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>> simon, you're a great reporter and i'm glad to see you safe and sound. great to you have here. >> thank you for having me on. >> that is "all in" for this evening. >> thanks chris. thanks you to at home for joining us for the next hour. a few years ago an activists named angelo carosone he launched a campaign to get the macy's department store to dissociate it self from donald trump. he had a whole list of reasons. in the petition that he drew up he neatly sort of summed up those reasons as follows. he said "donald trump engages in especially unpleasant nasty and despicable behavior." i then gave a big long specific list about donald trump perpetuating the racially charged berther conspiracy and being publicly sexist and a hypocrite in terms of complaining about jobs being shipped overseas when his own branded merchandise is made overseas, big long list. so angelo wanted macies to dissociate themselves with mr.
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trump. nearly 700,000 people signed that petition to macy's at it's a activist campaign. his name is angelo carusone. now he says that at one point donald trump threatened to sue him for millions of dollars because of that campaign to get macy's to drop mr. trump. the lawsuit never happened and angelo carusewn carried on his work as being an anti-donald trump activist. when donald trum april announce the his presidential campaign yesterday, you might remember one of the things he did right off the top is make a very big deal about how many people were there at the trump tower in new york to see him make his presidential announcement. here's how that announcement started. >> wow! whoa! that is some group of people. thousands. so nice. thank you very much. that's really nice. thank you. it's great to be a trump tower. it's great to be in a wonderful city, new york.
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and it's an honor to have everybody here. this is beyond anybody's expectations. there's been no crowd like this. and i can tell you, some of the candidates they went in they didn't know the air conditioner didn't work. they sweated like dogs. they didn't know the room was too big because they didn't have anybody there. how are they going to be beat isis? i don't think it's going to happen. >> dog's technically don't sweat. they pant. tongue out of the mouth and everything. but still, donald trump says he can beat isis because his rooms not too big. unlike rick perry who was sweaty at his announcement, donald trump knew the air conditioning was going to be on. he knew the size of the room. he knew how to fill that am roochlt but him filling the room that, turns out to be the story. after watching the donald trump presidential announcement yesterday morning, the anti-donald trump activist angelo carusone, he posted a
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story, basically, on donald trump hired paid actors to attend presidential launch event. talking about the crowd of people who were there at the event which donald trump as you heard called thousands. he said there's been no crowd like. this mr. carusone said something just felt off about it to mechlt i couldn't quite place it. was it the staging? the crowd? my initial thought was i bet donald trump is paying some of the people to be there. he says i talked myself out of that thought initially because, i mean come on. this was supposed to be a presidential campaign event number way he would pay actors to participate. but something was off. i have to say, did it sort of seem like something was off. cnn reported a little bit of what seemed off when they noted in their story about the campaign launch yesterday that there was somebody out on the street, out on the sidewalk outside the trump tower before the campaign launch started basically carnival barking, trying to persuade passer's buy
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that they should come into the hotel and be there for the trump presidential announcement. so that was weird anyway. right? that doesn't happen in a regular presidential campaign launch. cnn had initially reported that something was off about the effort to fill that room. our own rachel maddow show producer said that he overheard people at the event in the vip section of the press section openly speculating about whether or not the people who were filling that room might be paid actors. and granted that seemed like idle speculation. people who were there were asking each other about it and talking about it at the event. and then there carusone started cross referencing pictures from the event that were posted on social media. he said i stumbled across a photo posted on instagram. he recognized the gentleman on right as a professional actor, the man who regularly posts photos on line from his acting
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gigdz gigs. the other person in the photo also appears to be a new york city actor. she does appear to be an actor, an experienced union actor. we contacted her to day. she did not want to talk to us. honestly, i have to say there is no intimation that any actors did anything wrong here. getting paid to do an acting job and showing up and acting it's not a crime. it's not even necessarily wrong. but we were trying to figure out if somebody really did hire paid actors to give the appearance of donald trump supporters when they were not actually donald trump supporters and there were not enough donald trump supporters to fill that filled room. angelo carusone in his investigation yesterday says he heard ultimately from sources who told him that a company called "extra mile new york city" connected trump's campaign/event organizers with the paid actors. extra mile is a plan on words here. it's a good company name.
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they'll got extra mile for you. they'll try really hard. but it also means specifically extras. what you hire extra mile for extras, people who you want to be just warm bodies in the background of a scene many sm where. especially when you need a lot of warm bodies wlchlt you want to hire people in bullk to show up at an appointed time an dress in an appointed way, this is the company you call. extra mile new york city would not speak to us about whether or not they as an agency hired extras, hired actors to pretend to be donald trump supporters. but angelo carusone made this incredibly inflamatory claim today. we spent all afternoon today chasing down every lead we could, everybody who we found pictures of at the scene who seems to have been an extra for hire, everybody who is known to be an actor who appeared to be a trump supporter at that event. we spent time badging that agency today trying to get them
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to tell us whether the trump cam pay, the trump event organizers might be one of their clients. we got nowhere with that. but then, bingo. 6:00 tonight, the story breaks and naturally it breaks in the hollywood reporter, who else is going to have better connections than the acting community, right? the story breaks in the hollywood reporter that in fact, "the donald trump campaign offered actors $50 to clear for him at presidential announcement." it's an amazing piece. his presidential announcement tuesday was made big we are hech from paid actors at auto a$50 a pop. there was a list of background actors seeking extras to beef up attendance at trump's event. they were reaching out to extras with gotham relations and communications, a consulting group that has worked with donald trump in the past.
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they're not commenting on this matter. but when you are a casting company who hires lots and lots of extras for events right, and movies and stuff, i mean what do you when someone hires you is a firm is you send out a notification to potential extras. you send out a noefctiontification to actors that there is work available. so there is a trail. somebody who got that e-mail that basically -- that offer of work from the extras casting company has now provided the e-mail to the hollywood reporter. so now we know how donald trump filled the room when he announced he was running for president. this is the e-mail. hi there. there is some misspelling there and bad gram yar. hi there. we're working with our associates out at gotham government relations. we're working with them with a big event happening tuesday, june 16th. this is an event in support of donald trump in an upcoming exciting announcement he'll be making. this event will be televised. we're looking to cast people for the event to carry signs and help cheer him in support of his
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announcement. we understand that this is not a traditional background job, meaning a traditional acting job for extras but we believe acting comes in all forms and this is inclusive of that school of thought. this event is happening live and will be from 8:45 a.m. to 11:30 a.m. the rate for this event is auto$50 cash. we would love to book you if you are still available. get back to us with confirmation. you know what? it is possible that this is a big conspiracy. that this is a hoax right? that all of the people at the donald trump event are legitimately donald trump supporters and he just happens to have a lot of actors among his base. right? maybe somebody cooked up that e-mail and shocked it to the hollywood reporter when really that room filled up on its own with a lot of actors and some other people. and, you know, maybe whoever cnn saw on the sidewalk trying to bolster the paid extras with
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free pedestrians who maybe wanted a little air conditioning for a half hour maybe that was a coincidence, too, when cnn reported that. but if this is what this looks like it's interesting. i mean donald trump's campaign is denying. this his campaign manager sold the hollywood reporter he draws record crowd at almost every event he is a featured speaker. the crowds are large, often record setting and enthusiastic. often withstanding ovations. the campaign manager does not fall from the candidate tree right? but despite those claims, an inability to fill the room is a problem he had in the past. a couple years ago new york magazine published the very embarrassing photos wlaf the room looked like when he gave a speech at cpac. now in 2015 rather than face an empty room again for his presidential announcement, this time if the hollywood reporter
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is right, mr. trump solved that problem the old fashioned way, open checkbook, swivel the wrist. and this is kind of amazing in its own terms. if you're an anti-donald trump activists, right, like angelo carusone and the first guy that figured this out and donald trump did have to pay actors to fill his presidential announcement. it has to be the apex of your donald trump experience, right? it is substantively important terms of the republican party and it means that he is running for prison and doesn't seem to be faking it like he has in years past. whether or not this is a celebrity pr campaign or an actual political campaign he is running. he's declared candidate now for the republican nomination for president. polsters are polling on him. he is likely to take a spot in the republican party, official televised debates which under the current rules will deprive another candidate in terms of that candidate having a spot on the stage.
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i mean so even if he is kind of faking it right, even if he is paying people to pretend they are his political supporters, he's going to be there in the debates. he's taking up almost all of the oxygen in the room in terms of at tension to the republican candidates. i mean, there's jeb bush making the presidential announcement on monday. this choreographed thing to highlight minorities in particular, right? jeb bush, not just using a big section of spanish language in his speech but the wholly vent then going out of their way to pick diverse introductory speakers, carefully picking really kind words and positive imagery about immigrants generally and about latinos, generally and about latino immigrants in particular. and that happens very carefully from the jeb bush campaign on money. basically trying to rebrand the republican party as friendly to latino immigrants much that's monday. but then it tuesday, there is donald trump with the actors and all the media attention in the world saying that mexican immigrants, well some of them are nice but most of them are rapists.
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>> when mexico sends its people they're not sending their best. they're not sending you. they're not sending you. they're sending people that have lots of problems and they're bringing those problems with us. they're bringing drugs. they're bringing crime. they're rapists and some, i assume, are good people. >> some are good people. but basically, anybody immigrating from mexico is a rapist. after donald trump said that in his announcement theoretically, jeb bush could have rebutted that assertion. he could have criticized donald trump for having said. that he could have said publicly that he was wrong about that and republicans shouldn't talk like that about immigrants and latinos and mexicans even. right? but jeb bush did not do anything of the kind. nor did the republican national committee when the spokesperson was asked about the comments. none of the other republican candidates criticized him for saying that in any way. and that's for a reason.
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that's because even though donald trump is kind of a fake political figure he is kind of just a celebrity running a fake political campaign as a big pr exercise. the republican party at the highest levels has really plighted their trough with donald trump. they have been playing along with this ruse for a long time. they have kind of created this monster. they've been really happy to ignore the fact that donald trump's public political persona is mostly just a celebrity paid for pr exercise. and instead, they tried to go along it with. they tried to capitalize on his celebrity. they try to create a sense that he is not just a celebrity figure but a political figure to be taken seriously n 2012 after donald trump decided after himming and hauing himself he would not run for president, mitt romney and his wife made a big public show of going to kiss donald trump's ring and get his endorsement and they signed him up to do ads for mitt romney for president. >> it's my honor, real honor,
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and privilege to endorse mitt romney. [ applause ] and by the way this is a great couple. you look at this couple. [ applause ] but mitt is tough. he's smart. he's sharp. he's not going to allow bad things to continue to happen to this country that we all love. so governor romney, go out and get them. you can do it. [ applause ] >> there are some things that you just can't imagine happening in your life. this one is of them. being in donald trump's hotel and having his endorsement is a delight. i'm so honored and pleased to have his endorsement. >> it was a delight. mitt romney in 2012 superior honored to have his endorsement.
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and these days this is how he talks about mitt romney. >> you know frankly, he just choked. he choked like a dog. and, frankly, we cannot allow that to happen again. i agree with him. i agree with him 100%. did he not -- i supported mitt romney. he didn't bring out the people. he choked in the end. >> mitt ran and failed. you can't have romney he choked. >> it's not like getting that man's endorsement is a real prize, especially if he's willing to turn on you like that after he endorsed you. it's an interesting phenomenon in mainstream republican politics. they all line up for donald trump during the 2012 primaries when newt gingrich was the front-runner to win the nomination that, meant that newt gingrich had to come to new york and kiss donald trump's ring. >> the new republican front-runner newt gingrich in new york city today. >> i've come to new york for two different reasons today. one is to make the case that if
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i do become the nominee, we're going to compete in all 50 states. >> the second reason to pay a visit to businessman donald trump. >> donald trump is a great showman. he is also a great businessman. >> the republican party at the highest levels has bultd donald trump up. built him up and built him up as if he is a real political figure who ought to be taken seriously. i mean all the candidates paying the visits to him in new york city in 2012 the endorseme in. t for mitt romney the republicans were going to have donald trump moderate a republican presidential debate. >> a month away from the iowa caucuses, the republican race is far from settled n trump's plan to moderate a republican debate is making some mainstream republicans uncomfortable. >> i think the republican national chairman ought to step in and say we strongly discourage every candidate from in a debate moderated by someone who is going to run for president. >> karl rove's shot got a rise out of trump.
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>> karl rove gave us george bush and george bush crashed and burned and because of that we have obama. >> even though this is the way he talks about republicans at the highest level, republicans keep going back, keep building him up and building him up. i mean he did the robo calls for mitt romney after that in 2014 trump said more republicans asked him to do robo calls for them too. he did a call for scott brown when scott brown was running for senate in 2014. did he robo calls for mitch mcconnell when running for election in kentucky. that was last year. at one point, donald trump said on twitter, he was proud to support mitch mcconnell because he wanted him to be the next speaker. he is in the senate. there is no speaker in the senate bhochlt senate. but who cares? he is a real estate developer and reality tv show celebrity. he's not really plags politician or someone running for political office. the way he talks about the country he wants to lead gives it away.
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>> the country is in serious, serious trouble. it's a mess. >> our country is a total mess. a total and complete mess. >> this country is a hell hole. we're going down fast. >> we're not a brilliant country anymore. we're a foolish country. we're a dumb country. sadly, the american dream is dead. >> people who talk like that aren't necessarily really running to try to lead the united states of america, right? this is something else. this is pr. it is paid celebrity pr. i've been asking on the air for days, is this politics? is this political or it is basically an effort to turn the political press into celebrity paparazzi? now we know. now we know. but he is technically in the race and they have to pay a real price for that in terms who have gets in the debates and what gets talked about and who else gets heard and what the image of the republican party s but the republican party is not the
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victim here. they created this mess. they created this monster. if you have to hire paid actors to impersonate people who support you, people don't actually natively politically support you. you are not a political animal that exists in nature. but the republican party created donald trump. they made him into a purported political figure. and now they have to live with those consequences. that must be a strange realization. not just for the republican party that built up donald trump all these years and who is now taking over the republican presidential primary process. it's got to be a really strange realization for somebody who has been standing on the sidelines of this process for years, basically telling people to stop legitimizing donald trump. i mean for an activist like angelo carusone today has to be a very very strange day. a vindicated day. he joins us in a moment. ing up with royal caribbean's wow sale. our biggest sale of the summer ends today. get a 50% reduced deposit. plus up to $200 onboard spending money. and up to 30% off your cruise.
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coming up next we have the guy that blew the whistle.
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it is whistle blowing? yes. blew the whistle on donald trump paying actors $50 cash to pretend to be his supporters at his presidential campaign launch. that's next. we got lots more ahead. song: rachel platten "fight song" ♪ two million, four hundred thirty-four thousand three hundred eleven people in this city. and only one me. ♪ i'll take those odds. ♪ be unstoppable. the all-new 2015 ford edge.
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but what if some of the people in that room were actors? paid by his campaign to show up and pretend they supported mr. trump. they have denied this allegation but it turned out tonight in the hollywood reporter including a copy of the e-mail reportedly sent to new york area actors offering them $50 cash for less than three hours work if they would show up and pretend to be supporters of donald trump for president. joining us now is angelo carusone. he is the first one to alleged that he hired actors. he is an executive vice president at media matters. mr. carusone thank you for being us with. >> thank you for having me. >> so you wrote this up at i'm following your logic. basically, why did you feel like something was off, that something didn't seem right and deserved more investigation? >> well one, i mean i know that donald trump is dislet unitable and he thinks money can solve any problems, including not
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having a political base. and then of course there was my own personal experience. i have campaigned in the past. i've done events. i did an event one time at macy's where from my perspective, there was a large number of suspicious new yorkers that were casually going by the event saying how they had to go inside to purchase donald trump ties. and from my perspective, i said wow, they must be actors or paid staff. but i'm aware of donald trump's acting. when i saw that one, he wasn't highlighting the supporters in the stagecraft. there was no photographers online the video didn't pan out at any point. that was telling. it was a little bit of something i found curious. then when i started to search around online whether you go to events, you post pictures of yourself at the events. because you care. you're happy to be there. i didn't see any tweets from people posting -- like selfies or pictures of themselves or pictures of donald trump walking by them. i couldn't find any of that stuff.
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and so it said it's time to dig. >> you say that you stumbled across one photo posted on instagram. did you find one image you felt like was key to unraveling this plot. >> yeah. so this guy, he uses social media to post pictures of himself at gigs which makes perfect sense. and recognized him as an actor. i started doing digging. i discovered that other person featured was an actress as well. that seemed coincidental. but again, maybe actors like donald trump. i still wasn't going out on twitter and saying, yes, i have this smoking gun. i have some sources. i started to ask around if i could get help to corroborate my suspicion and i did. my sensitiviticy didn't want anybody to get in trouble. i'm glad you said that at the opening of the show. the actors didn't do anything wrong. i very firmly believe. that i knew this wouldn't get throughout unless i did something. and so basically i wrote it up knowing that there are other outlets out there like "the hollywood reporter" and msnbc
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and others that would have some clout to get a response from the -- you know to get some material to prove it. i did have some sources able to confirm that there were paid actors there. i felt comfortable going forward with the post. >> we tried to follow your trail and some of our own in terms of trying to talk directly with the actors. the gold standard for us in understanding this story was for somebody to say, yes, i was paid $50 to be there. no i'm not an actual supporter of donald trump but i took this as an acting gig. we have nobody telling us. that the closest concrete information we have is this e-mail blast reportedly posted -- a reported e-mail blast posted to night about it "hollywood reporter" s what the "hollywood reporter" posted tonight consistent with what your sources told you about how this was put together? >> absolutely. and "the daily mail" also was able to identify some additional source that's they say confirmed that at least one actor was paid to participate in the event. the fact that there are ult
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minimum reports with multiple sources and i checked with mine to make sure they weren't the same as "the daily mail's" and they weren't. there is enough information out there. so, again, it just -- i feel comfortable with the claim at this point. >> angelo carusone media matters, thanks for helping us understand this tonight. we really appreciate you being here. >> thanks. >> thanks so much. actors really? i've been saying like is this pr? is this a celebrity thing? is this politics? paid actors? if this was a movie instead of my life this would be the narcotic would get x'd out for being too melodramatic and obvious. we'll be right back. it's so shiny. i know, mommy, but it's time to let the new kitchen get some sleep. if you want beautiful results, you know where to go - angie's list. now everyone can get highly rated service even without a membership. you can shop special offers or just tell us what you need and we'll help you find a local company to take care of it. angie's list is there for all your projects, big and small.
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three early states in a big way now. we're reporting that out right now for tomorrow's show. we're doing our best to get republican guests. i know here. that's our programming note for tomorrow. we'll be right back.
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in my left hand i have a feather. in my right hand a hammer. one of the reasons we got here today was because of a gentleman named galileo a long time ago who made a rather significant discovery about falling objects and gravity. and we thought that where would be a better place to confirm his findings than on the moon? and so we thought we would try it here for you. and the feather happens to be appropriately a falcon feather. for our falcon. and i'll drop the two of them here and hopefully they'll hit the ground at the same time. how about that? mr. galileo was correct in his foonldings. >> that video was taken on the moon in 1971. nasa astronaut david scott testing galileo's theory that
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gravity accelerates all objects at the same rate. the theory of gravity paved the way for sir isaac newton to develop an equation to determine how two objects interact graphtationally if you know the weight two of objects, say, the earth and that apple falling from the tree and you know the distance between those two objects then you should also know what the force of gravity is between those two things. apple meet head. one way nasa has been figuring out ways to measure gravity and its effects on earth is through a program that's called gravity recovery and climate experiment. which becomes grace when you shorten it up. grace is two satellites each about the size of a small car orbiting the earth 150 miles apart from each other. the circle around the earth and they're designed basically it knots little dips and bumps in earth's gravity. basically, dense things heavy things things with a lot of
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mass, exert more of a graphtational pull. so from space, using gravity, you can find dense and heavy things on earth. you know what is dense and heavy on earth? water. turns out if you want to find where the water is on earth, gravity can help. specifically, if you want to find out where water is below the earth's surface, satellites can use the force of gravity to figure that out from space. which is so cool. i mean if you don't know what you want to be yet when you kbroe up be a scientists. this stuff is so cool. so grace has been up there looking at the earth, looking at water on the earth using the earth's graphtational field to figure out where it is. and the grace scientists have just published two papers about something amazing they found and about what needs to be measured next. so you know that california is in a horrendous drought, right? when california is isn't in drought, when the state needs water or drinking water, water for crops, water for everything
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it usually in normal time california takes about 60% of that water from river and reservoirs above ground. but we're in a drought. and california rivers and reservoirs are dry now because of the drought. so the state needs to get the water from somewhere else. yes, they're trying to cut back dramatically in terms of consumption, but california is also using water from a different source. they are drilling for it. they're pulling more and more water out of wells. out of the groundwater. rather than the rivers and the reservoirs that have nothing left to give they're pulling the water out of the ground that hold fresh water deep below ground. 40% of california water come out of the ground comes from drilling it out of the ground. but now that they're in drought, that's where california is actually getting most of the water now. they're pumping it out of the groundwater. they're pumping the groundwater out of the ground and using it. the groundwater in the central valley in california is one of the biggest wells on earth.
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and grace, those two satellites they've been looking at it. grace for the last ten years has been monitoring the 37 largest wells in the world, all over the world including that big one in california. and they have found two things. the first one you are already guessing. the first one is that we're using up all the groundwater. all over the world, wells are really stressed. the worst one is apparently the arabian well which covers an area where 60 million people live in the middle east. can't imagine what might go wrong there if everyone's wells start to run dry and there's no more fresh water. there is also a big one in india and pakistan that is in very severe trouble. that, of course, is the most densely populated regions on earth. and, yes, in the united states our aquaphor that is worst off in term of being tapped is that one in the central valley where california's tapping it so hard right now while they're in drought. so that's one thing they have
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found. ground water is in trouble. here's the other thing that scientists found though which is slightly less mind boggling, i think, because it is way more solvable. it's about measuring. this neat trick they do with the satellites and using gravity to find big deposits of ground wear the. it's neat, right? it helps you locate and get basic information about fresh water that is underground. the underground fresh water that you know makes human civilization possible. it's neat. but apparently it can't give you super precise information about exactly how much water is still in those aquaphors. that is really important to figure out, particularly if we are in danger of running those thins dry. and, particularly if essentially when and where those things run dry human beings aren't going to be able to live there anymore. i mean we need to know right? if you have a ton of money in the bank you maybe don't need to check the balance if you want to withdraw $20. if you have next to no money, you need to know what your
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balance is before you go to the atm. so we need to know what is left in terms of our groundwater. apparently what we need to do is drill them to figure that out. drill the groundwater aquaphors, don't take the water out of them to but to count how many gallons are still down there. we need to plan now for how much is left. the grace scientists writing in water resources research say this, "the depth and thickness of many large aquaphors make it tough or costly to drill and understand where the moisture bottoms out. but it has to be done. the principle investigator of the study, the senior water scientists at nass why's jet propulsion lab, he makes it clear. we need to xblor the world's aquaphors as if they had the same value as oil reserves. we need to drill for water the same way that we drill for other resources. what if we did that? what if we drilled, baby drilled, not to extract the stuff from the earth but to figure out what was there so we would at least know ahead of
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time where humans are and are not going to be able to live from here on out and by when they're going to have to be gone. joining us now is jay family eddie, a senior wear the scientists with nass yashgs professor of earth system signs and the principal investigator on the two new studies. thank you for being here. appreciate your time. >> thank you very much for having me, rachel. you totally nailed that introduction. that was a great synopsis of the papers and really a lot of the work that we have been working really hard on really over the last couple decade. >> thank you for saying so. i just want to give you a full chance though if i got any of that wrongs can you correct me. it's okay. >>, no you pretty much nailed it and you actually threw in a little recruiting for future environmental scientists which i appreciate very much. >> here's the part that i don't understand. can you tell from the introduction i don't understand. which is why is it that you can
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see aquifers from space and can you tell when and where they're in danger. but you still say we actually need physically drill them down here on earth in order to figure out how much water they got left? can't you see that from space, too? >> you really can't. what we're really seeing is really the monthly changes in the water storage. and so we're able to see how rapidly these aquifers are gaining or losing water. most of them are losing water. that's what we found in the study. but it's very difficult to assess how much water is there from space. we just have no real way to do it. and i think that as you said, the only real feasible way to do that is by exploration as if they were oil reservoirs. >> it is the same kind of technology that they would use to test an oil reservoir's size and characteristics? >> absolutely. absolutely. and if water had the same value as oil, this exploration would have already been done. >> if that value were privatised
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by corporations that could gain governments to clear the way so that they could privatise the resource, right? that's the problem. >> well, it's you know that's a path that we probably don't want to go down with water. but we should in my opinion really be thinking about charging. you know it's undervalued. we don't give it the respect that it deserves. we haven't done the exploration. we waste a the love it. >> in terms of the two different things that you have identified obviously one that we ought to quantify what we got left because it's important and it's finite in terms of human existence. but then the other finding that there are a lot of places where the aquifers are taxed and human persistence is getting towards the limits. is that a problem that is fixable? are we beyond any sort of human intervention in terms of stopping making that problem worse? >> we can slow it down. i think that we are well past
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the point with humanity where we're relying on what is renewable with respect to water every year. we use more than we have available to us on a renewable basis. so the challenge now is to figure out at what rate we want to be using what remains in these aquifers. i think for the big aquifers we're not refilling them. and so now it becomes an issue of managing how much we use in the future and also understanding how much is there. like you said it's the bank account. it is quite foolish to draw checks and make with draws from a bank account without knowing how much is there. >> senior water scientists at nass yashgs thank youchlt thank you for helping us understand it. it's very clear. thank you. >> thank you very much. >> appreciate it. >> all right. there is a slew of giant news stories coming right at us including as promised a story
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supporters at that event. the number two guy in al qaeda central got killed this week. the manhunt for the escaped prisoners in new york is live which is incredible. bernie sanders is surging in new hampshire, oprah is courted as a vice presidential nominee running mate. it is an exciting news week and only wednesday. tomorrow will potentially make us forget that anything else happened this week at all. tomorrow's going to be nuts. because all in one day tomorrow first of all we will have supreme court rulings. we don't know which ones but at 10:00 a.m. we will find out. fate of lethal injection, obamacare, same-sex marriage nationwide. it is possible the court will put off the big ones until later and tomorrow won't be any of the big cases but it is already june 17th. it is getting ridiculous. that's one thing. tomorrow 10:00 a.m., potentially huge supreme court news. in the other branch of government that is usually boring but occasionally
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fantastically interesting huge news tomorrow from congress. this trade thing that president obama has been trying to get passed the thing republicans support but most democrats don't, looks like the trade bill may be back up tomorrow. you saw the headlines about the democrats turning on the president on the issue and the president's squaway with his own party. yesterday boehner fired three of the house republicans on his team, people in charge of counting votes for him. people that couldn't count the votes on the issue they themselves voted the opposite way they were supposed to be whipping. the trade bill is a big deal in terms of policy. it would affect 40% of the world's economy. but the politic s around it are like a hurricane without an eye. nobody knows what's going to happen. that might be tomorrow, too, which will be a huge deal in washington. and, and, and -- if the supreme court isn't big enough for you and congress and the huge bill
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aren't big enough for you we are also bracing ourselves tomorrow for relatively huge news from god. from the guy whose job description involves a direct line, though. tomorrow pope francis will reveal his encyclical on the climate. it looks like it will be progress i have. whether you like him or don't, catholic or not worried about climate change or not what the pope will do with the highest level instruction that the church ever gives to the 1.2 billion catholics around the world, this thing he's going to do tomorrow has potential to change politic s around climate in profound, global, long-standing and possibly unpredictable ways. we're not going to know what's in it until we see it, but we'll see it tomorrow along with everything else that is going to happen tomorrow. honestly tomorrow is gonna be too much. my recommendation, in terms of dealing with tomorrow is you
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should not even go to bed tonight. just stay up and wait for tomorrow's glorious dawn of news to shine on your face because you think this news week has been nuts, tomorrow's done. that does it for us tonight. see you tomorrow. time for "the last word with lawrence o'donnell." >> rachel are you trying to ruin my day off tomorrow? is that what that was about? you know i'm taking tomorrow off, right? i always coordinate with you on that. >> yeah. i wouldn't say i wasn't trying to guilt you about it but i was kind of trying to guilt you about it. all of that stuff is going to happen. >> i have serious family business to tend to. you just brought me the closest i have ever been to regretting taking a day off. not quite there but really close. >> here to help. thanks, lawrence. >> thanks, rachel. well, republican leaders have not figured out how to deal w