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now, inside south kaur care state house legislators meeting. this just a day after the governor called for it to go. we're going to have reaction from the state house and from emanuel ame in charleston. and we're asking in today's bing pulse question should the confederate flag fly at government buildings? you can weigh in in @pulse.msnbc.com. ahead, the husband of the prison employee arrested in connection with the prison escape. he breaks his silence. we'll hear from lyle mitchell, the husband of joyce mitchell coming up this hour in the exclusive interview with matt lauer. and now we want to get on to the big story today that is what's happening in south kaur care. the major developments on the fate of the confederate flag. right now hundreds of people are gathering feet from where that flag now fly, calling for lawmakers to remove it. they say it's time to get rid of what for decades has been seen
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as a divisive symbol in the state. >> we don't need any more talking. all the points have been made. the governor has spoken. the flag ought to come down. >> so this at the same time lawmakers are prepping to start a special session to pass the stayed budget. they are expected to vote on whether to add the flag issue to the agenda. long time charleston mayor joe riley has led the fight to remove the flag for several years, dating back to 2000. he led a march from columbia to charleston calling for it to be removed from the dome. the flag was moved from the dome to another place on the capitol grounds and he spoke with my colleague andrea mitchell last hour. >> the flag is going to be moved. it's unfortunate that such a horrific tragic event is the reason, but it's going to go. it's going to go in a museum.
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>> nbc's krigcraig melvin has been following this story in columbia south carolina. craig, we can see the flag over your shoulder. this is the point of controversy for so many lawmakers. explain where the issue stands and will it make the agenda in the legislature? >> i'm told that after the lower chamber, after the house dispenses with passing the budget budget, they are going to take this up this afternoon. i'm also told that we could expect, we could expect them to approve it this afternoon but if not, then tomorrow. everyone i've talked to republicans, democrats, many of whom in the past have been opposed to doing anything about the flag they have changed their tune considerably and have done so thomas quickly. i mean we're talking in the span of six days. keep in mind the flag that's flying behind me the confederate battle flag it was hoisted in 1962. it was hoisted as a thumb in the eye to a federal government that
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was pushing desegregation. it was lowered in 2000 lowered from the dome to where it stands right now in 2000. and at that point, everyone thought that was where that flag was going to fly for the foreseeable future because it had taken so long to eastbound get it there. and then all of a sudden last wednesday i'm told within 24 hours after it was revealed that the shooter was someone who practically worshipped the confederate flag that's when the conversation started, between first lawmakers who went to the governor and the governor apparently told them that this was something that she had already started talking to her staff about, and the wheels were set in motion early thursday early thursday afternoon i'm told. the lower chamber will take it up. then the senate will be have to act on whatever the lower
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chamber decides. the senate will not be in session this friday. that is when reverend clementa pinckney will be laid to rest in charleston. that puts us into next week. i'm told if the senate does not act swiftly next week if they go home without this being resolved, the governor is going to call them back for a special session. the timetable we're hearing is some time early august sometime near the beginning of august for the confederate flag to come down and be placed in some sort of museum. also, thomas we should tell you a short time ago, within the past 15 or 20 minutes, we heard from nascar. nascar of course i don't know if you've ever been to a race. if you go to a nascar race that is one place in the past where you have seen lots of confederate battle flags. nascar releasing a statement a short time ago saying that it agrees with the governor's call to bring down the confederate battle flag. walmart, as you know late last night, deciding that they would no longer carry confederate flag -- confederate battle flag
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items in their stores or online. the state of mississippi late last night, the house speaker there saying that leaders who worked to take the confederate flag emblem off the state flag as well. so this appears to be the beginning, not end, of a conversation about whether that flag means heritage or hate thomas. >> really is a tetonic shift since the church shooting. craig, we'll come back to you in a short period of time. as we continue to watch what's happening in south carolina at the state house people on both sides of the confederate flag debate are speaking out about it. >> if the flag were hanging at like for instance your house or my house, then that's the right of the individual. but when you have a flag in such a monumental location that representation is sometimes in a negative way, i think. >> sometimes you make a quick decision and then later on think, well, should i have done that, you know should we have done that as a country, should we have taken that flag down
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because it's still a flag. it's still a flag, you know that is a part of history. even though you take it down it's not going to erase that flag. >> want to check in with my colleague francis rivera who has our bing pulse question of the day. >> interesting to hear from people there, now interesting to hear from our viewers as we ask our bing pulse question today. should the confederate flag fly at government buildings p weapon just launched this bing question at the top of the hour and this is how you're voting so far. 35% of you say, yes. 65% of you believe no. that number just went up a point. they believe, no that the confederate flag should not fly at government buildings. we invite you as you continue on with your coverage today to keep voting. we will watch this closely and see how this changes at all of it. if it flip-flops and how it modifies according to the discussion that we're going to have in the next two showers. breaking developments. nbc news can confirm that dylann roof who was the alleged shooter
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at the mother emanuel church bought the semi automatic handgun he used in the shooting in a gun store 25 miles from his home. law enforcement officials say the transaction was entirely legal despite a pending drug charge for roof. roof bought a .45 caliber glock handgun on april 11th. roof's friends have told nbc news he used money give thenn to him by his parents as a birthday present to purchase this. again, dylann roof buying the handgun he used in last week's church shooting at a gun shop 25 miles from his home. it was purchased on april 11th. that is just eight days after he turned 21. virginia governor terry mcauliffe announced the state will begin the process of removing the confederate flag from license plates. you can see the sample here. the governor says the flag is divisive. he has asked the attorney general's office to take steps to reverse a court ruling that
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requires the confederate flag be placed on state license plates. new details today about the woman police have charge with supplying tools to two men who escaped from a maximum security prison. joyce myitchell helped them break out of the clinton correctional facility in upstate new york. she has pleaded not guilty. but her husband lyle is cooperating with police and is not accuse of any wrong doing. in an exclusive interview with nbc news lyle discusses not only his wife's alleged role in the prison break but also how his own life was in danger. >> she said i got something else to tell you. i said what's that? she said their plan was they want to kill you. i said what? they wanted her to come pick them up. and then she told me he started threatening with her and inside the facilities was going to do something to harm me or threaten me or kill me or somebody inside the jail if she didn't stay with us. >> more on the interview and the hunt for the two prisoners,
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nbc's adam riess in owls head, new york with late esthertory where leads have taken investigators. what have we learned from the interview and what's the latest on the whereabouts of matt and sweat? >> thomas good afternoon. this could be their best lead yet. they want to take advantage of it. they want to make sure these guys don't escape the dragnet they have in place here. we're in the adirondack mountains. it's a vast open space. i just talked to the sheriff just minutes ago. he described to me the cabin where they allegedly found the dna. very small hunting cabin. it might have a table. it might have a kitchenette. it might have a bed but it's not a place where people would stay for more than a day or two. they're still going with the original theory these guys are together, they're on foot where in this dense wooded area. dense woods, swampy land. there are animal ticks. all kinds of different bugs. very unforgiving conditions. nbc spoke to a friend of the man who owns that cabin. here's what he had to say.
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>> went inside and there was a jug of water on the kitchen table. which is never there. something they don't use. >> what about the peanut butter? >> open jar of peanut butter. >> right on the table? >> on the table. >> now, they're tired, they're wet and hungry and cold. that's what we can expect. they've got nothing to lose. they certainly don't want to get caught and get sent back to prison. so that means they're desperate and, thomas probably even more dangerous today. >> we can only imagine as this hunt stretching into three weeks. msnbc's adam riess. coming up later you're going to hear more from matt lauer's exclusive with lyle mitchell. including whether his wife had a sexual relationship with the prisoners that has been widely alleged. at least 13 tornadoes swept across the midwest overnight. kansas iowa michigan illinois, they were all effected. storm chasers captured one of the tornados in illinois city. the twister whipped up debris brought down power lines. look at this video from sterling illinois. sheer force of the winds that
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passed through that area the winds are being blamed for bringing down a wall and tearing the roof off this local mall. about 30 miles south in illinois five injured campers were rescued after being trapped at their campsite. >> once the sirens came on we took off to the conference it was almost like a train. it felt all the wind coming through the windows and everything. trailers on top of trailers. flipped over. totally destroyed. >> okay. so currently the governor ordered the deployment of an 80-member search and rescue team for all the effected areas. >> we're very fortunate that the storm hit on a monday when that camp ground was not full on a busy weekend that can hold as many as 30,000 people. one of our biggest concerns is because many of those folks are traveling, they're from remote areas, from out of town. the fact there could be a person there trapped that would not be
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reported. and we've got a make sure that there is a thorough search. >> nbc's kevin tibles joins me now live from coal city where the governor just spoke. kevin, the governor makes a great point there about the out of towners who may not have access to participate who are looking for them or know what to do in case of this emergency. >> well, absolutely, thomas. that's the case at the camp ground. they are doing a thorough search in that area. what's interesting is fact that the point of one of the earlier people in the interview said was that they heard the sirens and they took shelter. that is exactly what happened here in coal city. as you can see around me these houses are about 10 12 years old. a lot of them have had the roofs ripped off and everything. this retention pond is now absolutely full because of the fact that we've had so much rain here last night. but that's the real key point. the point is is that the people heard the warnings and that they heeded those warnings. you know there was another tornado in this area about two years ago. well, when they heard the sirens
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last night, the people that we have spoken to said they gathered their families together and they went into the basement. that was the absolute correct thing to do because the police here yesterday rescued at least five people from the basements of their homes. there were only minor injuries. there were no fatalities here in coal city. as you can see, anyone staying upstairs in any of these homes, they didn't really have much of a chance. those people who went down into the basement huddled together with their families. we talked to mothers who had pillows and blankets around their kids. they rode this thing out but they all survived because they heeded the tornado warnings. thomas? >> such a major contrast when we look at the blue sky and green grass and the destruction from the system that came through. kevin, thank you. nbc meteorologist domenica davis is here tracking the storms. let's talk about the severe weather and who is going to be impacted? >> the northeast corridor. two watch boxes. one from boston down through
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long island. that goes until 4:00. the more important one, i say more important because we're starting to see storms fire up is west of new york down through philadelphia. now, this one will go until 7:00 tonight. we are already starting to see some strong storms out to our west. so this is a batch coming out of the state college area. we have seen wind gusts upwards of 65 to 75 miles per hour. so this batch will continue off to the east and that will start to hit philadelphia area and parts of new york within the next couple of hours. so here's a look at that enhanced risk for today. 45 million people are in that go ir. damaging winds will be the biggest threat. can't rule out a tornado or two. and here's the problem. this is cold front. we're waiting for this front to come through over the next several hours. this is more of an afternoon, early evening event by 8:00 9:00 all the storms will be out of here. but in the meantime in the next few hour definitely a good idea to keep an eye to the sky. thomas? >> demin a, thanks so much.
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this really is the big story today. we are taking a look at south carolina and lawmakers are beginning a special session on the state budget. but the big question remains will they actually act on the request of governor nikki haley. the call to remove the confederate flag from the state capitol grounds. joining me outside the state house and columbia, south carolina, is state representative mea mccleod.
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first, walk us through the process because it seems like there were a lot of obstacles baked in 15 years ago to get the flag off the capitol dome and in the position we see over your shoulder now. >> right. there was. and the so-called compromise of course wasn't really a compromise at all. but today we do have a meaningful opportunity to bring about change and make history in this state. >> so when you talk about a meaningful opportunity, walk us through exactly what needs to happen, the hurdles from your colleagues in state legislature to make sure that this happens. >> well, at this point i'm not exactly sure about my colleagues who may not be supportive of the effort. i do know that there is of course, a ground swell of support after the shooting of our colleague our eight other
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precious lives in charleston last week. so today, we can amend the resolution or we can take some other measures to actually bring about the change that the governor referenced yesterday. and not have to come back into session. i'm hoping that that is what we will do. >> representative legislation in 2000, again, when the flag was moved from the dome and in the position that we see on the flagpole just over your left shoulder, there was a mandate put in that only a supermajority of the state's general assembly could remove the flag from the grounds. so when you're talking privately in the halls of the state capitol and you're hearing from people, do you think that the will is there to get this done? >> i do. i do think that the will is finally there to get it done. you know of course there are colleagues in the house and in the senate who believe that the
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confederate flag is about heritage m and not hate. we all know better than that now. and charleston is a grim reminder of that reality. so hopefully there is enough support today, more -- i'm praying for more than a two-thirds majority of support. >> certainly the eyes of the country watching every move that you guys are making there in columbia and state representative mia mcleod, thank you for taking time out of your busy day. coming up we're going to talk about fashion hazards. you're going to find out which items in your closet really this is true could be dangerous to your health.
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and klansman, it's also the cruel joke that goes unchallenged, it's the offhand comment about not wanting those people in the neighborhood. >> that is hillary clinton on saturday addressing the topic of race relations in america before a forum of u.s. mayors. she's going to continue to pound that topic today. before church in missouri just a short drive away from ferguson which saw protests we all recall last year over police community relations in the wake of the shooting death of michael brown. msnbc's alex is joining me now from missouri. alex, this appears to be one area where the clinton campaign is trying to highlight the differences. with her potential gop opponent. do you have any breakdown on how deep she's going to be discussing this today? >> absolutely thomas. clinton leaning way in on race at the same time that republicans are graping with the confederate flag. she's first going to be meeting with local elected officials in a private meeting about an hour before her main event. her main event will be hosted by
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two pastors. one tracey blackman the pastor of this church behind me here has been very involved in dealing with race relations after ferguson. the other is a pastor in the ame church, the same denominations mt. church shot up in charleston. campaign officials at the time me it was hillary clinton's idea to do this. she had fund-raiser scheduled in st. louis and she wanted to meet with local officials here. she will be discussing race she will be discussing the confederate flag reiterating her call that it should be taken down. and she will be building on comments that she made twice before in the past five days. first on saturday and then again on thursday thomas. >> alex let's give this to everybody. we have this new nbc news/"wall street journal" poll. in it clinton is beating her rivals by 8 and 1 points. if mobilizing black voters is important in this election it seems as if it is very important to the prospects of hillary clinton for 2016 because it works so well for president
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obama in 2008 and then again in 2012. >> absolutely thomas. crucial for hillary clinton to energize black voters get them to the polls. if she makes it to november 2016. that's why she's talking about voting rights. that's why she's talking about criminal justice reform. that's why she's doing events like this one today. interesting note, in that poll barack obama's approval rating among black voters 86%, hillary clinton's 81%. so not that far behind barack obama. also important in the democratic primary, too, even closer bernie sanders comes from a state that's t 5% white. martin o'malley has baggage with black voters after the baltimore unrest. this is a place she can build a firewall in south carolina where black voters are a huge part of the democratic vote there. so she's trying to lock in that vote as early as possible. >> msnbc's alex report rging for us there. breaking details on the gun police say that alleged shooter dylann roof used in the
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charleston massacre we and how he was able to purchase it. where did the money come from? plus president obama is headed to south carolina on friday to eulogize mother emanuel's late reverend clementa pinckney. we'll get the latest details about his trip from the white house. still ahead on day 18 for the manhunt for two escaped prisoners. more on matt lauer's exclusive interview with the man whose wife is accuse of playing a pivotal role in their escape. >> she said i've got something else to tell you. i said what's that? she said their plan was they want to kill you. i said what? they wanted her to come pick them up.nc of heart health. you watch your diet, excercise... and may take an omega-3 supplement, such as fish oil. but when it comes to omega-3s, it's the epa and dha that really matter for heart health. not all omega-3 supplements are the same. introducing bayer pro ultra omega-3 from the heart health experts at bayer. with two times the concentration of epa and dha as the leading omega-3 supplement. plus, it's the only brand with progel
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legal despite the pending drug charge on roof's file. the officials say that roof bought a .45 caliber glock handgun on april 11th, eight days after he turned 21. roof's friends have told nbc news he used money that was given to him by his parents as a birthday gift to buy that weapon. we also know that president obama, mrs. obama, vice president biden will travel to charleston on friday. they will attend the funeral of state senator and pastor of emanuel ame, reverend clementa pinckney. pinckney is one of the nine people shot in the tranl difficulttragedy last week. president obama knew the pastor personally and will be delivering the eulogy. kasie hunt is now live at the white house with more. kasie, explain the decision for the president to travel there, also with the vice president and fact that he's going to be there with the victim's families and delivering the reverend's eulogy.
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>> well, thomas, i think you've seen over the course of the last couple of days how personal this is for president obama and that's a reflection here in his travel plans. this service is going to be on friday at 11:00 at the college of charleston. they're expecting a pretty significant crowd to come out and mourn this man and to also celebrate his life. as you said, the president did know clementa pinckney. he met him when he was campaigning for the democratic nomination for president, according to white house aides. vice president biden also knew him and biden had seen him more recently at a prayer breakfast in charleston. this is going to be the president's first visit back to charleston since he was campaigning for the nomination back in 2007. so a sad occasion to have to return, but of course you will see the president take on that role of eulogist in chief. >> the college of charleston just right around the corning. msnbc's kasie hunt at the white house for us. thanks so much. want to go to nbc's charles
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hadlock live for us. how are people in the community responding to the plans that the president and the vice president will be there and the president eulogizing the reverend? >> right. well, obviously members of mother emanuel church are honored to have the president and vice president here on friday. but they wish it were under better circumstances. the first of the nine funerals here begins on thursday. reverend pinckney's service is on friday after his body lies in state at the state capitol in columbia just up the road. here behind me at the church a line of people continues to place a makeshift memorial in front of the church. it continues to grow. people, both black and white coming to pay their respects not only to the church but to the victims and the nine families who are mourning the loss of their loved ones at this hour. thomas? >> charles, how are people reacting to the governor and calls from other state lawmakers about the removal of the flag,
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the confederate flag at the state capitol? >> certainly everyone here it's top of mind. the media is keeping it focus, the politicians and the activists are keeping it focused here. a lot of people have opinions about it. here's what some of them have to say. >> for me the confederate flag is a symbol of institutional racism. it's a powerful memoir of a dark time in american history. >> we have our flag, they have their flag. you know it doesn't mean anything to me. you know it doesn't. >> some of the thoughts on the streets of charleston today. thomas? >> charles quickly, another statue was vandalized in charleston? >> yes, the john calhoun memorial. john calhoun was a former state politician. he was also a representative in congress.
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also a senator. and served as vice president. he has a statue a few blocks from here. someone scribbled the name "racist "racist" across the bottom of it. it was quickly cleaned up. it happened continuously over a few nights here. and the memorial of the defenders of the charleston area during the civil war, that memorial was also vandalized and also is in the process of being cleaned up. >> interesting, too, your position is right on calhoun, calhoun street there where mother emanuel is built. nbc's charles hadlock. francis is back now with a look of what needs to happen for the flag to be taken down. >> at high benchmark. we start with a two-thirds majority here when it comes to the state legislature that must approve the flag's removal for it to happen. let's breakdown the voting with help from our friends with "the washington post." let's start with the state legislature that would need a vote like this for the flag to be taken down.
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take a look. there are 124 members of the house. 45 members of the senate. in the house, 83 votes are actually needed for that. and as far as the senate goes 30 votes are required for that to happen. keep in mind the state is down one member due to the shooting death of senator clementa pinckney. so now we look at the breakdown when it comes to race here. and because it's a race so closely involves race, let's look at that in the legislature. each silhouette here represents five members of the south carolina state house. you can see the breakdown. there are 27 black democrats and 19 white democrats. the big difference here are the gops. 77 are white with only 1 house republican being black. and now a look at the south carolina state senate. remember again, each silhouette here represents five members of the state senate. so it has ten black and seven white democrats. on the republican side though there are 28 white republicans and there are no black republicans. now, unity is what's required
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here for the confederate flag to be taken down here. and out of the whole legislatures here 50 republicans would be needed as far as that vote there. so -- as far as white members here, we see the breakdown of that in the south carolina state house. that is 75 that would be needed to vote in favor. so we break that down even more thomas. eight members of the state house said they would vote no. according to the post and courier, these guys here james berns, bill chumley, christopher corley now to mike gambrill jonathan hill mike pitts. we will ultimately see what happens when the state legislature votes. of course that brings us to our bing pulse question we're involving you and asking you this question. should the confederate flag fly at government buildings? and this is how we're looking so far since we last checked in with you. previously this was 67 said yes. look how that has dropped. 8% now with a voting that's just
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happened. and 92%, no. i think that's probably one of the most overwhelming jumps we've seen especially when it comes to realtime and you see how consistently people are voting here. >> wow. >> as far as jumping up to 90% no. look at that. the people that vote consistently no. and also interesting to look at political party. we're seeing and look at this, democrats symbolize there in blue. no republicans voted. some independents spiking up to yes. overall the group that's been voting a strong no are the republicans. that's been steady since we started tracking at 1:05 eastern time. we will continue to do that and invite you to vote pulse.msnbc.com. >> we will talk about coming up shortly. and still ahead, his wife is behind bars charge with supplying tools to two escaped murderers. they're still on the loose. when we come back lyle mitchell telling his side of the story. and still ahead in the next hour nbc news investigation into a lawsuit filed by flight attendants and the fumes inside some cabins they say make them
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dude totino's blasted rolls. sweet. totino's blasted crust rolls... yeah. flavor at full blast it's a story we've been covering for a while now. the prison break out of the clinton correctional facility. a lot of unanswered questions about what happened there and how this involves joyce mitchell. she's the prison worker charged
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on two counts of supplying tools to the convicted murders who escaped. mitchell pleaded not guilty but there have always been questions about the nature of the relationship between mitchell and the two escapees. her husband, lyle mitchell has not been charged. and is cooperating with police in an exclusive interview with nbc's matt lauer, lyle was asked about his wife's relationship with richard matt and david sweat. >> there have been reports that your wife fell in love with one of these inmates, richard matt. >> she didn't know if i loved her anymore, she said. i he said they give her a little attention, she said and it just -- it went too far. he tried to kiss her a couple of times. she said no. and she said that's when he started threatening her a little bit on things. >> one of the other headline lyle that came out was that your wife joyce had had a sexual relationship with one or both of these inmates. >> absolutely not. >> did you ask her point blank that question? >> she swore on her son's life i
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never ever had sex with him. >> this is where it's a tough story, as you well know. >> yes. >> because it's almost more believable for her to try to help two guys escape if she's in love with one of them. it's hard to believe if there were not an emotional attachment. >> she told me that she was -- matt was giving her attention and stuff and she did not believe i loved her anymore. >> when she keeps bringing up that she didn't believe you loved her anymore, that is -- it does sound like a woman who was looking for love elsewhere. >> yes. yes. >> and you don't think she found that love with richard matt? >> no. >> he sounds like a guy who spent a lot of time getting close to your wife. >> yes. >> is it your contention and her contention that he manipulated her to the point where she did the things she did? >> i believe so. >> fascinating interview there. and jeffrey ian ross is a
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criminologist at the university of baltimore. professor ross it's great to have you with me. hearing this interview, it was a fascinating look inside the mitchell's marriage and what joyce mitchell thought was happening, at least from the perspective of lyle. you know how prisons work. do you think the story that lyle is telling in the words of joyce about the relationship and these two men, is it even possible that he understands the full scale of their relationships? >> i think she understands what his wife told him. and it does appear like he's trying to protect her. but i'm not sure we know the whole story. and if and when we do arrest both matt and sweat and they are witnesses for the trial of joyce mitchell, we may get a better sense of the complex relationship between her and
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them. >> here's a woman that put evening on the line for these two guys and is now being dragged through the proverbial mud, so to speak in the allegations about whether or not she did have inappropriate sexual relationships with one or both men putting her marriage in the spotlight, her husband potentially in the path of two murderers. but if someone was going to work like this and smuggle contraband to two men in a maximum security prison, how easy is it to do from your understanding? >> it all depends if you can exploit the weaknesses in the system in terms of going through those security checks being able to hide the contraband in your purse. you know it depends. she may understand as do the inmates those weaknesses so that they -- she can bring in those objects. all we know right now is that her husband said she brought in a chisel and some hacksaws but
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these individuals had access to some pretty sophisticated power tools. now, the clinton county prosecutor said that joyce had no involvement in smuggling in power tools, so how did they getting access to those power tools? was it from a different contractor? so the. situation is very very complex and i wouldn't be surprised if there were more people involved in this entire prison escape. >> we wait to see if more suspects are going to be coming to the surface as the hunt for these two goes on. thanks for your time. >> my pleasure. still ahead in the next hour with all eyes on the confederate flag other confederate symbols are also getting attention. and you might just be surprised how many there are and where they're located. francis is going to be back with a breakdown for us. and then get this dangerous dental. why your favorite pair of jeans, the favorite ones could be a hazard to your health. behold, these are two wind turbines.
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not politics. who could reach want to take you inside the state capitol in south carolina where members of the legislators with speaking of the reverend clementa pinckney. >> all of us have suffered a great loss. whether you knew him personally or not. because what he hadded to the discourse of this body this legislature, in the senate as well as his time here in the house, was compassion. passion. love. respect. and while some may look at those terms and dismiss them i don't. because you don't see a lot of that today. >> and just moments ago, it was inside this chamber that we heard cheers because inside the state house the measure passed to remove the confederate flag
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from the capitol grounds. >> vote of 103 to 10 resolution is adopted and will be sent to the senate. [ applause ] all right. house -- >> we can see there people stand standing up and applauding. it is moving on to the senate side of the house. that is where reverend clementa pinckney actually served as a state senator, long time politician there in charleston. but also long-time reverend at mother emanuel church but so many people there in power inspired by the injustice allegedly at the hands of dylann roof and they're speaking out boldly about having the confederate flag removed from
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the capitol grounds. sean diddy combs arrested in l.a. and charged with assault with a dead by weapon. police say he was involved in an incident at the ucla athletic complex. this will be assault allegedly involved a kettleball. you know those things the big, big, big things. anyway exercise balls with a handle. there they are. since i don't know how to describe them. police say no one was seriously hurt. combs' son justin plays ball for ucla. combs is free on bail and so far there's been no comment from him so far. okay. so on a different note we were telling you about the health of your clothes and there's a certain concern that women should have as they look good in the name of fashion and some might not be good for their health. the latest item in question -- jeans. tamron hall has more. >> reporter: could doing this or this land you in the emergency room? a 35-year-old australian women
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reportedly learned the hard way the potential dangers of denim. she told a doctor she wore skinny jeans helping a relative move and that after several hours, she collapsed losing all feeling in her legs. she was rushed to the emergency room. her doctor tells nbc news she had to be cut out of her jeans. they found muscle and nerve damage and hooked her up to an iv drip for four days. neurologist thomas kimber said quote, we believe it was the combination of squatting and tight jeans that caused the problems. squatting would have compressed the nerves in the lower leg and reduced the blood supply to the calf muscles. though rare some experts say the potential danger of skinny jeans can be very real. >> many people wear skinny jeans and don't encounter any problems. if you are exercising to an extreme and certainly expanding the calf muscles with many squats in a row and a tight-fitting garment that
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doesn't allow them to expand you could potentially develop what happened with her which was very serious. >> reporter: bad news for some. skinny jeans have been a fashion favorite for more than a decade even royalty love skinny jeans. duchess kate wore skinny weeks six weeks after giving birth. and skinny jeans aren't the only type of fashion that could cause you pain. there's also shapewear that cinches inches. celebrities can't get enough of it. but will the public buy into it? >> let's face it. there will always be a little bit of suffering for fashion. so uncomfortable clothing can be viewed as a status symbol. at a party in the dead of winter and a woman is bare legged and five-inch stiletto heel there's an idea she didn't walk to the party. >> >> reporter: earrings may cause damage to the ear lobes and sky-high heels that could make you keel over.
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a recent study shows ss high heel related injuries doubled from 2002 to 2012 but before you're convinced, just remember. >> fashion is wonderful but you really need to listen to your body's signals. if anything is causing you pain or discomfort you really want to limit it or stop it altogether. >> and our thanks to tamron hall for that report. much more on the top stories at the top of the hour including a debate over the confederate flag and we just had movement moments ago, lawmakers meeting at the south carolina state house and they did vote to pass the resolution out of the house and move it on to the senate. their goal -- remove the confederate flag from the capitol grounds. we're back with more. ife. but that hasn't stopped me from modeling. my doctor told me about stelara® it helps keep my skin clearer. with only 4 doses a year after 2 starter doses... ...stelara® helps me be in season. stelara® may lower your ability to fight infections and increase your risk of infections. some serious infections require hospitalization.
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from the state house and from mother emanuel in charleston. we are asking in today's bing pulse question should the confederate flag fly at government buildings? weigh in. have your voice heard. also ahead, the husband of the prison employee charged with giving tools to escaped killers breaks his silence. >> can you describe how this has turned your life upside down? >> one day 100%. everybody happy and then the next day this. what happened? >> we're going to have more of this eye opening interview and fast-moving developments in the search for the two escapees. the search now centered around the cabin where dna for one if not both of the men was found. a tornado outbreak in the midwest. the northeast next. in this storm system's path. the threat biggest this afternoon. we'll break down who's affected most. hi, everybody. i'm thomas roberts. we want to take you directly to south carolina where the calls to remove the confederate flag
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from the state capitol grounds are gaining momentum. calls getting louder. this was the scene about an hour ago. hundreds of people urging lawmakers to take action immediately and remove a symbol some say represents hate. >> the time is now. one last time take it down. take it down. take it down. take it down. take it down. >> so today's rally comes on the heels of governor nikki haley's comments yesterday joining a group of state leaders urging lawmakers to remove the flag and moments ago in the last hour state lawmakers in town for a special session about the state's budget proposed a measure that would allow them to consider removing the confederate flag. >> 103-10. the resolution is adopted and will be sent to the senate. [ applause ]
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all right. house -- >> we see some members of the house standing there. it moves on to the senate where they're one member short after the assassination of state senator clementa pinckney. i want to bring in now to the conversation reverend nelson b. rivers iii and the vice president of the national action network. reverend thanks for being here. what is your reaction to knowing that the resolution has moved on from the house and will go on to the senate? >> hallelujah. it's amazing. it's outstanding. it's incredible. i can't hardly believe it. i have to pinch myself to ask is this south carolina? is this the capitol? i was in the senate when i came over to talk to you. i lnled to the son of strom thurman speak eloquently and pow powerfully about why this has to be done today and why we can't stop here. it was an emotional moment. several of us from the national action network were there
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witnessing and then we got an alert that the house already passed the resolution to continue the discussion and now be able to take up the debate on bringing the flag down. we'll continue to be vigilant but it is an amazing day in the state of south carolina. >> as you look over your left shoulder and see that flag waving there in front of the capitol, and in front of the dome itself and you know that there are members of the state legislature who would like to see it remain what is your talking point to convince them or the feeling, the emotion that you would use to convey to them why you feel so strongly about its removal? >> because now's the time. the flag does not represent all of south carolinans and means to us hate and those that tell us it means heritage we respond by your heritage is hate because the flag was able to keep folk in slavery, human bondage.
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senator thurman, senator thurman's son senator thurman said powerfully a few moments ago why that was unacceptable. he said he can't imagine why a sen ses or thes wanted to fight a war to keep human bondage. that is our feeling exactly. why would you want to argue any symbol that celebrates human bondage is a symbol of honor anywhere for anyone but put that aside f. you want to do it do it at your house, bedroom, in your car. but at the house of the people as the governor said yesterday, this is the house of all the people of south carolina. flies in front of it should represent all of us and not some of us. i'm so proud of the house because at least they decided to take up the debate. voting number tells us to be on the verge of making history today. i listened to senator thurman. i watched marlin kempson. the feeling almost overwhelming because his name means so much in the state. much of it bad. today it means so much more.
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>> reverend rivers iii, sir, thank you for taking time for me. we continue to follow the resolution making movement passing from the house and moving to the senate. thanks again. we have breaking developments into the investigation about the mother emanuel shooting and the weapon of dylann roof. law enforcement officials telling nbc news he bought the semiautomatic handgun in the shooting at a store 25 miles from his home. joining me now on the phone in south carolina nbc news correspondent mark potter. so mark what more have we learned from law enforcement officials about this purchase? >> reporter: hey, thomas. the law enforcement sources telling nbc news that dylann roof, the 21-year-old accused shooter from the charleston massacre bought his handgun at a place called shooter's choice. in west columbia south carolina. he bought the .45 caliber glock on april 11th. friends told us he used money
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given to him by his family for the birthday for this purchase and officials say that the sale was completely legal. even though roof had been arrested earlier that year on misdemeanor drug charge. had it been a felony he could not have bought the weapon but because it was a misdemeanor, the sale was legally allowed to go through. officials have told us that roof filled out the proper paperwork. in terms of paperwork and a cooling off period. a man identifying himself as a manager of the store asking for comments said that he could not talk about the matter but said that we do not give out our customer information. that's a quote. so again, now the gun used by dylann roof in the charleston shooting was purchased at a west columbia gun store called shooter's choice and officials are telling us at nbc news that that sale was legal. thomas? >> mark, this dispels the rumor
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that originally came out and makes connection to the birthday and there had been talk of the fact his dad had given him that gun for his 21st birthday. i know you went to -- >> reporter: absolutely. >> you went to the home of the father and didn't get an opportunity to speak to him. that was the original story, right? >> reporter: that was the story and that was my intent going to the house asking for clarification on that but it came up pretty quickly that that original account which came from the boy's uncle initially was not true. said that the money came from the family and law enforcement officials all who originally also said that came from the dad corroborated himself and corroborated the account that it -- the purchase was done by dylann roof himself. his father was not involved that sale. was not involved. >> okay. nbc news's mark potter thank you. we have new details in the manhunt story.
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this is about joyce mitchell the woman that police charged with supplying tools to the two men who escaped from the clinton correctional facility. that's a maximum security prison. joyce mitchell, the prison worker authorities say helped them break out. and this all happening in upstate new york. she's pleaded not guilty and it's her husband lyle cooperating with police. he's not accused of any wrongdoing and speaking out and did so in an exclusive interview with nbc news. lyle mitchell discussing not only his wife's alleged role in the prison break and how his own life was in danger. >> i have something else to tell you. i said whenat's that? she said their plan was they wanted to kill you. i said what? they wanted her to come pick them up and then she said he was threatening her with somebody in the facilities to threaten or harm me or kill me or outside the jail if she didn't stay with this. >> with more we're joined by
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msnbc's adam reiss in owl's head, new york the latest area where investigators swarming looking for the two. what did we learn from the interview, more insight into the relationship of the mitchells, for sure. but also did we learn anything about the possible whereabouts that he might be privy to joyce might have told him anything for where matt and sweat are going? >> reporter: officials here believe the dna find found over the weekend is the best lead they have so far. they want to take advantage of it. they want to make sure that the dragnet here in place is secure enough. not able to leave the area. they're still going with the same theory they're together on foot somewhere in the dense woods. unforgiving woods of the adirondacks. swampland. there are bugs ticks, animals, bears. i spoke to the sheriff here franklin county just a short time ago. let him explain what the woods are like here. >> in the actual forest itself
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it's just dense. you have to step over dead material. there's a lot of underbrush. there's just -- it's not easily passable. which, you know, a lot of times leads us to believe or if they're in this area using atv trails and the old railroad bed and the power lines and whatnot. it's much easier to traverse and very difficult. even for the animals that live here it's difficult country to get through. >> reporter: now, they're tired, wet and hungry and cold and pouring here for a number of days. they're desperate to stay out. they certainly don't want to go back to jail an makes them even more dangerous. thomas? >> adam reiss reporting for us. thank you. joining us now is lenny depaul. good to have you with us. seems fascinating to hear firsthand the account of lyle mitchell. i want to play for everybody, here's mitchell being asked about how his wife described the relationship with matt and sweat. >> there have been reports that your wife fell in love with one
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of these inmates, richard matt. >> she didn't know if i loved her anymore, she said. they give her a little attention. she said. and just -- it went too far. he tried to kiss her a couple times and she said, no. she said and that's where he started to threaten her a little bit on things. >> lenny, based on that information at least what lyle mitch sell putting out there, what kind of questions would you have for joyce mitchell about the relationship she had individually with these two guys? >> well yeah i'm sure law enforcement has, you know the answers to the questions, you know, that you're speaking of. lyle seems to be very truthful. they saw the vulnerability in here and used her every way they could, you know, with respect to the alleged tools that were brought in and now this frozen meat is in play that were tools snuck in that way. yeah, they certainly used her any way, you know they could. my questions for her would be you know i'd start off by saying, listen i probably know
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the answers to the questions i'm about to ask you and be truthful with me and continue from there. >> mitchell had a panic attack when those two guys were -- when they made the plan to pop up out of the manhole and for her to be the getaway car and she was in the hospital and didn't go with it. lyle mitchell says he feels she would be dead if she was the getaway driver. an officer at that prison on administrateive leave not charged or named a suspect in this case. do you think they're that good or they're just getting lucky at this point? >> yeah. i don't want to give them too much credit. i mean if joyce mitchell was their escape plan i find that hard to believe. i think that she was more of a red herring and there was someone else involved possibly. but fast forward to this past saturday with this cabin owner or hunter finding, seeing somebody run out of the back of the cabin and now dna's coming
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back positive for both of these guys. you know? that's a home run for law enforcement. that's a game changer right there. so you know with respect to joyce mitchell and what she has responded to in her questioning, you know they're connecting the dots and lyle also says that you know, she didn't want to pick them up. so they probably felt that she wasn't going to show anyway. so interesting to see what happens afterward on what their plan "b" was. >> okay. lenny, thanks so much. we'll be talking again as the escaped -- the manhunt for these guys goes on and week three now. at least 13 tornadoes in the midwest overnight. kansas michigan illinois awe affected. storm chasers captured one in illinois city. it whipped up debris. brought down power lines. look at this video of sterling illinois. the sheer force of the winds. they're blamed for bringing down a wall and tearing the roof off this local mall. and about 30 miles south, in
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sublet illinois five injured campers rescued after being trapped at a camp site. >> once the sirens came on we took off the comforter. it was like a train. i mean you felt all the wind coming through the windows and everything. >> yep. >> the trailer's on top of trailers. flipped over. totally destroyed. >> so the governor is ordered the deployment of an 80-member search and rescue team to find people who may still be trapped. northeast now in the path of the dangerous weather. msnbc meteorologist dominica davis is here with that forecast. this is no way to start the official start of summer. day two. right? >> yes. hot and humid out there and ripe for storms. right now we're tracking the storms pretty good storms over the pittsburgh area pushing into harrisburg and allentown. that's the main focus and the storms are packing winds over 60 miles per hour. we have seen a lot of downed
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trees with this. this line's going to continue pushing off to the east. new york city, down through philadelphia you're all under the gun. this is all along and ahead of a cold front and here's how it times out. note the time at 3:00. we're starting to see those storms fire up around the philadelphia area and through the new york area. and even down through d.c. this is very much over the next couple of hours as this front comes through. the storms will be there. the good thing is it's pretty much wrapped up by 7:00 8:00 tonight and could see the lingering storms in the hartford area. the severe weather off to the coast. by about roughly between 7:00 and 9:00 tonight. now, tornado threat is there. it is a slight threat but we can't rule out the possibility of some rotation with these storms. especially from hartford down through new york city. about a 5% chance thomas right now the history of these storms that we have been seeing through central pennsylvania mainly straight-line winds which are still very serious but, again,
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that possibility for tornadoes is there, unfortunately. >> dominica davis, thanks. appreciate that. we'll be checking back with you as we track that wild weather. up next, back to south carolina. the pressure building on legislators to remove the confederate flag from outside the state house. i'm going to get reaction of the president and ceo of the national urban league. plus following this story. out of los angeles. sean diddy combs arrested accused of assaulting his son's football coach. the alleged weapon a kettlebell. also ahead, toxic fumes in airplanes. the claim made by flight attendants. nbc news investigates coming up.
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for years and years, you know people fought people died for every flag that flies in this country. why does this one stand out and make a difference? >> okay. history's good. put in it a museum. nothing wrong with it. we have confederate museums here. >> he says he has no hate in his heart. >> i have none in mine. >> so another statue is vandalized in downtown charleston amid the confederate flag debate. workers are scrubbing off the calhoun statue after it was spray painted with the words like, quote, racist. no arrests made yet. other statues getting attention of their own. on capitol hill. francis is here to explain why. this is a larger debate than taking place in columbia south carolina. >> the flag is getting attention there but now statues, the statues of eight leading confederate figures that grace the grounds of the u.s. capitol. so let's show you some of them
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and explain what's behind it. jefferson davis of mississippi, he was president of the confederate states of america. historians blame his lack of political skill and controlling nature for not outmaneuver president lincoln. after the south surrendered in 1865, davis was arrested for treason and imprisoned for two years awaiting trial that never happened. james george known as mississippi's great commoner he was one of the signers of the ordinance of secession. in the war he spent two years in prison and taught law courses and became chief justice of the mississippi supreme court and appointed to the u.s. senate. and then there's wade hampton iii. he opposes secession and signed out of the loyalty to his state he said. after the war according to some he was a supporter of the kkd and became governor of south carolina and served two terms in the u.s. senate. and then general robert e. lee, commander of the army of northern virginia and supreme
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commander of the southern armies. the surrender in april of 1865 was a signal for the remaining southern forces to surrender, as well. and then alexander hamilton stevens vice president of the confederacy and voted against secession, he delivered the cornerstone speech rallying southerners to the defense of slavery as the natural condition of blacks and, thomas, the men statues and throughout the south also streets, buildings, structures named after people that played significant roles in the confederacy, thomas. >> you can see there is a lot of layers to this story. not just the flag. >> right. >> a lot of other things too. monuments. thanks francis. now mark morel. i want to get your reaction of a fast 24 hours of movement in south carolina, the governor and a group of bipart stan lawmakers standing up calling for the removal of the confederate flag. do you think that will happen?
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>> it's what they have done is they have struck a blow for justice. and for 21st century america and i think the breadth of the coalition of the governor's announce of lindsey graham jim clyburn and a wide range of leaders in south carolina and now today the vote in the house which was overwhelming certainly dpon demonstrates this heinous killing at the ame church in charleston has struck a chord, really really struck a chord, and i think this is as i think reverend rivers said a hallelujah day. but again, we cannot rest until the final vote is taken. >> so as we look at this and the fact that they are going to be taking up further debate the house moving forward with conversation on this after they resumed their budget talks and said all that we know that the governor's announcement is
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tectonic in terms of the shift on this issue and seen several businesses and states take action about the confederate flag. we have walmart, saers, ebay kmart not selling confederate flag products and virginia the state wants to ban the confederate flag. you see there the example of how it appears on the state license plate. do you think that there's going to be a more koins concerted effort to talk about pride than emote hate? >> noms, this is a shift in american public opinion. it is a shift i think for the good and it is to put the vestages of slavery. after all, what the confederacy was about was armed rebellion against the united states. what the confederacy was about was the defense of slavery.
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it was in the constitution of the confederate states of america. and that is what it was all about. and as we move to the 21st century, when these major corporations and i applaud the steps that they have taken, do this, they're sending a strong message that the broad consensus developing in the country is to move beyond the symbols of hate. so the confederate flag in south carolina i think this is going to spark a broader debate a greater debate. look. there are monuments to confederate, if you will generals and politicians. all throughout the south. and i expect that you're going to hear a discussion in many of those states about removing or replacing those statues. this is a different time in american history and we should not associate ourselves with hate. >> it is a tectonic shift watching with the image of the confederate flag an how it's
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going to be represented for state capitols for license plates, for businesses. mark, president and ceo of the nation you areurban league. >> thank you. dash cam video, the arrest by shelby north carolina, police. the incident report that we're learning that police pulled over a suspicious vehicle and according to police they asked roof to step out of the car. while searching the car they found a black handgun on the seat of the car under a white pillow. again, this was all because of a tip by that florist, debbie dills. she spotted the vehicle and saw the distinctive bowl hair cut of dylann roof. called her boss. her boss then called in the fact that they had spotted this vehicle. and this is what happened. police capturing dylann roof in shelby, north carolina. we are back with more after this. i want some gray...but not too much. only touch of gray uses oxygen
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involved an incident at ucla's athletic complex. the assault allegedly involved a kettlebell. one of those exercise balls with the handle. there it is. police say that no one was seriously hurt. combs' son justin plays football for ucla. combs free on bail. so far no comment from his camp about what happened. and breaking news unfolding at south carolina state house. the house just approving a measure to debate removing the confederate flag from the capitol grounds. i'm going to get reaction from a religious leader in charleston next and is this the first sign to seeing the flag go? plus the husband of the prison employee connected to the escape of two killers breaking his silence. >> are you standing by her? do you support her? >> as of right now, i don't know what to think. ♪ kraft barbecue sauce's new recipe starts with simple ingredients like sweet molasses. and now with cane sugar. all slow-simmered. so go ahead, make wings, ribs...amazing.
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fast moving developments happening in south carolina. we are getting a look at the incident report of dylann roof's arrest and in it officers say that when they pulled him over and checked the car, they found a black handgun under a pillow in the backseat. meanwhile, just within the last few moments, we have the south carolina house approving a measure to consider removing the confederate flag. so they will debate it after passing the budget. several senators voice their support in doing so including state senator paul they are man, the son of strom thurman and ran on a state's rights plank for president as a dixie-crat. >> the time is right and the ground is fertile for us to make progress as a state and to come together and to remove the confederate battle flag from the prominent statue outside the state house and put it in the museum. it is time to acknowledge our
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past atone for our sins and work towards a better future. >> joining me now from charleston is the reverend joe darby with the buford district ame. did i say that right? i'm corrected online on my pronunciation. buford. >> that's getting better. >> excellent. thank you, reverend. i appreciate that. but let's talk about what has happened so far with the fact that in the house side of things they have moved forward in the fact that they will debate the issue after they get the budget settled. do you find confidence in that that the momentum is there, moving slowly but surely? >> i think it is. i'm starting to believe we might actually get it done this time. i believe there's been such a rapid shift that it's momentous. and if it keeps up i think it might just happen. i have my fingers crossed and then sending up a few prayers. >> we spoke on the very spot
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right there in front of mother emanuel. we were together on friday and watching the overflow of people that were coming out as the arraignment of dylann roof was taking place; the compassion and forgiveness demonstrated in the victim pact statements by the families who lost loved ones at a murder scene behind you. how do you think that the will of the people of charleston around south carolina is really influencing that this measure will pass this time around? that there won't be a grand compromise like we saw in 2000. >> yeah. i think it will make a major difference. i think that the horrific act that happened and the response to it anything but horrific made a big difference. i think we'll get past the grand whatever it passed a compromise a long time ago. >> reverend, how was church this past sunday for you? >> church business good. i was at st. peters ame in
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waltersborough. we celebrated life and remembered the nine souls. >> do you think of the fact that reverend pinckney is laying in state at the capitol grounds and the potential or the mere fact that that flag is still going to be flying there most likely during that time? >> well i think it speaks for what south carolina hopefully used to be. if they take the flag down. it will be a reminder that in many ways it's said that his life, the cost of his life led to the removal of the flag after his death. i would hope that would be a part of his legacy. >> we mentioned earlier in the show certain retailers saying they're getting out of in front of this. walmart, saers, the like saying they won't sell products like this anymore. what do you make of the state legislators and francis highlighted about eight of them earlier that stand firm and don't support removing the flag? what is your message to them? >> my message to them would be
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that they need to act not out of self interest but the interest of all south carolinians. i'd appreciate it if they put it on the businesses so i know where not to shop. >> that would be interesting. yes, sir. and the reverend joe darby of beaufort district ame. >> that's it. that's it. >> look at me. i'm getting better reverend. >> doing good thomas. >> thank you, sir. >> thank you. >> i'll check in with francis with the very latest on the bing pulse question for today. and this is one that's very compelling. francis, hardly anybody saying yes. >> you have to look at the numbers and keep in mind that this number the people asking you should the confederate flag fly at government buildings. 5% dropped since we first checked in with you. it was 8% and before that at the top of the 1:00 hour at eastern time 33% and look now where it's gotten. 5% saying yes. 95% of the viewers believe no.
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when we asked them should the confederate flag fly at government buildings. look how we're looking right now. as far as people voting in realtime. pretty much overall. again, last couple of minutes, people saying no. coming the parties, we have been seeing letty much overwhelmingly you can see no republicans voting in the last minute or two. democrats spiking to yes. but you can see this. republicans again even before this time before we started to check continue to vote a strong no. but tells all, thomas when you see here and you look at these numbers and the single digits dropping at 5% yes. and an overwhelming 95% of the viewers believe no the confederate flag should not fly at government buildings. thomas? >> breaking reuters is reporting amazon is going to pull down confederate flag merchandise. >> so walmart, kmart, as well ebay. >> sears. looks like it's a trend. you can find it if you go out there and you look. you can find this merchandise.
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>> i'm sure you can. >> thanks so much. very compelling about the breakdown you have right there. still ahead for you, we are going to look at the severe weather and look at those images. tornadoes tearing through illinois homes. we bring you the latest from the hardest hit areas. an investigation into toxic fumes in airplanes. the claim being made by flight attendants. what did we find out? we'll show you still ahead.
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grounds. one of the big unanswered questions about the prison break following from upstate new york involves the woman joyce mitchell. she is that prison worker charged on two counts of supplying tools to the convicted murderers able to so easily escape. mitchell pleaded not guilty and also questions about the nature of the relationship between mitchell and the two escaped men. her husband lyle mitchell has not been charged and police say he's cooperating. but in an exclusive interview with nbc's matt lauer lyle was asked about his wife's relationship with richard matt and david sweat. >> one of the other headlines, lyle, that came out was your wife joyce had a sexual relationship with one or both of these inmates. >> absolutely not. >> did you ask her point-blank? >> she swore on her son's life never, ever had sex with him. >> larry lawton is a former career criminal turned author and motivational speaker.
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larry, it's good to have you with me. you know about how the prison system works from the inside. you tell us all on the outside what it is all about. what do you take away from this story, at least the one lyle putting out there about what joyce conveyed to him? >> well you know relationships in prison are pretty common. when i was in prison thomas, we used to cook for certain guards. we'd cook ourselves and our cells with microwaves and bowls and tell you how to boil water with two drain covers and electrical cord. i think relationships happen. i believe she had a relationship. whatever she's going to tell her husband. >> yeah, seems like lyle is out there trying to make sure people do not connect his wife to these two men in any type of sexual relationship. it seems that there was something emotional because he talks about the fact that his wife questions his love for her and that maybe there was some confusion about these guys sweet talking her. but is it that easy to be able
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to smuggle contraband into a maximum security prison as some people are alleging happened potentially through meat or through other ways? >> you know thomas it's so easy to smuggle stuff for a guard. it's really easy. we used to be able to smuggle stuff through a visiting room. that's one way inmates will do it. but the guards i mean they bring it. we had guards bring stuff right to our cells. >> really? >> yeah. they would open certain doors in the prison and let us make wine in an office. or in an elevator. it's so common. and i still will believe that she had sex with this inmate in prison an it's common. i knew many people in prison. i didn't. but i do know many people who had sex with women in prison. >> really amazing interview matt lauer had with lyle mitchell. we still wait to hear definitive definitivety from joyce mitchell mitchell. great to have you back, larry. i appreciate it. >> thanks for having me thomas.
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almost 50 million more people are under the threat of severe storms. this after 13 tornadoes reportedly touched down in 4 american states. just look at the aerial shots. some of the worst happened about 60 miles outside of chicago in coal city illinois. taking a direct hit last night. and that same weather system is pushing east taking aim at the major northeast cities of new york boston and d.c. pf. severe thunderstorm watches in effect pennsylvania to maine. we are in the bull's eye of a possible tornado threat. we're going to keep everybody posted on how the severe weather is moving through the northeast. we are back after this.
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welcome back. now to a nbc news investigation into the air quality and passenger planes. four flight attendants are suing boeing, the world's biggest plane manufacturer accusing it of knowing about a defect that allows toxic fumes to leak
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through the engines into the cabin causing serious illness. tom costello has a history of other serious complaints. >> reporter: good day to you. this is air all of us potentially breathe when we're on board an aircraft. for years, flight attendants in the u.s. and europe have complained of dangerous fumes in the cabin. now a coroner's report saying a british pilot may have died from toxic fume exposure. july 12th, 2013. alaska airlines flight 769 makes an emergency landing in chicago with four flight attendants seriously ill after complaining of nauseous chemical fumes in the cabin. two of them passed out including vanessa woods. >> the next thing i knew i was on the galley floor and the other flight attendant on the p.a. system just mumbling incoherently. >> reporter: paramedics rushed all four to the hospital. sick, disoriented and struggling to concentrate. two years later, three of them including vanessa woods say
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tremors, neurological problems and memory problems still prevent them from returning to work. now all four suing boeing accusing the plane manufacturer of exposing them and the plane's passengers to toxic fumes that seep into the ventilation system. >> i got on that flight. i was healthy. i got off the flight, and i have never been the same since. >> reporter: most modern aircraft have ventilated by bleeding outside air into the cabin. but experts say if a seal inside the engine leaks, burning oil can mix with the cabin air. the flight attendants' attorney says it happens once a day somewhere in the world and citing internal documents, the lawsuit suggests boeing has been aware of the danger for decades, including this 2007 e-mail from a boeing engineer who laments, bottom line is i think we are looking for a tombstone before anyone with any horsepower is going to take interest. >> we know that boeing has known this problem exists since the early 1950s. they've known there's a problem,
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they know there's fume events. they know that contaminants come in. >> reporter: emergency landings for fumes or smoky cabins are not unusual. but there's no good data on how many passengers might have suffered ill effects. in 2012, british airways pilot richard westgate died. he was on medical leave for 15 months after claiming he'd been poisoned by toxic cabin fumes. in april, a british coroner found symptoms consistent with exposure to organo-phosphate compounds oil additives in the aircraft cabin air. here in the u.s., the faa tells nbc news we are concerned that if certain mechanical failures occur the cabin environment may contain contaminants. the nation's largest flight attendant union estimates hundreds or thousands of crew members and passengers may have been affected over the years but nay not realize why. >> they may not realize they're sick. or that it was caused from this contaminated air. they're not properly treated for that poisonous fume it is an are
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now in their system. >> reporter: boeing is sued before and settled. it's declining to comment on today's suit but in the past studied the issue and found cabin air is safe to breathe. research has consistently shown it says that cabin air meets health and safety standards and that contaminant levels are generally low. boeing also says it's looking for ways to improve its planes and cabin air is one of the many subjects to study. the suit calls on boeing to stop use that bleed air system in new planes and put sensors in planes already flying to warn pilots if toxic fumes are leaking into the cabin. and importantly, boeing's newest plane 787 does not use the engine bleed system to ventilate the cabin. back to you. >> great job. thank you. that's going to wrap up things for tomorrow's show. i'll see you back here tomorrow. "the cycle" comes your way next.
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