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we woke up today and the heart and soul of south carolina was broken. >> heavy emotions coming from the governor of south carolina just a few moments ago. those sentiments from governor nikki haley being felt by everyone here in this community hours after a gunman opens fire in a church killing nine people six women, three men. good thursday to you. i'm craig melvin to you'll live from charleston, south carolina. we are continuing our special coverage here on msnbc. just a few moments ago i spoke with a law enforcement source who gave me just a bit more information regarding the circumstances under which the 21-year-old was taken in to custody. we're told that he was taken into custody during a routine
traffic stop outside shelby, north carolina. he was driving and did not resist arrest. the suspect in the shooting, twun-year-old dylann roof. roof is now in custody. police arrested him this morning in that traffic stop in shelby north carolina. that's about four hours north of where we are here in charleston. just over an hour ago mayor joe riley thanking the public and the media for helping with the arrest of the 21-year-old. >> we are able to arrest this awful person in shelby north carolina because we got the word out. and a good sign wonderful sign that in america, you know we don't let bad people like this get away with these dastardly deeds. >> officials are calling this a hate crime. that coming last night from the chief of police here. it's been said several times by the law enforcement agencies as well, at this point we know that he walked into this church. again, the church just a block
behind me. walked into the church last night during bible study. he stayed for about an hour. attend of which we opened fire. one of the victims, the pastor of the church and state senator he clementa pinckney, father of two, pastor. president obama spoke about the tragedy just a few moments ago from the white house. >> the shooting involving multiple victims is a tragedy. there is something particularly heartbreaking about a death happening in a place in which we seek solace and we speak peace.
right now we want to go live to a reporter who has been covering this story from the scene as well. i believe we have dave standing by for us. dave wagner standing by a block and a half away from the church here on calhoun street. dave, can you tell us about how law enforcement was able to track down the suspect? >> well, craig, first of all, my voice is kind of going, but let me just explain to you that last night law enforcement was extremely specific about the age of the suspect. you know normally when we are told they're searching for someone, it's in more general terms. somebody in their 20s, somebody with long strinky hair whatever it happens to be. last night, very specific saying, the suspect is 21 years old, which to me says they knew who they were looking for from the beginning. obviously some of the people who survived this attack have talked to the police about this.
so i think very early on they knew that dylann roof was the person they were looking for. it was just a matter of tracking him down. you know he lives -- his home is actually on the west side of columbia, which is about two hours from shelby north carolina, where he ended up. but in this day and age it's very difficult if you're using a cellphone, if you're making any contact with anybody, it's pretty difficult to escape the police particularly when you've got local, state, and federal resources all thrown at the investigation like they do. >> dave, at this point is there any reason to believe that the suspect didn't act alone or do law enforcement officials believe that they've got their guy and their only guy? >> from my understanding they believe -- they've said that there was one gunman and they believe they have their guy.
i will tell you, craig, there is some frustration on the part of family members, that they are having to wait to find out if their loved ones were in that church shooting. i spoke with one who i happen to know personally and he said that his sister did not come home from church last night. and that is very unusual for her, but the police and the coroner's office cannot confirm to him whether or not his sister indeed was killed in that attack last night. >> man, all right. dave wagner nbc's dave wagner for us here in charleston. dave thank you so much. the fbi, again, has opened a hate crime investigation into the shooting. but before roof was arrested in north carolina attorney general loretta lynch spoke briefly about the events in charleston. >> acts like this one had no place in our country and no place in a civilized society.
>> lenny due paul is a retirement chief inspector and commander for the u.s. marshals service. lenny, thank you for being with me. can you walk us through what will happen next? at this point, my understanding is that he is in the process of being extradited here to charleston and should be here in the next three hours. can you confirm that information? do you know anything about that? >> actually, i do not. i cannot confirm nor deny any of that. the takedown went without incident. i thought law enforcement acting accordingly. they had pretty good video and a shot of this guy. the vehicle was in play. i'm sure they had that license plate out there and they certainly put a bolo out as soon as they identified mr. roof and you know shelby north carolina, police department did a great job with the car stopped and this thing went down without incident. >> in cases like this typically
do they bring him back to question him or will investigators from here go up to shelby and will they question him there? >> probably a little bit of both. i'm sure they have responded to the area of the arrest and there will be attorneys that will be assigned to him and right to counsel is in effect and what not. i'm sure his rights have been read to him and all that goes on and after an arrest, but, yeah i'm sure law enforcement wants to talk to him and can't wait for him to be extra sditdited back to where he is from. >> can you describe the number of agencies and the sort of effort that takes place when local and state and federal agencies go after a suspect this high profile? >> it's certainly a joint effort, from federal, state, and local law enforcement. i mean, the shooting of this magnitude, horrific crime and my heart goes out to the families and the victims, certainly you know such a tragedy.
but the atf had responded to figure out what caliber of a gun may have been used. the fbi was involved. the u.s. marshals service linked up with the state and local jurisdiction charleston south carolina police departments. and you know, they do what they do best. they put their feelers out. they got enough support and assets into the area with respect to technical operations and electronic surveillance. and once this guy was identified it was just a matter of time. >> lenny, but, lenny, how uncommon is it that law enforcement is able to take down the guy -- take down their suspect so quickly? i mean we're talking about 14 hours here. we've got inmates who escaped a prison in upstate new york they've been on the run for nearly two weeks. >> that was well thought out and well planned. i don't believe mr. roof had that elaborate of an escape plan. again, i don't know anything about him, but, you know as soon as this went down apparently he tried to get out of dodge and it didn't work out
too well for him. but the public sure comes into play. social media, everybody is talking about it. once he was identified his photo has been all over the place. so, you know i know the bolos and apbs that went on the lookout within the law enforcement community was saturated throughout the entire east coast and the country. it was only going to be a matter of time. stealing that vehicle, that was identified. so you know like i said it went down without incident which is good for law enforcement. >> lenny dupaul, retired chief inspector. lenny, do stick around for me if you can, please sir, thank you. half hour ago president obama talked about the deadly shooting from the white house briefing room. president obama displaying frustration with the rate of mass shootings in this country. he said today is a day for mourning but alluded to the fact that there would be a discussion ahead about gun violence in america.
>> i've had to make statements like this too many times. communities like this have had to endure tragedies like this too many times. we don't have all the facts but we do know that once again, innocent people were killed in part because someone who wanted to inflict harm had no trouble getting their hands on a gun. >> chuck todd said a short time ago that this was at least the 14th time the 14th time president obama has had to address the country in the wake of gun violence. nbc's kasie hunt is live for us from the white house with more. kasie, we heard certainly some political inferences being made in that speech there. >> remarkably personal statement from the president, craig talking about how he knew the pastor who was the victim here. and then a direct turn in to politics saying that the american people were going to
have to really grapple with the fact that this country faces all of these mass shootings. there have been 20 at least since the president took office and, as you said the president has made 14 of these types of statements. now, he also said that he knows that the politics of this are extraordinarily difficult. and you will remember the last time we had this conversation in depth in washington was after that tragedy in newtown, connecticut. and what started as a sweeping conversation about potential new gun controls and including potentially an assault weapons ban, ultimately ended up as an argument about whether or not people should have to have background checks before they buy a gun. ultimately even that was not able to get through congress and you remember that emotional moment at the state of the union with gabrielle giffords who was a victim of gun violence herself. craig, we don't know how this debate is going to unfold in washington. the focus is still very much on mourning these lives and taking
time to think about those families who are affected by this tragedy. but undoubtedly it's something that's going to continue to ripple through the political conversation as we move forward, craig. >> sadly, you know i think we probably do know how this is going to play out politically in washington. if folks can walk into a school and shoot it up and folks can walk into a church and shoot it up and politicians really don't do a great deal to act in the aftermath, i don't know why we would think otherwise. msnbc's crazy. we're asking you to weigh in on our bing pulse question today. here's the question. are our places of worship safe enough? are our places of worship safe enough? you can go to pulse.msnbc.com to cast your vote right now. we will bring you results a little bit later in the hour. when we come back the history of the church at the center of this tragedy. it is so much more than a church here in charleston. it is symbolic. why the people here call it
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welcome back to charleston south carolina, a city that is grieving along with the rest of the country at this hour. nine people nine people shot and killed inside a church a block behind me. several vigils are happening all over the state right now. one of those vigils here in charleston is ongoing. six women, three men shot and killed. among them a state senator named
clementa pinckney. pinckney was also the pastor of mother emanuel. it's called mother emanuel here in charleston. mother being a nod to the significance, the symbolism of that church in this community, a church that was built during slave times, burned to the ground once more than 170 years ago when word leaked of a slave insurrection being planned at the church. dug the 20th century the church became a meeting place, a planning ground for civil rights leaders. and over the past 10 15 years ago it has been the place where people who want to become president of the united states go to worship on sunday. this morning the state senator he clementa pinckney, father of two daughters, eulogized here in the state senate. one senator here in south carolina saying quote, the whole world will be watching
moup south carolina responds. south carolina congressman jim clyburn, by the way, pinckney at one point was an intern in clyburn's office became very emotional at the church. one of the vigils being held a few moments ago. >> if we stay silent they will win. they must not win. again, congressman jim clyburn there. that vigil continues right now. pinckney, by the way, was elected to the lower chamber here in south carolina when he was just 23 years old. at the time he was the youngest elected representative since reconstruction in the history of the state. he was elected to the senate about ten years ago. he was called to preach at the age of 13. he got his first church at 18. when i worked here some years ago i covered the state house and spent a fair amount of time covering clementa pinckney and
he said once that he enjoyed politics but he loved the lord. i'm joined now by former rnc chairman, msnbc contributor, michael steele. michael, our kasie hunt alluded to it just a few moments ago on our air that we are about to start what has become a very familiar conversation in this country when there is a shooting like this. what do we do? how do we respond? how do we keep guns out of the hands of folks who have problems? is there any reason to believe, michael, that this time the conversation is going to be any different than it has been in years past? >> first, let me give my heartfelt condolences to the pinckney family and all the families of south carolina and the people of south carolina. we all feel this pain on this one. and i think, to your question that remains to be seen to be giving an honest answer. i don't believe that our political leadership in this country is really ready to do the heavy lift and sometimes
difficult work of resolving our issues around gun control, gun safety, gun laws in this country. you referenced earlier and kasie put it exactly right. we've been through this pain andrea what and reflection of 90% of the people in this country say we must do something and yet our political leadership couldn't even resolve the conversation in the house of congress. so my hope is that we have this debate. this isn't about taking away anyone's access or rights to guns. this is about how do we protect citizens in places of worship? how do they protect themselves, you know in their schools, how do the citizens protect themselves in a free and open society when some want to do the kind of harm that we've seen here? >> you know again, we should note that the 21-year-old suspect, we're still learning more about him. but we have gotten it confirmed that he had a record.
we know that there was at least one drug charge. we know there was a trespassing charge, as well. he was just 21 years old. again, the picture that has been painted is that of another troubled young soul. and, mike i guess at some point you've got to wonder whether this is a political solution here. is there more that can be done politically or is this one of those issues that's beyond politics? >> well, i think it is somewhat beyond politics because it does deal with a bunch of cultural issues. it also deals with health issues related to the mental health of individuals. it relates to so many things. but at the rub of this at the end of it you're also looking at how this feeds into other things related to race. how this feeds into certain stereotypes. this young man says to someone that you know you've raped our women and we want our country back. where does a come from?
what is the genesis of that? at 21 years old, how are you spoon fed that and what is it about our culture, whether they're in south carolina or in ferguson missouri or baltimore city, that sort of feeds this stereotype of certain communities, that feeds this ugliness that's the underbelly of our culture and our society. and i think we as americans have to deal with that. we step -- ohwe tip toe around race in this country. because we have a statue of dr. king on the mall and we have all of these wonderful pronouncements about affirmative action and all this other stuff that we solved p problem. we have a black president, we're done. i heard that so many times upon the election of barack obama. and yet, here we are eight years later, 30 years later, 50 years later, dealing with some of the same systemic issues, craig. >> we have not overcome michael steele. >> we have not. we have not.
>> former rnc chairman michael steele. we appreciate your insight and perspective. thank you. >> thank you. when we come back much more on the history of how churches how churches have been targeted for hate crimes in the past but first though a number of presidential candidates have already started to weigh in on this tragedy. including hillary clinton who tweeted, quote, heartbreaking news from charleston, my thoughts and prayers are with you all. jeb bush also tweeting our thoughts and prayers are with the individuals and families affected by the tragic events in charleston. as we go to break now, a look at how residents have turned their faith, turn to their faith to cope with their tragedy. we'll be right back. ♪ put your hand over your heart. is it beating? good! then my nutrition heart health mix
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welcome back. i'm krig melvin in charleston south carolina. francis is at 30 rock feller in new york with a look at this substantial history of the church that's just a block behind me. mother emanuel as it's called to all of those who know and love it here in the low country. >> that's right. with the city of charleston known as the holy city with good reason. it is home to dozens of historic churches but topping them all, mother emanuel. the historic congregation is the oldest of its kind there in the south. it is a beloved sanctuary with a difficult past even before last night's shooting. emanuel ame isn't just a church it is a symbol of black freedom. well, it dates back to 1791. that is when a group of slaves and freed blacks began praying together. in 1822 the church actually argue niz
organized as an ame church. it was burned to the ground. 35 people were executed including one of the church founders. that didn't stop the congregation which kept meeting even after all black churches were outlawed in 1834 and worshippers met in secret for more than 30 years until the civil war ended and the church was formerly reorganized. now, in just the last century emanuel has become a leading voice in civil rights. booker t. washington spoke there in 1909 and so did the reverend martin luther king jr. at a southern christian leadership conference event in 1962. then later in 1969 his wife coretta scott king led a labor march for black workers starting right on emanuel's front step 'the church's pastor was arrested that day along with 900 others. so for nearly 200 years this church had been the site of struggle resistance and hate and we are see that hate witness again with this latest horrific shooting. craig? >> you know at one of the church leaders told me a short time ago, francis, this church
was burned to the ground almost 200 years ago they rebuilt it then. church leaders saying there's no reason to believe that this is not something that this church is going to bounce back from this time. thank you. we will come back to you in a few moments with more from charleston including a look at the victims. >> the gunman targeted worshippers while they were in church in a way that certainly shocks all of our conscience and sensibilities. >> the perpetrator of this hate crime must be found and swiftly brought to justice. >> these things are very hard to understand. very hard to fathom. and i think i speak for all of our colleagues when i say our heart goes out to the people of south carolina.
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welcome back to our breaking news coverage of the charleston church massacre. right now hundreds hundreds are attending a prayer service to remember the nine victims of the tragedy, charleston's mayor and other elected officials are there. just moments ago south carolina governor nikki haley addressed the crowd. >> what matters is there are nine families, nine families today know that all they did was have a family member go in prayer to church. and if this can happen in a church we've got more praying to do. >> we've got more praying to do indeed. governor haley there a few moments ago. police have arrested the fan they believe carried out the attack. 21-year-old dylann storm roof. he was taken in to custody this morning in shelby north carolina. that's a town that's just east of sharl lot. 3 1/2, 4 hours north of where i stand in charleston. they say that roof walked into
the church last night during bible study. stayed for about an hour. before he stood up and opened fire killing six women and three men including the pastor of that church clementa pinckney, tywanza sanders. a library manager a short time ago heard she's also been named among the dead cynthia hurd. benji is here with me today. you have been standing in the same block for the past 15 16 hours or so. what is your vantage point and what did you see? >> what's been impressive is watching how if community has come together here who has felt compelled to come out, who felt compelled to see it for themselves and what their reaction was. now, when i first showed up there were still some people who seemed toby standers to the attack itself, being sort of led away by police. after that the victims were essentially invisible.
they all were cordoned away. the community, the police did a great job of making sure no one had access to them, no one could provoke them or harass them. what was left were a lot of people who were not direct members of the church but active often in other church necessary various community organizations. and as you saw it build up there are just these hourly prayer circles until late in the night. beam really just very earnest devotions of faith as people try to come together and figure out what exactly happened. >> as someone who is from south carolina and lived here nearly all of my life i can tell you there are a lot of god-fearing people in charleston. quite possibly more churches per cap a in this city than any other city in the entire state. it is also been very interesting to me because benji, as you know this is a city that just a few weeks ago was dealing with the walter scott case and it was interesting to see officials get out in front of that so very quickly to prevent the kind of
unrest that we've seen ferguson and balter to, after er toimorebaltimore. the mood here in charleston, how would you describe it? >> it's interesting you bring up the comparison because it did seem very different. after this happened really within the first hour i heard several people bring up the walter scott shooting saying like, here we go again. we have another horrible tragedy. not to say these are equivalent instances, very different. but they've already endured so much so much strife lately. but one of the things that made a big difference is i heard nothing but universal praise for how local officials handled it from the first press conference. there was a lot of transparency. there was not a sense that they were stoking attention in the wrong place or exploitive reasons. people felt satisfied they were getting the answers. they were getting a good explanation why it wasn't available. it set the tone very early. >> mayor joe riley, long-time mayor here. joe riley has been mayor of this city, not just the longest serving mayor in america but
he's been the mayor here longer than i've been alive. oftentimes he does not face opposition but he is beloved here by and large out in front of you indicated a number of local officials. i know you need to get some rest. thank you for your time. i want to bring in clint van zandt, former fbi profiler and msnbc contributor. clint, let's start with the question that so many people have been asking on social media and so many people have been just asking me face to face here on the streets of charleston. what kind of person walks into a church sitting for an hour and then opens fire? >> you know these are the cases that we look at and we wring our hands, craig, and we say we just don't get it. as you know the president when he spoke about this today, chuck todd was next next to me and chuck noted this was the 14th time that the president has had to talk about mass murders in
america. and you could tell it's getting him tired as well as the rest of america tired. we've got someone who has been under the influence of drugs, probably under the influence of what he may read on the internet and yet of his 89 friends on facebook he has african-american friends. you have someone who goes in sits with people for an hour and my background is hostage negotiator, craig. i always will try to get the hostage taker and the hostages talking back and forth because they identify with each other and it makes it harder for the hostage taker to hurt someone. well in this particular case this guy sat there an hour with these men, women, and children. he saw the very best of humanity when they were worshiping reading, studying. and yet there was still some terrible dark side to him that had made up his mind he was going to kill. and realize, we're told he
reloaded that gun. if it was a semi automatic pistol he changed that magazine five different times. every time he could have stopped shooting but instead like the shooter at virginia tech you know, so many years ago kept shooting and shooting and it's one more terrible video game sometimes that these guys get in that they live out. that's yet to be understood. but as the psychologists sit down and try to understand this go i that will be the question. we don't understand what you did but why did you do it and why this particular time? what happened in the last 24 48 hours to finally set you off to commit this terrible act of murder and mayhem? >> here's the thing. there are reports that he actually sat next to the pastor during the prayer service before he stood up and opened fire. really quickly, we spent a fair
amount of time talking over the past few months about isis and the affect that social media has had on its recruitment. what do we know about the affect that social media has on people who commit crimes like this? >> well, i think we find out whenever someone's belief system is they go to social media, they go to internet sites that re-enforce that belief. we can find commentators on the far left and far right who make those type of statements. but an individual like this at his young age, it appears that he was able to be manipulated. he was able to buy in to this terrible horrible philosophy that he finally lived out and, again, he saw the faces of his victims for an hour. and this didn't move this young man to do anything but continue to load and shoot. we're seeing probably the worst of one side of humanity when we
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church. emanuel ame, mother a bit of a head nod of sorts to folks who know that church and love that church here in charleston. it is more than a church. very much a symbol. steve singleton, pastor steve singleton knows that more than most. i want to bring you in pastor. pastor singleton actually the pastor at mother emanuel before the late reverend clementa pinckney was the pastor. let's start there, with reverend pinckney. what kind of man was he? >> he was a public servant. i have known him since the '80s and we pastored congressgations about three miles from each other in the early '90s. he was a public servant from the time i knew him. >> got the call to church at 13 got the call to preach at 13 right? >> not only that he was involved with politics because i remember when he ran for the house of representatives in his
early 20s. there were a not of naysayers and people who didn't believe he would make it and he proved them wrong and he moved on from there to the senate. and i think his life as a reflection of how god's servant has to serve god's people. so truly a great legacy left behind and untimely tragedy. another one gone too soon. >> the church itself so much has been made of the church's role and significance here in charleston for folks who did not grow up coming down to charleston for vacations and touring the church spending time there. what's that church like and why is it so important for so many? >> well, it's the third oldest ame church in the world. it's the oldest ame church in this part of the region of the united states. it was the host congregation, of course of denmark vissi who tried to do the insurrection as
a slave here. that people of color could do something like that. so they built it with all of its majestic aesthetics and all of that and it was sending a statement to the world that they could do what others have done. that church was significant -- the congregation even before it was built was significant with the underground railroad. they -- >> and lately when i say lately over the past 10 15 years, it's also become quite the spot with folks who want to be president. >> oh, yeah. >> anyone any republican or democrat. >> right, right. >> who comes through south carolina and needs to do that sunday worship service, that's the church where they attend. how does this community bounce back from this? >> people of faith are driven to god when tragedy comes. and if they don't pull close to god, this kind of thing can be a
spirit breaker. but we understand that healing comes from god and god brings us through these things. that's the only way to do it. and these people are resilient. they're very faithful. they're termed. they have a lot of pride. all of that, with god's spirit and god's help they'll do just fine. >> there's the faith solution. political solution is there one? >> hmm, i don't know. >> or do you not want to say? there's a difference. >> i really don't have a specific answer for that. >> okay. >> i do know that there's a whole lot of talk about gun control. we already know that there are people who want to make this some kind of bait for discussion on race. but this young man obviously had personal issues and i would say his actions showed that he is very close to what i would call evil.
and because of that, i don't know that there's a whole lot we can do in terms of public policy that would help with that situation. >> past on the singor singleton, thank you. >> god bless you. when we come back, more on the history of mother emanuel and the church's significance. we'll talk more about that. the church's significance in this holy city. ♪ building aircraft, the likes of which the world has never seen. this is what we do. ♪ that's the value of performance. northrop grumman. [ male announcer ] take zzzquil and sleep like... the kids went to nana's house... for the whole weekend! [ snoring ] [ male announcer ] zzzquil, the non habit forming sleep aid that helps you sleep
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mother emanuel church and its congregation have risen before from flames from an earthquake, from other dark times to give hope to generations of people in charleston. with our prayers and love it will rise again now. >> president obama just last hour talking about the historic mother emanuel ame church where nine people six women and three men were killed last night at the end of their wednesday
evening worship service. president obama's reminding people of this church's rich history. it's just down the block here. the oldest african methodist e episcopal church in the south. it dates back to 1791. in 1822 the church was investigated for its role in a planned slave revolt. worshippers met in secret until the civil war ended. in the last century, emanuel hosted some of the greatest leaders in the civil rights movement includes the reverend dr. martin luther king jr. i'm joined now by the reverend mark kelly tyler who's working on a film about the history of this particular church and the ame church in general. talk to me a little about the
significance of this church here in the charleston community. >> yeah, thank you, thomas. mother emanuel is such an important place. in fact i'm also the pastor of mother bethel ame church which is the mother church of all of the ame churches. so reverend pinckney and i shared that relationship pastoring these historic con investigations. the blow to mother emanuel is not just to that congregation and community, but it is something felt by all ames where we exist. this feels like we've had a personal loss in our own congregations. >> why would -- mark i don't want you to speculate. but based on what you know about the history of that particular church, why would it be a target? >> well, mother emanuel is -- again, it's known for its
history and tradition. it is not clear whether or not a part of the motive had anything to do with that history, whether or not this young man knew anything about its history and its significance. you know but one could certainly understand why a person might think that they ought to try to go at that place. i just heard you say earlier in the segment it is the place that gave rise to the planned save insurrection of denmark vissi. it opened its doors for organizing, as well as other ame churches there in the city of charleston. ame churches have always been places where people can organize and meet and resist the things that seek to hold african-americans back. i don't know if he knew all of that significance or not. one could see easily why he might use that as a target. >> has the church to your
knowledge faced specific threats? >> mother emanuel? >> yes. >> i have no idea whether or not mother emanuel had any specific threats or not. i've not heard that. the ame church is a very close knit family. immediately last night i called some of the clergy leaders in charleston and immediately began talking. that is not something that i've heard come out. but, again in this day and time that we're living in i think that all of us who are pastors of churches take security very serious. i imagine reverend pinckney did as well. this person didn't break in. they allowed him in. he really just misused and took advantage of their trust. >> there are reports that he asked for the pastor specifically by name as well. reverend tyler, thank you for your time sir. we will have much much more
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police say he walked into the church last night at bible study time. that was about 8:00 p.m. he stayed for about an hour until he started to open fire around 9:00 p.m. as you can tell, the city is in mourning. minutes ago, hundreds attended a prayer service to remember the victims. here's what south carolina congressman jim clyburn told those mourners. >> this church our church is built upon a rock. and no messenger, no act will ever destroy the foundation of this church. >> nbc's dave wagner is joining me now with the very latest. let's talk about the suspect and the swift speed at which investigators were able to track this person down in a matter of 15 hours.
>> yeah, thomas, first of all, i apologize for my voice, i'm losing it just a little bit here. you're right. the speed with which they were able to track down this suspect is really remarkable. they specifically said the person they were looking for was 21 years old. that was a clear indication they knew who they were looking for. they have surveillance video. it was easier to track him down once they had that. along with the relief in this community is a sense of real grief. we are just now learning about some of the people who were killed inside that church the nine people killed in that church. i want to introduce you to the brother of one of those victims. this is malcolm graham. malcolm is a former state senator for north carolina. his sister cynthia hurd was a member of that congregation. i know this is a tragic day for
you and your family. >> our faith is strong. we trust in god. cynthia was in church. we grew up in emanuel ame church. she was an active member of the congregation. we're trying to rationalize something that is so irrational. we're just trying to stay strong and true to our faith. >> the president talked about the need for a conversation about guns in our society. do you agree with that statement from the president? do you believe this country needs to do more to talk about guns in our society and the impact they have? >> we've been here before whether it's a movie theater or a classroom or a church gun violence has again plagued our country. every time this happens, we have a national conversation for about two or three days and then we go onto something else. i think it's time that we really
have a conversation about guns in america and a conversation about mental health. and take away the labels of democrats or republican and talk about the issue on the table. this is an issue that i think we are have to confront no matter which side of the aisle we stand on. >> this has been an agonizing 15 or 16 hours for you finding out whether or not your sister was indeed a victim. you knew she attended church last night and never came home. how tough has this been over the past 15 or 16 hours for you? >> it's been tough not only on me, but my brothers. cynthia had four older brothers and an older sister. we all were agonizing not hearing from her for so many
hours. we found out an hour ago from the coroner's office that she indeed has passed away. we're still in a state of shock trying to seek and find understanding where there is none. >> condo lepsslences to you. we understand this is a tragic time for you. along with the relief that comes with the arrest of a suspect comes the real heart ache of losing a sister like you had. thomas, back to you. >> dave, thank you very much. certainly an emotional interview as we're hearing for the first time from families of those that lost loved ones. joining me now is pastor john brown of mt. zion ame church. your first reaction when you
heard what happened at the mother emanuel ame church. >> well, disbelief first. thought some of the things we were hearing, thought it was overexaggerated. came down here with hope and aspiration that whatever was saying and circulateing just was not true. >> pastor when we have heard from different leaders, nikki haley today, also the chief of the house, that this operation all played out to apprehend the suspect that they believe was responsible for this. it was major riley who said that we hold sacred where people come and practice their faith in safety and peace. has that been ruptured for charleston? >> yeah, yeah, it has been to a degree of a moment of a reflection, the things we take for granted has been slapped in the face, been questioned. who leaves their house going to a church looking to die?
>> it's a question that is on everybody's mind today. because last night was bible study. which is typical on a wednesday evening. >> sometimes combination of bible study and prayer service, singing and raising god and reading the word and then the study of the word. it's not uncommon in the churches in the area for other people to come in while you're having your session. some who will come for the first time. so it's kind of open door policy. >> we all know from going to church growing up whatever church, mosque you're affiliated with, when newcomers come in you want to be -- you might even hand them a bible. >> yeah. it's to be expected. and what we have to do in a situation like this we have to remain vigilant but at the same time we cannot change the hospitality that we show people
who walk through our doors. if that happens then whatever this guy intended to do means he won. it means he got to do what e had intended to do to bring a divide to stop us from loving and praying for each other. and that's not going to happen. >> and that's certainly not what reverend pinckney would want. >> no way. i didn't call him clem. i called him clementa. reverend pinckney was a little boy there. he helped us with the church school. he taught one of the small class. at age around 16 he aspierd to become a minister. when he became a senator, most of his legislation that he put forth was helping people
bringing aids finance, and policy be where needed in the poverty community of this county. and so his record is one of such he's always been doing something for somebody. >> he has left an indelible mark on this community. he leaves behind a wife and two church. thank you, sir. appreciate your time. >> well, authorities are very guarded at this point about the level of detail that they are giving to the media at this point about the suspect in the charleston shooting. one thing they do seem clear on though at this point is that he was alone in his actions. take a listen. >> do you believe he acted alone? >> i do yes. we don't have any reason to believe there was anybody else involved. >> all right. so for more on the process of how authorities were able to capture the suspect i'm joined now by senior vice president and security officer, he's also a
former special agent with the atf. also don ber really former special agent with the fbi. matthew, this was very swift as i said when we first learned about this breaking news last night at 9:00. then by 11:21 today that they had apprehended this suspect. how many state, local, and federal agencies were working to make this happen? >> i'm aware the fbi, atf, united states marshalls and a host of other organizations were working together seamlessly to pull this together. >> so many leads were generated a massive man hunt like this. especially after early this morning when we got those first surveillance images of the suspect. that was able to circulate especially with the fbi tip line. it was those tips that really led to this because it was a concerned citizen that called in the report of his vehicle.
>> let's face it, in a case like this, we had a very good photograph, we had a vehicle description, everyone was working seamlessly to pull this together. it's no surprise to me we have a suspect in custody 13 hours later. >> meanwhile, people have take an look at different images that have been coming out now. certainly one of his facebook page. he has different representations of flags from apar tied. what and how dynamic are white supreme supreme leaning groups. >> that doesn't mean these acts like this can't happen. we saw today that it only takes one person that has an affinity to these type of hate groups to inflict serious harm and death. so while the numbers may be lower, the fbi still looks at
hate groups they're still active ligating groups like the ku klux klan and other hate groups. for this reason these type of domestic terrorism cases will continue. >> again, this seems like a lone wolf activity of someone who might be mentally unhinged we also know many scrapes recently in the last year with the law. >> i think it may be a bit early to say he's a lone wolf. clearly they gave a statement that he acted alone and that appears to about the case. i would want to know does he affiliate with other groups either in person or via social networks. was there somebody in a position that might have been able to come forward and tip authorities to this plan. they communicate with each other. they're tweeting they're meeting, they're going to concerts, they're doing things interacting. if somebody was in his circle of friends that had information
that this likely is to happen the question is why didn't that person come forward. these questions will certainly be answered in the days and weeks to come as the investigators do their job. >> we'll wait to see if those people do boubl to the surface. >> i want to move on now and bring everybody up to speed on the pulse question of the day get you to weigh in and get your thoughts on places of worship, are they safe enough. we've been talking about that a lot today. how are we supposed to tell our kids that you can go to church and be safe. they're asking really tough questions. let us know your thoughts. francis will have those results coming up. when we come back here we're going to be with someone who knows south carolina very well. rick wade is a former campaign manager for south carolina for president obama who also ran for office there as well. before we go let's hear from governor nikki haley.
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but we are part of the life and community in which our congregation resides. >> look back on that as a reflection, a video of the reverend clementa pinckney speaking to the congregation in 2013. now police are calling the mass shooting that took place here in charleston south carolina a hate crime. south carolina is home to 19 19 known hate groups. we don't know yet in the suspect dylann roof was part of a hate group or voiced hate speech in the past. he has presented images on his facebook page that would make people wonder about that. we are learning more about the victims who perished in the church behind me. we're just learning that there's going to be a 3:00 p.m. coroner's news conference to identify some of those victims.
just to give you a timeline though, this shooting happened at 9:00 p.m. last night after the suspect allegedly walked into the church around 8:00 p.m. and then this morning, in the 6:00 7:00 hour time frame, we got our first images of dylann storm roof. by 11:42 there was a police chief press conference with the mayor of charleston giving us details. by 12:21, president obama and vice president biden stepped up to the mic to make remarks. when they released the information about the arrest and capture, the president and vice president were giving remarks saying they knew the pastor knew of his work and this was a sacred place in charleston and history of america. rick wade is a former campaign director. you knew the reverend. he leaves an indelible footprint
on charleston and certainly now for the history of america. >> yes he does. senator pinckney was i guess best depicted what serving leadership was all about. i knew him. i worked in the house of representatives in the institute here. but i knew him more as a man of god who really just wanted to serve. serve the people of his district and south carolina. he's going to be sorely missed. along with the families of all the other victims, i offer them my sincere thoughts and prayers. >> you're going to be preaching this sunday on father's day. this is going to be the hardest father's day for the pinckney family. he was only 41 years old, married, father of two. this is going to be a hard father's day for everybody in and around charleston. those that are familiar with those that have been lost. what do you want to talk to people about this sunday if they
feel they aren't safe being black in their own church? >> you know it is a very tough sunday that we anticipate on father's day. he had two beautiful kids. i think it's going to be a tough father's day and tough days and weeks and months to come for all of us in america. particularly those of us who consider ourselves people of faith. i've even been struggling with my message. this is one of those tough things where we're taught to love our enemy. we're taught to embrace a justice and fairness and what's fascinating and most disturbing about this which troubles by sole this young kid dylann who sat with them, he entered into their sanctuary, a most devine place of worship for some time and then he slayed them. it is the most heinous act of
betrayal that i have ever witnessed. i imagine it troubled people across america who are people of faith. as i think about my message on sunday it still has to be a message of hope, a message of love but yet recognizing that we also have to stand up as people of faith and speak more about tolerance and acceptance and understanding of each other and creating a beloved communicate that they talked about many years ago. >> yeah, as nikki haley said this is something that's going to bring the community of charleston if not other places together with better resolve. so what this suspect has done is only going to backfire in that reaction. there's going to be a prayer vigil held tomorrow night. the may announced that today. the mother emanuel hope fund has been set up. so the resolve here is very
strong in the immediate after mavt of what took place in the church behind me. thank you for your reflections of the reverend and we wish you nothing but the best over this father's day weekend. tough message that you have to craft for them this weekend. it was just a short time ago we got a statement from the family of walter scott. you'll know that name. he was shot by a white police officer during a traffic stop after he left that traffic stop on foot. the statement read we were shocked and saddened to learn of the horrific tragedy that happened last night in downtown charleston. our thoughts and prayers special deepest sympathies are with the families of the victims. we're going to be right back. more live coverage from here in charleston in a moment.
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i'm standing right in front of the police barricades. as you see behind me, the church, the emanuel ame church where the massacre happened last night. the alleged suspect in all of this is now apprehended. he's been in custody since late this morning. dylann storm roof. they apprehended him in shelby north carolina. he's accused of shooting and killing nine people in the emanuel emanuel episcopal church last night. he opened up fire on those that were there in attendance. we have new information about those that perished at his hands, victims in this shooting. we're at headquarters in new york with a look at who was lost. >> we're slowly learning more about these victims. we know the most right now about reverend clementa pinckney.
a pioneering pastor. reports say he was elected to the south carolina house of representatives at just 23 years old. he was the youngest african-american elected to south carolina state legislature. here's what they had to say about him this morning. >> i will miss that booming voice coming from one of the gentlest men i have ever known in my life. >> in 1999 pinckney told one newspaper he had aspirations to become a united states congressman. in that same year, he was named one of the 30 african-american leaders of the future. here's what reverend pinckney said about the church in 2013. >> could we not argue that america is about freedom, whether we live it out or not, freedom, the quality and the pursuit of happiness. and that's what church is all about. freedom to worship and freedom from sin, from to be full with
god intends us to be. >> and we just got word of a second confirmed victim. his name is tywanza sanders. he's described as quiet, well-known with a warm and helpful spirit. we don't know too much about the victims at this time. all we know is the gender breakdown here. we just got confirmation of the death of a third person. that is cynthia hurd the manager of st. andrews regional library. we also just learned of the death of sharonda coleman singleton. we know the school says it is praying for her son, chris, and their family. and also thomas as we listen to that. all right. thomas, then of course we will
certainly hear more as we have that 3:00 eastern time news conference from the charleston coroner. hoping to learn more as the community is coming to grips with so many, the nine of the people there in that church lost. thomas? >> we have rapidly been learning so many details about what happened at the church behind me and now again as you point out at 3:00 we're going to learn more of the identities of those lost during the bible study. they went out simply just to go to church and be amongst other friends and other people they knew and loved. they had no idea what was going to happen at the arrival of the alleged shooter dylann roof. we'll have the latest when we come back. more about how the search went down for the alleged shooter in all of this. how were they able to apprehend him so quickly. before we head to break, some of the other reactions to the shooting. republican senator rand paul
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we are continuing live coverage of the charleston massacre. we are live here innin charleston south carolina. you can see the emanuel ame church just right over my right shoulder. i want to get you up to speed on the latest developments. we are expecting a news conference from the charleston county coroner in less than 30 minutes. he is expected to release all nine names of those lost in the massacre last night. so far we do know the identities of three people killed in the church. the pastor of that church clementa pinckney tywanza
sanders and cynthia hurd. apprehended in police custody, dylann roof was arrested this morning during a traffic stop in shelby north carolina. president obama made these comments earlier today before suspending or partially suspending his trip to california. >> michelle and i know several members of emanuel ame church. we knew their pastor reverend clementa pinkny. there is something particularly heart breaking about a death happening in a place in which we seek solace and we seek peace. >> vice president joe biden also knew the reverend. he released a statement a short time ago on the shooting saying he talked about the last time about seeing clementa pinckney
he called him a good man. hundreds of people packed a church for a prayer service. that wrapped up just moments ago. one of the people who spoke was long time democratic congressman james clyburn. >> the people of ill will in our society make a much better use of time than the people of good will. i'm here today to beg you, when you leave these hallowed halls and go back to your respective communities wherever they may be, please break your silence. speak up. >> that was congressman jim clyburn just a short time ago. i want to bring in my colleague now, craig melvin who has been on the scene for hours now. you know this community so well. you worked here in local news. you knew the reverend and that he was such a young star at an early age. >> yeah, clementa pinkny she
was elected at 23 to the house of representatives here in south carolina. at that time, he was the youngest person ever elected to the general assembly in this state. before that at the age of 18 he got his first church. he was a young pastor. a soft spoken man. when i covered him he was in the lower chamber of the house in columbia. he would go in for interviews and he always looked you right in the eye, always spoke very softly. of late here he was starting to make a lot of news because he had become probably the most outspoken advocate of a bill that was introduced here a bill that would require police officers to wear body cameras, that had become his new cause. but his cause had always been civil rights. in addition to being a pastor here at undeniably the most historic church in the entire state, he spent a great deal of
time talking about the importance of equal rights. >> south of baltimore, this is the most historic church for the south and the history of it the legacy of this church. and nikki haley pointed out what the alleged suspect did in all this will not rupture the state. it's only going to em bolden everybody to unify a little bit more. we're waiting for the coroner's office to give that press briefing at 3:00. >> it is a hard time especially in light of what just happened here. the shooting captured on cell phone video. that was literally 4 miles from where we stand right now. but if you look at the way this community responded to that there was no civil unrest. there were some protests. there were no riots in the street. people remained calm and they sort of used that or figured out -- they're figuring out how to use that to grow. the fact that within you know, a week there was already
legislation introduced requiring body cameras. that's not something we've seen in other parts of this country where similar things have happened. that speaks to the people of charleston. most people who love in charleston have lived here for generations. this is one of those places -- people don't leave. they'll figure out how to bounce back from this. >> i want to ask you to stay with me. loni randolph is the president of the south carolina naacp. we had on the national chapter president earlier today and the naacp released a statement, there's no greater coward an a criminal who enters a house of god and slaughters innocent people engaged in the study of scripture. talk about what that means to the issue of racial divide. some people are saying if i can't be safe and black in my house of worship, where can i be safe. >> unfortunately, those comments
that we heard today are true about south carolina and they are true about america. dr. king very eloquently spoke that the most segregated hour of the week is 11:00 on sunday mornings. and while we often sit and talk and brag about how much progress has been made in this country, and it doesn't matter when you start. you can start in the 1600s or 1526 when african-americans were known to be in south carolina. you can start in recent years. and the issue of justice and equality for all people in the state of south carolina has not been something that people look forward to because it has always been a challenge, no matter how -- how nonconfrontational an issue of justice is in the country or in other places.
we found a way in south carolina to always make it difficult, be it education, be it the removal of the symbol that we have on our state house grounds that is very inhumane and very unhuman. we have to take a look at ourselves and say, are we doing what needs to be done to make south carolina better place for all people not some people with zip codes that are not compatible with the way of life that some of us think. but people who live regardless of what zip code they live in that they have the right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness as you said in your piece early on. >> lanny randolph of the south carolina naacp. thanks so much for your insight. craig melvin thank you so much for your insight. much more live from the streets of charleston, south carolina. first, i want to go back to world head quarters in new york.
>> thomas we do have updates. the nbc news group made this afternoon. andrew lack chairman of nbc news announced that lester holt will be named the permanent anchor of nbc nightly news. holt who has been a television news reporter for 34 years joined nbc in 2000 and became the full time anchor of weekend nightly news in 2007. he also anchors date line. brian williams who in february was suspended from nbc news will join msnbc as anchor of special reports and breaking news beginning in mid-august. he will also serve as a breaking news anchor when holt is not able. williams was an anchor at msnbc from 1996 to 2004. we'll be right back here at msnbc.
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charleston as we continue to cover the mother emanuel massacre. that is the church steeple you can see behind me. the police still have the street in front of the church blocked off right now. we have a contributor to nbc-blk. he also worked on clementa pinckney's first state senate campaign. our heart felt condolences to you for the loss of such a treasured friend and a person you believed in who at such a young age was able to achieve that position of being i elected. what motivated him? >> it was just an absolute love for his community. clem grew up in the poorest, poorest parts of south carolina in the low country. the reason i was down there to help in the cam pappaign, he was a couple years older than me the supreme court had redrawn the districts and he wanted to make
sure he could continue to represent all people in his community. he was a deeply sincerely dedicated man, not just to his spiritual walk in life but his political walk in life. it was an attack on political power, it was an attack on black people. that's something i don't think we can forget. >> we still wait to learn the details of the alleged shooter who is now in custody. this dylann roof what his motivation was. did he know the history? was he schooled and scholarly enough to know about the reverend and what this church represents for charleston south carolina being the most historic black church south of baltimore. what's interesting too, as you talked about the reverend the day, he had his work to do as a state senator. and then he finished that up and came over to the church for
bible study and to run the bible study that happened at the church behind me last night. so at the age of 41 do you feel like he has left his indelible mark on this city and on the nation? >> remains to be seen. the most immediate mark he's left is a hole in our hearts. a whole in his wife jennifer's heart, his children's hearts the way he would hug you and have something positive to say for his political allies and supporters. the nation will learn over the next couple of days what a tremendous asset he was in a state that's often rife with political, social and racial conflict. i don't think anyone's work is ever done when they're taken away by tragedy. the impact he's already made and the conversations that will hopefully spring from this this is a time to talk about politics to talk about white supremacy and violence and what
might be the motivations and gun issues. i think the conversations will add to the legacy he's already established. >> jason johnson, again i'm very sorry for the loss of your friend. thank you for joining me with your reflections on the reverend reverend. we will know coming up at 3:00 all nine identities of those lost in the church behind me as we are expecting a press conference from the coroner's office to talk about about those that were lost. we'll be back after this. song: rachel platten "fight song" ♪ two million, four hundred thirty-four thousand
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welcome back everybody. i'm thomas roberts live in charleston as we continue to cover the details and story of the massacre that happened behind me at the emanuel ame church. the alleged shooter is dylann roof. he was apprehended captured across state lines earlier today. we got official confirmation at 11:21 that he was found in his vehicle in shelby, north carolina.
meanwhile, the healing process has begun as we're about to learn who the nine victims are. the coroner is releaseing the identities at roughly the top of the hour. we do know three of the people one of them being the reverend clementa pinckney. joining me now is marlon kimpson. thanks for being here. i know this is a heartbreaking time. but you just came from one of thevy swrils. what was the mood there? >> well, it was uplifting mood because there was -- there were people from all walks of life all color, and all ages. and we were there really to pay tribute to the victims for living a life such as in the case of senator pinckney of commitment to christ and
bringing baptized believers to his church and to follow god's word. and so we left with motivation because that congregation decided to not let these individuals who died die in vein. we are going to galvanize. we've witness add number of tragedies, nothing like this. but we're going to galvanize and really engage in a substantive debate about gun control. >> i know you laid flowers on his chair in the chambers. that was very moving and emotional representation of what was lost. but how do you move that conversation forward? he was one of the main voices leading that charge. >> well, i can tell you this i was not in the senate today. but the south carolina lost a
giant. he was the moral compass of the senate. we turn to the senator in times of impasse to guide us through the way. now, i can rest assured that we must be committed to substantive reform. we must make sure our state laws are consistent with the federal gun laws which are a lot more restrictive exercising our state police powers. and so we want to have a legislative agenda after we go through the grief and the sorrow and the involved in this -- >> losing our signal there in charleston south carolina as we continue our coverage and wrap that up here. just to keep you up to date on what we're expecting here in the next five minutes. a news conference from the
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you're now on the cycle. breaking this hour what's next for charleston south carolina after a gunman killed nine worshippers inside a historic black church. police are calling it a hate crime. >> it will be pursued as vigorously and complete cooperation as the apprehension of this individual. elements came out that were reported to us led us to conclude that that was a possibility, so we opened it as a hate crimes investigation. we will be exploring all the motives that might have been in
play there. >> we woke up today and the heart and soul of south carolina was broken. parents are having to explain to their kids how they can go to church and feel safe. and that's not something we ever thought we'd deal with. >> there's a lot to do in this case. we have a lot more investigation to do to find out why this happened. he was stopped because a citizen alerted law enforcement to a suspicious activity. they knew once they arrived there it was the individual we were looking for. >> at some point we as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this type of mass violence doesn't happen in other countries, it doesn't happen in other places with this kind of frequency. and it is in our power to do something about it. >> in this great country, we hold sacred the places where people come and practice their faiths. so the arrest of this