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to me, this place is dr. frankenstein and we are the monsters. >> one of the state's most infamous inmates tries to convince prison officials he's changed. >> it sounds like a threat to me. >> no. >> that's water under the bridge. >> corrections staff investigate a potential escape plot. >> do you understand why we would have concerns with an offender having an 11 foot rope? >> you look in my cell, there's nothing there for me to do. >> we've also given one of our cameras to the inmates to tell their own stories. >> hello, everybody! it's me, the stone. >> and one of them turns out to be a very familiar face. >> going to stoney land. >> oh, no! >> how in the world are you going to deal with the bunch of punks coming up and challenging you? >> sticks and stones may break
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my bones but words should never hurt me. on the western edge of southern indiana is the wabash valley town of carlisle where main street conjures images of a bygone era, and except for the daily passing of the csx freight line, this one-light town might be all but forgotten. just a couple miles down u.s. 41, however, is evidence that carlisle is anything but forgotten. >> it's 2 1/2 hours away from everywhere. it's just the middle of nowhere. what goes on out here?
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prison. that's what goes on out here. >> surrounded by little else but big skies, the wabash valley correctional facility houses more than 2,000 convicted felons, including some of the highest security prisoners in the state. it is a fortress among farms. >> we have a total of seven towers blanketing the entire facility, including one tower that's in the center of our south yard. we've got the two sets of fences all the way around the facility. the inner fence is a stun fence, it's a nonlethal stun fence. the outside fence another 14-foot fence covered with razor ribbon. shaker alarm on the motion detector. motion detector in between the fences. we think our perimeter is very, very secure for us. >> security is tight inside the perimeter as well. especially in the secured confinement unit which houses the prison's most violent and
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disruptive inmates. today internal affairs investigator frank littlejohn has been called to the unit to investigate a report that possible escape paraphernalia has been found inside a cell. >> last night an officer had looked inside of a cell and observed a sculpture object like a, we refer to them like a dummy-like object on a comment report. which is escape paraphernalia. so they conducted a shakedown of this guy's cell and during that cell search they also found an 11-foot rope. when you put the 11-foot rope with the sculpture of the face then that gives concerns that the guy might be planning a possible escape. >> this here is actually the head that was removed from the cell. and this here is the rope. and it looks like an intertwined sheet that was braided together. it is about 11 feet long that was also removed from the cell. if he was to get outside of a cell and have this covered up and a body-like object in the cell, the staff might walk by, especially if the lighting is bad in the cell and at first glass looking through the cell
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door and you see this, that it could possibly be somebody laying there when actually it's this. >> the inmate in whose cell the items were found is a nigerian lukuman aderibigbe. he's serving 38 years for the armed robbery and battery of two other nigerian immigrants and his record inside prison is troubling. >> he has a violent history. in the department of corrections. that's why he's in this unit. assaults on staff, possession of weapons. he poses a serious risk to the facility. >> sit right here. what was found in your cell last night? >> it was some sculpture i was making of my son. and i was skipping rope. i was using it as a jump rope. a skipping rope, you know, for my high blood pressure. >> what was the rope made from? >> i don't know. i guess from the clothes. you know what i'm saying? i use that as a skipping rope. >> did you make the rope? >> no, i didn't make the rope. >> how long ago was that?
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>> when they moved someone out of there. >> you had the rope for two months? >> no, i said like -- >> you had the rope two months. >> he says he got the rope off the range a couple months ago. which is kind of hard to believe. the head isn't as big of a concern. the rope is what is concerning. he said it was for exercises but i'm not buying that at this point. do you understand why we are concerns with an offender having an 11-foot rope? >> i don't know what the concern is but it has nothing to do with me. >> did you know you are not allowed to have ropes? >> look, man, where am i going? >> well, with an 11-foot rope, you can climb with it. >> i'm in a secure dorm. i'm in a secure dorm. >> i have been in here several years and i have had offenders climb with a rope in here, in this secure unit. for one he's got an assaultive history on staff.
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it could be used to hang somebody or choke somebody. it could be used to escape. to climb a fence. i mean there's multiple things that this could be done with that would not be a good thing for us. >> he is placed in a separate holding cell while a team of corrections officers assemble to search his cell again, even more closely than the last time. we've got ball peen hammers to tap on the blocks to make sure nobody is trying to get through their cell wall. >> start on this side and i'll start on this side. just two around the room. >> we are just making sure checking the bricks. making sure they're not trying to chip around the bricks, break them out. make sure we don't have soft spots. >> when we do shakedowns like this we look through all their books, all their paperwork, see if we can't find any snitch notes, kites, anything like that. definitely we get a lot of our information. >> sometimes they like to hide
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them in the bible. they will stick them in the middle usually right in here. >> officials find no other escape paraphernalia in the cell. >> right now he is pinning a class "b" conduct report for possession of escape paraphernalia for what was found in his cell last night. >> without knowing his intentions you don't know if it could be just an arts and crafts issue or in two weeks from now could we be looking for him on the streets with this laying in his bed? >> coming up -- >> if you make the wrong choice, it has consequences. >> one of the most infamous inmates in indiana tries to start a new life at wabash. and later -- the investigation takes a surprising turn. >> you can't never take anything that appears innocent at face value. about printing. but did you know we also support hospitals using electronic health records for more than 30 million patients? or that our software helps over 20 million smartphone users remotely configure e-mail every month? or how about processing nearly $5 billion in electronic toll payments a year? in fact, today's xerox is working in surprising ways to help companies simplify the way work gets done
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most of the inmates at indiana's wabash valley correctional facility measure their sentences not in years but in decades.
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it is a lot of time to think about the past. so prison officials allowed us to give some inmates personal cameras to record some of those thoughts in the privacy of their cells. >> don't worry about people think you're a coward. best to walk away and have another day, than to stand strong and end up wrong. words never hurt you. what people think never hurts you. losing your freedom, losing your life, losing your family, that's what hurts you. >> james stone has been incarcerated for the past 26 years and still has a long haul ahead of him. >> i got another 50 years to do. and i think it's more or less an overkill. i mean 26 years, it don't matter if you done the crime or didn't do the crime. guilty or not guilty. none of that matters anymore.
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26 years. that's enough time for anyone. i've done did more time than guys are doing for murder, unless they're on death row. and there's no murder involved in my case. attempted murder. i mean, come on, really. i don't let it get me down. i try not. sometimes i do lose my cool and i'll snap off at someone but then i'm cool. >> we first met stone three years earlier during our extended stay shoot at indiana state prison. >> it's a glamour job but somebody's got to do it. >> when stone first came to prison he was an admitted thug, who fought frequently. >> where you going, big buddy? >> but the james stone we met considered himself a changed man, thanks to indiana state prison's cat adoption program.
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>> he's my little buddy. i depend on im. he's more dependable than anything i got in here. i mean, he takes a lot of the anger and temper away. makes it easier to cope in here. >> stone has been at wabash for a year and a half ago now. >> i talk to guys that come in here from all the other prisons that recognize me say hey, you're the cat man, aren't you? i'm like, dude, really? best thing i can do is say i'm him, meow, see you later. >> the transfer occurred after a staff member reported stone had threatened him. stone denies the allegation but a much bigger concern was leaving his cat jinkster behind. >> they don't allow cats down here so i couldn't bring him with me. and that was a big -- a big heartbreak separation there, you know. because i raised the little -- the little sucker. >> just before his transfer stone gave jinkster to another
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inmate. >> it brought a tear to my eye. i did like an indian commercial, you know, the tear coming out. i didn't want to let go of my little buddy. >> but at wabash stone has found another animal to take under his wing. >> i got a little bunny buddy out back. i'll watch him sometimes through the window here or when i go to work i'll make sure i throw him a couple apples to keep him fed. he's been back here the whole time i've been in this cell a whole year and a half. i open the window. he'll be sitting right there by the fence all the time. he's like clockwork. i don't know what he likes about that little area, unless it's me feeding him all the time. apples, cookies, coffee cake. he's a more sophisticated rabbit. you know what i'm saying? won't be long i'll have him on some watermelon hooch. >> like stone, inmate christopher trotter has been behind bars since the mid 1980s.
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>> i came into prison to serve a four-year prison sentence for petty theft. i came in with four years and ended up with 142 years. that's what could happen in prison if you make the wrong choice. it has consequences. >> the wrong choice trotter refers to was being one of the instigators of a 1985 riot at another indiana prison. seven corrections officers were stabbed. two others and a counselor were held hostage for 15 hours. >> it was a pretty massive riot that they had at that time and chris trotter was one of the main players in that. and since then, trotter has done his share to maintain his image of that. >> trotter has maintained that he was defending another inmate from abusive staff. >> some of them were stabbed but some of them were beat up. some of them went to the court and overexaggerated their wounds. >> the judge in trotter's case saw nothing to laugh about. >> i was found guilty of one count of attempted murder, one battery, four counts of criminal defilement and one count of rioting.
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and i was sentenced to 142 years. and was like, wow. most violence is spontaneous. that's what that was. it was spontaneous. one incident led to something else led to something else led to something else but it is never the solution. >> trotter has now been in prison for 26 years 73 due to his role in the riot and other disciplinary problems, he has spent 16 of those years in the secured confinement unit. >> due to his behaviors in the past, trafficking, extortions, intimidations we consider him to be a risk to our safety. therefore he was placed on administrative segregation. >> trotter has spent many years in confinement reading and writing. he has found particular meaning in mary shelley's "frankenstein." >> as a child i always watched the movie "frankenstein" so i recently read the novel. i was like, hey, i started to
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look at the monster kind of differently. i was like, who is really the monster? to me this place is dr. frankenstein and we are the monsters. and i call this the belly of the beast. we're the outcast. we're the forgotten. >> all right. >> in my spare time i like to write, and i've been contemplating on writing a book. i started off like this. frankenstein, the moment you created me, you condemned me, rejected me, crucified and despised me. abandoned me emotionally, unleashed the very hell in me, often overlooked stepped upon crushed, no one stops to notice that my movements are poetic. my stride is determined. my love is unconditional. my spirit is free. although i'm a monster, there is a soul inside of me. >> i do not believe there is an employee in the indiana department of correction in any
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state facility that does not know the name christopher trotter. >> beverly gilmore is the confinement unit's case manager. one of her responsibilities is to evaluate trotter's ability to return peacefully to general population. >> i know the notoriety of offender trotter very notorious. i believe he has aged out of that immaturity. he has developed good communication skills, good social skills. it's yes, ma'am, no, ma'am to me. and it's not fake. i can always tell when it's fake. i believe, personally, that he will be ready for general population before long. however, there are so many more people above me that will also have the input, and have known him so much longer than i have. so i'll have to respect whatever
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their recommendations will be. >> i'd rather not see him come out. i don't think he's changed. he's going to hurt somebody. >> lieutenant gary mcmillan has been at wabash for the past 16 years. >> this is my opinion. he's a pretty violent individual. >> they may look at it like everybody's still a potential threat. but am i a threat? no. >> coming up -- >> really my biggest concern about being inside is just getting in trouble. >> fresh from wabash's youth unit an 18-year-old inmate spends his first day in the big house. >> i used to be a very violent person. i hope no one tries testing me. and we see no reason to stop. so cvs health is creating industry-leading programs and tools that help people stay on medicines as their doctors prescribed. it could help save tens of thousands of lives every year.
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there's no hard labor here. and makes it sort of hard to keeping yourself in shape. you see a lot of guys that's been here after two or three or more years and they get that couch potato look on them, you know, hang gut and all that there sagging everywhere. me?
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i like to try to keep myself in shape. >> at indiana's maximum security wabash valley correctional facility most inmates work out either on the outside recreation yard or inside on weight machines. but not james stone. >> i got 16 workouts i do in here. using the bag and the box. >> after 26 years in prison, stone has developed a workout routine he can do inside his cell. >> water bottles. all water bottles. getting it closed is the problem. one set of everything every day until i burn out. i don't do a certain amount. i do them till i can't do them no more. and i record how many i do of each thing each day. then the next day my goal is to do one more better than what i did the day before.
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you can't get it out there at rec. there's too many people out there in that little closed area and the weights out there ain't real weights. i like something lifting where you concentrate on the weight, work your body. not work out with training wheels. put it back. after you get to a number that's just unbelievable, then you start walking around wearing a cape because you're like superman which i ain't reached that level yet. i'm still in the bat cave. you know what i mean? >> stone, who was convicted of attempted murder, won't be eligible for parole for another 25 years. he could spend the rest of his life in prison but he says his workout is designed to prepare him, just in case he's released. >> rotate around like i'm working on a loading dock or something. call it a workers' workout. that way if i do get out, job
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ain't going to kill me. i'm all ready for it. plus when you get to be my age, you got to stay in shape. that way, when the guys half my age want to mess with the old man, it ain't my fault. >> there is always a new guy or two arriving on stone's unit every week. for some it's just a short walk from a special unit at wabash for minors who have been convicted as adults. the adult maximum security prison. miles folsom has been in the youth unit for the past two years. but today is his 18th birthday. and his first day in the big house. he is serving 36 years for armed robbery, criminal confinement and burglary. >> it's a little nerve-racking. you don't know anybody. it's a lot bigger of a size, you know. most of the people in here are my father's age, you know.
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i never thought in my wildest dreams i would ever come to prison. never thought about prison. really it sounds kind of stupid from my standpoint. because looking back on the things that i was doing, if i would have thought about it, there was no way that i couldn't have not ended up in prison. i have been in trouble since i was nine. you know, repeatedly. acts of violence, vandalism, things like theft, you know. so the police know me, you know, and they were sick and tired of me. so they took everything that they could and slapped it on me. >> folsom was 15 when he was tried as an adult for his latest safety convictions, which made headlines in his smalltown newspaper. >> this is my newspaper article. the heading says reign of terror comes to end. fourth circuit court judge mary harper sentenced folsom to 36
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years behind bars and denied his request to be placed in a therapeutic community program. you're a very dangerous young man, harper said. >> folsom's charges revolve around the brutal beating of an acquaintance he believed had stolen his ipod. >> we ended up getting into his truck before we started arguing because it was cold. and i started banging his head off the window repeatedly. i was real high on cocaine. it really is like a fog. and i got really angry and i got -- i did some, you know, some pretty good damage, banging his head off the window. the judge, she was pretty strict, giving me them 36 years. and i hope that it was just her trying to slap me in the face to tell me to wake up, because truthfully, i was lost. >> folsom completed his g.e.d. at wabash's youth unit. he plans to pursue a college degree from prison and hopes to earn time off his sentence by holding down a job. >> really my biggest concern about being on this side is just getting in trouble. i hope that no one tries testing me, you know. because i used to be a very violent person. i'm not that person no more.
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i'll never want to revert to that. >> with good behavior, folsom may only have to serve 18 of his 36-year sentence. making his 18th birthday an even more significant milestone. >> a can of pop. a special occasion. you know. sometimes it's hard to keep hope. sometimes it's easy to fall into negativity especially in the juvenile block when there are so many kids that just don't care. it took getting 36 years to wake me up to realize that's not what i want to do that it's not a game no more. coming up -- >> just hit a man while you're down. >> james stone is challenged by the new kid on the block. and an unexpected twist in the lukuman aderibigbe escape investigation. ♪
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i am dara brown. here's what's happening. jeb bush is headed to europe where he is expected to give a
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speech in berlin. he will go to poland and estonia. he is expected to announce he is running for president on june 15th. the pilot of the southwest plane reported a close call with a drone. the plane landed without incident. a texas man was sentenced to seven years in prison for trying to travel to serious to join isys. now it's back to lockup. due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. at indiana's wabash valley correctional facility the men considered to be the most dangerous and disruptive are housed in the secured confinement unit. most inmates have assaulted staff or other offenders and are now held inside windowless single-man cells 23 hours a day. they take their meals alone and even phone calls, which are allowed once a week, are made from the isolation of their cells. >> in this confinement unit we
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have to deliver all of their services. i try to make contact with every one of my offenders at least once a week. that's all 144 of them. >> case manager beverly gillmore is the primary link to the rest of the world for the inmates. >> i came from the south. i was so protected and so green when i came here. and when i started learning more about the needs of offender population i thought why can't i be an advocate for them? on a daily basis they will send letters to me or notes requesting information, maybe complaining, or some of them just telling me have a nice day miss gilmore. and that's nice. because it's better than getting cussed out. >> one of gilmore's inmates is lukuman aderibigbe.
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>> what's going on with you, man? >> i'll say, hey, lukuman, are you okay, mon? and he'll go, oh, miss gilmore, you okay, mon? i enjoy that kind of talk with him. when i can understand him. he gets to talking fast and i say, slow it down, buddy. >> but despite gilmore's best efforts, aderibigbe has been a challenge for corrections staff. >> his acting out has just been extreme. such as maybe he didn't get an apple in his lunch, or an officer or anybody will be glad to go get the apple and take it to him but he would react to that by banging and banging and throwing things to the point where the response team would have to go in and take him to the ground. he's a strong little dude, too. >> he'll throw stuff. he'll smear poop, feces. he's done a little bit of everything.
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>> when he's like that even miss gilmore here can't calm him down. i think maybe i'm a little bit of a mama substitute to him. and i can usually say, now would you talk to your mama that way? and it usually, you know, helps him. >> aderibigbe recently found himself in a different kind of trouble when an 11-foot rope and the sculpture of a head were discovered inside his cell, raising concerns about a possible escape attempt. aderibigbe says the items were only for exercise and recreation. after further review, internal affairs investigator frank littlejohn says the evidence appears to support aderibigbe's story. >> with his history of violence that's landed him not only in prison, but in a lockdown unit where he's separated from the population because of his assaultive history, you can't never take anything that appears innocent at face value. >> the rope was taken away but aderibigbe was given permission to continue sculpting. >> lukuman's african art has been very instrumental in controlling his anger.
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and it's so beautifully done. >> everything is made from newspaper, and water, and i mix them with the soap. so now you can see what it does. this is just the beginning. once i'm done making it, i have to let it set for like two days before i put the painting on it. this is coffee with soap, and a little bit of hot water. so i use that for the paint for all the sculpture i've been making so far. it feels good when i'm doing it. it stops me from stressing, from thinking of negative stuff, and getting out of trouble. >> it definitely gives him an outlet. and i'm very proud of him for that. >> once everything is done, it will come out look real beautiful, look great. miles folsom has found a constructive way to spend his time in prison. he was recently given a job in
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one of the prison's industrial shops, which among other things make electronics for businesses in indiana. >> they send a lot of things through here to be made. but i'm pretty sure this specific wire harness is for the light in a vending machine. i have been working for a week and a half now. 7:00 in the morning, come down here and work until 3:00 in the afternoon. i mean, it's not bad. >> folsom hopes after a few years of good behavior he can file an appeal to have his sentence reduced. >> so i'll be able to say, your honor, i've been working, i've earned my own money, i've stayed out of trouble for this many years. because i don't want to stay here. i don't think anybody wants to stay here. i got plans, i got goals and i'm looking to get out and go for them. >> but folsom's goals are dependent on his ability to stay out of trouble, which in prison isn't always easy.
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>> i stay reserved no matter what. i mean you never want to put yourself on the line, because you know when something hits the fan then you're left out to dry. you know, you're just hanging there. i mean these people they don't care nothing about you. >> there is one inmate whose advice folsom values. >> one of the few i talk to, i call him stone. he has been down a long time. if you look at his record that is not someone who wants to stay out of trouble you would want to hang around with. but i mean really the guys that have been in trouble before that have been down 20 or 30 years they came in at my age. they took the wrong path at that time and they don't want to see me take the wrong path so they're guiding me the right way. >> going to stoneyland. >> taking you to stoneyland. >> look at that little vein. what the hell? you got a vein popping out, dude. you know that? your brain. he's gone. you ready? >> i've been ready.
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>> don't depend on others. that's how i made it 26 years. i don't depend on nobody. a lot of these cats might seem cool but they ain't cool. >> there's a lot of jomos and homos too. >> you got a bunch of those in here. and you peepee men on here. you have any questions on something like that or someone wants to run his mouth or something like that there, wonder what it's about, don't jump out there like a fool, you end up with your ass on lockup. let us know and we'll take it to them ourselves. do it the hard way or we can do it the easy way. believe me, they'll go the easy way. >> yeah, i appreciate it, man. >> on one condition, quit beating my ass in handball. let a [ bleep ] win sometimes. >> ball. >> supposed to be the master teaching the grass hopper and i doesn't been the larva now. what the hell is up with that? >> it's easy to fall into trouble. it's like, people you know, they'll say something smart. if i was on the street i would be so messed up that i mean
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there would be no thinking about it. it would just blow. and someone would get hurt. you know like now you just can't do that. that's not normal. you got to control yourself. >> he's young. he's got a long ways to go. i was in the same boat. you know? i used to do the same stuff. but at least he's got a chance. at least he's got a chance to get back out there. that's what he's got the think of. screws up, he ends up like me. i done lost everything. >> even his handball game. >> just hit a man while he's done. oh, man. if i had an "s" right there. that's right. that means stone. >> it sucks. >> stone. james stone. stone sucks. >> hey, sir. >> coming up. >> some staff here have been recommended you be released and
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some haven't. >> i'd like to know -- >> christopher trotter makes his case for returning to general population. >> nobody said kill the police or anything like that. i'm not in here for killing the police. and i haven't killed the police. he just took it out of context. caring for someone with alzheimer's means i am a lot of things. i am his sunshine. i am his advocate. so i asked about adding once-daily namenda xr to his current treatment for moderate to severe alzheimer's. it works differently. when added to another alzheimer's treatment, it may improve overall function and cognition. and may slow the worsening of symptoms for a while. vo: namenda xr doesn't change how the disease progresses. it shouldn't be taken by anyone allergic to memantine, or who's had a bad reaction
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at indiana's wabash valley correctional facility, inmates that have committed violent acts or are otherwise deemed safety threats are housed in windowless singleman cells inside the secured confinement unit. they are only allowed one hour a day for recreation. >> sometimes we come out here and say blessed. it's sunny today. you know what i'm saying? >> when weather permits, inmates may spend that hour outdoors although they are still
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contained within a single-man metal enclosure. >> i ain't good at basketball. you know. but we play soccer. today, i'm happy to come out here and get to see the sun and smile, you know. do the time you get everything off your chest. once i go back to that room. it's like night and day. >> having spent the last nine years and 16 of the last 28 years in confinement, christopher trotter values every moment outside. >> okay. this is what i call the old man workout. this is how we do it. one -- i haven't lost touch with humanity. i refuse to lose touch with humanity. when you lose that, that's it. that's it. when you let this place strip you, that's it. >> one --
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>> trotter recently filed a request to be transferred from confinement back to general population where he would have considerably more freedom. >> five, six, seven -- >> because he was at the center of a 1985 riot one of the most violent incidents in the history of the indiana state prison system, the request must be approved by multiple levels of administration. including wabash's superintendent, dick brown. >> i'm coming down to talk to chris trotter. he asked to be released from departmentwide administrative segregation. so i'm coming down to speak to him about that review. he'll be meeting with the team manager jerry synder, casebook manager beverly gilmore and myself. >> hello.
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hi sir, how you doing. haven't seen you in a long time. >> i know, it's been a long time. >> yeah, yeah, it's been a long time. >> some staff have recommended you be released from departmentwide administrative segregation. some staff haven't. okay? so with that being said, it's now in my hands to make a recommendation to central office. >> though trotter has shown improvement one of the first things superintendent brown wants to address is a conduct report that he received several months earlier. >> chris trotter started saying over and over "f" the police, kill the police. that sounds like a threat to me. >> no, but that wasn't it at all. that wasn't it. we were working out together on the range and we had our chin
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after the workout and he took it out of context and nobody said kill the police or anything like that. i'm not in here for killing the police and i haven't killed the police. you know, and he just took it out of context and it was basically to discourage us from, you know, further showing a sign of unity. you know -- >> someone approaches me and states if i'm going to kill me -- if i'm the correctional officer -- >> he was way up in the pod. i'm way in cell 6. he was up in the pod. how can he determine who said what. >> you have a very distinctive voice. do you not? >> but i'm saying several of us, it's a whole range of people hollering the same thing. let me say this to you, in 1985 when i got involved in that prison riot, i don't regret it for the simple fact is this. i felt that i was doing the right thing in my hearts of hearts. i wasn't committing a crime i was preventing a crime. but am i remorseful? yes. for the simple fact is people got hurt. not just staff, not just prisoners, but families. so i'm remorseful in that sense. and what did i do about it?
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i haven't involved myself in anything since then. >> you know, that if you go out into general population, this new generation is going to want to challenge the infamous christopher trotter. how in the world are you going to deal with the bunch of punks coming up challenging you? >> first off, sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me. so i don't care what they say. you know. and as long as you don't put your hands on me, we all right. i haven't had no situation with nobody. i mean nobody, none. the only situation when i first came here i was here a month without my personal property. and i dealt with that in a good manner. >> you dealt in that with a loud manner. i remember. >> well, i got a tame tongue, not an untame tongue. seriously. >> you think highly of yourself, do you know that? >> that's the difference, though. that's the difference. >> i would really like to be able to see christopher trotter go back to general population, because of the length of time he has been in segregation. but should he go? i'm so thankful i'm not making that decision.
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>> bottom line here is where we're at. it is up to me now to make that recommendation. okay. like i said, some staff here in this unit have recommended you be released. some haven't. >> i'd like to know who haven't. >> no, you're not going to know who. who did and who didn't, okay? the important thing to know is that it's in my hands now. okay. so doesn't matter what the other staff recommended. it's up to me now. so the responsibility is at my level. all right, well appreciate your time. and that concludes the questions i had for you. >> thanks so much. >> thank you. appreciate it. unfortunately if i make the wrong decision here, if i do recommend that he's released and then something happens, then that burden is upon my shoulders. coming up -- james stone reaches out to an old friend. >> do you time with the cat for 15 years and you just miss having them around. a lso support hospitals using electronic health records for more than 30 million patients? or that our software helps over 20 million smartphone users
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this here's one of the best meals we have in the menu, the taco. we still ain't figured out what the meat is. we've narrowed the meat down to alpacas or guineas or could be a combination of both. an alpac-guinea. >> james stone's humorous perspective has helped him survive 26 years in some of indiana's toughest maximum security prisons. >> i stay in stoneyland. you know. i don't need no psychotherapist. i don't need medication. i [ bleep ] a lot. i'm not saying i'm a saint. i'm far from a saint. that's probably why i'm still alive today. i should have been dead several times long time ago, but evidently heaven don't want me and hell's afraid i'm going to take over. so i'm pretty well stuck here on this planet.
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>> but stone hasn't completely resigned himself to life at wabash valley. he's requested a transfer back to the prison where he used to be housed, indiana state. >> i know they didn't have no problem moving me out. i don't know why it should be a big problem moving me back up there now. >> stone's motivation for the transfer is to reunite with his cat jinkster. >> when i do feel like i'm about ready to go do something stupid, you look at those big betty davis eyes and you think, hey, this guy depends on me, i've got to take care of him. >> stone received jinkster as part of the cat adoption program at indiana state. he had to leave him behind when he was transferred to wabash. for the first several weeks, jinkster lived with another inmate. but then jinkster moved out to the country. he was adopted by stone's parents. >> jinkster is something else. he's not used to carpeting. and cloth furniture. everything was claws. i mean, he clawed up carpet, everything else. but, it was worth it because it was jim's. >> some people might not quite
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understand it. but my family we view our pets as family members. so you know, this was sort of like jim's kid. >> talk about your daddy. yeah. >> it's really, really hard for me to talk about jim. i love him so much. when he was a little boy, he loved to go for these walks. and we'd go for a long walk. he'd give out and i'd put him on my shoulders and bring him on in. i'm 69 years old and my worst fear is i'll never get to walk through the woods with him. jim would love it out here. he's such an outdoorsman. one of the reasons we got this place. it's everything that he would want. >> we all miss him. yeah. every day. there's not a day that goes by that i don't think of my
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brother. we just love to see him home. >> but for now, stone's family and his old friend jinkster communicate regularly by phone. >> i call home every once in a while since i couldn't bring him here with me and my family's got a speaker phone. >> to accept the call press zero. go ahead with your call. >> hello? >> hi, jim. >> everybody doing all right? when he is in a room i'll just holler for him. jinkster. jinkster. jinkster. meow. jinkster. i don't know what that means but i got it from an old tarzan movie and elephants stampeded. well, when i holler it to him, his little fat ass stampedes, too. jinkster. >> he's there, jim. >> then when i give the old cat call he starts purring and stuff. what's up, little buddy? >> talk to papa.
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>> [ purring ] >> yeah, good boy. >> dad all right? >> he got his tail going 90 miles per hour. >> you can hear him purring real loud into it. so he might have forgot who i am but he knows the call. well, tell everyone i said hello. >> okay, honey. love you. >> love you jimbo. >> you all be good. >> okay. >> bye-bye. >> miss your papa? yeah. >> i still miss my little buddy. i mean when you do your time with a cat for 15 years, you just -- you miss having them around. you know. but, yeah, i said i hope i get out of here so i can pick my little buddy back up. not a whole lot else i want to say except jinkster if you're out there and you're looking at the tv screen right now, it's me you little fella? you know what that means little fella.
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my little fur ball buddy. hopefully i'll get out there soon. you can show me what the free world's about.

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