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ecially mixed for people with hearts. planters. nutrition starts with nut. hi everybody. i'm thomas roberts live from charleston south carolina. people are trying to heal after the horrific massacre that happened behind me. 21-year-old dylann roof will appear for a bond hearing via closed circuit tv charge with nine counts of murder. he confessed to the killings and told ms. he almost didn't go through with it because everyone was so nice to him at the church behind me. now, this is roof's signature on a court document from shelby north carolina. take a good look at that. now, if it wasn't for debbie dills this man would be probably on the run as we speak. although she's been held a hero she's really shying away from that saying it isn't her.
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>> it wasn't me. it was god. he used me as a vesvessel. if anybody is a hero it is him. it was through him that everybody happened. >> i asked long time mayor joe riley about dills this morning. what did he think about debbie dis. here's his response. >> well, it's a wonderful american story. when we got that go i in custody, an automobile gasp of relief was heard in our community and in people's hearts. >> nbc's adam riess is joining me now. let's talk about the arraignment and what's going to happen. >> it's ironic and amazing it must be a really small jail because he's actual he in the cell next to the officer accused of killing walter scott. now, the bond hearing will be in about an hour from now. very short hearing. we expect they will probably not even be considered because he's
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a flight risk and he's also a threat to these. the governor calling for the death penalty. he's charged with nine counts of murder, plus one count of criminal possession of a weapon. we expect it to be very brief and video length. >> that's coming up coming roughly in about an hour's time. as you talk about we will have that on closed circuit television. it's really interesting now, adam, that we see the signature of this young man. we're learning more about his story and his friends. >> he wasn't afraid to quickly confessed when they apprehended him in shelby. he told officers there at the scene that he almost didn't go through with it but people here at the church behind us were so nice and kind to him, that never the less he said he had to go through with his mission. >> boggles the mind when we hear about that detail knowing he arrived around 8:00 p.m. and then opened fire starting at 9:00. we will talk to him because coming up as we point out the arraignment is going to be on closed sir cut television. we will carry that live here on
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msnbc. nbc's adam riess, we'll let you get back to work. tonight several vigils are planned to remember the victims. the first is at 6:00 p.m. meanwhile this tragedy renewed the debate over gun control in america. president obama pointedly brought it up in his comments yesterday. i want to remind you what he had to say. >> i've had to make statements like this too many times. communities like this have had to endure tragedies like this too many times. we don't have all the facts but we do know that once again, innocent people were killed in part because someone who wanted to inflict arm had no trouble getting their hands on a gun. >> joining me right now is former state representative here in south carolina ba cary sellers. we hear the president talking about the matter of gun control in this country, we've got to have a bigger conversation collectively. you were showing me this article on politico that was pretty shocking to you. recount what you just read.
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>> well, it was a member i believe his name was mr. cotton of the nra board, who blamed my good friend senator pinckney for not only his own death but the death of eight others. before i deal with that type of ignorance. and even before we start having these discussions about race and gun control, this community still has to grieve. we're only 36 hours out. as you know we're standing in front of the church still behind that church are the cars still parked there from the victims. >> for bible study. >> so i mean our heart is still aching. before i'm able to talk critically and substantively about issues that deranged people such as this man who reeked this havoc don't get weapons i want to make sure these families are lifted up. >> how hard is that to run those parallel parallel track because people want to get political in a very sad time. right now as you point out, it is still an active crime scene. >> many of us in this community
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will still be here when the cameras leave. we're going to still be here when when everyone stops talk about what happened at the ame charleston church massacre. it is difficult. these discussions do have to happen. they are very distinct discussions. we have to have a conversation about race and a conversation about guns. right now i want to have a conversation to make sure that progress we made in this state over the past 30 40 50, 60 years which is so fragile doesn't fall apart. >> nikki haley appeared on the klt "today" show about whether or not this should be deemed a hate crime. >> any time there's a traumatic situation people want something to blame. they always want something to go after. there is one person to blame here, a person filled with hate a person that does not define south carolina, and we are going to focus on that one person. >> she's talking about the fact that he does not define south carolina, that this hate can be
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overcome. maybe not legislatively right now but do you think down the line that once the cameras do go away and everything does settle down here, that that mission of the reverend who wanted to make sure one of this greatest things was to make sure the police had body cameras. do you think that conversation should be taken up down the line? >> i appreciate everything that my good friend nikki haley actually said today. she's actually been very on point with tissues that she's talked about. she feels much like we do because we've actually served with pinckney. we know him. >> yes. >> she made some great comments today. i won't let her off the hook in regards to us not being able to do anything legislatively. one of the first things they can do is take the confederate flag down, a symbol of so much despair. there are things that they can do legislatively to help us get beyond this point that we're at today. >>nd talking about the confederate flag that is on the front page. talk about the fact that that is
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still flying in the capitol here. we know that there were learnings and aspirations of the alleged suspect to have these affiliations in that regard of supremacy, talking to his friends about that. how is that not a hard core reminder all the time of racial division and racial strife if that's allowed to stay flying? >> well, i served in the general assembly for eight years. i got elected, i wasford nate enough to have people believe in me when i was 21 22 years old. every time i got tired i would go outside and take a deep breath and you realize you're taking a deep breath under the auspices of the confederate flag. we've been trying. i don't want people to think this is not an effort that has not been made before. but unfortunately i think it took nine lives for us to even begin that conversation. so we are having a conversation about gun control. we're having a conversation about race. we're having a conversation about the confederate flag. we're having a conversation about all of these things that
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senator pinckney was trying to do. those conversations will come in due time. i want the world to reach out its arms and hug south carolina hug this community. i want people to be prayerful and i want people to uplift these victims. with all due respect to you and every person who wants to talk about the mental state of the shooter, i could really careless. i want to talk about the lives lived, the lives lost and the families they touched. >> we will be celebrating them tonight at a vigil taking place here at the college of charleston. >> thank you for your coverage. it's been amazing. >> thank you. we're hearing there about what should be the focus here as we stand out in a blistering sun. i don't know how you're not sweating. i am sweating. but as we talk about the fact that these vigils will be held tonight, we want to learn more about who this suspect is and our cristkristen welker has details on that. >> thomas good afternoon. the police chief tells me the
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arrest happened yesterday at 10:45 a.m. about 15 minutes after police had gotten a typical from debbie dills who works that the flower shop behind me. she was on her way to work on highway 74 and she said she thought she recognized the suspect in the car in front of her from news reports that she had seen the previous night. she called her boss here at the flower shop. he called police and just moments later, police started chasing the suspect and were able to arrest him. here's what debbie dills had to say about yesterday's stunning events. >> i seen him in the car. i seen his hair cut which was the, you know the bowl cut. and i thought, no i mean because it was just getting too coincidental or whatever. and i actually -- i mean i kind of had a bad feeling in my stomach. i had that feeling that something just wasn't right. so i went on around him and i got in front of him. when i got in front of him i looked back and i saw the front tag that they had showed on the
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news, that it was like a white tag with some kind of emblem in the middle and they never could say for sure what that was. you know. so i went ahead and got off on my exit to come here. and -- but something just kept nagging at me. you know what if what if. >> reporter: now, the police chief tells me that the suspect was taken into custody without incident. he didn't have any weapons on his person although they didn't search his car. the car and of course the suspect were sent to charleston south carolina. they have the lead on this investigation. today dills tells me her thoughts and prayers are with those who are mourning in neighboring south carolina. thomas, back to you. >> kristen welker thank you so much. what happens at mother emanuel wednesday night has people on high alert not just in charleston but around the country as we look at issues police in richmond virginia rushed to a church last night after a man showed up with what appeared to be a machete tapping
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on the glass and shouting racial threats. the past ter of the church ordered all the doors to be locked. police caught the man and took him on to the hospital for evaluation. as i said people are on high alert because of what took place here and, as you can see, there are still many people showing up with flowers here in front of mother emanuel to remember the victims. tonight at the college of charleston there will be a vigil. there have also been mother emanuel hope fund set up. the mayor was here earlier talking about a $25,000 donation that he heard of at 11:00 a.m. that was coming up, that came in to the fund already. coming up we're going to talk more about the nine people that were lost here two nights ago and remember them after this. >> my heart goes out to the people of emanuel and to the people of charleston. i pray for a community that i know is in pain. and with the hope that tragedies like these will one day come to
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my mama is a god-fearing woman. she loved everybody with all her heart. and to the other families i'm sorry about what happened. obviously you guys are devastated as we are. >> that was chris singleton talking about his mom sharonda coleman singleton who died inside this church behind me at the hands of the gunman dylann roof. her son saying that he will forgive. what we know going on in the community there have already been many vigils but there will be another one at 6:00 to honor the souls killed at the church. three men and six women. some were parents where they hold prominent posts. others were just getting started in their careers. one being a 26-year-old, recently graduated from college.
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but the most recognizable figure, the beloved pastor clementa pinckney, married father of two, elected to the state senate when he was just 23 years old. sharonda coleman singleton was a minister, speech therapist, kids track coach and the mom of two sons and a daughter. cynthia hurd was a librarian in charleston for three decades and all 16 branches were closed in her honor yesterday. the one that she serviced will be named after her. and the reverend depayne middleton-doctor leaves behind four children. she retired from a job helping boost services for the poofrr. we had an opportunity to speak with her niece. the youngest victim 26-year-old tywanza sanders known mainly as ty. he's the one that recently graduated with a degree in business administration. just 26 years old. the oldest victim 87-year-old susie jackson was a grandmother, a great grandmother. also looking forward to going on a church bus trip to chicago on sunday. jackson's cousin at the lance
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died alongside her leafing behind a huge family including four great grandchildren. and myra thompson was 59 years old married to a church vicar and the reverend daniel simmons sr. was a retired pastor who was alive when rescuers reached the scene on wednesday but he later died at a nearby hospital as they were trying to save his life. william dudley gregory is a charleston city council member and lifelong parishioner at emanuel ame church. thank you for being here. you knew all nine of the people that were lost inside the church behind us. how tough has this been for the community to come together because as we were talking about this is not just tight knit because so many families are related but the city is so tight knit. >> i think that we are one charleston. and this tragedy will prove that. i did know every single one of the victims. and luckily i was able to at least connect with at least five of them the day of the massacre. >> so on that day you had the opportunity to connect with five
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of them. how do you mean, you saw them in passing, spoke to them? what was the interaction? >> i was at a meeting at the church. and as our meeting broke, other started to come in. prior to that however, i was in reverend clementa's office when he came in. what i noticed about him that day was he just looked really really good. i mean just glowing. ms. susie jackson is a family member. she is my brother-in-law's mother. and when i leave here i'm going around with the family so that we can begin our healing process. as a city and as a church it's time for us to bury the dead and start a healing process so that we can get to forgiving and make sure that we don't let hate breed hate. >> one of the major things that is going on we see the church is building the elevator on the side, the elevator project. mayor talks about the fact that
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the fund has been set up has been overflowing with donation one being a $25,000 donation that kim with you earlier today. this is a community that is seeing an outpouring of love and support at a time of crisis. are you worried that's going to dissipate after you do go ahead and have services to say good-bye to those that have been lost? >> i don't think that this will ever dissipate. not only is the elevator one of our projects but the beautiful building right next to door to it which we just completed under reverend clementa's watch, another project. we have several on the books. the next one is to make sure that we get this icon sanctuary, to last for another 12 or2 or 300 years for the children to enjoy. >> how do you do that lasting work and also provide safety to the parishioners that want to come back to this house of worship, such a sacred place, historic place and try and guarantee that? >> well, it's all about praying,
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planning and developing policy to make sure that this is not happen again. our church is a church where our doors are always open. however, just as 9/11 changed this country, this massacre will change this city and change our church in terms of how we operate. >> thank you for taking time to speak with me. i appreciate you. my best to your family. sorry for the loss of your brother-in-law's mom. when we come back we're still awaiting dylann roof's 2:00 p.m. bond hearing. plus, we're going to catch up on other stories happening around today. but first, i talked to a man earlier today who knew one of the victims. cynthia hurd from working with her at the library. here's what he had to say about cynthia as he was an intern 14 years ago. >> i was shocked that he confessed. he knew he did it. as far as justice, i would like to let the justice system play that out. for the families i definitely know they want justice. you fell in love? when you got married?
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charleston south carolina. i'm thomas roberts. there is a grow debate on social media on how to refer properly to this massacre is it a hate crime or domestic terrorism. even jon stewart weighed on the issue on his show. >> i don't want to get into the political argument of the guns and things. but what blows my mind is the disparity of response between when we think people that are foreign are going to kill us and us killing ourselves. they're already using the nuanced language of lack of effort for this. this is a terrorist attack. >> so we are asking for your thoughts in today's bing pulse question. should the charleston shootings be called an act of terrorism? so we ask you to go ahead and
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vote now pulse.msnbc.com. we'll have your results later in this hour. right now though i want to go back to my colleague at msnbc world headquarters in new york. francis rivera has more on today's top stories around the nation. >> nice to see you there. the weather, a major concern as we head into the father's day weekend. storm is heading in arkansas and missouri today and two to four inches of rain are expected there bringing with it the threat of flash flooding. the rain is going to take aim at the aes east coast for father's day, from washington, d.c. to new york. in oklahoma a sad end to the search of 2-year-old swept out of his father's arms during a flash flood on wednesday. officials say they have recovered the boy's body. authorities leading the church for two new york prison escapees told reporters today patience will prevail. david sweat and richard matt were just added to the list of 15 most wanted fugitives. they've been on the run for two weeks now in a manhunt that has
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gone eerily cold. at a press conference earlier police are transitioning the search from large areas to targeted regions. they are confident they will catch the missing convicts. a bleak new report out today on the war on terror. the state department found that nearly 33,000 people were killed in terror attacks last year. that's a 35% jump from 2013 and most attacks happening overseas but the report found lone wolf domestic attacks are also on the rise. still to come here southern heritage or symbol of hate? thomas will be back live from charleston to discuss how the charleston massacre has reignited a sense tive controversy surrounding the confederate flag. >> the confederate battle flag is no better than a swastika. it is a symbol of hate, a symbol of treason, and i hear people when they say that it is a symbol of southern heritage but it's not a symbol that anyone should be proud of.
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nutrition starts with nut. welcome back to charleston south carolina. i'm thomas roberts. in roughly 30 minutes north charleston not too far from here dylann roof will be at a bond court hearing. he has been charge with nine counts of murder. according to sources he has confessed to the shooting. now, people all over this city they have flooded to the church behind me. mother emanuel. they're bringing flowers. they're bringing other item candles to pay their respects. you can see behind me how flooded the memorial is with people who want to come here and be around the church right now. we've also just learned connecticut governor dan man loy has asked them how to move forward. of course you will recall dannel malloy is the governor where they suffered the sandy hook elementary school shooting in december of 2012.
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earlier today i had the opportunity to speak with antoine it barr her aunt reverend depayne middleton-doctor was one of the nine people killed in the church. here's just a part of that interview. >> what's the reaction of the family for this loss and at the hands of something that -- that so hateful, the loss of someone that was so loved at such a tragedy? >> the reaction was i want to know if i can really put into words the reaction that we had. when i found out, i was at work. me and my mother work in the same facility. we were in different departments. i called her and told her and her response was just -- i'd can't even really describe it into words. but i broke down over the phone. my co-workers came and embraced me. it was just a really long stress. it is a trickle down effect for my family. i told my mom and my dad found out and he had to inform other family members. it was just hard. >> how grateful are you to know that there was such a swift operation to get the alleged shooter. >> i am beyond grateful because
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just to see how things went one after the other after the other. saying we've got agency this agency, this agency working together and we're going to track this down. i was so grateful because usually you have things delayed an waiting and waiting, this happened, this hasn't been done yet. everybody worked to the and made a collective effort. i'm so grateful to have a quick turn around. >> we have the arraignment coming up this afternoon. what are your hopes for justice in this? >> i won't say that i'm not one for death penalty but at the same time an eye for an eye because it was wrong. everyone is saying mental illness. i don't feel mental illness in this case. i don't. you came in saying that you were looking to count and kill black people. that says racism to me. >> again, you should have that hearing coming up after 2:00. it will be on closed circuit television. my interview whose aunt died in that shooting and she it is say she is supportive of the death
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penalty in this situation. wee see what happens later in the first of many court appearances to come for dylann roof. two flags atop the state house in columbia were lowered to half staff. but the confederate flag that flies there is not. it is at full staff. it is causing quite a controversy and while the governor has jurisdiction over how state flags fly the general assembly must sign off on changes to how the confederate flag flies. mark is the director of black enforcement alliance native of south carolina. he joins me here on-site. mark, it's nice to see you in person. not under the best of circumstances but as we lack at what the conversation is about the confederate flag we have a survey that's out and take a look at this. this is from survey monkey that talks about what people feel. 49% feel it's a symbol of southern pride and 49% feel it's a symbol of racism. i mean this is divided right down the center within the margin of error.
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why do you think that there is such a controversy and there is such a symbol of pride for so many in what other people would link to a swastika? >> i think what has happened is that over time there has been a rebranding of the confederate flag by many who held those values that the confederate flag represents to many black people. it is for black people quite frankly, thomas. a symbol of hate. and as part of this ongoing discussion about what needs to be done to at least address hate there must be a further conversation about what to do with the flag flying at this state house which represents for so many people, black people a symbol of hate. the rebranding occurred when they decided to relabel it let's make it a battle flag. let's make it a flag that deals with our heritage those people who died in the civil war fighting it. but the fact remains that unfortunately people don't want to hear this but we don't normally celebrate the losers of a war, especially when those losers were the ones who fought this country. >> i want to play for everybody,
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congressman mark sanford, he appeared on "morning joe" and he talked about this very issue. take a listen to how he responded. >> if i was to talk to other folks say, wait a minute, my great great grandfather died in the battle of bull run and for me it's a symbol of either state's rights or of the loss that was felt within our family. it's a very complex issue within our state. and i don't think that that should be the immediate solution because it's one that would take frankly, some time. >> so as the former governor and now elected to congress he talks about the fact that he has family members who died fighting under that flag and that's why it's important to someone like him. do you think though it's fair that some people make that link to another heinous symbol which is a swastika? do you think that's a fair association? >> on many levels i do think it's a fair associa comparison. let's deal with what that flag
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represents to black people and we can go over some historical significance and relevance to it. so i think that there's a real pause for there to be an honest discussion, not only about race but hate and let's deal with the symbolism and not pretend to be everyone tent when it's time to correct that and not hide behind heritage. >> meanwhile, let's play senator lindsey graham which kind was a shock to many. take a listen to that. >> at the end of the day it's time for people of south carolina to revisit that decision, would be fine with me, but this is part of who we are. the flag represents to some people a civil war and that was the symbol of one side. to these it's a racist symbol. it's been use t to people it's been used in a racist way. >> right here on this platform is where mayor joe riley stood at 11:00 a.m. and fielded a handful of questions. one was yelled out as he was walking away is do you think the confederate flag should be taken
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down. he said, yes. do you think you will see that in your lifetime? >> i'm hopeful that will occur and i think it would be really -- a respectable tribute in memory of those that we lost here at mother emanuel. i think that would go a long way in beginning the process toward addressing whatever racial animosity that exists, that we can't be in denial about. more importantly about correcting the wrong and respecting all people regardless of race. >> thank you sir. i appreciate your time. >> what happened in south carolina is bringing a renewed focus on the issue of hate crimes in the u.s. and blacks are without a doubt one of the most victimized in the country. francis is at msnbc world headquarters in new york with that part of the story. >> we have numbers that support this. we look at the federal numbers on hate crimes. keep in mind these numbers are likely lower than in reality because they can go unreported. so let's start with the number of hate crimes over the past decades or so. the number of black victims have dropped significantly.
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you can see here represented in the red in the graphic. it's pretty much since it started in there in 1996 where there were 4,000 but as you can see with this decline here blacks remain the most common targets of hate crimes as opposed to these here. a closer look at the most recently available numbers from 2013. about one-third of all hate crime victims in 2013 were black and you can see that it represented there in this pie chart as represented in red that is followed by 20%, gays lesbians, bisexuals and gets smaller with the yellow area representing the 10% whites and the others by representing muslims at 2% and hispanics at 6% of that as well. 46% prosecute the crimes against race and ethnicity but not the states you see here highlighted. the five states that include south carolina where the church shootings were georgia indiana, arkansas wyoming and utah.
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federal law applies to these states but that means you have to get the fed's attention and involved in that. numbers in south carolina they suggest the need for a hate crime law if you're going to break that down here. you talk about the fbi says that they were this amount. 51 reported incidents in 2013 alone and 33 of them were racially motivated. so you take that breakdown, thomas, and then you can see in this case you know 19 known hate groups inside the state. that's according to the southern poverty law center. they include two factions of the ku klux klan and four so-called white naturalist groups. thomas? >> francis, thank you for doing the research on that. we're going to talk now to john buries, criminal defense attorney. john, does it work in the favor of dylann roof that south carolina, as francis just pointed out there, is one of the five states that does not have a hate crime penalty law for race? >> it doesn't work in the sense that you prosecute just under
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the state criminal statue where murder -- where you have multiple murders you can get the death penalty. under the federal hate crime you cannot get a death penalty. life sentence but no death penalty. if death penalty and getting away from that is the big issue being tried in south carolina is a better place to be than in the federal courts. it's trying to get away from the death penalty, federal court is getter than the state. on the other hand, domestic terrorist act. if you're found guilty under that statue and people have been killed you can get the death penalty like the boston marathon people. so it depends on whether government wants to go. but if i'm looking at it from the defender's point of view i'm thinking that maybe a federal hate crime might be the best place to go. the sentence is not going to be greater. when you go to federal prison it's a better place to be that in state court. i don't know that those issues are being discussed but those are the factor it is you're defense counsel you would be looking at. >> as we map this out and if you are looking at it from that perspective, the number of
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annual hate crime convictions is smag only 21 in the 2014 fiscal year. that's less than 1% john of cases. and it's even less likely here in south carolina. don't you think, in a conviction? >> i don't think -- this is an easier state -- hate crime case than most cases. you have direct statements that are being made. you have black people, white kid has done it. he made statements around it. he wants to start a civil war. the hate crime aspect is not going to be difficult to prove unlike other case where's you look at circumstantial evidence. here you've got direct evidence. it's really a question of mental state of the young man and given what he has said if you follow through on that, clearly you have that. and on a criminal side, though, in the state court, then you have something else in terms of first degree murder. >> john burris, attorney thank you for your insights. when we come back we'll continue our live coverage from charleston south carolina. i'm going to have a chance to speak with martin luther king's eldest son about what if
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it's covered by most health plans. welcome back to our live coverage live in charleston outside the mother emanuel church. we're just two days ago one of the most horrific crimes in our nation's history happened, a gunman walking into a prayer study at 8:p.m. and then at 9:00 p.m. opening fire shooting and killing nine people. it was just a short time ago
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that i spoke with south carolina senator tim scott. he is the state's junior senator and one of only two black u.s. senators in the country. >> this outpouring of love with the flowers. >> incredibly important. affection for our community to those who lost their lives. it's important. it's a fas tasfantastic display for the victims' family. >> a lot of people want to talk politics but it's important -- >> i don't want to talk politics. we've heard it all day long. we'll continue to hear it for the next several days and will certainly be an important part of how we look for future solutions. today i want to talk about healing and restoration and focus on my community. >> you tweeted about you can replace hate with love. it got over 600 retweets. why do you think that resonates? >> it's true. if you look back 50 years, look at the greatest struggles our country has ever seen one thing i know without question is that hate can be replaced with love. we know that the pain we feel
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today can be soothed with kindness and the hostilities that we consistently feel and sense and sometimes experience can be replaced with good will. so if we do what we're supposed to do as citizens we'll engage ourselves in healing and restoration. >> senator, thank you. >> south carolina junior senator tim scott. we thank him for taking time for us. june 16th, the day before dylann roof took the lives of nine extraordinary members of this community, pillars here in charleston, mother emanuel celebrated 193rd anniversary of a planned slave revolt coordinated by one of the founder founders. for almost two centuries the church has been a cornerstone, beacon of hope in this community. revered symbol of black resistance to slavery and racism. booker t. washington spoke there in 1909. martin luther king jr. cave an impassioned speech on voting rights in 1962. it was then in 1969 that coretta scott king led a march from the
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church's front steps advocating for higher pay for hospital workers. this was after the death of her husband. martin luther king iii is the oldest son of dr. martin luther king jr. and coretta scott king and he joins us now. have we've been reporting emanuel ame is a cornerstone for black civil rights for people of faith. it's a home that is sacred to so many and your mom and dad. they've both been here. it was so important for your father and for other people in politics to pass through this church. when you heard about what happened here what was your first reaction? >> well, my first reaction was oh my goodness this is beyond tragic. you may know that in 1974 my grandmother was gunned down in a church. my father's mother. and i said, oh, my gosh yet again we have another incident.
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those were the first two thoughts that i had. and then i immediately went to the families thinking about what they were going through, having immediately lost loved ones. and then i began to think about how is healing going to take place in this great community that represents so much history for our nation and certainly for the state of south carolina. >> sir, why do you think, as you bring up your own grandmother's murder happening in a church, why do you think we continue to live through these horrific crime scenes generationally? >> you know i don't know that there is a specific answer but i certainly agree with senator scott and his interview earlier when he talked about there's a lot of hatred in our nation or there's more than needs to be. i wouldn't say a lot. the vast majority of americans i
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don't believe are hateful. but there's too much hate. and the only way we can address hate is through love. my dad used tosay, only light can put out darkness. so hate comes from a dark place. but love comes from a very bright and credible place and so we really do need to find ways to create love. i would finally say very quickly we have in america embraced a culture of violence. and we've got to change our culture and hopefully work to engage in a culture of nonviolence. >> martin luther king iii, thank you for taking the time to talk to me. i appreciate it. >> thank you. >> boeing will donate $100,000 to the mother emanuel hope fund.
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>> the outpouring from the citizens of our community and from our country is result of this great tragedy has been remarkable and, and so heart warming. >> it was just yesterday that they announced that this donation fund was up and operational and going to the victims' family and the church and lots of different options for all of you there at home and around the world to donate. you can do it by mail by text online or you can drop off donations by check at any wells fargo location. nobody told us to expect it... intercourse that's painful due to menopausal changes it's not likely to go away on its own. so let's do something about it. premarin vaginal cream can help it provides estrogens to help rebuild vaginal tissue and make intercourse more comfortable. premarin vaginal cream treats vaginal changes due to menopause and moderate-to-severe painful intercourse caused by these changes.
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>> great to see the excitement for them and the doors opening up. make that a reality for them. toure, thank you very much. toure will co-host the growing hope initiative live at 3:00 p.m. eastern time. we'll have much more from charleston in the next hour. we are waiting for the bond hearing for the accused shooter dylann roof. we'll bring it to you live and the prosecutor's news conference immediately following. stay with us as we check in live with thomas in charleston, as well. time upon a once people approached problems the way same. always start at the starting. and questions the same asking. but that only resulted in improvements small. so we step a took back and problems turned these inside-up-down to approach them newly. and that's when we it saw.
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be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. good afternoon, everybody. i'm thomas roberts reporting live in charleston north carolina. i want to show everybody the live shots in the charleston county detention center located in north charleston and any moment we expect to seedy landn roof appear for the bond hearing. sources say that he's confessed to the brutal slaying of nine
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black men and women in the historic house of worship behind me. frank dorp grabbed this photo of a court dock that shows his signature. there is the image of this 21-year-old's signature. you can see it right there. roof apprehended less than 48 hours after the massacre here at emanuel ame about 150 miles in north shelby north carolina where he was picked up by police. a woman that kept up with the reports noticed a black car and roof's distinctive bowl hair cut and here's what that woman told the "today" show. >> i was nervous. i was scared. normally not that kind of person. i got back on the bypass to go see just if i could get a tag number, just to see, make sure just had -- just had a feeling. i'm sure that was divine intervention. i have said it before. i'm going to say it here again.
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i feel like god had his hand in it. he had me where he needed me to be. i was nervous. i was scared. >> debbie is an amazing person. someone who's so humble. doesn't want to be hearing -- these are two different shots. left-hand side of the screen is exterior out charleston county detention center. right-hand side is the closed circuit image we seedy landn roof appear before a judge. adam reiss joins me here in charleston. explain to all of us since we confessed, how will the process go? does it happen faster? >> we will have the hearing, hear about the nine counts of murder charge, the possession of the weapon. we also want to learn more about the motive. there is going to be a press conference afterwards with the prosecutor. we want to know why. there's a civil rights investigation into a possible hate crime. why did he do this?
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what kind of groups was he associated with? what did the friends say? he's a 21-year-old young man described as a loner. talked about segregation and hating blacks. what was behind this? why did he come into the church and commit a horrific crime? we just learned that the governor of connecticut called governor of south carolina to express his condolences but also to talk about how can we address this? how do we deal with this? he dealt with the newtown massacre and has experience in this. how do we deal with this happening all too regularly in our society. >> this is the breaking news we expect to see the cctv appearance of dylann roof and arraignment. left-hand side of the screen an exterior of the charleston county detention center. adam, tell us more about what authorities say about roof's actions, what we know about how he was in the church for almost an hour. >> right. it's just unbelievable.
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he came in. he clearly had this as a plan but he almost got cold feet because the people here in the bible study group were so nice and then in the end, of course we know that he got cold feet when he was arrested yesterday, up in shelby north carolina, they said the arrest was pretty uneventful. he confessed and he said that you know again, he came in here with a mission. he almost got cold feet because of the nice church god fearing people. >> pillars of the community. you don't get any better than the people that show up on wednesday night for bible study. those are the true strengths of the community and we know from learning about all of their backgrounds about love. >> the pastor next to him. he opened fire and then the stories we heard, the 5-year-old girl who laid on the ground pretending she was dead. a gentleman said shoot me. don't shoot them. he said don't worry. i'm going to shoot all of you. just horrifying details from inside the church. on wednesday night. >> and again, we are looking at the images on our screen here on
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the left-hand side outside of the charleston county detention center. the center are the earliest images we got after roof apprehended and transported back from shelby north carolina to charleston. right-hand side of the screen is image of the closed circuit tv appearance that he's going to be making and explain how that works. the judge and roof and two different locations. >> he will be in the detention center. the judge in the courthouse it's a split screen. i want to tell you when's so amazing is he is in a jail cell right next to michael sleighager who allegedly shot walter scott in april. here we are back in june for something similar. just a horrific shooting. >> that's the reference to what happened in north charleston where we understand walter scott was pulled over. he fled his vehicle and then we have that video that came out from a good samaritan, a
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bystander showing what happened in the park. we are in front of mother e emanuel and we are awaiting the arraignment. for roof on the right-hand side of the screen he is appearing to the judge via closed circuit television. on the left-hand side of the screen is the exterior of the charleston county detention center. >> you look at that photo, 21 years old. some describe him as shy and photos yesterday where you could say that he was sneering at the camera. very curious to know what his mood is today. how he will appear when he appears in court. what kind of responses he may or may not give. does he have an attorney today? we don't know. >> we are waiting the find out if that's going to be someone that appears or someone to make themselves known to the media coming up. we have not heard from family members. mark potter went to what is
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believed to be his father's home the other day and tried to make contact but was asked to leave the home and that the father was not going to be making any comments to the media. adam, thanks so much. we'll be watching this for everybody. i'm going to ask you to stay close and point out to everybody while we are waiting to see the procedural court process in all of this injustice, it's important and everybody in charleston wants to make sure we talk about those that were lost and while we're in the process of covering this from the criminal aspect we want to cover this from the point of celebration for everybody that was lost because there will be a vigil held tonight at 6:00 to honor the nine souls and i say a celebration because there's so many people drawn together by this to remember the pillars of this community. three men and six women, some who were parents, some who held prominent posts, others just getting started autoin their careers from 87 to 26. the most recognizable figure
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the beloved pastor clementa pinckney. had a calling to the ministry at 13. then we have coalman-singleton, a minister, a speech therapist, a kids' track coach. all branches were closed in her honor yesterday. the branch that she serviced will be named after her in her honor. the reverend middleton-doctor leaving behind four children and i spoke with her niece a short time ago. >> how does the community come together and move on? what do you mope to see happen? >> one thing that i'm so proud of my city of is that we came together and prayed. because ame and myself, this is not my home church but a sister church of mine and to know we came together and prayed and put it together that way, we didn't rebel, yell scream or riot. we didn't say -- ahh.
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didn't getting an are investigated. we did what we know how to do best and that's to pray. >> the youngest victim is 26-year-old sanders. ty as he was known. recently graduated with a degree of business administration. the oldest victim 87-year-old suzie jackson, a grandmother looking forward to traveling on a church bus trip to chicago on sunday. jackson's cousin died alongside leaving behind a huge family including four great grandchildren and myron thompson married to a church vicker. and the retired pastor who was alive when rescuers and first responders reached this horrific scene on wednesday. however, he died later at the hospital in surgery. joining me now is the reverend joseph darby of african methodist episcopal church. what goes through your head talking about tonight's vigil?
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what goes through your head trying to make sense of what happened here? >> it's a part of healing process. i think the healing process is multifa multifaceted. part of that is ongoing effort and advocacy to make sure that the climate changes that allows that allows this kind of things. >> we're waiting for the arraignment hearing to happen for dylann roof, the alleged suspect in all of this the man 21 years old, confessed to doing this. talk to us about the climate. how does charleston south carolina how does the country move forward when we know through his own admission and witness admission that he wanted to create some type of civil war discourse. >> i think what we do really hope that what this does is give pause to those who played the politics of racial division and fear to gain a few votes. many of those who are crying and
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wondering what to do engaged in political stunt and when you do that you're not only turning voters but energize people of poor judgment. >> we know that sunday is a really emotional day as people pour into their churches for worship. what is your message to the community? >> my message is that we celebrate life. god gives us life in this world and beyond this world and best service and remembrance to those to addvocate for all of god's children. >> dylann roof would be one of them. >> he would be one of them. >> what do you think is justice as we wait again, just a reminder on the left-hand side of the screen the arraignment hearing. >> i would keep him in prayer. i would hope that justice would take its course in this world and in beyond this world. >> when you say that do you mean that you would like to see him get the death penalty if he was convicted or like to see him serve life behind bars?
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>> african methodist episcopal church opposes the death penalty officially. i might be struggling if that's my child. that's the official position of the church. >> so that's the church's position. what you're going to stand with. >> i'm standing with that position. >> okay. sir, when we think about certain people in the state of south carolina that have made comments they wouldn't be supportive of a position like that south carolina does have the death penalty -- >> yeah yeah. >> are you worried about the divide that creates in the state? >> i don't think that's a major divide. that's been a long-standing thing in south carolina so there will be the usual opponents and usually supporters. >> looking at the images on the left, it's 2:11. we were expecting to see the arraignment at the top of the hour. at 2:00. one thing that we have learned about his background is that he had white supremacy leanings and the confederate flag flies at the state capitol.
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does that insult you? >> it's insulted me since it went up, yeah. it went up in the '60s. during the civil rights movement. it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out the statement. it is not a sovereign flag. unlike some folks, i'm not sorry it's not flying at half staff now. it would be an insult to me to have a flag that does not represent a nation fly lowered commemorating the death of nine black folk. >> i want to pass along to the viewers the court appearance. we will have that live for everybody coming up any moment. how do we have that conversation about what that symbol means in a calm collective cool way that sees people come to consensus? we had a survey earlier that it's pretty much divided 49% think it's a support of pride and heritage. 49% are offended by it.
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we have to find a way to discuss the fact that there are those who respect the flag because their an ses sos marched under it. those that detest the flag because their ancestors marched under it. and i don't object to anyone celebrating their history but history's best observed in historical context. in front of the state house is not a historical context. >> we are just watching the live image on the left-hand side of the screen expecting to seedy landn roof appearing for his closed-circuit tv appearance before a judge and now bringing in the president of the national urban league. mark i'm sure you're listening to me with the reverend here talking about the consequence and what justice looks like. the reverend gave his opinion, the official church position. where do you fall on what justice looks like in a case like this? >> well we certainly oppose the
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death penalty. on moral grounds and on grounds that it is never equally applied. notwithstanding that the criminal justice process has to indeed go forward. but during these times, it's also very important to create a sense that we're standing with the families we're all standing with the community. the nation i think is unified in outrage, in shock. with respect to this incident and with respect to this heinous hate crime and act of domestic terrorism. and in the short run, let us focus on the sharing of grief on proper mourning but beyond that we're going to have to have a discussion about gun safety, a discussion and look to take action when it comes to the
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reappearance in this country, the expansion in this country of these hate groups and i am certainly want the know more about what motivated this young man to embrace the ideology of hate and racism with certainly motivated this heinous crime. >> mark, i'll ask you to stand by and for all the viewers, we are awaiting any minute dylann roof to appear in charleston south carolina via closed circuit television before a judge for arrangement. we'll take a quick break and be right back. i tried tylenol but it was 6 pills a day. with aleve it's just two pills, all day. now i'm back! aleve. all day strong. audible safety beeping audible safety beeping
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welcome back everybody. i'm thomas roberts live here in front of mother emanuel street a busy and active scene behind us. at the same time, we have the
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new images knowing that the seal appeared on the cctv that will be where dylann roof makes his appearance before the judge. adam reiss is here with me. we believed it was going to start at 2:00. we understand that the judge is walking out right now. did roof walk in? my monitor is not working right now. explain to everybody what's going to happen. >> you see a room. it looks like a cell but it's a room where he'll walk in. he'll face the judge via two-way closed circuit tv. he is walking in right now. let's listen. >> he is about to walk in right now. let's listen. >> today is june 19th, 2015. charleston county bond court. i'm judge james gosnel. this is the case of state versus
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dylann roof. mr. roof is charged with nib counts of murder and one count of possession of a weapon during the commission of a violent crime. ladies and gentlemen, before i get into the hearing, i'd like to make a statement, please. charleston is a very strong community. we have big hearts. we're a very loving community. and we're going to reach out to everyone, all victims, and we will touch them. we have victims, nine of them. but we also have victims on the other side. there are victims on this young man's side of the family. nobody would have ever thrown them into the whirlwind of events that they have been thrown into it. we must find it in our heart some point in time not to help those of victims but to help his family as well.
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and it's all done and said charlotte wilson is solicitor and will have done the best job they can do. they're some of the finest. our law enforcement are the finest in this state. and they will do their job honorably. i trust they will. with that being said we will move forward today with this hearing. mr. roof is charged with nine counts of murder and one count of possession of a weapon during the commission of the crime. representing the state is solicitor scarlet wilson and representing the defendant is mr. ashley pennington. does the defendant -- excuse me. does the defendant give me permission to conduct this hearing via video conferenceing, mr. pennington? >> yes. he is aware this would be the
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process and certainly agree to that. >> thank you very much. mr. roof has counsel today appointed and it would be mr. pennington. is that correct? >> yes, your honor. >> thank you, sir. mr. roof you're charged with nine counts of murder and one count of possession of a weapon during the commission of a violent crime. your first appearance court date will be october the 23rd, 2015 at 2:00 p.m. your second court date appearance court date will be february the 5th, 2016 at 9:00 a.m. mr. roof you have the right to a preliminary hearing. this is a hearing to review the evidence that the state is using to establish probable cause, to substantiate the charges that they have brought against you today. i have some questions, if i may with permission of counsel. mr. roof is your address 10428
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garners fairy road? >> yes, sir. >> what is your age? >> 21. >> you're 21 years. are you employed? >> no, sir. >> you're unemployed at this time? >> yes, sir. >> thank you. >> detective burkhart? >> yes, sir? >> does the defendant have a criminal history? >> he does your honor. >> what is it please? >> only two charges that i'm aware of. i have a drug possession charge of 3/1/15 and trespassing of 4/26 of 15. >> thank you. >> there is no dispossession. >> pending at this time? >> that is correct. >> thank you very much. so noted. solicitor wilson do you have any statement to make before this court today in regards to these charges? >> none your honor. >> not at this time. mr. pennington do you have any
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statements to make to this court in regards to these charges? >> your honor, i have met with mr. roof. i think he understands the proceedings. he understands that only a circuit court can set bond and murder cases. therefore, we're prepared today to accept the no bond arrangement. we appreciate the court's courtesy. and i will gather all information and supply it to him in due course. >> thank you. before we go into the bond process, i would like to ask are there any members, is there a representative of any of the family that would be here that wish to make a statement before this court before i post or set the bond? i'll go through this. suzie jackson. is there a representative of the family of suzie jackson? >> no. >> sandra singleton? miss singleton.
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there are. will you please stand? you have a right as the representative of the family to make a statement today before we set bond. would you like to do so ma'am? >> no, sir. >> thank you very much. >> ethel lance. would you like to make a statement in regards to this hearing concerning ethel lance as a victim ma'am? >> yes. >> would you like to come forward, please? you are representing the family of ethel lance. is that correct? >> yes. >> you are whom ma'am? >> the daughter. >> the daughter. >> i'm listening. you can talk to me. >> i just wanted everybody to know, to you, i forgive you.
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you took something very precious away from me. i will never talk to her ever again. i will never be able to hold her again. but i forgive you. and have mercy on your soul. you have hurt me. you hurt a lot of people. may god forgive you. and i i forgive you. >> thank you, ma'am. i appreciate you being here. represent ift of the family of myra thompson. sir, would you like to make a statement before this court? please come forward.
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your name sir? >> anthony thompson. >> mr. thompson. >> i would just like him to know that -- >> speak up for me. >> saying the same thing that was just said. i forgive you. my family forgive you. but we would like you to take this opportunity to repent. repent. confess. give the life to the one who matters the most. christ. so that he can change it can change your ways no matter what happened to you and you'll be okay. do that. and you'll be better off than you are right now. >> thank you, sir. tywan sanders.
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your name ma'am? your name ma'am? >> felicia sanders. >> thank you, ms. sanders, for being here. >> we welcome you wednesday night in our bible study with open arms. you have killed some of the most beautifulest people that i know. every fiber in my body hurts. and i'll never be the same. tywanza sanders is my son but he was my hero. tywanza was my hero. but as we say in the bible study, we enjoyed you but may god have mercy on you. >> thank you, ma'am. a representative of daniel
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simmons? your name ma'am? >> halana simmons. >> thank you for being here. your statement, please. >> although my grandfather and the other victims died at the hands of hate this is proof everyone's plea for your soul is proof that they -- they lived in love and their legacies will live in love. so hate won't win. and i just want to thank the courts for making sure that hate doesn't win. >> thank you, ma'am, for being here. cynthia hurd a representative of the family of the cynthia hurd.
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>> we have nothing to say. >> thank you very much. and thank you for being here today, sir. the reverend depayne middleton-doctor. your name please ma'am? >> nathana brown. my sister. i want to thank you on behalf of my family for not allowing hate to win. for me i'm a work in progress and i acknowledge that i'm very angry but one thing depayne join in our family with is she taught me that we are the family that love built! we have no room for hate. so we have to forgive.
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i pray god on your soul and i also thank god that i won't be around when your judgment day comes with him. may god bless you. >> thank you, ma'am. representative of the reverend and senator clementa pinckney. is there a representative of the pinckney family here today? thank you. mr. pennington is there anything else you wish to tell the court? >> not at this time your honor. >> ms. wilson is there anything you wish to tell the court? >> no, sir. i just want to make it clear for those that you don't have authority to set bond on the murder charges so that's why you aren't addressing those but we have the bond for one firearms charge so regardless of what bond you set, the defendant will
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remain in custody. >> yes, ma'am. on the nine counts of murder i do not have the authority to set bond on these charges. on the count, one count of possession of a weapon during the commission of a violent crime i'm setting your bond at $1 million. is there anything else to come before this court today in regards to this case? hearing none we stand concluded in this hearing. thank you. >> thank you, your honor. >> this was an amazing thing we witnessed right now. the arraignment that was held by closed captioned television between dylann roof 21 years old and the judge in this case been hearing emotional testimony from the family but can we look over
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here right now? i mean it's kind of heart breaking. they're singing and a whole flood of people showed up. at the same time -- this arraignment was taking place so you're hearing from the family and then this whole group of people showed up. and they're singing a gospel song. and you heard from the family members of those who were lost. and i apologize. but you can see the outpouring of support for this community. it goes all the way down the street. of people that showed up at the exact same time that this arraignment was going on and we heard from the family members of ethelens lance, myra simmons, ty
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sanders. now, i'm sorry. >> it's just so incredibly emotional, not only on the part of the family members but the judge. we heard from these family members talk about how they forgive him. numerous family members said they forgive him. one said we welcomed you inside this church behind you. we welcomed you with open arms. now every fiber in my body is hurting. i want to mention what the judge said. it was unusual to take a minute out and make these comments. he said charleston is a strong community. we have big hearts. we are a loving community. we'll find it in our hearts not only to help the victims but to help your family. it's just incredible what -- the kind of emotion that took place. >> for us to see what's taking place, the amount of people in front of the church and the same time the hearing took place and started to sing. we also heard for the first time
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from dylann roof himself asked by the judge his age and whether or not he was employed. he's 21 and unemployed and we learned the appointed attorney ashley pennington. you can hear the applause. >> it's just -- this crowd is just swelling. it was at one point down the block and it is just growing an growing. i want to point out that the judge said he didn't have the authority to set bond for the nine counts of murder but with anger in his voice he set the bond at $1 million for the firearm possession. >> we also learned that the other hearings coming up at least the court dates coming up as we continue to follow the justice system will be october 23rd, will be his first appearance, october 23rd of 2015 at 2:00 p.m. and february. adam, i was overcome and hearing, it's hard. i think for our viewers at home you can probably understand
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you're hearing this in our ears the testimony of the family members, you know victim testimony. >> raw. >> that's raw and then this flood of people showing upstarting to sing here in front of what has technically still been -- still a murder scene. the judge is talking in the arraignment. let's go back to the courtroom. >> nobody would have ever thrown them into the whirlwind of events that they have been thrown into. we must find it in our heart at some point in time not only to help those that are victims but to also help his family as well. when it's all done and said scarlet wilson as solicitor and ashley pennington will have done the best job that they can do. they're some of the finest. >> some of the message that the judge had originally. that was the judge speaking originally in the courtroom when we first had the beginning of this arraignment hearing.
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but what we did learn, again, as adam was pointing out, no bond set. $1 million bond set for the count of possession of a firearm. the weapon used in the murders behind us here at mother emanuel. we did not know who the attorney was. we now know the attorney's name. ashley pennington. the judge said we need to find it within our heart to help his family, as well. we haven't heard much from the roof family. >> we are waiting to hear from the prosecutor and interesting what she says she learns. details of the investigation. motive. we didn't hear much from him today. he answered how old he is. does he have a job. unemployed. one-word answers and he didn't appear -- kept his head down. quiet. listening to the people here praying and singing, it's just incredibly emotional moment not only for these people here who were members of the church but this city as well. >> no.
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it's very moving. we have a family here? we're live on the air on msnbc. do you mind if i ask you why you brought your kids down here? >> to kind of remember the families and the people that died here and just to show our love for the city and show we're bigger and greater than the evil that happened here. >> why is it important for you to bring your small toddlers? >> to explain to my son what happened and that even though there's so much hate that love's still there and god still is above everything. >> and you feel the same way? >> yes. i feel it's a historic moment for our children to witness something so amazing and how love turns all this hatred and evil around. >> how old are your kids? you have a little baby. >> yes. >> i don't know if the cameras pick this up as well. >> 3 months old. >> two years and four years. >> two and -- you're almost 3? >> almost 3. >> almost 3. okay. we have a birthday coming up. thank you for taking time to talk to us. >> no problem. >> that's an example of the outpouring of people young
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families that are bringing their kids down here talking about the fact they want love to overturn any hate and to be a part of historic moment. again, we have seen this flood, this mass of love and outpouring show up here on the streets at the exact same time that the arraignment was going on and singing broke out and you hear applause behind me. but it was an incredible dichotomy as you're watching the image of what is a very deranged young man and now we have -- excuse me. we have the prosecutor outside the courthouse? can you confirm we have -- who do we have outside the courthouse? >> gabe gutierrez. >> thanks. nbc's gabe gutierrez. forgive me. gabe, you are outside the courthouse. explain what we just witnessed for the arraignment. >> good afternoon. well, it was a very emotional arrangement as you have heard. we are in front of the detention center courthouse where the hearing took place.
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across the parking lot. there's a press conference over here. a lot going on right now. let's take you back before the hearing started and what you couldn't see outside the courtroom, victims' families coming in one by one. we expected that members of the family allowed inside and then told it would be a pool situation. that would be where one media outlet to beam out the images and so overcrowded and so victims' families to show up there. many of the bond hearings many of these, you know they're often formalities, this is anything but. there were people in there, the judge as you heard delivered very powerful statement at the beginning of that hearing where he talked about the charleston community and that this was not while the pain and i'm paraphrasing here talked about the pain of the victims' family and the pain being suffered by the family of the suspected shooter, then he got the hearing under way and talked about specifics, next logistics
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rather. the next court hearing for october and then february. but then he allowed victims' families to come forward and deliver very emotional statements. for example, there was a daughter of ethel lance who said, i forgive you. but, she said you took something very precious away from me. family member after family member spoke out for the first time to the suspected shooter and very emotional. the media was allowed into an overflow room and you can feel the emotion in that room. right now, the hearing just let out. we expect the victims' family to come out of the building and then again, that prosecutor's news conference expected in a few minutes, thomas. >> nbc's gabe gutierrez, thanks so much. and, yes, it was very raw to listen to the families give testimony and we heard from so many of them on scene to speak directly to the alleged killer the person that's confessed to
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killing nine people in the mother emanuel church behind me. you can hear the applause from the crowd and just a touching moment a minute ago everybody asked to give a hand shake or a hug to your neighbor and the crowd responded in kind. but let's go back to the courtroom and listen to some of the family victim testimony. we're going to -- i'm sorry. we have paul henderson, legal prosecutor, joining us now. paul we'll get that sound turned and play it for everybody about what happened but how typical is that to have victim testimony like that, be so power powerful at an arrangement, bond hearing? >> it is always really powerful and heartwrenching as you have heard. especially when you have charges this like and empowering for the community and those victims and families to have their voices heard. and in a case like this especially in the very beginning of the case while charges are
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being read and while it's being contemplated what bond can be or could be in a case like for them to feel like they have had their voices heard and we heard it. i think the audiences heard it. the judge certainly heard it and reacted to it. i think you could tell in how he responded and setting bond at that rate for just the gun charges. and not the murder charges. and the homicide charges. but in a case like this where we're dealing with hate crimes and it's so controversial and it tugs at the heart of everyone, i think it is important to try to get the victims' families there as much as possible and engage them so people understand their pain and you see the community responding to their pain. one of the things i think that stands out in contrary to what he had asked for which he was trying to cause a race war and what we're getting is the exact opposite. we're seeing community that is are coming together.
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they're standing with each other as a reaction against this horrific crime that has been committed. and i think that speaks to the community that's there and it speaks to one of the thing that is the conversation is coming out of those victims being heard and having their voices heard in court like this. in the courtroom. so i think it's very important. it's not typical but i think it's absolutely relevant in this case. >> and just take you back live here on the scene in front of mother emanuel. the crowd continues to swell and tharn preaching and chanting all lives matter and that's why we stand together today, all lives matter. and the crowd was cheering. but as paul references very emotional and raw testimony inside the arraignment hearing from family members of those that were lost. murdered. two nights ago in this church behind me at a bible study. let's listen to what it's done to these families.
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>> i forgive you. you took something very precious away from me. i will never talk to her. ever again. i will never be able to hold her again. but i forgive you. and have mercy on your soul. you have hurt me. you hurt a lot of people. but god forgive you. and i forgive you. >> i forgive you. my family forgive you. but we will take this opportunity to -- we want you to take this opportunity to repent. repent. confess. give your life to the one who matters the most. christ. so that he can change you. can change your ways no matter what happened to you and you'll be okay. do that.
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and you'll be better off. >> so that was just moments ago inside the court when we had the arraignment hearing taking place for dylann roof via closed circuit television and hearing from the family of victims. the crowd swells as people come out here to talk to mourn together to celebrate together the fact that they're not going to be ruptured by what this 21-year-old did. nbc news justice correspondent pete williams joins me now. we understand who the person is representing roof now, a person by the name of ashley pennington appointed to him. pennington said in the hearing that the 21-year-old client understood the fact that there was no bond. however, that was in reference to the nine counts of murder that he's charged with. we did get a bond on the one -- bond set at $1 million for the possession the weapons possession charge.
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>> well, regardless of the authority of this judge, there's no question that someone facing this kind of charge is not going to get out on bond before the trial. so that is certainly legally correct but really in a sense didn't matter what the judge's authority. no way someone would release someone like this on bond before a murder trial. that's not a surprise. i think you're right about that thomas. secondly, it does seem like this is moving along now in the court state system. at the same time, federal authorities are possibly pursue pursuing their own charges to file their own charges. if they did, then they would have to decide the state and federal governments who goes first. the state would certainly argue that it should go first that there's a strong community interest in having this trial in state court. the federal government may have its own views on that and that's something the prosecutors would
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have to work out. and the federal charges could either be the hate crime we have heard about the last couple of days under the relatively new hate crime statute that gives more teeth to the federal government and there even is some discussion of the possibility of pursuing domestic terrorism charges if it turns out that dylann roof was inspired by in some kind of league with or involved with any kind of domestic terror organizations or in essence a lone wolf acting on his own carrying out something inspired by domestic terror groups and something the federal government wants to have and if they file charges, thomas it may simply be that they're kept in reserve. they would be there in case something went wrong with the state prosecution and wasn't successful. >> and pete talk about what it means to have the doj having representatives of the civil rights division on the ground and collecting the evidence for whatever the doj would move
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forward with in terms of federal charges. correct? >> yes. the fbi is working on this case. the bureau of alcohol, tobacco and firearms. the marshal service. two things helping south carolina authorities do their investigation. but they're also gathering evidence, doing interviews on their own. there are two investigations in essence cooperative and in parallel and to some extent independent so that if the feds decide to pursue their own case they have the evidence to do so independently gathered. >> pete williams, thank you, sir. i appreciate that. i'm going to bring now into the conversation charleston state senator larry grooms. thank you for joining me. i really appreciate it. >> sure. >> are you inspired? we have been standing here and waiting and witnessed the singing, they're coming together collectively at the same time this arraignment hearing was going on. >> it shows the best and what's worst in human nature.
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this is the absolute best. we also saw it was absolute worst. and the guy needs to be locked up. he needs to be tried. this needs to be a capital punishment trial. >> when you talk about that talk about the distinction, you know south carolina's one of only five states in the country that have hate crime laws. do you think as we learn more and the confession and what led up to his motivations for coming to mother emanuel and killing nine pillars of this community do you think there might be a policy change? >> there's time for political discussions and discussions about policy and where we go from here as a state. and that time will come. but right now, it needs to be a time where we come together and celebrate what's best about charleston. celebrate what's best about south carolina. there are many divisions out there and people can poke at those divisions. but right now, it's time to dom together and share our love for
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one another. remember those who were here before us and honor their legacy. particularly my friend senator clementa pinckney. he was a member of the democrat party. i'm a conservative republican. there are sometimes we disagreed. but we did so respectfully. many times behind closed doors. no one knew we were disagreeing. but when we were together we did it publicly and we celebrated that. celebrate what brings us together and americans. we should all celebrate the things that unite and not divide us. >> one thing there's division on we talked about a survey earlier today, 49% in the state they support keeping the confederate flag. 49% support seeing it go away. that's a conversation that sparks a lot of controversy. >> it does. >> that comes in to this conversation no matter what we talk about in the celebration and the healing process. that is something that creates a
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chasm. >> the confederacy, the battle flag has been creating controversy for over 150 years. we're not going to solve that issue today but what we can do today is celebrate the life and the legacy of those that were gunned down and mother emanuel right across the street. >> but we did solve the problem of slavery and the flag represents those that fought to keep it in place. >> some would say that. others take a different opinion. and that's why it makes this issue a little bit divisive. not a little bit. it isdy vis dyivisivedivisive. we need to come together as a people and celebrate what we have in common. that's what we need to do today. there's other things to talk about with the politics of the state and south carolina and charleston has a complex history. that's part of the intrigue and folks from around the world want to come to charleston and see what we have. it is hard for those outside
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understand what we have here. we will have those debates and discuss those issues. right now, let's focus on what brings us together. let's celebrate those that can come together and sing and pray and celebrate. >> and again we stand if front of the mother emanuel church where people continue to bring flowers, balloons candles. senator, let me ask you to stick around and bring back into the conversation national urban league president mark morale. you're hearing the senator talking about the uniformity to get through this time of mourning. but there are big policy issues that need to be discussed coming up. they're conversations that can't be avoided. not only on a state but on a federal level. >> it's important, yes, that we focus on celebrating the lives of the great men and women who lost their lives in that tragic hate crime. it's important that we share the pain of the people of charleston and the families and the ame
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church. it's important that we work towards healing. but it's also as important to understand that this was a heinous hate crime, an act of domestic terrorism by a person who stated time and time again his racial animous. his desire to eliminate people because of their race. you can't distance the discussion from the fact that for many americans the confederate flag is a sign of not only division but a sign of an effort to divide america 150 years ago and when i see that flag, i see slavery. i see massive resistance to the racial reconciliation that took place in the 1960s. so that discussion while it might not be at the top of the agenda today is an important
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conversation. secondly, from a policy standpoint, thomas we've got to have a conversation about what real reconciliation and coming together means in this nation. how leaders from all across the nation have to understand that racial divisions and religious divisions are real and by denying their existence it doesn't make them go away. and then i think, thirdly, the difficult conditions of poverty that exist as well as as well as i think the need for us to have another conversation about gun safety and what that means and what changes we may need in our public policy in order to address it so i'm right there with the senator on what we have to do right now. and today. but i do think we can't make short shrift of the decisions.
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they're conversations about the health and vitality of this great nation. >> mark thank you so much mark. senator, i want to thank you for your time and wish you and charleston nothing but the best. tonight there are several vigils held around town. one at 6:00 held at the college of charleston right around the corner from here. we do also want to remind everybody the prosecutor speaking coming up in the next hour and wrap things up for me. i'm thomas roberts reporting live from charleston south carolina. see you back monday. "the cycle" is coming up next. american express for travel and entertainment worldwide.
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church just appeared in court and so for the first time we are hearing that killer's voice. >> mr. roof is charged with nine counts of murder and one count of possession of a weapon during the commission of the crime. what is your age? >> 21. >> you're 21 years. are you employed? >> no, sir. >> you're unemployed that the time? >> yes, sir. >> thank you. >> sources tell nbc news that roof told police he almost didn't go through with it because everyone at the prayer meeting was so nice to him. he prayed alongside the group for nearly an hour. this snapchat video posted by the youngest victim says that they have confirmed with several of sanders' friends appears to show roof at the bible study session sitting quietly. nbc news did not confirm the authenticity of the that video but ro

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