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preparing to attack police officers here in massachusetts, calling them an easy target. they say he discarded the idea of beheading a woman in new york: investigators say that when boston police and the fbi shot 26-year-old usaama rahim tuesday they feared he was about to board a bus carrying a knife preparing to attack police officers. officials say the fbi, concerned about his jihadist social media postings, already had him under surveillance. newly filed court documents reveal the fbi was watching when he went on amazon twice last week and bought three military-style fives with long blades. four days ago, court documents say, rahim told two other people he planned to behead a victim in another state. law enforcement officials say it was pamela geller, the activist and commentator who organized last month's draw mohammed contest in garland, texas. in a written statement she says "they targeted me for violating sharia blasphemy laws."

but on dawn tuesday police say they overheard rahim say that he changed his mind and decided to attack massachusetts police officers later this very day or the next. the fbi says he told a friend "i'm just going go after them those boys in blue because it's the easiest target." the man investigators say rahim was talking to on the phone, 25-year-old david wright appeared wednesday in federal court charged with encourage rag hemoto get rid of evidence by destroying the smart phone. congressional leaders briefed on the plot say isis social media played a role. >> this is a growing trend, it's a growing problem in terms of our counterterrorism atmosphere and it's really terrorism gone viral. >> reporter: also wednesday, boston police and the fbi took the unusual step of showing community leaders a surveillance video of the rahim shooting saying it proves officers were backing away as he advanced on them with a knife. a third man in rhode island who investigators say was in on some of the conversations with rahim has been questioned by the fbi

but no charges have been filed and as for the idea of attacking that woman in new york one official calls that strictly talk, a fantasy. jose? >> pete williams thank you very much. i want to bring in assistant metro editor of the "boston globe," mike bello. mike, good morning. >> good morning, sir. >> have you learned anything new or more about the connection between usaama rahim and isis or isis propaganda? >> we have a front page story in the "globe" today about his facebook postings and in those postings he talks about a city in flames there's some spelling of the word rage in these ruins. there are some kind of links to isis-favored web sites, talks about certain jihadist things. there's no mention of syria and what's going on in iraq. but we know the web site did -- facebook page did belong to him

and there was a lot of intense fundamentalist belief postings and talk of violence stuff. so definitely there was an interest there. >> what do we know about him his past? anything? >> he lived in roslindale. he attended brookline high school. apparently thanked his guidance counselors after he graduated. ended up coming back here in the last couple years after living in florida and worked at a best buy. his last job was at a cvs pharmacy. took the bus to work everyday. we talked to people who would talk to him on the bus, said he was a nice guy. in fact one woman had showed him a -- one of these jihad executions or tape of one of them that was online and he turned his face from it. didn't want to look at it. so people could not believe -- one woman described him as sweet. so it was very shocking and stunning to these folks when this happened. >> i want to ask you a decision about police showing the video

to community and can community leaders. were you surprised at how quickly that occurred? >> no boston police commissioner evans and other leaders want to be transparent about what happened. they wanted these muslim clerics and african-american community leaders to see what happened on that street in that shooting. the police say they were justified. they say rahim was coming at them this w this military-style knife, violated a safety perimeter between 15 and 20 feet, felt they had to act immediately to protect themselves and that's why three shots were fired. they wanted them to see what happened. a number of leaders said definitely he was shot in the front. there was some talk that he was shot in the back. everyone acknowledges he was shot in the front, in the torso area. some of the muslim leaders said it was still inconclusive in terms of did he have a knife, did the police v weapons, they couldn't see these things because it was fuzzy, it is grainy. i assume the police will expand the photos and film to make it more visible as they conduct their investigation. the suffolk county district

attorney is conducting the investigation. >> but it cleared up rumors he had been shot in the back. >> absolutely. everyone acknowledged he was shot in the torso, shot in the chest in the front two to three times. >> mike bello, always a pleasure, thank you for being with me. next hour we'll have much more on what the video of the shooting does and doesn't show when we talk to ibrahim hooper with the council of american/islamic relations. now to the pentagon where we're following developments in the anthrax goofup. two words you don't want to hear in the same sentence. anthrax and goofup not good. we're learning the number of live anthrax samples possibly sent out by military labs more than double the number they originally thought. let's get the latest from the pentagon and nbc's jim mig la miklaszewski miklaszewski. jim, good morning. >> good morning, not only has the pentagon said there's more shipments of live anthrax than previously reported but defense officials are warning it can only get worse.

by the pentagon's own count, the number of potentially deadly shipments of live anthrax has more than doubled. 51 research labs in 17 states district of columbia and three foreign countries received the shamts s shipments over the past ten years and still counting. >> we expect the number may rise because the scope of the investigation is going on. >> reporter: anthrax shipments from military labs like dugway proving ground in utah are irradiated. that's supposed to kill any live anthrax spores before they're shipped to other labs for research. >> we issue a death certificate that says this organism is now dead. >> reporter: but in at least two shipments, the labs in maryland and canada the system failed and the anthrax was very much alive. >> this vial -- >> reporter: despite the potential threat, the pentagon sent out to assure the wary public, how anthrax is shipped in small vials by fedex in small

containers and packed in dry ice. >> as of this point we see no danger to the broader american public. >> reporter: experts in biochemical warfare agree. >> the chances of getting anthrax from the dilution of these samples in the form in which they were in is virtually nil. >> reporter: here's why officials at the pentagon are so confident the public is not at risk. this is the size of each shipment. kind of hard to see on camera. it's one milliliter. for those not familiar with met metric metrics, that's one-fifth of a teaspoon. and they say the shipment of anthrax either alive or dead is so small and diluted it doesn't pose a serious health risk. the good news is that over the past ten years while some of these shipments apparently were live nobody came down with any symptoms. the bad news here is jose that it took ten years to discover

the mistake. >> right. and jim i'm worried. who gave you that sample and said there was nothing in there? >> well, you know, that's confidential i can't tell you. and this in here by the way is not anthrax. it's fruit juice. just to put a -- give it some color. >> i just want to make sure because ten years later we don't want there to be some kind of mistake. jim, thank you very much at the pentagon. good to see you. now developing news on the west coast. we're keeping a close eye on a powerful hurricane churning off the pooh pacific coast of mexico. blanca. the national hurricane center says it expects blanca to gain strength in the next day or so. meteorologist bail karins is tracking the storm. what are you looking for, bill? >> this is a rare event to have a storm this strong, this early the season. this is the second or third one we've had in areas of the west pacific. the storm looks impressive on satellite imagery. it peaked early last night, overnight it weakened slightly. the storm will start moving and heading towards the baja ben

nins -- peninsula. it will goo up to category four tomorrow. that's a serious storm. by the time it gets up near la paz and cabo san lucas, it should weaken significantly. colder waters and upper level winds won't be as favorable and that's why we think it will be a tropical storm but it's possible if you have plans down the cabo san lucas as you go throughout the weekend, you could deal with a tropical storm. not a hurricane most likely but gusty winds and large waves. computer models take it somewhere near baja california. the other is the cool chilly weather. rainy weather hasn't been good beach weather in days in areas of the carolinas and virginia. so that area is struggling a bit but overall calm in the lower 48 today. >> it is. and those storms have been affecting us down in south florida. >> you're in your rainy season now, right? >> that's right. and hurricane season first of june. we have to remember that. bill good to see you, thanks. we're just getting started on

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developing right now in our nation's capital, look at this foggy live picture, you can barely make out the washington monument there. see it?

i want to show it to you because the landmark reopened for the first time since it was shut down on monday after a power failure. everything has been fixed and it's back to business as usual with a lot of fog. but it's texas that's front and center today in the race for president. hillary clinton is on day two of her texas campaign swing and she's not going to be the lone star there today. in just a couple of hours, the state will play host to another campaign announcement. this time it's former texas governor rick perry joining the fray becoming candidate number ten in the republican race. he's already out with his first online campaign video. >> you see, a lot of candidates will say the right things. whether it's about the border whether it's about taxes, whether it's about spending but we need a president who has done the right thing. we need a president who bridges the partisan divide rather than widen it. who brings people together. we must do right and risk the

consequences. consequences. >> msnbc's casey shunt in addison, texas, north of dallas for today's announcement. kasie, is this state big enough for two texans? >> that's the question today. rick perry is going to announce in front of a c-130 in front of the letters "perry for president." last time when she jumped in he shot to the top of polls. we know that's not going to happen this time. the question for him is whether or not he's going to be able to make a second first impression. >> if you want to find out everything about yourself i mean, like everything some of which is even true run for president. >> reporter: rick perry learned that the hard way. the longest-serving governor in texas history starting out on top in the 2012 presidential race. >> i was a front-runner. three of the most glorious hours of my life. >> reporter: the hours before oops. >> the third agency of government i would -- i would do away -- education, um the --

um -- [ laughter ] >> commerce. >> commerce. and, let's see -- i can't. the third one i can't. sorry. oops. >> speaking of oops i'm glad ahad my boots on. i stepped in it out there. >> reporter: perry stumbled saying that the children of undocumented immigrants to pay in-state tuition. >> if you say we should not educate children who have come into our state for no other reason than that they've been brought there by no fault of their own, i don't think you have a heart. >> reporter: perry came in fifth in iowa and dropped out before the south carolina primary. >> i have come to the conclusion that there is no viable path forward for me in this 2012 campaign. >> reporter: now he's seeking redemption, planning a texas announcement highlighting his military experience. >> i'm proud to have worn the uniform of the united states air force. i'm proud of the young men and women who travel to far flung

regions of the world today to fight for all that's right in the world. >> reporter: he's been studying up on energy and foreign policy working to correct his past mistakes. this time around perry will be vying for support with ted cruz and jeb bush who both have deep ties to texas and still looming? a state indictment for abuse of power that his team dismisses as politically motivated? >> this indictment amounts to nothing more than abuse of power. >> reporter: perry has already been campaigning hard in early states, doing event after event, no matter how small, trying to show voters this time he's for real. >> i think over the course of the last two years people realize that what they saw in 2012 is certainly not the person they're looking at in 2013 2014, 2015. >> reporter: jose one early test for perry is going to be fund-raising. that's where the texas ties come in whether or not since he's no longer governor he can compete with ted cruz and jeb bush who

have deep ties to the state and raise enough money. jeb bush now is expected to announce on june 15 he'll finally put an end to this will he or won't he is he actually a candidate, not a candidate back and forth. he, of course slipped up and said "i'm running for president" at an event in nevada a few weeks ago and he's been taking some heat for potentially skirting campaign finance laws. we're expecting that will come to an end finally here on june 15. jose? >> kaseiekasie, they're cranking up the tunes behind you, right? >> i don't know if you like country music but if you cover republican presidential candidates you have to get used to it pretty quick. >> reporter: kasie hunt in texas, thanks so much. we're also following hillary clinton on the campaign trail in texas today. the democratic front-runner will be in houston where she'll be speaking on voting rights. but it's clinton's newest primary challenger, lincoln chafee grabbing headlines after his 2016 announcement.

he wasted no time attacking hillary clinton on iraq her judgment and ethics. msnbc's alex seitz-wald spoke the newest democratic candidate. alex good morning. >> reporter: good morning, jose. lincoln chafee went after clinton hard on her ethics, calling her opportunistic, saying donations to the clinton foundation colored her judgment as secretary of state and he -- when i asked him if he would vote for hillary clinton in the general election if she's the democratic nominee he wouldn't say. take a look. >> i'll cross that bridge if we get to it. i'm just not convinced she's going to be the democratic nominee. i think that the democrats have to use this republican war against the republicans in 2016. it's their war. they started it. so. >> so he knows his quickest path to relevancy is going after hillary clinton in the way other candidates aren't willing to do but there's a danger for him here.

this is a guy who became a democrat only two years ago running for the democratic nomination, going after one of the most popular democrats in the country. that might turn people off. >> alex, what does the clinton campaign say about this dnc report about fund raising? >> that's right. this was a report that the finance chairman of the dnc, who's supposed to remain impartial, the democratic national committee is not supposed to get involved, pick sides, is fund-raising for hillary clinton. and it's raised questions from other candidates who are questioning whether or not whether the dnc can remain impartial. this came up around the debates, some people accusing the dnc of being friendly to the hillary clinton campaign. and it's going to continue to come up. i mean, the chairman of the democratic national committee, debbie wasserman schultz was the chair of her presidential campaign. so that's something to watch. >> alex seitz-wald, thank you for being with me. after the break, we'll zoom through other top stories,

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we're hearing from the duggars for the first time just weeks after allegations became public that their eldest son josh once molested a number of underage girls. we learn they included four of his sisters. jim bob and michelle say their son confessed to his father on three separate occasions over the course of the year. here's nbc's joe friar with more. >> i think as parents we felt we're failures. >> reporter: appearing on fox news, jim bob and michelle duggar recalled the first time their oldest son josh approached them with a confession. >> josh came to us on his own and he was crying and he adjust turned 14 and he said that he had actually improperly touched some of our daughters. >> at first the daughters say they dealt with it specially but the problems continued? >> it was after the third time he came to us is where we really

felt like, you know what we have done everything we can as parents to hand this will in house, we need to get help. >> reporter: according to a police report newly obtained by "in touch" magazine through the freedom of information act, a document that was sealed josh duggar confessed to his father three times over the course of the year march 2002 july 2002 and march 2003. it's that delay that concerns some. >> josh duggar should have been removed from the home. he should not have been allowed to stay there. >> reporter: after the third confession the duggars say they sent josh to a training center for boys who made bad choices. >> for days and days i was saying, you know josh has done some very bad things and he's -- he's very sorry. >> reporter: the duggars say the training center worked. when josh returned home they had him speak with a state trooper. he was not charge. the duggars say they never felt

an obligation to tell people sooner. >> as parents you are not mandated reporter. the law allows parents to do what's "cbs evening news" for their child. >> so why do a rhealeality show on tv five years later? >> everything was taken care of. it was a sealed juvenile record. >> the fact that the records are public is what upsets two of the daughters who spoke out. >> they don't a right to do this. we're victims, they can't do this to us. >> that was nbc's joe fryer. tlc has pulled "19 kids and counting" from its schedule but hasn't cancelled that show. now to developing news in the race for the white house and the major push by the democrats for the latino vote. hillary clinton is returning to las vegas to speak at a latino conference later this month. this news comes after clinton held a round table on immigration in the city last month. then there's martin o'malley also focusing on latinos his

first public event was at the u.s. hispanic chamber of commerce yesterday. our next guest asked if he would tackle immigration reform within his first 100 days in office. take a listen. >> i would absolutely do everything in my power we have to persuade congress but i would not give up. there were many things that i would use my executive authority to protect public safety but also guided by the truth that we should not be breaking up families families. the joining me now, the president and ceo of the hispanic chamber of commerce. good to see you. >> good morning, jose. >> you spoke to o'malley yesterday. how did he live up to your expectations? >> first of all, credit where credit is due. this was his first public engagement after his announcement on saturday. we talked about a variety of issues from the economy to jobs to government regulation to race

relations and, of course immigration. is he lived up to the expectation. >> javier, one of the things i appreciate about your line of questioning to him was, well would you give us a guarantee if you were elected president you would have immigration reform within your first hundred day. that question is a question a lot of politicians don't like to answer because president obama when he was a candidate said yes he would and that keeps coming back at him. how did he answer that specifically? >> there were three things that stood out in regards to his response. one, he would deal with it within the first 100 days in office. secondly he promised to look at it beyond the social and civil rights aspects of this he promised to look at it from an economic perspective. and an organization that represents 3.2 million hispanic owned firms in this country that

contribute over $486 billion to the american economy, this is important to us. we look at it from an economic perspective. he committed to looking at it from that perspective as well then again he also committed to if necessary using executive authority and executive action to get things done. >> and javier one of the things your organization does so well is highlight the fact that hispanics are a large group, the largest minority in the country and not just about immigration. there are so many other issues of importance to the latino community as well as the general community at large. what are the things you think all candidates need to know about the latino community and how to reach that latino community? >> that's a great question jose and thank you. you're right. our community is not monolowlithic. we worry about the things that all americans worry about -- jobs, the economy, national

security, importance to relations. so our questions are around those issues. there was a total of 106 questions from me to him. he addressed them all straight on. we agreed on some of his responses and in others frankly, we didn't agree but he was forthright. i got the sense this man is not necessarily a politician but a public servant. he was very deliberate and thoughtful in his responses in contrast to our conversation with senator cruz. o'malley didn't spend any time contrasting himself or taking on the administration or the president, he talked about his experience and what he has learned with his track record and talked about how he would use those experiences to lead the nation and how he would aflaw what he's learned over a broad history of being a public

servant. >> always a pleasure to see you, thanks for being with me. >> thank you, my friend. have a great day. >> let me bring in leigh ann caldwell who is covering the issue of the latino vote. good morning, how are you? >> good morning, jose i'm great. >> how is the o'malley campaign going to go for the latino vote in contrast with what maybe hillary clinton is trying to do? >> martin o'malley says he's going to run on his record and he has a strong record on the issue of immigration he highlighted that yesterday when he spoke to the hispanic chamber of commerce and immigration advocates are well aware of that. they praise o'malley they say he's the one with the best record who has done the most action than any of the candidates so far and he's appealing to them but he's going to have huge competition against hillary clinton. yesterday he did say he vowed to

act within 100 days. he said it's going to be difficult with a congress that might not be on the same page as him but that he won't give up. and advocates are really pleased with that. >> and if you do look at o'malley's record as governor for example, as you mentioned, he got driver's licenses for undocumented immigrants, he passed the maryland dream act and said undocumented minors should not be sent home but treated as refugees. how do you think the clinton campaign is seeing this? will there be pressure on the clinton campaign to be more forthright and clear on the hispanic issues? one of the things that i've been struck by is the fact that some of the folks, latinos that worked with obama on both elections have now gone over to o'malley's side. >> the clinton campaign is not taking anything for granted. she has traditionally done very well with latinos, even hope the she lost the primary in 2008 latinos backed her 2-1 over barack obama. her husband, bill clinton, got

72% of the latino vote in his election in 1996 and so she has a really strong relationship with latinos. but she has had some missteps. in the 2008 campaign she said she would not support giving undocumented immigrants driver's licenses but she'll do everything she can and she has already started to indicate it's going to be a critical issue for her. >> and the clinton campaign will tell you that mrs. clinton has been working with the latino community for 30 years. it will be interesting to see how the o'malley pressure changes things if at all. good to see you, thank you. >> thank you. straight ahead on "the rundown," crews in china are getting ready to lift the capsized cruise ship out of the water. we'll get more on the progress and the search for victims. also 26 years ago in china a significant moment in history. that's what the chinese military sent troops and tanks into tiananmen square to crack down on student protesters who wanted freedom and democracy. we'll talk about the censorship

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of trying to find survivors as well as recovering the dead but realistically the chances of finding anybody alive must be very small. only 14 people have been brought out alive and they were all the day after the ferry went down. we were on the river today as part of a government-organized trip down to see the rescue operation. people, many rescue workers, were still on the hull of the submerged ship. they were there still opening holes in that ship and going down sending divers in looking for people still alive. at this point only bringing up bodies, 77 recovered so far this week. we also witnessed today these big salvage ships. two huge salvage ship which is have been brought up beside the hull of the stricken ship ready to be connected, ready to start to bring it out of the water at three salvage vessels are

standing off to one side. we anticipate this will get under way at any time. it may be quite a long process. at the same time, the security around the site is enormous trying to prevent any sort of unauthorized access affect that's added to the anger of relatives demanding more information and are also demand demanding speedier recovery. a spokesman to the transport ministry here said there would be a thorough investigation and that there would be no coverup, jose. >> pete williams thank you very much for that live report from china. elsewhere in china if you walk by tiananmen square in beijing today you'll probably figure this is a day like any other. outside of stepped-up security there are no signs, no memorials, no indication that 26 years ago today it was a scene of one of the most brutal political crackdowns of the 20th century. on june 4 1989, the chinese military crushed a pro-democracy

movement sending troops and tanks into the square to confront crowds of student protesters that all they were asking for is democracy and freedom. the death toll exactly will never be known. some estimates put in the the thousands. 26 years later, the chinese government maintains a strict ban on discussion of the 1989 massacre even rounding up activists and dissidents to keep them quiet. gordon chang is a "forbes" columnist in and the author of "the coming collapse of china" gordon good to see you. this censorship has been so effective i understand most people in china have never heard heard of tiananmen. >> i remember being in china, working in shanghai having drinks with my client and his girlfriend who was chinese and she had no idea what we were talking about when we said 1989 and tiananmen. so clearly there's a whole class

of people in china who have no idea how prepressive their government is. and this is important because now they are defiant because they don't fear beijing. >> they may not fear beijing but they don't know what beijing is willing to do to its own people if they get of hand and come out of the little box of freedoms quote/unquote, they're allowed i have to. so how does it work? how is it that they've been so effective in keeping this regime in place and keeping so many people unaware of what happened just a quarter century ago? >> i think the communist party maintains the most sophisticated set of internet controls and also controls over education, propaganda and everything else so they are able to control the narrative, at least for many people. of course there are some people in society who are so interested they jump over the great firewall, which is what the internet controls are called in

china so they do know about this. of course, chinese do travel and when they travel to places like hong kong and taipei the most important thing they do is go to book stores because they want to see and read what they can't at home. so essentially the communist party has been sophisticated about this so it has been able to make sure that people do not understand what's going on. >> gordon talk to me how if you go to china and the places and sites you see a country where you don't breathe oppression or repression because it's so financially active. but how is it that a regime -- the same regime that had the cultural revolution and was able to kill millions of its own people, how is that regime able to have that fine line? that you don't see the repression if you visit it or maybe even if you live there and yet it's right under the surface 24/7. >> when we moved there, my wife and i, in august 1996 we saw a

very different china for about six months. and then all of a sudden the story became clear about how indicted coercive the political system is because we talked to people and they started to tell their stories but if you go through for two or three days you will never see the instruments of repression because they have been very sophisticated in beijing inning down that. when you control the story, when you basically start kids out in an educational system they don't know much else then you have an ability to basically tell your story and enforce it for very many people. >> gordon chang, thank you for being with me today. >> thank you jose. after a quick break, the fda is taking up the issue of the little pink pill. it's being compared to the female viagra to boost women's sex drives. and part of the pr blitz for the drug including a parody of those commercials aimed at men.

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and developing now in washington let's take a look at an ongoing fda hearing on something called the little pink pill or viagra for women. advisory committee can decide whether the fda should approve the first government approved treatment for female sexual dysfunction. kate snow spoke with a woman who benefitted during clinical trials. >> didn't make me feel differently during the day but at the end of the long day no matter how tired i was i wanted to initiate and it was not work

to do that. >> reporter: amanda was testing a drug intended for premenopausal women. in that trial funded by the drug maker women on the drug reported improvements in sexual desire and one more satisfying sexual event per month than women not taking the drug. >> let's bring in elizabeth cline. what a pleasure to see you. >> what a pleasure to see you. >> it is hard to avoid the ed commercials for men but no drug approved for women in a similar situation until now. >> absolutely. a lot of women hope the fda passes the drug because it could be a pivotal moment. men have had an option for almost two decades now and women have zero. there were actually 26 drugs on the market to help men with any kind of sexual problems they may experience and we have none for women. that is unacceptable given that one in ten women deal with this

issue on a daily basis. >> why do you think this drug is getting so much attention by female reproductive health advocates. >> we are fine with passing legislation that controls women's bodies. we heard scott walker talk about how trans vaginalulse trusounds can be a cool thing when it comes to giving women more freedom and control it seems to be another -- it seems to make people feel uncomfortable. we are fine with talking about how men can have pleasure in the bedroom but for women it's a hard conversation to have. as you showed before the break we have parody ads about what the commercials look like. >> you remember elizabeth when the male viagra thing started it it was difficult for guys to talk about it. there had to be a break through. maybe this is what is needed now

on this pink pill or whatever version of it comes out. >> absolutely. i think we are heading into the right direction having conversation right now at 9:50 in the morning. and what is happening with the fda we have to talk about the fact that a lot of medical groups are talking about how this is gender biassed. there is a cost benefit analysis when the fda approves any kind of drug. you look at what are the side effects and benefits of the drug. with viagra they did the same analysis and found that viagra can make you go blind but men need to have pleasure in the bedroom. this is an important benefit. for women there is nausea and drowsiness which are important side effects but there wasn't that same. we are hoping to see whether it is female pleasure or male pleasure we need safe and effective ways of dealing with that. >> thank you for being with me. coming up we take you back to boston where there is new

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them the boys in blue because it is the easiest target. court documents indicate at least two other men knew about the plot. one was arrested and appeared in court. the other has been questioned but not charged. we have the very latest. where does the investigation go from here? >> reporter: good morning. investigators believe they have identified everyone involved with this alleged plot including that third man who was involved with some of the planning conversations. authorities have questioned him as of now he has not been charged with a crime. new court documents reveal that the fbi was watching usaamah rahim as he ordered three large knives online in late may and shifted the focus from targeting a woman in new york to attacking a massachusetts police officer. the boys in blue as he described them, in the phone call with david wright. wright has been charged with

encouraging rahim to destroy evidence. he was charged yesterday in court. after his arrest he told authorities that he not only agreed with rahim's plan but supported it fully. back to you. >> thank you very much. i want to talk more on this issue on a meeting between community leaders and police. i am joined by national communications director for council on american islamic relations. thanks for being with me. >> thanks for having me. >> i understand you were not in the meeting but two colleagues were. what did you find out? >> two of our massachusetts chapter board members were in the meeting. they watched the video and reported back to us like other members of the community reported back. basically they are saying that the video somewhat supports the police and fbi version of events in terms of them backing away from mr. rahim. but it's inconclusive in terms

of them not being able to see a weapon a knife that the video was very poor quality and from quite a distance. so it was somewhat supportive of the police version but ultimately inconclusive. >> i want to play for you part of what we heard from community leaders after they watched the video you referred to. >> what the video does reveal to us very clearly is that the individual was not on the cell phone. the individual was not shot in the back. >> the film the video is inconclusive. i don't think he was shot in the back. however, we couldn't see clearly. it was very like very far away. we can't be clear as to what transpired. >> the reason that so many of the people have been talking about that he was not shot in the back is because early on we heard from the victim's family

and others who insisted he had been shot in the back. that apparently is not a discrepancy. >> that stemmed from a facebook post from the brother of mr. rahim. i have spoken to the brother and his father. the family is obviously very upset about this. we're upset, too, about this entire situation particularly troubling would be if true the allegations that there was a plot to attack police officers this would be obviously firmly rejected and repudiated by the entire american muslim community. we see that again, what you are seeing if these allegations prove true is this online so-called radicalization because these kinds of things are not taught in mosques. in fact studies have repeatedly shown and evidence has shown that mosques and the muslim community itself is a moderating

influence that discourages trend towards extremism of any type. >> it is not being taught in mosques in the united states. it may be being taught in mosques in other parts of the world. that can be filmed. that is something that people can have easy access to via online. that's where you see the globalization really causes people to be able to find people's thoughts and comments where they may be being said thousands of miles away from here. >> religious extremists from the middle east are making active efforts to try to attract people lone individuals or small groups of individuals. that's where we are seeing this kind of phenomenon. it's not in mosques. it's not in the american muslim community. >> how do you fight back against something like that? >> it's difficult because when somebody goes to a mosque they hear a very moderate mainstream message and then when they go

online they hear something extreme. so which message are they listening to and how do you get them to listen to the mainstream message and not the message from extremists? >> thank you for being with me. appreciate your time. >> we learned boston authorities say they will not release the surveillance video of the shooting of usaamah rahim today or tomorrow. for more i am joined from capitol hill by oregon democratic senator, senior member of the senate intelligence committee and long time critic of mass surveillance. what a pleasure to see you. >> thank you. >> how worried are you that while this gentleman was possibly very close to carrying out an attack but was only stopped before he had a chance to and apparently they were listening to his conversations? >> i am going to have to have more details and asking for a

classified briefing on it. this is a dangerous world. i have been on the intelligence committee for 14 years. we have to make sure that we pursue approaches that make us safer and protect our liberties. what we did this week a program on phone records on law abiding people that chipped away at our liberties. >> what is the difference between the nsa holding all of this data and a private company holding the same data and actually being asked to bring it in when the nsa wants it? >> first of all, i have always felt that in the private sector you might lose money and might be inconvenienced. we have a lot of data. when the government knows who

you called and where you call from the government knows a lot of private information about you. if the government knows that somebody called a psychiatrist three times in 36 hours twice after midnight they don't have to be listening to that call. >> senator, as you know there are a lot of colleagues of yours, people around the country think they are not satisfied with this new usa freedom act. how confident are you that the country is safe? >> i believe this is a strong start. certainly there is more to do. we are going to have to be looking at these back doors in particular. section 702 when you go after a foreign target. we are having a lot of americans swept up in the back door. we ought to reform these programs again to make sure that we can protect our country's security but also our liberty. we have for example, emergency authorities, one of the parts of the bill that passed this week

that i support is it strengthened emergency authorities. the government believes there is something that effects our well being, our security in this country the government can move to get that information now and go back and deal with the warrant later. >> thank you for your time. >> there are new developments in the quadruple mansion murders. new court documents show investigators are zeroing in on the man with a close connection to the family. the latest from peter alexander. >> good morning to you. the court documents obtained show the man that police are looking at is jordan wallace, assistant who according to police changed the account of what happened with the $40,000 in ransom money. this morning the "washington post" is reporting details of the text messages that wallace exchanged with an unnamed woman and sent her a photograph of a red bag with the ransom inside. according to the post they read

i wonder how much it is and from wallace 40. the woman responding jesus. an hour and a half later wallace wrote saying package delivered. this morning three weeks after the murders of the family and their house keeper d.c. police are focusing on this man, 28-year-old jordan wallace his assistant and personal driver the man who delivered the ransom to the multimillion dollar home. in warrants police say wallace admitted he lied and changed his account about the ransom including how he received the package, where he left it and when he was told to get the package. detectives obtained a search warrant for calls, texts and locations beginning sunday may 10 three days before police believe the terrifying ordeal began. nbc news has been unable to reach wallace. he hasn't been charged with crime in connection with the

case. darren wint the only charged with the murders. the documents reveal police believe the killer or killers forced their way into the mansion, breaking a window pane and a set of french doors on the side of the home kicking them in, a shoe or boot print visible on the outside. police searching for the foot wear that matches that print. does it belong to darren wint? >> would be a lot of blood at the scene. if he was wearing shoes different than the foot print at the door that would indicate two perpetrators. >> reporter: the family's two teenage daughters are left to grieve. the court documents reveal some evidence that police are hoping to find in this case specifically inside the vehicle and a box truck that he was following that day. they include weapons that may have been used in the murder a

digital video recorder used to capture and store surveillance video and duct tape that can be used to bind hands and feet. at this point it is unclear what if any of that evidence police have found. back to you. >> thank you very much. coming up on the run down an explosive new report about the american red cross. major failure, broken promises and squandered donations following a natural disaster. we will talk to people behind the report. hillary clinton continuing her campaign through the lone star state and former governor rick perry announcing his presidential run. he'll run nine other republican candidates already in the race including senator lindsey graham who spoke out earlier on morning joe. >> i am making the case that i am best qualified to be commander in chief when i think national security is failing. people are very interested in about what i would do not just

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and now to developing news out of texas where hillary clinton is on a campaign swing and plans to speak about voting rights when she receives an award later today. clinton is expected to make major policy announcements in a state at the center of controversies. joining me now is zack roth covering voting rights. good morning. >> good morning. >> how big is clinton expected to go? >> well pretty big. according to her campaign she will call for a national standard of at least 20 days of early voting for every state. and that would include weekend

and evening voting to accommodate working people and people who have family commitments. she will urge congress to strengthen the voting rights act which was badly weakened in 2013 by the supreme court. and she will draw a real contrast with republicans calling out restrictive voting laws in ohio wisconsin, north carolina and in texas all passed by republicans. the other thing to note here is her top campaign lawyer has filed lawsuits against ohio and wisconsin challenging cuts to early voting there. the campaign itself has said it is not involved but supports the lawsuits. more evidence that these battles over voting are starting earlier than ever this cycle and likely to be with us through election day and perhaps beyond. >> thank you. good to see you. joining me now the ladies from the cycle. how are you? >> good. how are you? >> anytime i'm not with you i

feel bad. >> love to have you here. we can pull another chair to the table. >> how significant is this push by clinton on the issue of voting rights? >> i think it is quite significant and really smart. if she will be successful she has to be sure the coalition that backed president obama comes out to support her. this is an issue that has a lot of resonance across the democratic base. frankly, i think it's very hard to be posed to more people voting. i know that these voting rights issues have become partisan in recent years but the average american looking at this has to say what's wrong with people having more of a chance to vote? what is wrong with people having opportunity on evenings and weekends to be able to vote? i think it is hard to be against. >> i want to talk to you about texas. former governor rick perry announcing his run for president. you asked him how his famous

oops moment defined him in 2012. how does he run differently? >> if you remember four years ago this time rick perry was the candidate that the donors and primary voters were probably most excited about running. there were bumps in the road including this oops moment. i remember sitting at that debate with my mom next to rick perry's wife when this happened. he came up to us during the commercial break and i think we knew things were going to be different. he brushes things off. he is probably the most likable candidate in the race. if you put that aside there is a lot going for rick perry. he will say i have been longest serving governor. i built up the economy. it is now the 12th and 13th largest economy in the world. there is a lot to like. are people going to be able to move past the first impression and see sort of what he is trying to talk about, bigger issues about the economy. he will say a strong economic engine everything else is much

better. there is a reason why governors are often present because they are the ceo of the state and know what it means to run a legislature to pass a budget. i think people should give him another look. >> the tough thing for him is that even that texas economic engine has really slowed since gas prices have dropped. they have been losing jobs in texas. so his chance was last time around not only because he didn't make the best impression last time and has to overcome that hill. you have jeb bush who has texas connection. you have ted cruz who sucked up some of the far right support in texas, the donor class has moved elsewhere. so it's going to be hard for him to separate himself this time around. >> i'm wondering how difficult is it for a national candidate to overcome an image of himself or herself created some time ago. the fact that he has reading

glasses and didn't last time it is still the same person. how do you overcome something like that an image issue? >> first impressions are so important in campaigns. debates are so important and media plays a big role in defining the candidates. sort of how we think about them it's a real challenge. that is probably going to be his greatest challenge. you mentioned jeb bush. he also made the announcement of the announcement today if you know anything about that chemistry the song of the day is bad blood between the bush and perry family. i'm sure the perrys are not too thrilled about that. >> that's a big deal that jeb bush is finally going to be defining his future. >> a real candidate. >> a real candidate, not just the pretend candidate. >> before i go what do you think? i'm thinking of a new -- >> i like it. i think it is a keeper. >> i think you pull it off. >> thank you so much. i can't see a thing now. i can never read the prompter

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we turn to colorado where court will resume in a couple of minutes for the day in the movie theater shooting trial. the last days of testimony have focused on james holmes mental state at the time of the attack with jurors watching hours of tapes. >> hi jose. >> in court yesterday the defense moved for a mill trial concerned the videos violate right against self incrimnation. tell me about that. >> in order to do a proper appeal you have to object to certain things if you think they are an issue for appeal. that is one thing. secondly one of the unique evidence rules is that you can get a lot of evidence through the psychiatrist that you wouldn't be able to get into evidence because this is kind of like an admission and this is a psychiatrist asking questions.

this is better than having the person on the stand. there is a crossover of complicated thing that we go to years to figure out in law school but really that is. one is that the objection for the appeal. two is that is it ad missable through exceptions or is this now bordering on him self-incriminating himself which is the same as him testifying? >> who owns the videos and what is the defense going to have to do now? >> the defense hasn't started. there is going to be a lot of evidence as to mental illness because he is claiming he is insane. colorado is slightly different because the burden of proving insanity is on the prosecution unlike other states where the defense has to prove the insanity. so we have want started. a lot of this information that's in these video tapes really could go either way. it could prove insanity or could

prove that he understood what he was doing at the time. it's really up to the jury to figure it out. but there is also an instruction that the jury will get that say that you can just discount all of the expert testimony and use your own common sense to decide what you believe his mental state was on that evening. >> i want to turn to the duggar family and a piece of the fox interview where they spoke about their eldest son josh confessing to inappropriately touching several of his sisters. >> as parents you are not mandatory reporters. the law allows for parents to do what they think is best for their child. we got him out of the home and sent him to this place. that was really probably the best decision we made through this whole process. >> is that the case? what is the legal responsibility then and now? >> that would take me hours to explain. each state has their own laws on what we call duty to report. there is only 18 states that have a duty to report for any

adult. all the other 48 states and two that don't have any is particular professions, nurses doctors, counselors have a duty to report child abuse or neglect if they suspect it. there are only 18 states that say any adult has the duty to report. they are correct on that and there has been a lot of movement over the past years to have duty to report for all adults. but it's legislator issue state to state. >> and it's the duty of the parent to do what if anything? >> the duty of the parent to report neglect or child abuse that they suspect. arkansas is not yet one of those 18 states. so they are correct with that. >> thank you for being with me. turning overseas where isis fighters are marching towards the city of aleppo the largest city in the country. the nation is being split apart

by isis terrorists other armed groups according to the institute for the study of war assad's government controls less than a third of the entire country. steve clemons, washington editor at large. always a pleasure. >> good to see you. >> what is going on in syria? is assad on the way out? >> no. it doesn't look like it. assad has incredible resilience inside syria. right now almost like an episode of "game of thrones" two villainous forces are creating an implicit deal to try to squeeze out one of the last big places where moderate rebels have a foothold which is in and around aleppo close to turkey. they have them potentially in a vice. at the same time because syria is also understanding that isis eventually is his foe, iran which is a patron of bashar al assad is allegedly by some reports bolesterring some

presence that it has inside syria. you have a real competition going on and the losing player in this is the free syrian army and other elements of the moderate opposition inside syria. it is a tragedy unfolding before us. >> these are the forces that the united states wants to get on the side of to help fighting isis not only there but throughout the middle east. >> one of the factors is general john allen who has been in the middle east and was reported to have said the negotiations are underway to try to get a different leadership in place inside the syrian government. he acknowledged that whom ever they come up beyond assad would potentially be political allies of assad. i don't think assad liked this. i think part of what we have seen is assad sending potentially a signal to us that he is not ready to go in a negotiated way or nonnegotiated way. we have seen this pressure which

he basically syrian planes were bombing rebel units and letting isis roll forward. this is a fairly dramatic inflection point potentially. >> talk to me about how -- there were 1,500 different opposition groups to the assad dictatorship in syria. but then the roles of the minority groups those that the syrian dictator counts as being his own people. they are originally mountain people but come down to the capital. what will it take for someone like assad to get out of there and who really supports him in and outside? >> where he is supported he is supported strongly. and one of the things that bashar al assad understands is that he has his core supporters that have the power and state power and intelligence and they have been using it and torturing people. you have others in other factions and tribes particularly in the moderate side that have

been weak. there are a lot of christians in syria who right now are across the board much more supportive of bashar al assad than they are -- >> because what if he is not there. >> so the christian groups much of the leadership is affiliated with assad. various opposition groups that are moderate opposition say that the assad government is surprise compromised of people who want to be allyied with the moderates. you would see the back bone of the state turn into something much more palletable to the west. so all of this is going on under the same time while isis is this juggernaut in the region. right now assad i think in part because of john allen's comments and other comments about assad still needing to go he is taking actions or letting isis have a pass to gut punch what's

left of the opposition inside syria. >> thanks for clearing it up. appreciate it. we want to move now to what is a stunning new report about the red cross. this morning npr are reporting that charity fell way short in delivering after the 2010 haiti earthquake. the report says half a billion dollars in donations after the quake were misspent and a promise to provide permanent housing reportedly resulted in six homes being built. reached out to the red cross in what is part of a very long statement and response. the red cross tells us these funds have helped build and operate eight hospitals and clinics, provide clean water and sanitation and move more than 100,000 people out of make shift tents into safe and improved housing while the pace of progress is never as fast as we would like haiti is better off today than five years ago. the red cross is disappointed by the lack of balance, context and

accuracy in the most recent reporting. joining me now is one of the reporters behind the piece. thanks for being with me. >> thank you. >> so i have to tell you the statement is just part of more than a dozen pages of statements and fact versus fiction papers from the red cross. what is your relationship with the red cross while you are researching and writing the story? >> we have extensive correspondence with the red cross public relations team. the main thing to know is that our story is based on the red cross's own internal documents that obtained as well as accounts of people who worked oen the program and current employees. we obtained and published a memo written by the head of the red cross's haiti program in which he says we are failing in haiti. our cholera program hasn't gotten off the ground. this is in the early days of the cholera outbreak and a host of other things including

allegations that red cross officials were making disparaging comments saying we shouldn't look at haitian resumes. so, again, the story is based on their own documents largely which we published and i encourage people to look at on our site. >> and, you know haiti on a good day is complicated as far as bureaucracies. after a devastating earthquake like that one and what came afterwards i can imagine how difficult it is. half a billion dollars is a lot of money. >> you are absolutely right. haiti is an incredibly difficult place to operate. a lot of groups had trouble there. the american red cross raised more money, about $500 million than anyone by far. and they struggled more than a lot of groups. i think part of the reason for that according to people we spoke to for the story is the american red cross doesn't do international development. typically historically they have

done disaster relief here in the u.s. they raised a huge amount of money to do reconstruction developing country. they had no experience doing that. a lot of the problems flowed from that fact. >> so is this a larger problem within the red cross or just because it was a foreign entity that they hadn't dealt with much in the past? >> i think it is a larger problem. we have done a series of stories. the organization is under financial strain. we also published an investigation last year about the american red cross's response to hurricane sandy here in new york where they also stumbled even though that was more -- so all of these stories are based on people who worked for the red cross and their own documents. the organization is troubled right now. >> i will tell you i was in texas for the floods and the red cross was there moments after everything that happened to help out. it is an interesting report that

you are giving us and one that you should look into more. thank you for being with me. appreciate it. rescue at sea. anthrax and more california tar balls. let's zoom through top stories. a cruise ship capsized in china, rescue workers are trying to lift the ship. only 14 of the more than 400 passengers on board survived. so far 77 bodies have been recovered with hundreds still missing at this hour. after cutting into the hull rescuers are hoping they will be able to retrieve those who were trapped inside the ship. officials are saying the u.s. military shipped potentially deadly anthrax to 15 labs via federal express more than double shipments initially reported. the cdc is investigating why the system to kill the live spores failed. so far four samples tested positive as testing continues all shipments of anthrax have

been put on hold. in california the historic drought forcing some farmers to take drastic measures in some cases giving up on their own crops. economic consequences huge according to a new state report more than 18,000 farm jobs and $2.7 billion in revenue expected to be lost this year. president obama addressed california's water crisis in an exclusive interview with kcra. >> i think governor brown has shown outstanding leadership under a very difficult situation. neither a governor or a president can control weather. what we can do is both adapt and take sensible steps to deal with the short term problems of the drought. >> meanwhile, more tar balls washing up on another beach in southern california, this time in long beach about 100 miles south of santa barbara where a pipeline break caused an oil spill. investigators trying to figure

out where it is coming from. the stretch of coast line closed while they gather samples for testing. it is unclear whether tar balls are related to the may 19 oil spill. and the damage continues. we have developing news on a case out of washington, d.c. that goes back to 2001. a federal judge granted a retrial in the case of a man convicted of killing d.c. intern sandra levi. convicted in 2010 his attorneys have been pushing for a new trial because they say a key witness gave false or misleading testimony. levy's disappearance became a huge story after the intern was linked with then u.s. congressman. up next you have heard the warnings to stay out of the sun before. now the cdc is saying it louder with this new statistic. skin cancer rates have doubled in the last 30 years. details behind the numbers and

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>> good morning. >> the big question is education about sun damage has increased over the past couple of decades why is melanoma rate increased? >> one is definitely increased scrutiny and therefore increased detection. we have more people are getting checked out and more localized cancers are being diagnosed because of that. that probably accounts for some proportion of the number. there is a very good report that implicates the ozone layer problems as well as potential climate change which is less of an environmental thing but rather behavioral. i don't think there is one unifying explanation but a couple different explanations. >> a lot of people say i don't live in south florida. i don't go to the beach. i don't have to be as concerned as if i did live in south florida or went to the beach. that's not necessarily true. >> not necessarily true.

i do want to point out that regions closer to the equator have a higher incidence of potential risk because there is higher uv there. that is linked closer to cancer than uv a radiation. we certainly what is interesting is that i think we successfully have gotten the message out that fair skin people are at higher risk. darker skin people are, too. although 80% to 90% of melanoma is caused in or arises in sun exposed areas there are some places on your body that aren't sun exposed that can develop melanoma. it is not recommended to get a yearly skin check but i think most of us as physicians and patients say it is not too much sweat off our back to do yearly skin exam. >> especially as you live in closer areas to the equator.

what is the difference between a sun spot and a real problem. >> excellent question. there is what we call the abcs of melanoma. and that is that a typical for ecal tends to not change. the borders stay the same and size and shape and color stays the same. with melanoma on the other hand you start to see changes. you see irregularity around the corner. >> does it have to be a bump? >> it is like a mole or a freckle. that is what it starts off looking like. if it is changing in any way shape, size color, have it checked out and have a biopsy. better to be safe than sorry. >> thank you for being with me. i want to show you this video. it's a white house turf war between a red tailed hawk and this mocking bird. the hawk is like i'm doing my business. and this little mocking bird is like what is going on here?

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this is news nation. shocking new details emerged about the alleged terror plot in boston. the fbi says the suspect who was shot and killed on tuesday planned to attack police officers that very same day. also officials say he originally planned to behead the woman behind rallies many see as antimuslim. a second suspect is being held without bail. we'll get the latest from pete williams who is following the story in boston. >> reporter: boston police and the fbi say they stopped a man at the center of the plot as he waw preparing to attack police officers here in massachusetts calling them an easy target after they say he discarded of the idea of attacking a woman in new york and beheading her. investigators say when boston police and the fbi shot usaamah rahim tuesday they feared he was about to board a bus