tv The Last Word With Lawrence O Donnell MSNBC June 8, 2015 10:00pm-11:01pm PDT
lawn. that's probably why arctic lampres have been turning up on people's lawns. with a face like that, probably is not going to get it done. pure nightmare fuel. don't look >> rachel, so much screaming. it was pretty great. against a 15-year-old girl. we have witnesses to that event joining us tonight, including another girl who got police officer pushed in that video.
>> you're not looking an at a deadly force situation. you're looking at a bunch of teenagers at a pool party. >> senator joni ernst gathered contenders. >> not a sweater vest but a leather motorcycle jacket. >> my mom was always terrified of motorcycles. >> lindsey graham was there and made interesting comments. >> if caitlin jenner wants to be a republican, she's welcome in my party. >> i feel like he's violating all kinds of republican rules. >> then there's the guy from family guy. >> this past weekend was barbara bush's birthday. that's why jeb bush wasn't there. >> my boy. i think he's brilliant.
>> i know the human being and fish can co-exist peacefully. >> i assume you mean jeb. >> right. >> republican lindsey graham is the only presidential candidate who went to iowa this weekend to campaign for votes in california. actually, he was campaigning for just one vote in california. >> caitlin jenner wants to be safe and have a prosperous economy, vote for me. i'm into addition. i haven't walked in her shoes. i don't have all of the answers to the mysteries of life. i can only imagine the torment that bruce jenner went through. i hope he has -- i hope she has found peace. i'm a pro-life, traditional marriage kind of guy. but i'm running to be president of the united states. if caitlin jenner wants to be a republican, she is welcome in my
party. >> lindsey graham did not say which gender caitlin jenner should be banned from marrying. no candidate who wants to re-fight the iraq war more than lindsey graham, which is creating quite a challenge to other republican candidates. >> some are out there like lindsey graham saying we should send 10,000 u.s. ground troops right now to iraq to help with this fight. do you favor that? >> i think we shouldn't rule anything out. i think that's a big mistake this president's made, saying how far we would go or how much we would invest. >> would you rule out a full-blown reinvasion of iraq and syria? >> i don't think we should ever send a message to our foes as to how far we would go. >> you wouldn't rule out -- >> i wouldn't rule out boots on the ground. >> would you rule out a full-blown invasion of iraq? >> if the national interests of this country are at risk here or in this country or abroad,
that's the standard for what we do for military engagement. >> iowa senator joni ernst hosted what she hopes to be her first annual roast and road. she was on her 2009 harley davidson soft tail deluxe. the only presidential hopeful who joined her was scott walker on a rented 2015 harley davidson road king. scott walker's home of wisconsin is the only home of harley davidson and where engines are manufactured. six other candidates joined ernst for the roast part of the program, which, of course was a pig roast. the state's democrats met in a 511-delegate convention where the straw poll showed 50% of those delegates voting for a democrat not named clinton. clinton got 49% of the votes. bernie sanders got 41%.
joe biden got 3%. o'malley got 3%. those were the only names that the delegates had on their ballots. but four delegates wrought in the name elizabeth warren. >> joining us now kasey hunt who is just back from iowa. and so marco rubio, the loser of the harley primary saying he's actually in his life never been on a motorcycle of any kind at any time? >> he said he's more of a watersport guy. he's about on a jet ski. his mother traumatized them with motorcycles. >> that explains why he didn't have a motorcycle until he was, like, 18. >> you're going to run for the republican presidential nomination, you really need to learn to ride a motorcycle. or at least claim that you -- >> yeah, what kind of american
-- >> we have politicians, remember when mitt romney claimed that he hunted frequently? marco rubio said all could i hear was the sound of 1,000 little beltway hearts breaking. they want him so badly to be ronald reagan. he's just coming up like c level movie. >> as the owner of multiple harley davidsons in my youth i think i call it, i was interested in your question to scott walker about his own personal harley back home. let's listen to that. >> 100th anniversary edition. a black stripe down the middle. i have a few scratches on it. so i have a few stickers that look like bullet holes. people always ask if they're real. if they were real i wouldn't be here. >> trying to paint himself as a
-- >> he wasn't faking it. he does own one. >> he does ride one. he started riding one as a county executive. he got the bug, and i think it helps, politically. >> i personally could stay on the harley thing all night. but i guess we should move on to the adult part of this. joy, the lindsey graham, moving out there in the zone where no other republican rushed into. they just thought, you know what? i'm going to leave that one california vote to him. >> i don't understand what lindsey graham positioning, who is his constituency? he does seem to be taking the most unelectable positions possibly. when caitlin jenner was bruce jenner, bruce jenner was a republican. so he may not have to do much to sell caitlin jenner, because i do believe he already has that vote or the party has it in theory. >> and eugene, he is leaning the
debate on what we do in iraq. he's going in with a minimum of 10,000 men. we'll see from there. and then you see scott walker trying to straddle this. >> everybody else is trying to straddle this. god bless lindsey graham. i don't agree with his prescription for iraq. he's very clear. if you think otherwise, don't vote for me. if you want to get out of iraq anytime soon, don't vote for me. i think that is an extraordinary thing. and, actually, an extraordinary addition to the debate because somebody is being honest about the option, other than what president obama is doing. which is kind of trying to muddle through. >> which of the republican campaigns is most reluctant to go into that zone which is how many troops do you want to send into iraq in. >> jeb bush, i think. obviously, we've heard him talk about whether iraq was a mistake. they had to answer that question for days before they figured out how to get it right.
the moment he starts to walk down that path. one thing about lindsey graham, he is an extraordinarily smart politician with a very good sense of the universe that he's living in. and he's not out there on a limb saying this. he truly believes it, but he knows that's where the party s i think it's a dangerous place for jeb bush as he first tries to navigate the primary and go on to an election with hillary clinton with a country that doesn't necessarily want to relitigate this war. >> you have these two candidates saying transgressive things, lindsey graham over here and rand paul over here. it's a fascinating time to be a republican, i imagine. >> when bernie sanders had his big announcement, i found myself comparing him to eugene mccarthy, in this straw poll, it did. he, quote, won, if you use the
old gene mccarthy versus lbj math. he won with 41% of the vote. if you add up the votes that didn't vote for hillary, it's one more than didn't vote for her. that wasn't a great showing for her. >> early on, the people paying the most attention are the more conservative republicans and more liberal democrats. and definitely there is a market among liberal democrats for an alternative to hillary clinton as hard as she's trying to win over the left. as we get to the nuts and bolts of the primary and deciding who can win a national election, you're going to see something different. but this early on, this is an opportunity for liberal democrats to make their voices heard. >> and if i had a nickel for every republican straw poll that rand paul -- i have quite a few nickels. >> those delegates know we're watching it. we're going to report it. and they know when they cast
that vote for bernie sanders, is it the clinton's campaign belief that those people are just trying to send a message? and they're all going to eventually fall in line with the clinton campaign? >> if you look at the polling, there's demand particularly among white democrats for an alternative to hillary clinton. this reminds me so much of the republican primary in 2012. both the media and the base of the republican party, really wanted somebody other than mitt romney. anybody other than mitt romney, and i think it's something similar here. at the end of the day, we all knew mitt romney was going to become the nominee. it was just a question of how long it would drag out. i think it's similar on the democrat side this time. >> these are all real people who have real thoughts about these issues. you don't have any her man cain types in there. >> the former senator from rhode island comes to mind, but when
you look at bernie sanders, he is filling a void that elizabeth warren is not going to fill no matter how many times people ask her. what makes it interesting is as you go into those first four important primaries. in iowa, he could have an unusually large showing. do we think he's going to be here in a primary? the problem casey touched on is when you start to get to south carolina, hillary clinton's constituency is also very strongly ethnic. and one of the thins about the bernie sanders moment is that he doesn't have a broad ethnic base beyond white, liberal democrats. >> so look at new hampshire. >> we're going to have to leave it there. thank you for asking the harley davidson questions. i would like to get the completely motorcycle resume of every candidate out there. >> we didn't talk about rick perry. >> he was the only other one on a motorcycle. >> he did a ride with veterans. the bike he rode belonged to a veteran who lost all four limbs in iraq.
>> he was on a different one. okay. we're going to take a break. coming up, that disturbing video of that police officer trying to arrest a teenage girl. there he is there. we're going to be joined by one of the girls who you see in that video who was also pushed by that police officer, and also other witnesses to what happened there. that's coming up. ♪ if you're looking for a car that drives you... ...and takes the wheel right from your very hands... ...this isn't that car. the first and only car with direct adaptive steering. ♪ the 328 horsepower q50 from infiniti. you've heard of a "win-win," right? what about a "win-win-win"? pick up the limited edition metallic droid turbo by motorola. water-repellent.
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>> that police officer was not tripped by anyone on the scene. he may, he may have been tripped by a root or something on the ground under him, or he may have just decide to do a flip for dramatic effect, as he began his rampage in that neighborhood. while other officers responded with calm, dealing with the situation, corporal eric casebolt, a ten-year veteran of the mckinney police force was completely out of control, screaming orders that had absolutely no legal authority and detaining people for no reason with no legal authority and beating to the ground a 15 year old girl because he didn't like the sound of her voice. >> on, guys, appreciate. >> there was this guy. >> get on the ground! i told you to stay, get your asses down on the ground. [ bleep ].
>> i didn't even do anything. >> sir, we just came from a birthday party, please, please, sir. >> right now you're staying. don't make me [ bleep ] 30 times with this damn gear in the sun because you want to screw around out here? if you run your mouth, you're going to go too. get out of here. i don't care. you're leaving now! you are leaving now! you're leaving! that way!
>> hey! >> she's laying there! she's laying there! >> how many times have i asked y'all to leave? >> you're going to jail if you don't knock it off. >> joining us now, jahda and maurice gray. first of all, you're on that video that we just saw. we'll show it again at a certain point. what, first of all, tell us what happened at the party that
created a situation where the police were called. >> during the party, we, we were kept, the worker that worked at the pool continued to come over to our group of people, the party, and asking us about the pool passes that we had and how many people were with one pool pass, because apparently there was a rule that you could only have two people per pool pass, but we had never been told about that before. because i had lived here for a few years and nobody abided by that rule before. so we didn't believe the worker when he said that. so after he came by the first time, we still were having fun in the pool, then he started talking to us about horseplaying, but then i told him, i said you know there's, you see these white kids horseplaying, and then he continued to just ignore that and then continued talking to us about horseplaying.
that's when we started getting upset because he was only coming to us about the pool passes and erg, then we asked him about how come he didn't ask anyone else at the pool about their pool passes because most of the other people there were caucasians. so that's when he went around and asked them about the pool passes. and that's kind of like how it all began. and then there also, then later on during the party, a group of black men were, young men, were at the gate of the pool. and they were trying to get let in, but we didn't know who they were, and we weren't with them at the party and everything, so we told no one to let them in. so it went to the side of the pool. and then started hopping the fence, and that's when some of the parents started complaining about it. after we told them we weren't with them they assumed that we were. so that's, like, the women that were, like the parents that were complaining, they called the cops, and then that's when the
cops began coming. >> and jordan gray, when did you leave the party? did you leave when that situation started to get out of hand? >> yes. once the situation started to get out of hand, i started to leave the party in a quiet manner. >> jordan, you were there with your mother, weren't you? >> yes, sir. i was there with my mother at the time at the scene. >> and maurice gray, your wife was there with, i think, more of your children, not just jordan, is that right? >> that is correct. she was with five of my kids. ranging from 6 to 16. >> and you actually went to the scene once you heard what was happening there. maurice, what did you find when you went to the scene? >> yes, basically, i actually noticed that my wife, she gave me a phone call while i was proceeding to home. and she informed me that she was already at a pool party, and everything was working out fine. they had a deejay, you know, food, and they finally looked
at, when i got the second phone call, she informed me that police was there breaking up the pool party, because of unruly kids. they was kind of chasing down kids and trying to, i guess get the situation in hand. >> and when you responded to the scene there after the fact, had you already seen video of what happened there? >> no, actually, i arrived at home first. and i noticed my niece informed me that she were struck by an officer, and i just told her to get in the car. and that's when we found out all the video at that time and the actually the other girl that actually was involved getting her face thrown to the ground. i met with her dad, and he was kind of a little bit distraught because this was the first that he heard about it and saw the video. >> we're going to take a break
all right, we're going to hold off on that. control room's not ready for that. i want to go back to the video we showed earlier which shows you in it, jahda. i think we've isolated a piece of it if the control room has that one ready to go. we'll take a look at that to see where you were positioned in reasons to this police officer while this was going on. no sound on this? that, okay, that, that's jahda there in the bikini, the white bottom and the gray top. okay, we can come back here. jahda, do you know the girl that the police officer grabbed and pulled to the ground and got on top of her? >> i know of her. i just met her then, but i've
heard about her. >> and so what was she saying? what could you hear her say while that was going on? >> well, while he was assaulting her, she was mostly telling people to call her mother, and she was saying, help me and all, like, mostly cries for help. >> and that, when the police officer went after her, that, he, the on thing we can see on the video that maybes him go after her is he doesn't like that she is speaking. was there any other thing that you saw that made him go after her? >> i honestly don't believe that it was, like, i don't think there was any other reason, because he was already upset from the beginning whenever someone would say something, because he yelled at me constantly for talking as well. she was walking away, she was leaving like he told her to do, but then he ran after her because she was running her mouth, but you could hear her say someone call my mom when he grabbed her and pulled her back into the scene.
>> and jahda, what did the police officer do to you? >> after he yanked her i was like, walking across the street, because i was standing at the scene when my, because my friend left her glasses in the pool area, and we were waiting to go get them. and the police officer told her to leave, told us to leave, and then she said that her glasses were there, and he said he didn't care. and he said we needed to go home. so i pointed in the direction of my house. and he said no, go the other way. so i still tried walking in the direction of my house so i could get home-like he told me to do. and then he used his baton or stick or something and hit me in the arm with it. it wasn't like a bash, but it was hard enough that i could have bruised from it. >> go ahead. go ahead, jahda. >> so i started walking away. and i was halfway across the street when i turned around and saw him pull her, because, like, i heard a lot of chose going on. and i turned around, and i saw
him pull her onto the concrete, and that's when i ran back over, and i tried reaching for her. i didn't touch her. i reached for her to help her. and then he hit me in the face. >> he hit you in the face, with his hand? or? >> yes, with his hand. he punched me. >> maurice gray, when you heard about this happening, and when you were collecting this information after the fact of what happened, what was your reaction? your personal reaction to this? >> the first thing when i arrived home, i actually found about it, i actually put her back in the car and went around and asked for the chief once i got back on the scene. and they told me there was no chief on the scene. the officer that was there that was a supervisor, so i took her mother that came later and they talked to the t what's kind of disturbing, we showed the supervisor the video,
and the supervisor said there was nothing wrong that was done in the video. >> jordan gray, did you see any moment where that police officer was threatened by anyone? >> no, sir. i doesn't see where he was threatened by anybody in any case. >> and, you know, when i'm watching the video, jordan, it doesn't make sense to me how he decides to go after some people and not go after others. there are some people who he orders to sit down, and others he doesn't. did it make any more sense when you were there? >> it didn't make any sense at all. it just seemed like the officer was very out of control when he was trying to handle the situation. >> jahda vacari, jordan gray and maurice gray, thank you all very much. >> you're welcome. thank you. we'll be back after a break. you will hear from joy reid.
president of the naacp defense fund. back with us gene robinson and joy reid. i want to get your legal perspective of what happened. but in this last commercial break, we had the most tell advisable discussion we've ever had during a commercial break. three parents looking at that video, and as you put it, cheryl lynn, doing a slow burn. >> it's infuriating. i come to this as a civil rights lawyer, a mama of three daughters, and i have not been able to collect myself since watching that video. every time i see that man sitting on that baby and hear her crying for her mother and his sense that he has accomplished something, his sense that he has controlled the scene by sitting on a 14 year old girl is nauseating, sickening, and you're watching somebody, a grown man out of control. like the worst out of control school resource officer but fully armed, running through a crowd, doing this bizarre thing
like he's a television detective. the drawing of the gun moment is really important, lawrence, because a, it's a testament to how out of control he is. but it shows you how close our children are to absolute pair ill because it can go so quickly. even his colleagues rushed over to grab him because they knew it was out of control which is maybe the good news of the story, but that's the reality. if that moment he's drawn that gun, what could have happened. his colleagues come and grab him. but after they grab him, they go running off after the two men, on what charge? what lawlessness? what law did we see any of those children break? i didn't see them disturbing the peace. i don't see them fighting in public. i heard that there was a fight between an adult and a child, but i don't see those people detained. i don't see anything that
constitutes an actual, you know, breaking of the law in some way even the young boys that are held on the ground. one, crowd control, what you wanted them to do was leave, not sit and detain them and hold them. you hear the boys say, sir, we just came here to a party. sir, we don't understand what's going on, but they must sit, and they must be silent, because he says so, and he has a gun. anyone who's concerned about big government, anyone who's concerned about lawlessness of the government should be concerned about that video. >> texas. this is the state where some of the people are panicked that perhaps the united states army which has been stationed in texas since it has been a state, they don't seem to be outraged about this. but to share lynn's point, it's nothing but luck that has us sitting here talking about a situation where no one was shot.
>> people were saying the sad truth is that we're all thankful that he, in the active level he was at didn't just fire his weapon. i spoke with the father and the attorney of the young man that he pointed the gun, one of the two that he pointed the gun at, that is what the father said, too, that he was thankful for the other officers for one thing that they did sort of pull him back. he was their supervisor. when they took off after the two men, it's because he ordered them to. the one man who's been charged, what he's charged with is evading and interfering with an officer. but no one else was arrested. will that be the just any cation for him pulling his weapon? these are boys in swimming trunks and flip-flops. as a parent who's taken my child to a lot of pool parties, the parents don't typically stay, and who's thrown a lot of parties for my kids. this is an excuse to be with other kids for four hours, and the parents leave.
there's usually one or two parents on site. there were at least two parenting there the whole time. the police officers don't seem to have sought out those parents. the mom who threw this party for her two daughters, one who's 18 and one who's 14 or 15 was there and said that the police officer did not try to talk to her. she was the adult in charge. but the police officers went charging at the children. >> and the fact that the kids are all in bathing suits makes this so much worse on every level. there's no mystery about what they have. it's a 15 year old girl in a bathing suit. she's got nothing. can you look at them. you know they have nothing. >> there's nothing there. and then there's this horrible, pornographic component of it when you see the way he's treating her. >> it is cinematic. part of it is almost comic the
way he does the sort of roll on the entry, like some sort of mad inspector clouseau, you know, expert. but when has there been a pool party where too many people didn't show up? you know, on a hot day? i don't know, i've never heard of that pool party. when do you charge into a situation like that? with the attitude that he came, which was, you know, i'm going to crack some heads. i'm going to establish some order around here. and, i guess, by myself. and shoot people if necessary. i don't know. it's just -- how is this guy a police officer? >> how was he trained? part of the -- >> training means nothing. >> he's a trainer. >> he's a trainer. >> the training means nothing. >> you're absolutely right. because your job is to diffuse the situation, especially with teenagers. he's churning up at everything the teenager are saying.
he's running after them because he doesn't like ha they're saying. this is out of control. >> the preceding event was apparently there were adults unhappy with the racial composition of the party who called the police and physically fought teenagers, adults. none of them were charged. >> we're going to take a break. thank you very much for joining this dispiriting conversation. i agree with you. when i saw this thing, i didn't want to talk about it. coming up, if you judge parents by their children, joe biden should be judged very favorably. that geico could save them money on car insurance, right? you see the thing is geico well, could help them save on boat insurance too. hey! okay...i'm ready to come in now. hello?
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with that leaf falling once again on the biden family, beau biden's brother hunter rose to celebrate his big brother's life, hunter's first and last memory of his brother is holding his hand in a hospital. >> first memory i have is of lying in a hospital bed next to my brother. i was almost 3 years old. i remember my brother, who was one year and one day older than me holding my hand, staring into my eyes, saying "i love you". "i love you, i love you, i love you". over and over again.
and in the 42 years since, he never stopped holding my hand. he never stopped telling me just how much he loves me. but mine wasn't the only hand beau held. beau's was the hand everyone reached for in their time of need. beau's was the hand that was reaching for yours before you even had to ask. that is my brother's stories. that is his story. there are so many people in this church today across the country who have a legitimate right to
say beau biden was my best friend. he was the best friend any of us ever had. someone once said don't wait to make your son a great man. make him a great boy. from the time we left the hospital 42 years ago, my dad spent every moment that he possibly could with us. no event was too small. no event was too great. we traveled with him up and down the state, across the country, around the world. we went to thousands of speeches. chicken dinners, debates. we rode the train with him for thousands of miles. we went everywhere with him.
we just assumed it was normal to want to be with your dad more than anyone else in the world. he held so many hands. survivors of abuse, parents of his fallen brothers and sisters in uniform. victims of violent crime in his beloved city of wilmington. that's my brother's story. there are thousands of people telling those stories right now. telling the same story. about when beau biden held their hand. my only claim on my brother is that he held my hand first. and, as it began, so did it end. his family surrounding him, everyone holding onto him.
hilary leads left. let's play "hardball." good evening, i'm chris matthews in washington, the big news this monday is that hillary clinton, the democratic front runner will offer herself this week as the candidate of the democratic left. no center course for her as there was for bill clinton in the 19 90s, no third way, already she steered left on immigration and gay marriage and promises to be equally tough as other ideal logical matters.