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is supposed to be about. this has got to change. as your president, together, we are going to change it. and he fierce this will be a boring democratic primary. also because it's vermont, there was free ice cream. yes, it was ben & jerry's. that's it for us for now. now it's time with the last word with lawrence o'donnell. >> i think bernie sanders did that announcement just for me. last week on this show, i made a reference to hillary clinton being the only announced democratic candidate for president and i got attacked on twitter, just by bernie sanders people saying he already announced. so i think he had to go and do it again today just for me. >> he had announced it. he just hadn't pronounced it. >> okay. whatever. now i get it. i finally get it. >> we're all on board. thanks. >> thanks, rachel. >> if you don't think hillary clinton is worried about bernie sanders tonight, then you don't know enough about what can happen in presidential campaignes and hillary clinton knows all about what can happen
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in presidential campaigns. especially when a democratic front-runner gets challenged from the left. >> i am proud to announce my candidacy for president of the united states of america. >> will he give hillary clinton a hard time? >> he is kind of the truth teller in the public square. >> there's a billionaire class, i say that your greed has got to end. >> he's got that sort of rumpeled professor look. >> what did you do, go to the barber and say give me the dock brown? >> bernie sanders is the ultimate anti-politician. >> this campaign is about the needs of the american people. >> the people. that's your game? it's an old game. >> how far can bernie sanders go. >> what do the republicans do now that they're behind ireland. >> if you do not support same-sex marriage, you are labeled a homophobe and a hater. >> who is going to do i tell first?
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none of them are. i'm interrupting you. >> the supreme court is not the supreme branch and for god's sake it's not the supreme being. >> be laying it down. >> tonight, hillary clinton's campaign staff must be asking themselves is bernie sanders the new gene mccarthy? the last time a prohibitive front-runner for the democratic presidential nomination was challenged by an uprising on the left, the challenge came from a gray-haired senator from a canadian bordering state when the democrat incumbent president was challenged for the nomination. >> i intend to enter the democratic primaries in four states, wisconsin, oregon,
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california and nebraska. the decision with reference to massachusetts and also new hampshire will be made within the next two or three weeks. >> gene mccarthy ran on the issue of the day, the moral issue of the day, the vietnam war. and if elected president, he would simply end it. mccarthy rocked the political world by winning the new hampshire primary. well, it was as if he had won. the media treated it as a huge victory for senator mccarthy simply because he achieved 42% of the vote against incumbent president lyndon johnson. president johnson was stunned by the new hampshire vote and with gene mccarthy showing how weak johnson was, another democratic senator saw an opening. >> i do not run for the presidency merely to oppose any man, but to propose new policies. i run because i am convinced that this country is on a
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perilous course and because i have such strong feelings about what must be done and i feel that i am lodged to do all that i can. i run to seek new policies, policies to end the bloodshed in vietnam and in our cities. policies to close the gap that now exists between black and white, between rich and poor, between young and old in this country and around the rest of the world. >> together, those two senators, gene mccarthy and bobby kennedy knocked the front-runner out of the race for the democratic nomination two weeks after bobby kennedy announced his candidacy, president lyndon johnson surrendered. >> i shall not seek and i will not accept the nomination of my party for another term as your president.
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>> things got tragically complicated after that. bobby kennedy was assassinated after winning the california primary and vice president you look better humphrey ended up with the democratic nomination and lost the presidency to richard nixon. but since then, heavily favored democratic front runners are always at least a bit worried about a mccarthy-like uprising on their left. such an uprising needs a galvanizing moral issue, such as ending the vietnam war. bernie sanders believes he has such an issue now. >> in america, we now have more income and wealth inequality than any other major country on earth and the gap between the very rich and everyone else is growing wider and wider. the issue of wealth and income inequality is the great moral issue of our time.
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it is the great economic issue of our time. it is the great political issue of our time. and we will address it. >> joining us now, steve karnacki. he is in vermont on this day in presidential politics history. also joining us, nicholas composori and caitlin huey -- burns i was watching that crowd up there with bernie sanders today and i think a lot of them remember gene mccarthy. >> well, it's an interesting comparison. absolutely. you look at the overwhelming nature of the front-runner that hillary clinton is and the potential for bernie sanders. obviously, you look at the issues he's stressing and there's new resonance on income inequality, wealth concentration, even climate change for that matter, issues that bernie sanders has been talking about for so long but now at the late stage of his career are at the national fore of great debate.
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but now, i think you have to look at those first two states on the calendar, iowa and new hampshire. outside of vermont, his home state one really can't think of two better states for bernie sanders to start the presidential race in. iowa, it's a caucus state, an activist oriented electorate. she came in third place in the caucuses out there in nevada. like iowa, small, rural state, similar to vermont and new hampshire. a next door neighbor state for bernie sanders. the voters in iowa, the voters in new hampshire, these are the types of voters he is accustom to appealing to. he has a message to resinate to lower income rural voters. so the path of bernie sanders to the nomination, that's very difficult to see. the path to bernie sanders making some serious noise in iowa and new hampshire and causing some serious headaches for hillary clinton in iowa and new hampshire, that's not as
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hard to see. >> the -- bernie sanders faces a similar challenge that robert kennedy faced when he ran and gene mccarthy faced within the party, which is they didn't want to in any kind of personal kind of way attack president johnson. bernie sanders took a page right out of bobby kennedy's play book today saying this is not about hillary clinton and it's not about anyone else in the race. let's listen to the way bobby kennedy said this about president johnson back when he made his announcement. >> my decision reflects no personal animosity or disrespect toward president johnson. president kennedy with the utmost loyalty and was extremely kind to me and members of my family in the difficult months which followed the events of november of 1963. i have often commended his efforts in health and education and in many other areas and i have the deepest sympathy for
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the burden that he carries today. but the issue is not personal. it is our profound differences of where we are heading and what we want to accomplish. >> and nick composer, that was a guy who was planning to run hard against lyndon johnson, just as bernie sanders intends to run hard in this race. he's not going to personalize it to hillary clinton. >> well, you were saying that profound difference. i think, look, there's obviously going to be a clear choice here. bernie sanders is not an off the shelf candidate. on the other hand, you can't hang that on hillary clinton. it's not her fault, it's not her fault. she can't be tied to it. i still don't think there is the right kind of galvanizing issue as you described it that he can ride to insurgency. i think the bigger danger for clinton is all the ways in which
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he presents a study in contrast. this is not a guy who is worried about defending the sensibilities in wall street or people in finance or wealthy people. this is not a guy who is afraid to roll out ten policy proposals on the day he announceses. clinton has suggested it's okay to be in politics for 30 years and not have a proposal lined up. he came out with a bunch of them today. >> caitlin, the mccarthy example is he opened up the field. he showed the opening and bobby kennedy, a more famous, more popular senator came running in. there is a more famous, more popular democratic senator out there, elizabeth warren, who could run into this thing, conceivably, if we started to see hillary clinton falling. >> right. but for now, she's staying on the sidelines and i think she's having a bigger influence on the debate by staying there and
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keeping these candidates on their toes. in 2012, republicans were craving a conservative alternative to mitt romney. we saw that by virtue of the primary going as long as it did. i don't think that's the same situation we're seeing with democrats. however, i think some democrats are craving this debate on these issues that they haven't been able to have for a while. because this is an open election and they feel like this is the time to really do that. >> and, steve, the calendar of 1968 and other years shows you just how late you can make a move here. if there is a faltering front-runner. so without that, of course, everyone is going to stay in place and certainly hillary clinton is not going to give an lbj speech and say i've decided not to accept the nomination. but bernie sanders, as that guy who is getting in here willing to say whatever he thinks on a given day, that is a very dangerous force for hillary clinton to have to contend with.
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>> you know, i think it is. there's a couple ways to look at the sanders candidacy. i think, first of all, you look at all the other democrats who are out there, several of them potentially to run against hillary clinton, martin o'malley, lincoln chaffy, jim web. and i think right now the only one who demonstrated any real traction against hillary clinton already is bernie sanders. he's already sort of separated himself from them. we'll see if he can continue that separation and make that more permanent and get a one-on-one race. the other thing to keep in mind, too, is when you tack about hillary clinton being the front-runner, 40, 50 points ahead, all of that is true but i also think hillary clinton in a lot of ways is the ideal opponent for bernie sanders. when you look at how bernie sanders defines himself, he defined him as the anti-politician, the ultimate outsider, the guy who is willing to stand against all the powerful interests and his opponent is going to have more money than any democrat who ran for president before, close to wall street. we know all of these things so if she represents in so many
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ways the forces that bernie sanders defines himself in on opposition to. >> and, steve, there's nothing more dangerous on a debate stage than a well versed candidate who has nothing to lose. >> absolutely. and i mean, if you can think back to the 2008 campaign, a lot of people think the moment it started to fall apart for hillary clinton, it wasn't just coming in in third place in iowa. it was in debate in october 2007 when she was pressed specifically on the issue of driver's licenses for illegal immigrants. and she was pressed on that issue, did not come across very well. a lot of people think that is when her candidacy started to fall apart. there's going to be six democratic debates now. bernie sanders is going to have six opportunities at least to stand up there on stage with hillary clinton. look at those positions that he staked out today, like a $15 minimum wage, being clear and emphatic on that. there's going to be opportunities for him in those debates to press her for specific answers and see how she responds. >> steve kornacki, thank you very much for joining us
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tonight. we're going to take a break and when we come back, with the world changing around them, republican presidential candidates are still clinging to the wreckage of their hopeless position on marriage equality. and today, a shock. a truly shocking thing, something that never happens in washington. a former state department official says he has changed his mind -- changed his mind about edward snowden. love making sunday dinners. but when my back hurt, cooking all day... forget about it. tylenol was ok, but it was 6 pills a day. but aleve is just 2 pills all day. and now, i'm back! aleve. the technology changes the design evolves the engineering advances. but the passion to drive a mercedes-benz
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467,307. >> this weekend, the republic of ireland became the first country in the world to legalize same-sex marriage by popular vote. 62% voted in favor of it. here at home, a new gallop poll
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shows that 60% of americans now support marriage equality, including 7% of democrats, 64% of independents and 37% of republicans. america's shift to marriage equality presents a challenge for some republican candidates who oppose it. groups of young conservatives are working to reform the party's platform by removing anti-gay language. today, marco rubio who has previously said he would attend a same-sex wedding said this. >> we've reached the point where, now, look, if you think about it, we are at the water's edge of the argument that mainstream christian teaching is hate speech because today we've reached the point in our society where if you do not support same-sex marriage, you are labeled a homophobe and a hater. the next step is the argue the catechism of the catholic church is hate speech. that's a real and present danger. >> joining us now is jerry ann henry, campaign manager for
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young conservatives for the freedom to marry. jerriann, how is it going? i don't hear any presidential campaigners using your talking points yet. they're not using them yet, but we're confident they will come around. a lot of what we're talking about is focused on inclusion, so that those who have -- regardless of what opinion people have, they have a place on this issue, they have a place in the republican party. and i think after the supreme court rules, you'll see a lot of shifts on this issue. >> and, jerri ann, when you have conversations inside the republican party on this and you show them this polling data, that information on independent voters, for example, what is their reaction to that? >> i think there's two different things. we often go to other states and meet with republican leaders and party leadership and they often are surprised and pleased to find out that they're not the only person that thinks that we can come around on this issue. so you're going to, i think, see a ground swell and support
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around inclusion of gay people and support for same-sex marriage among republicans. but we also see people who are legitimately worried about growing the party's base and they want to focus on a lot of other issues. this one keeps coming up and over time, they're going to have to get right on the issue if they want a victory in 2016. >> let's listen to mike huckabee talking about maybe not falling supreme court on this. >> judicial review is exactly what we've operated under. we have not operated under judicial supremacy. presidents lincoln, jefferson, jackson, presidents have understood, but the supreme court cannot make a law. they cannot make it. the legislature has to make it. the executive branch has to sign it and enforce it. and the notion that the supreme court comes up with the ruling and that automatically subjects the two other branches to
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following it defies everything there is about three equal branches of government. chris, the supreme court is not the supreme branch and for god's sake, it isn't the supreme being. >> caitlin, it sounds like jerri ann is going to have a long struggle getting mike huckabee to make sense of any of this. >> it's been interesting to watch. a lot of republicans running for office are looking at the supreme court case as a way to take this issue off the table and move on to things they want to talk about, things they think can appeal to younger voter, things like the economy and jobs. but this issue keeps coming up and it's interesting. the supreme court will also be deciding the health care debate later this summer, as well. so it will be interesting to see how they react to that compared to this. but i do think it's something that, you know, as they're competing and conservative primary states, like iowa, for example, we saw it at a summit
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recently, virtually all the candidates talked about, you know, traditional, what they see as traditional marriage. but then i've seen some of these candidates in new hampshire and they're asked about it and they quickly want to move to other things. so i think it's going to be interesting to watch how they react to this question in the first two early states. >> nick, we see marco rubio moving into the war on christians notion of what's going on here. >> look, the first candidate on the gop side who said he's for same-sex marriage is the first candidate to doom his candidacy. this is a powerful and real constituency in their party. they care deeply about this. they feel they are on the defense, fighting a action against a hostile mainstream culture. and to defy that and go against them is extremely difficult. what you have here is a competition between the grassroots world and the faith world in the gop and the donor world, which for the most part
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is pushing these guys to stop talking about it if they can't agree to be for it. >> jerri ann, can you show a republican presidential candidate the path to the nomination? what position do you -- let me put it another way. what position on this marriage issue do you think a republican can have and get the nomination? >> i think the most straightforward path for presidential candidate is to recognize that there's diversity within the republican party. there are going to be a lot of people who are for same-sex marriage and want to see that in their states and those people should have a place in the republican party and a presidential candidate needs to embrace that while also recognizing that there are those who will oppose that. and they also have an equal spot in that party. now, that does kind of sound like splitting hairs, but they're going to have to move forward with the very inclusive
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message, one that recognizes that ultimately families and two people coming together in a loving, committed way, that is what's at the cornerstone of our society and we should do everything we can to make families stronger. nick, do you think a republican could get the nomination by going back to the old state's rights position and saying, look, i think marriage is an issue for the states? and just leave it at that? >> i think it's hard to get through without -- you know, an affirmative declaration that they think that gay marriage is unconstitutional or at least that there's no right to it in the constitution. it's just a litmus test. i think it's very hard. we saw rand paul for a little bit try and play with some of the states rights language and move off into a more conventional decision against it. there are just powerful pr pushing against these candidates and pushing them away from taking that stance. >> let's listen to what scott walker said about it. >> marriage is a decision that should be defined by our state government, not at the federal level. and in wisconsin and other places across the country, marriage is defined between one
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man and one woman and states should be the ones that make that decision. >> caitlin, he's running up there pretty high in the polls. do you think he can run that line the rest of the way? >> scott walker is trying to court more conservative members of his party and trying to appeal to the establishment lane. he's trying to position himself to someone who is electable in that way. but it is interesting as several of his rivals do want to kind of remove this issue from the table. i do think scott walker does bring it up because he has that wisconsin experience and that's something from his record that he can point to specifically when he's out on a trail. things that he's done when he's trying to court an appeal to those kinds of constituencies. >> we have to take a break here. nick his, caitlin, and jerri, thank you for joining us tonight. coming up next, the most amazing possible thing has happened. someone has changed his mind about edward snowden.
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we have breaking news tonight, breaking washington news about something that would
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really not be news outside of culture of politics in this country which allows very little space for civil discussion, including explorations of possible areas of agreement once the political battle lines are drawn. and absolutely no room at all for changing one's mind about anything once those battle lines are drawn. edward snowden instantly became a battle line as soon as we learned his name. strong opinions were expressed in favor of his unauthorized release of nsa secrets and strong opinions were offered in support of edward snowden, whose strongest public advocate became glenn greenwald. tonight's breaking news is that someone has changed his mind about edward snowden. hodding carter who was assistant of state of public affairs in jimmy carter's administration published a piece entitled "glenn greenwald, i'm sorry: why i changed my mind on edward snowden." joining us now is hodding carter, contributor to the new book after snowden, privacy, secrecy and security in the
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administration stage. and here to accept that apology, glenn greenwald. mr. carter, thank you for joining us tonight. glenn is going to be on a little bit of a delay coming to us from south america. tell us how you did this most remarkable of things from washington creatures, changing your mind. i have a suspicion that living outside washington had something to do with it. >> it had something to do with it, but actually, just sitting back for a moment and saying, wait a minute, what did the man actually do? yes, yes, yes, he released some material. it was material which the government had no business having. that becomes clear. the second was material the government has been assembling in ways which no one outside the inner reaches of government had any idea that was going on. the combination was sort of overwhelming.
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this was the last statement of a national security state gone crazy. and there he was, edward snowden, saying things which, just to be blunt about it, any good patriot ought to have been saying. >> take us through your emotional reaction when you first learned about this from glenn greenwald, from the whole of what edward snowden had done. you talk in your piece about being an ex marine and you had a real marine's reaction to it. >> i had a marine's reaction, i had a child of the world war reaction to it, i had the reaction of a man who believed your first order of business when the flag goes up is to salute. and, therefore, to believe that it was acceptable for someone to unilaterally, as it seemed, endanger national security was not within the realm of my emotional intellectual possibility. and bingo. again, it's required that you step back one from your own deep
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felt prejudices or convictions or from your experience. and my experience, the lord knows, has taken me in and out of government. and i thought, wait, wait, wait, this is a very large extension of some very bad tendencies in government for some time. so along comes mr. snowden, along comes mr. greenwald and a couple of others and lay out for us exactly what has been going on without the upset of the people. and i thought, thank god, thank god. >> glenn greenwald, i've been watching this fairley carefully and i don't have a big stack of public apologies. do you? or to edward snowden here. is this the only one? is this the first one? have i missed a few? >> no. i think it's hard not just in politics, but as a human being to do what mr. carter did, to first re-evaluate and publicly
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admit that your original opinions weren't accurate. i think that's hard for all of us to do. there have been some people who have done it. there was a vicious post about snowden early on and said later on, i've thought about it and everything i said was wrong. he wasn't in it for fame or money, he was in it because he believed the public had a right to know. juan williams just wrote a column in "the hill" that said he was wrong, in light of the court says that he was this program was illegal, in light of the ongoing debate in washington where there's clearly going to be reform, what he did was strengthened for democracy and ought to be brought back home. i think that's often how it is with whistle blowers. i remember daniel told me earlier on he had almost no support doing what he did in the beginning and it took years for basically a consensus that what he did was heroic and he told me he thinks it's going to be the same pattern for mr. snowden. >> hodding carter, when i first saw that headline, i thought,
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oh, the court made that ruling and hodding carter reconsidered. but you clearly came to this view before that recent court ruling. >> yeah. i was thinking about the examples being cited and thinking at the time most of us were writing our renditions or chapters of the new book. that was not being said by people. and this was, for some of us, a step over a line which seemed to be very clear. they weren't buttsy attacking mr. snowden, they were busy attacking mr. greenwald, his associates or others in that field. this has been a much faster falling off the cliff than in past instances. it has been less than a year since we wrote our chapters. and in that time, well, hell, you had the editor of the "new york times" saying he wished i could have redone it, that he was wrong on some of the basics.
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a fine man. but he just said that within the last month. >> glenn greenwald, what's your reaction to the changes or the adjustments being considered now in the congress on the patriot act? >> well, i think there definitely woefully inadequate. if i had my choice, i would hope that the patriotic act, those key provisions expire. they were intended to be temporary at the time they were enacted and the sort of really strong emotion after 9/11. but i think it's critical to realize, this will be the very first time in the post 9/11 era that the congress takes away power in the name of terrorism from the intelligence community in the pentagon rather than giving them more. and even though it is milder than i would like, i think it's a course correction for what we've seen in the modern era. >> hodding carter, glenn greenwald, thank you both for joining me tonight.
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first lady michelle obama is continuing her annual college commencement tour. yesterday she spoke to the graduates of oberlin college in ohio. >> today, i want to suggest that if you truly wish to carry on the oberlin legacy of service and social justice, then you need to run to and not away from the noise. you see, it's wonderful to volunteer at your local homeless shelter. please, do that. but you also need to attend the city council meetings and make sure the zoning laws don't shut that shelter down. are you thinking of teaching in an underserved school, if so i'm glad to hear that. so many kids need you. but you also have to elect good people to your schoolboard and state legislature because they
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he's an associate professor at northwestern university school of journalism. peter, michelle obama goes out there every year. she gets attacked every year for something she says in commencement addresses. she knows that's coming, doesn't she? >> she certainly knows it's coming and she talks about being true to herself, true to do message she wants to deliver. she does not lack confidence in these situations, but she has a clear sense of purpose when she gives these speeches. >> let's listen to what she said about democracy. >> it is loud and messy and it's not particularly warm and fuzzy. believe me, i know this from personal experience. over the years, i've occasionally run into the noise myself. but i've come to realize that most of that clamor is really coming from just a handful of very loud folks out on the fringes. >> peter, we learned from her
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commencement address at tuskegee and some other public address at times is she does take some of that criticism, some of the attacks against her, especially during the first presidential campaign, she does take some of them personally. >> that's right. she talked in tuskegee a few weeks ago about the moments in the first campaign in 2008 where critics were questioning who she was, what she stood for and she said it, it put her back. she has gotten more used to it. she figured out she still has a message to deliver and there are going to be some people who will just keep coming at her, keep coming to the president, but she decide this is a message she wants to keep giving, especially to the young people. >> these speeches, which she delivers brilliantly allegation raise the question of what is she going to do next? what is she going to do in her post white house years?
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>> that's right. well, politics is definitely not her favorite activity. she's made no secret of that. barack obama talks about how little she likes doing some of what you have to do in politics. but i'll defer to him on the question of whether she would get into politics. he was asked, ghee, what would you think if you were told ten years from now that your wife had gotten involved in politics? and he said, i think she would have been probably abducted by aliens. she has talked about -- she has talked about how she wants to keep working on education, which she describes as the greatest cervical rights challenge of the future, of this generation. she is clearly going to keep speaking out. she will always be a mentor. she's a mentor to her bones. and i think you can see that in these speeches to young people. she has made clearly that she fully intends to stay involved, though running for office may not quite be her thing. >> so are we looking at something like the rosalyn
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carter post presidential years, public service. >> i think it's clear she will do public service. i think she herself may not know quite what form that will take. she has about every option you could ever want. she'll certainly do some writing, she'll do some speaking, they clearly will have this obama foundation, they will have the library. i think, too, we're seeing in the second term that she is more and more outspoken about the issue she cares about, particularly about the lack of opportunity in this country. she'll talk about disadvantage. and i think that that conversation is one that she fully plans to continue after 2017. she'll only be 53 years old. >> peter slevin, thank you very much for joining us tonight. >> pleasure to be here. coming up, important comedy. comedy that changes our understanding of the possible.
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computer dating services have been with us longer than you think. much longer. here is the legendary comedy team of stiller and meara on johnny carson's "tonight show" way back in the days of black and wheat tv. >> thank you very much. recently, there's been a lot of talk about computers in the newspapers. they've even managed to date people with the help of computers. so jerry and i would like you to meet a couple who have been ideally matched by a computer and they meet for the very first time. >> how do you do? >> how do you do? >> i'm hershey horowitz. >> i'm mary elizabeth doyle. >> so what's so funny about the name mary elizabeth doyle? why the big laugh just for that name? it was comedy of the impossible. in those days, it was virtually
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impossible to imagine a beautiful irish catholic girl or any irish catholic girl named mary elizabeth doyle marrying a jewish man, any jewish man. and audiences in those days were hyper alert to ethnic names. the computer dating bit turned on the idea that no one had turned on the idea that no one could tell an irish name from a catholic name and they should never been thrown in the same dating pool. and the fact that all of us in the audience knew that stiller and meara really were that impossible couple, that she was married to the jewish man she was performing with lifted that bit into the realm of important comedy. comedy that teaches an important lesson in a way that nothing else can.
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and i can tell you as a little irish catholic boy growing up in boston and still a long way from dating, watching stiller and meara opened my eyes to possibilities that i never saw in my neighborhood. anne meara was a serious actress doing shake spears in the park and such things when her husband, jerry stiller, lured her into working as a comedy team with him. fame as a comedy team brought them both many, many more acting offers. they have two children, amy and ben stiller. anne and jerry kept working throughout parenthood and grandparenthood. anne meara was nominated for four emmys and won a writer's guild award for the 1983 tv movie "if other women." here are anne and jerry in a movie cowritten by their son, ben stiller, how they played a trick on the "new york times" about an obituary. >> do you know that jerry ford, to get my father, eddie meara's
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obituary into the "new york times" and they said -- >> that's right, i did. >> what does your father-in-law do? >> they needed a -- something to -- >> and he said, well, he baby-sits. he baby-sits for our kids. >> that's right. >> he says that's nothing. is that all? no no. >> and finally they pushed him and he says, well, yeah, he writes our material. >> he wrote all my material. he says that guy doesn't get into the "new york times." >> and at the wake, his friends, his poker playing buddy webs they said that eddie meara, he never let on. >> no one had to fight to get anne meara's obituary in the "new york times" this weekend. she died at the age of 85. we will all remember an in the meara in different ways. some of you will remember her from "sex in the city" or for countless other tv and film
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appearances. but i will always remember her the way i first saw her, on stage with jerry. i always think of them together, even when i see anne or jerry working alone, i always think of them together. stiller and meara. full of fun, full of love, and wisdom, doing important comedy that helped open our eyes to the world around us. >> i'm mary elizabeth doyle. >> doyle? >> horowitz? >> horowitz, h-o-o-o-w-i-t-z, hershey. my friends call me hersh. >> doyle, d-o-y-l-e. my friends call me mary elizabeth. >> is doyle your real name?
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>> sure. why wouldn't it be my real name? >> i don't know. i mean, i was just hoping -- >> no, we're doyles. we're dempseys on my mother's side. >> dempsey. horowitz. >> smorowitz on my mother's side. this computer is a very good thing. >> oh, terrific. >> i heard all about it. >> takes all the guesswork out of meeting someone. >> yeah. >> tonight on "all in," nine people are dead in 32 shootings hell, no, we won't go. let's play "hardball."
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good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. hillary clinton has a rival for the presidency, a democratic rival. senator bernie sanders of vermont who declared his candidacy have a chance, does a declared socialist have a chance in the country when less than one of five of us call ourselves an economic liberal. all that said i think this man is going to enjoy that run for president because that one in five figure includes a heck of a number of democratic primary caucus voters to and a number want to see hillary clinton pulled leftward on economic issues and three, americans tend to root for the underdog and, four, it's the only game in town. here's senator sanders announcing his campaign up in burlington, vermont. >> today with your support and the support of millions of people throughout our country, we begin a political revolution to transform our country economically, politically,