, green, blue, yellow, orange, everything. every color but white. i think it would be cool. i like it. >> but according to lieutenant jim fox, the attention they brought on the prison's illegal tattoo trade took them from trail blazers to targets among fellow inmates. inman got the message in no uncertain terms.
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>> apparently another inmate or two went into his cell and put some knots on his head and said don't be giving us anymore heat over here. we seen inman a day or two later, of course, he won't tell what happened or what it was over or anything like that, because that's a convict code. but we know what it was over. i got enough people out there telling me what it was over. >> and now things are about to heat up even more for inman as the prison disciplinary board takes up his case. >> he's been charged with tattooing or possession of tattoo paraphernalia. some interesting evidence recovered from his cell as a result of this. he did come over -- i spoke with him briefly, and he has elected not to attend this hearing. >> what i'm going to do is enter a not guilty plea on the inmate's behalf. >> i'm going to submit as
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evidence instruction sheets that give detailed instructions as to how to perform this procedure, how to actually tattoo the whites of somebody's eyes. this in and of itself would meet the definition of the charge. this time i'm going to submit a photo of offender inman with his new blue eyes. >> wow. looks like he has no soul. >> looks like the devil took his soul. >> i entered a not guilty plea in the inmate's behalf to the tattooing charge, however, i did find him guilty. i'm going to give him l.o.p. for 30 days. an l.o.p. consists of no electrical appliances, no rec, no canteen, no telephone, no library, no visiting, and he will be going to unit one. i wonder if he'll go blind. >> nobody is sure how this will affect his vision, his eyes. it cost the state quite a bit of money to house somebody that's not visually impaired. hopefully this won't end up costing us quite a bit more.
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>> kenneth body has patiently played by the rules, and after 18 years in prison, has succeeded in getting his sentence reduced from 40 years to 28 years. this could make him eligible for immediate parole. but there is a controversy over his earned time for good behavior. today, he thinks he's having a meeting with his lawyer to sort out the problem. >> can you let him know he has a visit? great, thanks. >> we're going to have a special visit for inmate body. a special visit is usually for offenders who typically wouldn't get visits or for families that live more than 300 miles away. >> body's actual visitors are his mother, sister and stepfather who have traveled across the state to surprise him. >> it's very difficult. i'm sorry, but i get very emotional. but it's so difficult for me to come down here, because he's been here for so long, and i
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have prayed and prayed and prayed and it just seems that -- >> it's all right, it's all right, it's all right. >> that my prayers hasn't been answered. but one day it's going to happen. i know it is. he's going to answer my prayers. >> you know, we the radicals. >> surprise, surprise. >> are y'all real? >> yes, we are. yes, we are. >> how are you doing? how are you doing, leroy?
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>> were you shocked, surprised? >> yeah, i thought it was my attorney. i brought legal work and everything. >> though body's release date is still uncertain, his family remains hopeful that his life in prison is coming to an end. >> it's coming. it's coming. >> it's short enough right now to put in a mustard seed. >> right. >> yeah, because i mean, it's what, eight months going on nine months since the initial court order, you know, came through and, i mean, it ain't no picnic. i had better peace when i had the light sentence still on. >> and we are so proud of you the way you have handled yourself in here for all those years. >> how you maintained and stayed
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focused. but we don't want to keep talking about that right now. we want to talk about you when you get out of here. >> first thing is we're going to have a fish fry. >> we're going to have a party. >> worth while. >> that's only right, but i know one thing, i want everybody back there to see that, yeah, you come from some -- from the pits to the pinnacle, to the top. i'm going to show them that. i mean, because you only got one crack at life. >> that's right.
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even for inmates serving hard time, love can be a strong even for inmates serving hard time, love can be a strong motivator. >> who's going to marry you? >> i don't know. maybe one person out there. >> but in prison, reaching out to others can be a dicey proposition. >> i ended up moving on this other dude, which turns out he had other intentions as far as force himself on me. >> they were saying i was spending way too much time in the office with the new female staff. >> some people don't know when th


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